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attached to vehicles near the scene of the attack. schools in the area all on lockdown as authorities worked to determine whether there was more than one attack aerattacke. one person has been arrested and charged with murder. three others were arrested. >> i heard the shooting and shooting and shooting. it went on about six minutes or more and i could hear screaming and crying and i saw some people were drop dead and some people were running away. i was in the wheelchair, i could not go anywhere. >> one man who took responsibility for the shootings left a long manifesto explaining
why he did what he did. he was a 29-year-old man from london. what more can you tell us right now, ali? >> reporter: good morning. it's been a blood bath in new zealand. there are fears that the death toll may go up even further in what seems to be new zealand as worst mass shooting. the prime minister, who just gave a press conference described the attack as unprecedented violence in one of their darkest days. the shootings occurred in two mosques in the christ church area during friday afternoon prayers. witnesses describe multiple
deat deaths, where at least 41 people lost their lives. at you mentioned, four people are now in custody, three men and one woman. one of them is being charged with murder. he's going to appear m court on saturday. police said they weren't aware of other suspects beyond the four who had been arrested. they said they can't be certain to see how fluid the situation is. they've raided another house in connection with the christ church attacks. it o it's obviously a very fluid situation. one witness described the gunman as white in his 30s. he's 28 years old. he claimed responsibility for the shootings and left a 74-paj a -- 74-page anti-immigrant manifesto.
also, you mentioned schools have been in lockdown. we've heard that lockdown has been lifted. we're not sure if there's a lockdown on government buildings, which was also imposed. police are advising people in new zealand avoid all mosques nationwide today as this country with a safe and peaceful reputation comes to times of the day with extreme violence. >> and this terrorist of course chose the day of friday prayer when is he knew muslims would be gathered inside those mosques in large numbers. without getting into the details of this manifesto, what more can you tell us about his motive beyond straight hate of muslims? >> well, we don't know a lot. the police haven't released it. we know he's an australian man. there isn't a lot of animosity
toward muslims in new zealand. we also learned that he or one of his accomplices had videoed the whole event to add heat to this act terror. new zealand police have asked people on social media not to share this video, as that's exactly what these attackers would have wanted. they want to spread their message of hate as far and wide as possible. we've decided not to show that video in the meantime. but other than pure hate and animosity towards immigrants, there doesn't seem to be nanothr note of for this attack. someone like this could have gone pretty much under the radar to plan this sort of attack there. it n it's not very difficult to
obtain a gun in new zealand. you have to be 16 years old and report to a police station. if someone was amassing a lot of guns, i don't think it would have raised a lot of eyebrows. there's been a lot of talk of changes that now. >> and he was not none to the police before this terrible, terrible incident today. ali, what can you tell us about the history of anything like this inside the nation of new zealand? i'm not sure our american audience knows a lot about the history of relations between religions and race in that country. have there been other incidents not to that extent but anything resembling this? >> as far as we know no particular hate crimes like this. there have been shootings in new
zealand. the worst mass shooting in new zealand was in 1990 when i believe 14 people were killed. that was sparked off from some sort of a domestic argument and the assailant went crazy and shot everybody around him, including one policeman. it wasn't a religious-related hate crime. i was watching someone say this just doesn't happen in new zealand and it has changed our country forever. people were walking around dazed and walking around to meet at local watering holes to see if everybody was all right and stab what had happened there because there was such a new thing in this country. it does appear to be something relatively new that people are coming to terms with in new
zealand. >> with us, we have donny deuts deutsch, susan del percio, author of identify "unjust," noah rothman, columnist for "the washington post". >> eddie, i wanted to talk to you about new zealand. it makes us talks about other places of attacks in the united states. i'm thinking about charleston at ame church and the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh where people are gathered to worship on friday prayers, the busiest days. >> you would think these are people go where they can in some ways step away from the noise of
every day life and feel secure in their faith. and then to be subject to such hosh horrible violence. there's an ideology driving this. the new york city reported that he listed in the manifesto his white nationalist heros, that he used guns in order to stir the second amendment debate here in the united states, that he looking to us as he'sin gau ien in this horrific act. it reveals an epidemic of hatred and fear that's ungulfing the world. we need to be mindful in our on rhetoric and our on ambassadors how we're pushing it. my heart goes out to the families. this is horrible. but it's a sign of how dark our times are. >> and one of the things that stood out to me was listening to a report this morning about 2:00, 3:00 in the morning when a
