tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC March 14, 2019 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
let's not help donald trump fan his imaginary flames. that's tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight, two of robert mueller's top staffers depart signaling the potential end phase of the russia investigation while across town, in a congress that can't agree on anything, unanimous support in the house, 420-0 to publicly release mueller's findings. plus, a dozen republican senators break ranks and vote against trump's border wall national emergency. his response is to promise his first veto. and he ran and lost for senate and now he's running for president. a glossy magazine campaign rollout for a congressman that excites the left and has the
right in attack mode starting today as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a thursday night. day 784 of the trump administration, and there are brand-new signs that we may indeed be witnessing the end stage of robert mueller's investigation into russian interference in our presidential election and please note here, when covering an entity that does not leak, we are forced to watch for other things like personnel moves and for starters one of mueller's top prosecutors andrew weissmann plans to leave the team. the news came from the special council's office itself, which sent out this statement today and we quote. andrew weissmann will be concluding his detail to the special counsel's office in the near future. he was the architect of the case against trump campaign chairman paul manafort, who's been sentenced to prison for almost 7 1/2 years. you may recall
last month, weissmann said his lies about it go to the larger view of what we think is going on. and what we think the motive here is, this goes to the heart of what the special counsel's office is investigating, that meeting and what happened to that meeting is of special significance to the special counsel. weissmann has been at the sen of other high-profile cases including but not limited to the prosecution of the gambino family and enron. he was the fbi general counsel when mueller led the bureau. in the book "fire and fury" michael wolff writes that steve bannon describes weissmann as, quote, the lebron james of money laundering investigations. mueller's attackers have often trained their sites on
weissmann. trump went after him on twitter, citing andrew weissmann's horrible and vicious prosecutorial past and his larger role in the mueller inquiry. >> why would robert mueller hire a guy like andrew weissmann with that atrocious track record. why was he appointed? the answer is, it was a fishing expedition and it was an effort to get trump from the beginning. the plan for paul manafort, meanwhile, is to ensure he dies behind bars. andrew weissmann is working hard to make sure that happens. >> what the special counsel has done, he has chosen his jack the ripper like leader andrew wi wiseman -- weissmann to use the type of tactics that are properly reserved for mafia gangs for terrorists. >> i've called mr. weissman the poster boy for prosecutorial misconduct. >> you get the drift.
there's another telling personnel shift, mueller's top fbi investigator david archie has also left to become the agent in charge of the richmond field office. a top counterintelligence official archey had been the senior fbi agent assigned to mueller's team. and, quote, multiple law enforcement officials tell nbc news that mueller has farmed out cases not directly related to russia, to other justice department offices. today we learned that the case against roger stone will go to trial november 5 of this year. the judge also declined to change stone's gag order wording for now. former trump national security adviser michael flynn's sentencing has been delayed until mid-yuen. his lawyers say in the meantime, he plans to cooperate with prosecutors on a different case. ex-trump campaign official rick gates may well find out about his sentencing tomorrow.
if he's not given a sentencing date, that will likely mean he is still worthwhile and cooperating with mueller. amid the movement at the special counsel's office and the outstanding cases, congress is now suddenly taking an increased interest in the pending report on the investigation. today republicans joined democrats in the house to pass a nonbinding resolution to make mueller's full report public. this passed with a vote of 420-0. with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel on a thursday night. mimi roka, now a distinguished fellow in criminal justice at the pace university school of law. kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, and also with us tonight, eric tucker, justice department reporter with the associated press. mimi, to start with you, you and i have alternately doubted some of the reporting that's come out and been rather dire.
