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it is a free advertisement? i can't take it. >> you will never win on twitter. >> all the candidates you will show on your screen, could somebody criticize me? why do you always put them on and list them in alphabetical order? why are we fighting this? >> i don't know. i am sorry for all this. >> we are headed over to you and i will see you in an hour. now you know what we talk about during break. >> pull the curtain back. >> we are talking about shampoo and they were talking about shampoo. >> velshi has great shampoo suggestions and hair curlcurler. it is 1:00 p.m. in iowa, today beto o'rourke announced will he or won't he speculate. the congressman kicking off his campaign with a three-day swing through iowa where he pitched a message of unity.
the first event of our campaign for president is an example of not only i wish to campaign across the country but for every single american and i can careless your party persuasion or religion, anything other than the fact that we are americans. any democrats running today and i may not be able to enumerate any of them now would be far better than the occupants of the white house. it is fundamental to our chances of success that we defeat donald trump in 2020. >> the former texas congressman joins a jam packed field over a dozen of democrats for the nomination. few candidates come with the kind of buzz that propel beto o'rourke. the native was an unknown until ted cruz in 2018. he's short on legislative
accomplishments and policy positions but o'rourke has entered the race on the strength of his charismatic personality and his ability to be aspirational. is that enough? we'll see, it is not lost on the republican national committee who wasted no time criticizing beto. it is telling that the democrats' biggest star is someone whose biggest accomplishment is losing. beto o'rourke failed to get anything done in congress. his 2020 bid won't be successful either. the big question we are asking today, are democrats looking for personality or policy. and can they have both? joining me traveling with beto o'rourke in iowa, garret haake and our nbc dallas, julie fine, and also with me executive vice president and general counsel,
ron klain and the cofounder of "the beat," d.c., tiffany cross. he's coming out to a lot of fanfare and a lot of hype, that's a dangerous position to be in this early on. >> katy, you want to talk about a dangerous position, beto o'rourke, is standing in on the counter of this coffee shop right now. >> why is he only standing on the counter i garret? >> well, this is something how they run their campaign. they're trying to do this as a small board retail grass roots campaign. that's hard to do when you are one of the biggest stars in your party. while they're trying to keep this thing quiet and keep the number of iowans. the entire press core is here. people are driving from illinois and driving out of their way
who's a superstar in texas. various problems that o'rourke has, attention is not one of them. expectations are just so high. he's instantly at the top here and facing a degree of scrutiny that he did not get. the blow-out so far has been a couple of events like this and small retail stops and with big crowds. this is the kind of energy we have in texas, it will be fascinating to see if this is something we can keep up day after day for the next 600 days or so. >> i mean on the cover of "vanity fair" of a long article of who he is and his family and history and etcetera, he's compared not in a good way to jon edwardss who w who was on tr of magazine when he announced his first bid saying annie
leibovtz. julie fine, looking at policy positions and what beto has to offer beyond his force of personality which has proven to be fairly successful and to be reckoned with. here is what he has in terms of policies. we'll put it up on the screen. he wants a pathway citizenship for dreamers and universal healthcare and investing in clean energy, legalization of marijuana. pro-choice on abortion rights. these are democratic platforms so far. how much detail does he have and how much has he flesh out so far? >> this is what happened, i did the debate with him and when you ask him a direct question about policy, he answers it and he answers them in the debates and he has things on his website. the bottom line in general questions, he tends to talk about people and bringing them in and talking to them and
listening to everybody. so it will be interesting to see now when he's asked directly how in-depth and in detail he goes. if you look at what he's done so far today, it is a lot of talking to the people and getting people excited. that's something he does very well. now he'll be under more scrutiny, katy? >> ron klain, looking at the better roll out, he's being compared to obama, this idea that the democratic party wants somebody that'll inspire them the way that obama did in 2008 and there are those who say they want somebody coming out with policies and show me what you are going to do. wh when you look at beto's policy this early on, how do you see it? does it give him a leg up? >> well, katy, full disclosure, i am a biden person, if the vice president runs, i am going to be for him. be beto's roll out today is impr s