reporter said when i first heard this, i assumed it was in the united states. that's how rare it is. it doesn't happen in new zealand and australia. they assumed it was either the u.s. or europe. they couldn't comprehend this kind of thing would happen in their own back yard. >> i'm going to be curious to see president trump's reaction. obviously he'll condemn it. i certainly hope it's a full hearted, angry condemnation. >> noah, the number hit me, 49 dead. i was on the air on a sunday morning almost three years ago when i heard in my ear that
inside the pulse night club 49 people had been killed. >> look that attack and the attacks you referenced earlier, it's an assault on cultural and social heterrogenerity. this isn't about us. this is about another society and another culture, but we should feel as though this is an attack on our common humanity but we shouldn't internalize it. this is a helpless moment. >> we're thinking about the 49 people killed and their families right now and many more in
critical condition this morning. we're going to come back to new zealand in just a bit. news here in the united states, president trump is poised to hand down the first veto of his presidency, after the senate overturned his emergency declaration on the border wall. before the vote noine republicas said they would join the measure. but that measure grew when republicans got on board raising the vote to 12. senator tillman from north carolina who reversed course and supported the president. senate democrats still are short of the 67 votes that would be needed to override a veto by
president trump. of the 22 republican senate seats up for grabs in 2020, all but susan collins of maine stood with the president on this matter. senator lamar alexander of tennessee did vote to rebuke trump but he is not running for reelection next year. jennifer rubin, your reaction here. i saw disappointment by senator ben sass and others who say they are constitution conservatives here. >> i'm disappointed but not surprised. this what we have soon, the moral and intellect corruption of the republican party, people had tossed whatever principles, whatever standards they had and they will twist themselves like a pretzel to just anyway
anythi -- justify anything. and when you have someone who knows better look been sass who puts out a pathetic written statement weekly about this vote, you know this is a corrupted soul. what is the purpose if you're going to sell your soul to consign your obligations to the executive branch, what really is the purpose? on one hand i'm pleased you could find 12 souls there that are not beyond redemption, but it's pathetic that the rest of them should go done this road. i think they will pay a political price. you have people like cory gardner and thom tillis who really just made a fool in himself in this reversal, which is mind numbing, people look joanie ernst and perhaps a vote 18 months ahead of the election is too much. i think the perception is that these people have been weak. they have capitulated, they have
enabled and depending on who the top of the ticket is, we can see some tremendous numbers in the senate swl. >> the most interesting case is senator thom tillis. he gave a speech on the floor of the senate explaining why they have to vote. senators must vote. if you're a true conservative, you must vote to knock done this declaration of national m emergency, he called his a steward of executive powers. i stood by that principle during the obama administration, he wrote, and i stand by it now. yet yesterday he didn't put in his vote the way he's been speaking and lecturing his colleagues. >> interesting is withone word say about this.
senator tillis is extremely disappointing. he put out a statement yesterday in which nothing changed, he put forward an attempt to create a consensus around changing these laws after the fact and mike lee said i'm off ship. thom tillis moved. he said, okay, at least the president told me he would support an amendment to amend the law that a future leftist president couldn't do this like me. you can understand a politician being a politician is as unsatisfactory as it is.
lecturing us to this extent is unacceptable unacceptable. >> we sometimes forget that senators are human beings. these people, this is their livelihood, they make a couple hundred grand a year, it's a process vote. and i know everybody wants to think of themselves as heros, but at the end of the day, your job, your livelihood, your family's well being is on the line and if i need to make a vote at the end of the day, this is not a vote on obamacare, it's a process vote, of course they're going to vote this way. >> not of course. >> let me finish, guys. but they're not being primaried. please, let me finish. to understand and not be surprised and not be intellectual and go how could they do it, they're protecting
their jobs. s that -- that's reality. if anything else, we're looking for super heros. >> what you're describing is a rationalization, that i can do more good on the inside than the outside. >> i understand what you're saying, donnie, but here's the thing. they made that with a man in donald trump that you can't trust him to keep his word. why would you make that kind of deal with that kind of man knowing you cannot trust him -- >> because you lose your job otherwise. >> this is the moral neoism that has brought to us donald trump. the notion that what do you expect, politicians are going to be politicians. this a complete loss and understanding that these people are in national service. and, my god, the notion that ben
sass can't go get a job somewhere else? you don't support a candidate who is tearing down the constitution. the fact that there are 12 who did it and 13 in the house, all of this many are up for reelection. >> isn't it bizarre that the 12 brave people are not being primaried? >> that's not the case. >> that is the case other than susan collins. >> i'm not heralding them. i'm saying the rest of them doesn't deserve to be in office. we have to raise our standards. the way we got donald trump, well, they're all corrupt, this guy is my bully, he's my cheat. we have to recover some value system to our democracy. and i will rail until my last breath against a rationization that says, well, they're just keeping their jobs. >> you're not defending it. you're explaining it. >> i'm not telling you not to