mueller's going to be done by tuesday. mueller's going to be done a week from -- this, however, as i mentioned in a case with no leaks where we have boxes to watch coming out the front door, where we have attorneys departing, fbi agents departing, does that suffice for you as good an indicator as any? >> i would call it strong circumstantial evidence. >> okay, being a lawyer. >> right. someone comes in, it's raining. you can tell it's raining because they're wet. this is circumstantial evidence that something is happening. the question still is, what is that something? i think the special counsel office as we know -- have known it for the past two years, it seems like that is going to dissolve. right? the personnel that has made up that office, those people are going to go on to other things, as well they should. i mean, i just want to take a moment here to say they've been attacked ruthlessly by
trump and his allies, many of them left their families for two years, have worked probably 80 to 100-hour weeks around the clock in something that they felt was a service to their country like bob mueller, but the people who are under him doing the work i think won't get any of the credit and are getting a lot of the attack. in many ways they should be thanked for what they've done, not attacked. that said, i don't think this means the end of the investigations, though. or the prosecutions, certainly. i mean, we know now that roger stone is going to trial in november. that's a prosecution. it's going to continue. prosecutors are going to do that. there's a saying in the department of justice and all the different prosecutor officer r offices, prosecutors are fungible. the government is always ready. while andrew w weissmann is a stellar prosecutor, there are
many andrew weissmanns, there are many wonderful prosecutors throughout the department of justice and fbi agents who will take up whatever bob mueller is handing off to them, and this is not the end of the story as to the investigations. but it may be the end of this unit investigating. >> is the right way to put it that the home office may be shutting down, but this work has been sent out to regional district offices? >> i think that's a great analogy, and that's a good thing. we have a strong department of justice that has handled complex, important cases for decades in all different offices, and i think seeing it sort of go out that way and state prosecutors stepping in as well, that's not a bad thing. and i understand why mueller, who is a creature of that department of justice, would want it to go to the regular channels at some point. and it seems like we're nearing that point. >> so, eric, that's the view from a former fed, and i want to you see another
former fed who is of counsel to us. this is frank figluzzi earlier on this network, and as we listen to him, remember, he was running counterintelligence for a time for the bureau. >> i'm even more intrigued by the departure of david archey, because he's the counterintelligence lead here. that's the seminal russia question mueller was trying to answer. we should expect to report, it isn't so dramatic, but one that rolls out and spins cases everywhere. it diffuses targets for trump to aim at. >> do you concur based on your reporting, when are we going to find all of them? >> i think what is clear at this point is that much of the investigative work, including the central quote/unquote collusion question probably is complete. i think the question becomes, what bob mueller does with that information, how long it takes
to produce some sort of report about that. >> and, kim, today's house vote, you normally can't get a vote 420-0 to agree that today is thursday. what does this vote say about republicans and democrats about a feeling of urgency and perhaps about robert mueller himself? >> yeah, it's really extraordinary. obviously for democrats this is a statement that they want to make, they want to send a very strong message to the department of justice and attorney general barr that this report needs to be made public. and the american people ought to see it. i think the republicans at least some of them may have a different motivation, they want to get it out and make it be public so they can possibly discredit, especially those that are close allies with the president. but it was an extraordinary moment of unanimity heading into the final stages, what we think
based on the tea leaves are the final stages of this investigation, knowing it will end up in a report, and there will probably be a push by the white house not to let it see the light of day. >> hey, eric, back over to you. give us a preview tomorrow with rick gates. what could happen here? >> like you mentioned earlier, the central question is going to be whether he's ready for sentencing. we saw earlier this week michael flynn does not yet want to be sentenced because he says i still have additional corporation i want to offer. rick gates has been cooperating for a really, really long time, both with mueller an prosecutors in new york, so the central question really is, has he completed his cooperation to his own satisfaction and to the government's satisfaction? >> and, mimi, this goes back to your point. let's say this time tomorrow night we're reporting that gates has been continued, because his work continues. what you're saying is, you don't need the core office for that you need individual prosecutors to pursue that, correct? >> right, you need an office to
pursue it, so gates could conceivably be turned over as a cooperator to another u.s. attorneys office who is making use of his information. if he's useful in the inauguration investigation, for example, the southern district might take over his cooperation. once you're within the department of justice, those things happen actually quite frequently where different offices work together and share information, and even hand over cooperators. i think, though, that it doesn't mean that we're not going to hear more from mueller, i think there are probably one more round of indictments to go, i do not believe that jerome koerscy would have been given a plea agreement and information and left to walk the streets free forever. i don't think that mueller buffs. if he did that, he was able to charge him.