imperati imperati impressi impressive. >> they need the whole package to beat donald trump and which is of course the objective that unites all democrats in 2020. so day one is good for this campaign, i think the challenge for congressman is going to be how is day two or day four. this race is a marathon. i think that's the thing we are starting to see in this race, so many candidates, it is not to have a good first day, can you sustain it and fill in booiehin it? >> can he have a great 600 days or something like that. >> tiffany cross, what sort of voters are going to come out or targeted for his sort of candidacy in. >> katy, you said in the open that he does not have a long record. i think that may work in his favor, when you look at other runners like senator kamala
harris, and biden, they have these long records they have to defense. the challenge is he's not running against ted cruz or donald trump. he's running gaeagainst a crowd democratic field. i would caution a way from the obama comparison, i think a lot of people have had ten years of being leaned on obama's political style and charisma. beta does have these great skills that resonate. voters do vote on personality more than policies. he does have something working in his favor in that state. i caution him trying to appeal to trump voters. if somebody is still a swing voter as they say or on defense of donald trump at this point, i am not sure if those are people you can appeal to. i think it says something today that he spoke openly about police brutality. he spoke openly about the black man who was shot in his
apartment and he said this to a room full of people who were of color today in iowa. there is room for him to attract the new electorate. >> does he try to go for minority voters and voters that did not show up in 2016? >> i think he has to. as tv loves to talk about iowa and new hampshire. as the electorates change, we have to change the way we use our primaries. certainly that would make sense, i have said to you before that we have to change how we define electability and he's one of the people that helps change that. now maybe it does mean appealing to communities of color which is the rising majority of the
country, young people who don't like the way the country is going. i definitely think he has an end road there, the challenge is so do other people. you have candidate like kamala harris who resonates with people. it is a crowded field and i think his work is cut out for him. i would not count him out at this point, he's definitely a front runner. >> the big question is can he win? he did not win in texas. julie fine, you asked him that question earlier, let's listen. >> you didn't win your race in texas, what makes you think you can win nationwide? >> we did not win the race for texas but we got to be apart of something that was profoundly positive. so many more who are now running for office who are engaged and voted for the first time, we saw 500% increase in young voters turn out in texas in the 2018 cycle. so we may not have won this one election but i think we set the
stage for some wonderful things to happen in texas and by extension the rest of the country. >> julie, does he stand a chance for the rest of the country. what happened in texas and was it close and would voters come out for him in 2016 over trump candidacies, there is a lot of electoral votes in texas? >> he lost but he lost by two-points or six points. yes, he came close than other republican candidates. he feels they began something here and he can take it through the country. a lot of democrats did win because of him, he was unable to do so. i think he feels that he can take that weight and what also happens is he became nationally known because of the campaign here in texas. that should help him a lot. another thing we learn about him is that he can raise money. we are talking about well over $70 million. at the end of the day this state
did stay red. he still has some work to do here in texas. texas, 38 electoral votes, it is an important state, katy. >> what do voters want in the democratic party? is there going to be a backlash of what donald trump ran on in 2016? are they going to want somebody who has policies that's fleshed out. somebody that does have a legislative record. when i get in there, day one, here is what i am going to do and here is how i am going to do it instead of the pie in the sky aspirations. they have plans for how to try to implement them budgets or how to try to implement them and where money would come back and i am thinking of a candidate like elizabeth warren. >> look, katy, democrats want to be inspired, there is no question. we love policy. we want presidents to expand healthcare and fight climate
change. >> donald trump basically getting in and blow up democrats. that works for republicans. all these candidates have to show they have concrete plans to fight climate change, to expand healthcare and create high wage jobs and deal with our international challenges. the race is just beginning, this is not his strongest suit. as tiffany said, he has a large field and there are a lot of great candidates. i remember katy in 2016 when the race was down to sander and clinton. there was a lot of handwriting with the democrats, they have no rising star. today we have 15 people running for president already and more to come. the democrats can feel good about that. one of these people going up donald trump and one of them will beat him next year. ron klain, tiffany cross, garret
haake, julie fine. thank you very much. >> coming up, also ahead did the college scam explode a larger corrupt system and is that not only what fuels trump's rise but what could be fuelling democrats in 2020. double check your mueller report pool, we may have gotten a pretty big hint of how close he is to being done. i switched to liberty mutual, because they let me customize my insurance. and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything, like my bike, and my calves.
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prosecutor will lead this special counsel team in the near future. president trump's former campaign chairman, manafort, now the question is anyone left to prosecute. the special counsel's report will come in the near future as well. law enforcement and congressional has toll abc news that the mueller investigation is near to be released. joining me from the southern district of new york and a distinguish professor, and she's also an msnbc analyst, and that if congress gets their hands-on it. let's talk about where the mueller investigation stands. an dry weissman is lea
andrew weissman is leaving. here is how michael wolf describes him. >> you got the lebron james of money laundering investigations on you. >> what does it say about the rest of the investigation? >> well, katy, i think between this news and many other pieces that you have reported on and we have talked about, it is pretty clear that the mueller report i think will, whatever that is will be coming out in some form in the near future and that mueller's office, the special counsel's office as we now know it will probably start to break up, right? i don't think andrew weissman will be the only departure we are hearing about. he's certainly the most important one and most senior and most experienced prosecutor,
period and particularly with respect to money laundering. i think what we are seeing and going to learn more about even through the mueller report is a hand-off of certain investigations and pieces of evidence and things that need to still be tracked down. there is still too many loose ends in my opinion and many others to leave them hanging. i think those are going to regular department of justice, u.s. attorney offices who all have their own version of andrew weissma weissmann. there are investigators who are out there that's capable of handling this. >> prosecutor brandon van grack who's leading the registration act. there are some departures.
do you think we have seen the last of the indictment, was roger stone, was the last person the mueller investigation will indict or will it be a big one before we find out. i know you are guessing here, will we see something else before it is handed over to william barr? >> look, i always thought that we would see at least one more indictment for one pretty basic reason. i think back about jerome corsly. usually prosecutors don't say we want you to plea to this unless they can charge the person. while i don't think jerome is the most figure in all of this, the fact that he has not been charged leads the me to believe that he'll be and the reason they're waiting is that he'll be charged with other people. that's an educated guess and
could be wrong. i suppose mueller could hand it off to the u.s. attorney to charge. i think there will be one more round of indictments before we are totally done with the special counsel's office version of this as we know it. i think then we'll be looking at other u.s. attorney's offices to see the stone's trial now until november. >> what about the house resolution did pass overwhelmingly to see the mueller report, ultimately as the rules stand right now, william bar only what to submit a summary to congress. if this resolution gets passed in the senate as well if there is a real effort on the part of congress to get their hands-on the report, what's sort of weight will that carry in court if this is an argument that ends up going to court? >> well, i think it would carry weight because you know it will
be something passed by congress so it is legislation. but, i think there are already a lot of good economistixisting a put aside of things that could not be made public or classified information. a lot of the reasons for things who are not being made public are based on politic policies of not spearing people who are indicted and a lot of policies are not applying here. >> mimi rocah. thank you so much for joining us. what does a college cheating scandal has to do with the rise of democrats? anything? that's next. that's next.