could he hand him off to someone else to charge him? yes. it could be that he's waiting to charge koerscy 00 along with other people. he's not important in the grand scheme of things, it's an example of something that's hanging out there unfinished and i think will be finished in indictments and i think we haven't seen all the fruits of all the cooperators, including gates, including flynn. we know flynn met for a number of hours -- a very large number of hours with them. and we haven't seen the fruits of that yet. i think we will some of it through mueller but we may have to wait longer and see some of it through other prosecutions, through other offices. >> and you're not getting out of here that easy. do you think this last round if there is to be one could include some big names? >> i do. i have always thought there seemed even in public reporting almost enough to charge don jr. in some kind of conspiracy. that's a big one to hand off to someone. if he is going to be charged, if there is more evidence than what
we know because i think what we know is right on the cusp, if mueller has more evidence than that that can put it over the edge, i think he would charge it and then hand it off to someone, not let someone else charge it. >> hey, kim, the democrats in the house certainly have become all about investigations. as you cover the place, and as you learn what you learn, is there anything, any committee perhaps that we are not focusing on, that we should be focused on as this week gives way to next? >> i think we should be focused on all of them. i think one thing i'm looking at certainly is ways and means. the decision that the chairman there, richard neal, will make about whether and when he will pursue president trump's tax returns, that will probably lead to a protracted legal fight. but it certainly will cause this white house to push back. i think the investigations, the
committees that we've already been watching, i mean it's the oversite committee and the appearance of michael cohen that led to a flood of action out of new york state investigating donald trump and his businesses and his dealings with banks and insurance companies. i think this will continue to spin off in that way as house investigators continue to look really closely at every aspect of donald trump's white house and his businesses. >> terrific conversation tonight. to mimi, kimberly and eric, thank you, all of you, for joining our broadcast this evening. and coming up, a big defeat for the president today delivered by senators from his own party. and then later, after much speculation, a young man from texas is officially doing what he says he was born to do. we have another story to tell you about, breaking news coming in from new zealand. news of a mass shooting there. as we nail that story down, we'll bring it to you, all of it
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as we mentioned before the break, let's record keep on some breaking news tonight that's coming in to us from the other side of the world. this is from police in new zealand. they are responding to two different shooting locations, both believed to be at mosques in central christchurch, new zealand. reports of fatalities, reports of one individual down and in custody. multiple fatalities, in fact, again. two mosques are being listed as the locations by the commissioner of police in new zealand.
for us, our long time nbc news correspondent sarah james is on the phone for us from melbourne, australia. what can you add to this report now? >> reporter: what we understand is that the police are still investigating the situation, it's still very much an active situation, brian. we also know that there are reports of potentially multiple casualties. the hospital which is not very far from the site of one of these mosques is in lockdown, and that is where some of those who were injured are being treated as we speak now. probably one of the most disturbing features of these attacks is that it seems that some of them have been posted to social media. so, that's a particularly disturbing aspect to these crimes. the police, as i said, are investigating at this moment and trying to find out exactly who
is responsible and if there was more than one person or if there is just one person who's involved. the reports from the witnesses and those who were in the mosque at the time are really quite shocking. descriptions of a quiet service and just a peaceful setting, suddenly disrupted with the sound of gunfire. police and emergency services responded very quickly. this is in the center of a very beautiful town, as you know, and it's just a situation that is ongoing now. >> sara james, our thanks, thanks for getting in touch with us and adding what we already know about this to your reporting. again, a massive shooting is in the news from the other side of the world. mass casualty event perhaps. one suspect down and in custody. but there's a whole lot we don't know. two mosques apparently targeted.
you heard sara's reporting that it was posted on social media. if we learn substantially more, we'll update you in this hour, and obviously as night gives way to day in this country. come tomorrow morning, we will probably learn many more details about this. but our thanks to sara james. back to our domestic politics today, senators from his own party, as we mentioned. voted to defeat the president's signature campaign issue as the president was today handed a major political blow with the u.s. senate voting to block his self-declared national emergency to fund the border wall. a dozen republican senators defected, they crossed over and voted in favor of the resolution. but in this case, a yes vote mechts no to his emergency declaration. those 12 included both
republican senators from utah. it's the first time congress has ever voted to block a presidential emergency declaration. and it likely means another first for president trump. earlier today he said, quote, i look forward to vetoing the just passed democrat inspired resolution which would open borders while increasing crime, drugs and trafficking in our country. minutes before trump had said veto in all capital letters. he has never issued a veto before in his presidency. "the new york times" reporting the president had been lobbying hard for gop support for his national emergency, quote, in a volley of phone calls with senate republicans over the past few weeks, the president warned of the electoral consequences of defying him and dismissed concerns about the constitutional precedent of his order. during a meeting on trade wednesday afternoon, mr. trump tried to cajole a handful of members to vote his way emphasizing that a vote against
border security would be noticed by his party's base. we have two terrific journalists with us tonight who cover this beat for a living, tal kopan returns to our broadcast. washington correspondent for "the san francisco chronicle." we also welcome to our broadcast, melanie zanona, congressional reporter for politico. welcome to you both. tal, to begin with you, what does this vote say about the president, about the republicans in that body and potentially about future votes? >> well, there's no way to spin that it's quite a stunning rebuke of the president. to issue a veto during a presidency is relatively normal. presidents do it from time to time. but what's fascinating about this one is it comes as the president's own party controls one of the chambers of congress. and so to have 12 republicans, you know, this is not a veto-proof majority.