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the college admissions scandal has enraged americans on all size of the political spectrum. critics argued that it is one example of how the wealthy use their privilege to provide for their kids. so could the backlash to this elite privilege explains why increasingly large percentage of americans feel open to democratic socialism. >> joining me editor at large, the author of "winners take all," girdhahadas. gentlemen, thank you. >> we have record the other day. he's the scholar who sat on the davos panel and looks at the billionaires, i feel like i am in a firefighter's convention
and can't pay taxes. look at what's going on with these elite people on the one hand saying i am all for social change and i am really rich and i am going to use my money for social change impact investors and behind closed doors trying to scam the system to benefit themselves. >> this is incredible because america is already quite great for rich and powerful people. if you are a rich and powerful person, it would be unkind to say this society is not quite rigged in my favor of the way we do education funding or whiteness works in america. the way any number of our systems hard or soft work favors the wealthy and powerful and the already privilege, these families who engage in the scheme came to the conclusion evidently that the tail winds of
privilege that their children already enjoy are not enough for them. they want to supplemental vitamin privilege to add -- the mechanism they use was charity. a charity who stated purpose on its website where you and i may take a face value where we came across the internet this story was to help disadvantage youth. that charity was in fact used to route this money to pay bribes to coaches. as someone that written a book about these people changing the world, using that. when i get into it with them, and when you go to the bottom of the disagreement between me and them, the core and they say you know, you don't believe in merit. you don't believe in a free market that he let the market be free or let the market rise and fall to the appropriate level. you don't believe in trusting
that. you know what we now know today, these rich people did not believe in muir reerit. the privilege that their children have won't be enough and they have to supplement it by taking the risk going to jail. >> that's what i hear over and over, from voters that they were angry the system is not working for them. they felt that people going to washington and what they're trying to do is protect the system, the system that benefits them. it works for donald trump, he obviously captured it in a different way. democrats right now, the rise of social democrats, however you want to label it. could this anger twortds toward elite. what we are seeing is could that be the same thing who ever ends up winning 2020. >> we have seen a rising criticism of elites for 10 or 20
years now because there is a series of elite failure and moving onto hurricane katrina then the financial crisis and epidemic of unarmed black men and women being killed by the police. americans have watched their television screens and seeing the elites failed us. it is unseen since world war i. americans have not seen their wages going up. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren -- that's the direction of where our politics are headed. >> during the financial crisis, all those people ended up sumping asum suffering and losing their home. so when you look at the moment we are in right now, are we in the middle of this change? is this going to be a pivot point of our politics and society? >> i have to tell you, i do
think it is. it is the end of a 40-year era and a birth of a new era that has not yet define. it may seem if you scroll through your news alert on a given day which i am more alarming than anything else. this goes way deeper than donald trump. there is an ideology that we have been fed in the country. it was essentially markets over where the action is now and markets of where changes are made now. business is how you make the world better. you see that in ronald's reag reagan's tax cut and due regulations. you s cuts welfare and those kinds of things. that consensus have been strong. it has affected every aspect of our culture. when i go to campuses, u.s.
people deciding what to do with their lives. so many of them who want to change the world and make a difference and inspired by some of the issues you just raise. what are they going to do? i am going to start an app in silicon valley to enhance justice. i am going to work for jp morgan. what i think is ending and it is not just the mueller investigation or trump splattering out. i sometimes feel like this entire pretension of rich people to be able to make things better simply by being rich and swerving into everybody's else else lanes, i feel that whole thing is crashing. it is not about retweets, this is about connection. the trump victo's victory in it way and beto o'rourke is
coordinated a cycle ago, does not have a diagnose -- >> did you think he was limited in his rise. there is a lot of attention on him and a lot of glossy magazines talking about his life history. is that going to translate or is this aspirational message, this obama orater going to be affected in 2020? >> politicians are going to propose solutions of problems people are going to face. i don't think it is about democratic socialism or any of these labels. democracy means preventing and democracy should mean taking power and wealth and making sure it belongs to everyone. i don't think that's beto o'rourke's message right now. it is a message of several other democrats. >> it is a commonality when you look at voters who may vote for
trump or others that could be labeled as social democrats. >> the commonality is a feeling which i think is absolutely correct by the way, that things are rigged against them. which was not an abstract theoretical feelings they have. it is just people looking into their lives and getting into college and getting a promotion at work and navigating their own lives. each step of the way something does not work and the people on the other side are out to maneuver you. people have that experience. some of them have been led by donald trump to say you know your hours are shifty at the office and you are not getting paid off. if you are willing to fall for that, you are willing to fall for that. what's actually blooming now and whether the democratic socialists or capitalists like