the president still can sustain a veto over it, but to have that many republicans signal this, it definitely shows that the president may not be able to exert his will over the direction of the votes in the senate every time he wants to. and it's a pretty resounding message from congress that they do not like the way the president is trying to divert funds using this national emergency power. >> hey, melanie, by way of welcoming you to the broadcast, please tell us about thom tillis. north carolina republican. he's up next time around. february 25th he comes out and publicly that he's going to break ranks, that he has to vote against the national emergency, fast forward to today, not so much, he voted the president's way, what's his underpinning, what's his reasoning? >> it's simple. he caved to the pressure, he had come out in an op-ed and said, i'm going to vote with the resolution and vote against the president, and he got a lot of conservative backlash. of course, he's up for
re-election in 2020, so this was going to be a difficult vote for him either way. if he voted against the president, he was going to be vulnerable to primary challenges and face criticism from the right, but now that he flip-flopped his position and did vote against the resolution and voted in favor of the president, he's going to be facing challenges in the general election from democrats who are going to say he's unprincipled. he doesn't stand up for what he believes in and he's hypocritical. i think he was going to be facing a tough vote either way here. but he made it even worse for himself by reversing his position. >> tal, i got one for you, "denver post" publicly regretting their support for cory gardner who went with the president after all. these votes are remembered in very up and down, black and white terms. were you with trump or did you go against him? and i guess "the denver post" wants to call this to viewers, to readers' attention. >> melanie was talking about thom tillis.
you're sort of in a rock and a hard place. if you're talking about primary voters, breaking from the president can be a really difficult thing to sell. in the general, however, spinning this is going to be more difficult if you stuck with the president. so it's sort of a rock and a hard place. if you look at cory gardner from colorado, he may be at the top of democrats' target list in 2020. that's a state that's been trending democratic. there was a congressman michael phelps kauffm-- mike con who in many ways broke with the president over and over, and was a moderate on many issues in the house, who lost a seat in the midterms in 2018. that's a terrible sign for cory gardner already coming into this cycle. to now have the paper rescind an endorsement in such stark terms, it's not great wins to go into going into this race. >> the other way of looking at this is for the republicans who did jump, who stood up and went against the president, it does give air cover sometimes to
those who are something short of a profile in courage and may need it for next time. >> that's exactly right. i think when you look at these defections too, it's interesting, you see someone like susan collins of maine, who has really carved out an independent lean for herself. she's stood up to the president on issues before. you see someone like lamar alexander who is retiring and no longer has to fear the backlash going against the president, but what's interesting is that these votes, these defections came from all corners of the caucus. you saw the conservatives, the institutionalists like rand paul and more moderates like murkowski and collins. the opposition was widespread here, and it was interesting to see a dozen defections especially after the white house campaigned so hard to keep those defections down. i think that makes it more embarrassing for the president. >> you're right. we shouldn't lose sight of the larger story here. to melanie and tal, thank you so much for coming on the broadcast.
much pain for so many of our fellow americans cannot be allowed to continue another four years in office. >> today he made it official, beto o'rourke, the democrat from texas who nearly upset ted cruz is running for president. while his announcement had been expected, it's also true, he told us not too long ago, there was no way he was going to run. >> what are your thoughts on running for president? >> i don't want to do it, i will not do it. amy and i are raising an 11-year-old, a 10-year-old and a 7-year-old. >> that was in november. now it's march, and now he's the 13th democrat in this race being called a glossy rollout as rollouts go. there was the cover of "vanity fair's" april issue with the accompanying caption i'm just born to be in it. o'rourke hit the trail hard today in iowa. visiting no less than four towns, kicking off his three-day
tour in the state and according to his own post online so far his team has raised money from all 50 states, but no details on how much yet. with us tonight to talk about it, a national political reporter for "the washington post," and we welcome to the broadcast, a political writer for "the dallas morning news." gromer, you get to go first and explain to viewers who may not have been following this guy, what's the deal with this guy, and what's the appeal of this guy? >> well, brian, you pointed it out beautifully, five months ago, i remember being with him as he was coaxing last-minute voters to the polls, now he's running for president. had a little depression in between, maybe listened to some b.b. king and got over it. he has star power, and his appeal is his positive
inspirational message. i'm alyssa rehberger. new zealand two morphs were attacked by a gunman. three men and one woman are in custody. let's go live to the prime minister who is giving an update. >> these may be additional questions you could put to the commissioner of police. >> asking -- >> obviously, absolutely. again, as i say i've given you the advice given to me about watch lists but obviously these are absolutely questions that will be asked and including -- >> what is your -- what is the advice to people out there who still are worried? >> at this stage i'm certainly asking people to follow the advice of the police. there have been three individuals apprehended, however
police aren't taking for granted there may be others that may need to be brought into custody. they haven't ruled it out so please in the meantime, continue to listen to police advice. i also want to give assurance. the police are bringing in additional police officers, the defense force are bringing them down so just listen to the visa valuable to you but we are ensuring the security of those moving around in christ church at this time. >> you say this one principal had two associates. >> yes. they're not directly connected to the attack. >> are all the arrests -- >> that is my understanding? >> can you tell us why they've been arrested. >> in connect to the techs or the individual that wasn't a question for the commissioner. i'm not sure it's something i
could share. not a threat to the public. >> the relationship that those arrested have to one another did they share the same ideology or what is their -- >> that is the assumption i would make at this stage. we've seen from one of the offenders they have publicized their ideology. i would think the others ascribed to the same ideology -- >> what's your plan to -- >> i'm not in a position to give away additional details. >> anything else about ieds, what they were and -- >> at this point it's an opportunity to acknowledge the work that the police are doing. the apprehending of of a suspect and an extremely volatile situation really putting themselves at risk on our
behalves and i want to acknowledge that and particularly disarming the explosives that were as i understand it attached to the suspect's cars, there were two of them. they have been disarmed now. it gives us an indication there was a degree of planning. i can't speculate what intention was but was it was attached to the suspects' vehicle. yes. >> -- anybody who in the media -- >> my message would be, you know, we should not be perpetuating, sharing, giving any oxygen to this act of violence and the message that's set behind it. we should awe be condemning what has happened here today and the
peaceful nation of new zealand and what all of us can at least do and sure we do not share, spread or actively engage in that message of hate. we have been given assurance that online at least those platforms where some of those images have been shared are actively being removed but i ask people, don't share them. >> sorry, can we still call ourselves a peaceful nation. >> yes, this is not who we are. this act is not a reflection of what we are as a nation. that is why so many new zealanders, every new zealander will be shocked by this because this isn't who we are. this is something that we, all of us, will utterly reject and, of course, it will take time to heal and our thoughts and prayers are with those affected
but i'm sure all of us want to retrain the identity we have as a nation because that's why those who live here live here. >> as prime minister of this what are you -- >> our agencies always need to be prepared and need to be vigilant and ensure if we have an act like this on our shores, that we respond quickly to give assurances to the public that we can protect them and that we are always prepared. are we personally prepared to happen, an event like this is always a shock but our agencies were ready. >> a text, a follow-up text s. that a -- >> we must always be vigilant. we removed the threat from low to high so we can continue to give assurance around the safety