elizabeth warren, there is a growing recognition that the way to push back against the political democratic take over america is punch backup to the democrats. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for coming around. we'll have this conversation a lot in the next year and a half, i hope at least. the senate is voting finini repute president trump's following the war in yemen and a handful of republicans are expected to join democrats to vote against the emergency declaration to build his wall. that would bring the resolution to the president's desk where he promised to veto it. >> i don't know what the vote will be. i will probably will have to veto it. it is not going to be overturned and the legal scholars all say it is totally constitutional. >> at least one republicans
appear to listen to the president, thom tillis seems to be in favor of it announced he'll be voting against it. >> this president is prepared to transfer power back to the article one branch by his statements publicly or through his administration is extraordinary. we have republicans down the street willing to move it through the regular order, is extraordinary. i will be voting against this and i encourage my colleagues to do the same. >> that's the change for senator tillis. >> joining me now is kelly o'donell and our peter baker, kelly, it sounds like the president making these phone calls have been affected for some republicans who are willing to listen. thom tillis was adamantly against this the last i checked. >> it is not one of the reasons he gave, tillis is from north
carolina. he'll host the republican national convention in 2020 where president trump will be incumbent president trying to win reelection and central issue is border security, border wall, however you would frame it. so to have one of the home state senators opposing it, would be harmful to the president. a couple of new bits of information, the votes as i am told that are still opened, votes could change. some additional votes oppose the president and in support of the president coming from marco rubio and roy blunt and let me just check -- roger wicker. that's important because now we would be on a loose count here backup to 12 republican senators. that's more than a handful now. i need more than my ten fingers
to count. that's significant. he's from missouri. that's notable. roger wicker who has been the leader of the republican senatorial campaign. marco rubio from a state that has a lot of immigration issues, florida, one of the most vocal people and paying a big political price for his own running for president for his work on comprehensive immigration reform from years ago. so, this is a notable repute of the president on this issue. these are senators who say they support the president on the wall by and large and they believe in strong border security but they don't like the president using this executive authority in this way when congress expressedly said they don't want to fund it for these purposes. it is an interesting development today with tillis changing his
mind and some of these sort of on defense senators who we were not sure would be voting against the president. >> there is a lot of concerns at least earlier from republicans of the precedent that it would send for the next president. will they be able to fight back effectively if they wanted to if that happens after allowing president trump to do this. here are the republicans, peter. we have been keeping an eye on, tillis was one of them. we now know where he stands. susan collinss and rand paul and romney and pat toomey and jerry moran and rob portman. what has it been at the white house? >> you saw the president saying
it does not matter and he'll vee ve ve veto. the president didn't want to be embarrassed here having the house and the senate going against him on this. he wants to divide the two and having them not coming to his desk to veto. in the end, it will matter because there won't be enough vote to over ride the veet tto. but, you know you can imagine the opponents will go to court and say look not only congress refused to authorize the money that he is choosing to spend here in direct of his will. congress voted to say they don't approve of the way he's going about this. this will be an argument that you will hear made in court as this fight continues. >> peter, you have covered four presidents now, have you seen
anything like this? >> well, at a time when a president's own party stands against him on an important issue, yes. this is a fundamental issue. this is not about the border. these 12 republicans are for him on that policy question. it is about the constitutional checks and balances. the congress specifically says it is up to the congress to decide how to spend money and the president is in charge of following the decisions of congress and not over riding the decision of congress by declaring a national emergency. the president's right that many presidents have declared nags na declared national emergency but never once to counter demand. >> what they have been doing over the past few years and doing specifically with this president and you can argue this for obama as well is handing
over their congressional authority and the power of that branch of government to the executives, maybe the executives are the ones that made autotll decisions. that's part of the concern that they were supposed to be the equal branch of government and they had not been equal branch of government and that had been forgotten or willingly let go in recent history when all votes seemed to be along party lines, kelly or peter? >> i would say you are exactly right. all four of these presidents have some point tried to push the envelope at their power when they did not get what they wanted with congress. you saw it clinton and obama. >> this is where congress is beginning to push back. >> we'll wait and see what happens. we are waiting for the final vote tally, that has not come
inui inu in yet. a significant moment in history watching as congress does try to hold onto some of its power as an equal branch of government. peter baker, thank you for joining us, kelly o'donell, thank you as well. breaking news out of london, parliament voted to delay brexit. they voted to postpone the deadline for at least three months. we'll go live to the u.k. and ask how do you say bloody catastrophe with a british accent? next. may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms.