and heightened our response from our agencies at the border, at the airport and, in fact, at every level we have a heightened response and, again, that's so we can give that assurance of safety to the public. certainly as i say, of course, events like this, we always have preparations in place and, of course, we'll always be working to ensure we've adequately responded. i'm keen to travel as soon as i can but taking advice from the police around when i can do that in such a way that doesn't interfere with the operational work. my hope is that the very latest that i'll be down there tomorrow. >> are there world lead that's have contacted you? >> look, some of that may have come directly to the ministry of foreign affairs and trade but certainly from australia at this stage. often messages are conveyed via
social media as well and i'm sure everyone would offer their assistance. >> at the hospital, whether there were any shots fired -- >> no, i haven't had any information about that at all, no. >> there was an ied found on an individual? >> ki not confirm that. feel free to put that to the commissioner. >> presumably you'll have more meetings with our intelligence agencies to find out just was amiss. when do you meet with them again. >> look, i expect i'm likely to reconvene with them again this evening. you'll appreciate, barry, that at the moment our immediate response is on ensuring the safety of those in christchurch and ensuring that the police have everything they need from
an operational perspective to secure the areas and be assured that everyone who should be in custody is acknowledging that they have moved extremely quickly to have those individuals in custody and we will continue to look at the details around the suspects and every element of this attack but tonight it's about securing the safety of others. >> can you please clarify how many gunmen or gunwoman there were. >> three have been arrested. we have no reason to suspect at this stage there were others but we haven't ruled that out at this stage [ inaudible question ] >> certainly all three i connected. >> will you be giving any additional security -- >> look, at this stage i'm one of the members of parliament that has a security detail with me. obviously the moment that we
were informed of this situation, there was a slightly heightened presence, but i expect that soon that will probably resume back to my normal presence. >> just from the previous question -- [ inaudible question ] >> separate offenders, look, i can't give specifics around who was directly involved at each mosque. and nor am i sure at this stage that detail we're sharing. do feel free to put it to the commissioner. >> you went over there before but police didn't have these people under active investigation or -- >> that is my understanding. [ inaudible question ] >> sorry. [ inaudible question ] >> at this stage advice was give
ton those who wish to worship at their local mosque that for the time being they're being asked to just not to congregate there but in time my hope would be that the outpouring of compassion and support that i know new zealanders will want to show, show it to them. show it to the members of the community who worship safely and were the victims of this attack. i know new zealanders want to do that. [ inaudible question ] >> my understanding it is a relatively short period of time. since last entry into new zealand. again, i don't want to get into too many details around that because that's still a moving picture. [ inaudible question ] >> what i'll say is they weren't on a watch list, again, i'm cautious around how much more i
say given that we have individuals in custody and i don't want to jeopardize the case but that may be detailed that the commissioner may be willing to share. all right. everyone, look, i'll look to reconvene and give you any additional insights i can tomorrow. we'll be keeping everyone updated. my plan is to get to christchurch as early as i can and as soon as the police have me do so. >> do you know if it's connected in any way -- >> i can't confirm that. we'll make sure the commissioner is able to give you information as soon as possible. thank you, everyone. >> prime minister jacinda ardern. >> that was the new zealand prime minister jacinda ardern updating an incident in chri christchurch.
many were injured. four people in custody. we're told three men and a woman. one of the suspects is named brenton tarent and we're told he wrote a 74-page anti-immigration manifesto. we just found out that none of these people who are in custody were on any kind of a terror watch list. there was any kind of warning. two mosques in christchurch, new seal land, were attacked. we're told it happened during friday prayers. that is significant because that is when the mosques are most crowded. to give you an idea we're told 500 people were inside one of those two mosques. no word on how many people were in the other. you can see on your tv set right now, this is what it looked like at the area hospital where
ambulance after ambulance after ambulance were carrying victims and you will also see what looked to be concerned friends and family members rushing into the hospital to check on their loved ones. much of christchurch was under lockdown for much of the day. children were kept in schools, people were told to stay put inside wherever they were and lock themselves in. parents were separated from their children for many hours and it is very much ongoing. they didn't know at first whether there was one shooter or several. now there are four people in custody. but as the situation developed, police found explosive devices we now know were attached to the suspects' cars. it took some time for them to defuse those exclusive devices and do believe at this point they got them all. but, again, that was prime minister jacinda ardern.
lamenting on the fact these were people who were worshiping in peace and that they had every right to do so. and speaking out vigorously against an act of terrorism that new zealand as she admits is just not used to. they have never seen anything like this before and says this is the darkest moment in their country's history. now back to "the 11th hour" with brian williams. beto o'rourke conducts an orchestra with his hands while he speaks. he has a specific speaking style. he's highly caffeinated and highly energetic guy, and, look, if that what it takes to get people to recognize who he is, i suppose the o'rourke people would be perfectly happy with that, and if that's the worst that donald trump can bring against him on day one, they would be pretty happy with him too. >> as you heard from garrett
haake today, not just because he declared for president, but because of how he declares just about anything. more to the point, his endless and to be fair overwrought hand gestures. a new revelation to those who are just now dialing in, and because of events like this one in iowa this morning where he and his hands spoke to a crowd of the faithful. >> i'm running to serve you as president of the united states of america. thank you. >> so here's what garrett haake was referencing earlier, trump was asked today what he made of beto o'rourke's entry into this race. >> what is your reaction to beto o'rourke's announcement today, mr. president? >> well, i think he's got a lot of hand movement. i've never seen so much hand movement. i said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? so i've never seen hand movement. i watched him a little while this morning doing i assume
some kind of a news conference, and i've actually never seen anything quite like it. study it. i'm sure you'll agree. >> and since those comments, it's been more than noted today that this president has his own vast collection of hand gestures. >> look at those hands. are they small hands? and he referred to my hands, if they're small, something else must be small. i guarantee you there's no problem. i guarantee it. all right. >> oh, he has small hands. i do? look, i said, i do? >> this is fake news put out by the media. i don't mind bad stories when it's true. can you imagine, seriously. >> where do these people come from? where do they come from? >> i love to negotiate things. i do it really well and all that stuff. >> we're going to build a big beautiful wall. a big beautiful wall. [ chanting "build the wall" ]
>> i will do this, and i will do that. >> now somebody from the conservative movement. >> he is like a little baby. >> and he's soaking wet. >> you know, he holds up his bible and then he lies. let me tell you, that guy lies. he is a liar. >> oh, i wish. i wish. >> i honestly think it's a good idea both ways. [ speaking a foreign language ] >> i would have, boom. >> any guy that can do a body slam, he's my kind of -- >> do that, do that and then gives grades of "f," fail, "f," fail, "f," "f," "f." >> i don't know if you saw the other day, we have little boats going out. >> bing, bing, bing. bing, bing, bing. >> bing, bing. >> bing, bong. >> huh. >> bing, bong and dat. >> bing, bing. >> bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. you know what that is, right? >> they're going to say, oh,
man, this guy's frickin crazy. we give up. we give up. oh. we give up. >> the verbal and manual stylings of our president say nothing of his newest challenger on the democratic side. another break for us. and coming up, how is it that a bright red state produced a man of deep blue politics who left a big imprint on the last half century of american life?
last thing before we go tonight is the death of a legislative giant of the last century. birch bayh was a liberal democrat from the conservative state of louisiana. he rose through a farming family, u.s. army and then eventually law school. years later after three terms in the u.s. senate, he was taken down by the conservative reagan wave of 1980. beaten by a young upstart named dan quayle. but while birch bayh was in the senate, starting with his arrival in 1963, he left a mark.
he was the author of title ix, the landmark federal legislation that outlawed gender discrimination in schools receiving federal funds. it changed the face of women's athletics by forcing schools to provide equal resources. he was the only person since our founding fathers to author two amendments to our constitution starting with the 25th amendment, which has been back in the news of late. it deals with presidential fitness, disability and succession. and the 26th amendment, which enshrined our voting age of 18. he also fought a herculean but ultimately losing battle for the equal rights amendment. birch bayh is less well known for what happened on the night of june 19th, 1964. he and his fellow senator ted kennedy had just voted for the civil rights act. they were late for an appearance in massachusetts where the pilot of their small plane tried for an instrument landing in heavy fog.
the plane crash killed the pilot and an aide to ted kennedy. bayh and his wife were banged up but thrown clear. then birch bayh heard a noise. ted kennedy was in the wreckage and still alive. he had broken his back and could not move. fearing an explosion from leaking aviation fuel, birch bayh went back into the wreckage. he told ted kennedy to put his arms around his neck and then he dragged him to safety through a hole in the fuselage. the bayh name has remained formidable back home in indiana. his son evan bayh, of course has served as both governor and senator. birch bayh died at his home on the eastern shore of maryland. he was 91 years old. that is our broadcast on this thursday evening. thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
tonight on "all in." >> doesn't matter. i'll probably have to veto and it's not going to be overturned. >> reporter: the president rebuked by the senate. 12 members of his own party 96ing his emergency member. >> the president can't over rule the decision of congress without becoming the ultimate power. >> and force under to his first ever veto. >> i think it's a great election issue. anything else? >> then as roger stone heads back to court new indications the mueller probe is nearing an end. plus >> i have never intentionally misled congress.