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in the neighborhood. british lawmakers voted to ask the e.u. to postpone brexit. the other 27 members of the e.u. will have to approve my change in the timeline. as the new york times puts it, the big question is what sort of delay would be granted. joining me now from london, bill neely, bill, you don't have a british accent, how do you say bloody catastrophe with a
british accent, what's going? >> reporter: i would say bloody catastrophe and many people in this country would agree, it is a fiasco and a mess. a little bit of a break through the last half hour, brexit is cancelled by 210 votes. they voted for a delay and as it is meant to happen on march 29 oert. you know the irony of all this,
again. >> what happens ultimately though if the uk cannot come up with a c deal that the eu will agree to and does end up crashing out of the european union. >> it would be an economic disaster of all monumental proportions. katie, this is the biggest political crisis in britain for -- choose your time. certainly a lot of people are saying in the last 100 years that thers economic consequence would be very serious. as you say donald trump, the day after brexit was in scotland and todaynd he made significant comments and once again stuck the boot into theresa may saying, you know, i told her how to negotiate this and she simply didn't listen.
he said i'm surprised how badly it's d gone.'s she didn't listen to my ideas and talked about the extension and said e it will have to be extended because they're not going to be able to do it by the end of the month. he said he didn't think a second referendum would be possible because it wouldum be unfair to the people who won. tonight parliament rejected the idea of a second national referendum for now. it is still one of the options o ahead, a general election, a nationalio election, another of thosect options. we're still in an extraordinary week, katie. they've rejected no deal. they rejected theresa may's deal. they haven't come up with any idea of their own. no path forward. >> the eu has the uk over a barrel. what incentive do they have to work with theresa may or anybody
that runs the parliament if that ends up changing to make a better deal for the uk that's out r there, to allow even a delay? >> i mean, they're bewildered. they're angry.e that's just britain's friends in europe. they havefr signalled that we ge you a second chance a few days ago. there will be no third chance. as far as they're concerned they made a deal with the uk. the uk has rejected it. they are however open. they said it h today to the ide of an t extension. in fact they would actually like as long an extension as possible because they can see the dead lock here. votes in the he house of commons are not going toot break this dead lock in th next few days. i heard someone from germany suggesting a delay of two, three, four years. i don't think that's likely.
i think europe sees that britain is in a mess. they certainly don't want britain to crash out of the european union. the germans said economically that would be a disaster fors e whole of europe, not just for britain. a lot of people in europe want britain to come up with solid ideas, with something to try to break this fiasco. >> bloody catastrophe. the f senate voted for a resolution for the president to terminate the national emergency. the vote was 59-41. a dozen republican senators voted with s democrats. the resolution will head to the president's desk where he already said he'll veto it. we'll be right back. let's take a look at some numbers:
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city. police arrived to find paul castellano on the pavement dead. back then he was considered the biggest mafio boss. this mob boss was shot dead on a street near times square. for the past 35 years his murder was considered the last major mob hit in america. that changed last night when police were called to a home on staten island. they found frank cali shot multiple times. he died at the hospital. since 2015 cali known as frankie boy was considered the current boss of the gambino crime
family. he's related through marriage to the infamous inzirillo family. his only mob-related conviction was a decade ago tied to a conspiracy to get a nascar track on staten island. history has repeated itself. another gambino boss whacked. by who? who knows? witnesses claim the gunman sped off in a blue pick-up truck. that's all for me this hour. ali veshi, wow. >> i saw it last night. you don't see stories like that anymore. that was an interesting story. thank you, katie. >> very interesting ali 3:00 p.m. >> have a good afternoon. >> you too. >> it's not going to be overturned that's what the
president said about his national emergency declaration. last hour senators within his own party helped pass a vote in favor of a resolution to block his hand. the list of gop senators grew rapidly. the president pledged to veto this resolution. he's consistently disagreed about his power to do it. >> the legal scholars all say it's totally constitutional. it's very important. it's really a border security vote. it's pure and simple. it's a vote for border security. the vote today whether positive or not i'm vetoing it. i'll do a veto. it won't be overturned. we have done a great job at the border through apprehension. >> the vote isn't about border ri