rail. we all have the same moral compass. you have to not take away the basic human reality and not be naive and not think the democrats would have done the same thing. >> i'm not naive. i'm not naive. om saying that we shouldn't accept it because it unacceptable. of course that your crave i don't know, of course they're desirous of their jobs. >> really quickly, done onie, p of what you've just described is one of the reasons why we're in the mess today. we tend to exceptionalize donald trump, he's the evil avitar doing all of the bad things to our democracy. what we've been saying for the last two years is donald trump is just the tip of the iceberg, that there are a whole host of other behaviors and actions that are complicit in bringing us to this crisis point. and one of the ways, one aspect
or one characteristic or one set of choices is that people are selfish, that they're self-interested, that they don't difficult a damn about anything but themselves. so here we are in a moment when the congress is facing in effect an exercise of imperial power where the executive branch is intruding on the role o congress and you have folk who are concerned about their jobs, they become to me the poster child of what's wrong with us. it's not just trump, it's all of those folk, too, who are complicit. >> we shouldn't lose sight of the big picture. the 41 who voted against it are morning. the 59 who voted for this measure are what matters. congress has explicitly said absolutely not. that's going to be very relevant when the court begins to decide
this issue. >> jerry moran of kansas, roy blount of missouri, rob portman of ohio, mitt romney of utah, marco rubio of florida, rand paul of kentucky, roger wicker of mississippi and lamar alexander of tennessee. those are the 12 republicans who voted in support of the resolution. president trump has promised in all caps on twitter to veto this as soon as he gets the chance. >> let's give a "w" to donald trump on this. i can't stand him but he's so brilliant. basically at the end of the day he gets to say in the next election, i'm not giving up. he gets to run against the republicans. i'm the only guy that pounds my fist and he used the wrong strong yesterday, i salute those
strong raspberry. >> i happen to agree because who is thrilled to be able to use that veto right now. he's taking it out in his spin world to build the wall. he is willing to do everything for security. so in donald trump world, i agree, it is a win for him. >> we're going to continue this conversation in a moment. i always enjoy a good pile on donnie. >> coming up, president trump appeared to issue a warning that his supporters could turn violent if they choose to. we'll explain that. and woor joined by new york city mayor bill de blasio, who has been outspoken on gun reform. first, we go life to aiowa, whee the 2020 hopefuls are going to work. what president trump said about beto o'rourke's roll-out next on "morning joe." humira patients, you inspire us.
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i think he's got a lot of hand movement. i said is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? i've never seen hand movement. i watched him a little while this morning doing i assume it was some kind of a news conference and i've actually never seen anything quite like it. study it. i'm sure you'll agree. it's a lot of work when i'm speaking in front of 15,000, 20,000 people and i'm using a lot of motion, i guess in a way it's a pretty healthy act. a lot of times has to rooms are very good like saunas. beto o'rourke connected off his 2020 campaign with a
three-day trip across iowa and a message of party unity. >> we are all americans, we do everything in our power for america, for this great country. any single democrat today would be far better than the current occupant of the white house. >> o'rourke said people from every single state had donated to his cam ppaign. shortly after his announcement, o'rourke was endorsed by four democratic members of congress.
when asked about his hand gesture, he said i don't have anything to say to that. he said i think people want us to rise above the pettiness, to be big, bold, ambitious for this country. how did congress beto o'rourke do on the trail yesterday? >> he made six stops. they wanted to keep some of these early stops small, kons i don't know sh-- conscientious o the fact that people didn't widely know. for a lot of folks, it's their first opportunity to get to hear from o'rourke. people liked his energy, they didn't mind the hand movements, there able to wave them off, if you'll forgive me for being too cute on that there. but generally speaking, folks
liked the optimism. iowans not ready to commit to anybody just yet. get used to this, it's going to be a lot of small, retail stops. he takes, like the president does, a lot of energy away from the crowds that he talks to. he wants to engage. he took questions at every stop, focused a lot on this idea that he's listening, that he doesn't have all the answers yet. that's part honesty and part also strategy. this is not someone who comes to the table with a will the lot oc policy solutions, which is something he's getting knocked for but it's something that people are willing to let develop over time. the president said he's only partly paying attention to this. he's going to focus on voters
who went for obama and then maybe went for trump. yesterday i called a town in iowa remote and i had so many people come up to me to dispute that so a shout out to my new friends. >> nick from axios, the headline is "beto breaks through." you've heard it, there's some blowback, even within the democratic party that he's going to be the next celebrity candidate and we have to put some meat on the bones. >> it's a little fair for someone polling in the single digits. literally starting the day after
the midterm we were asking, oh, is beto running. and now leading out with "vanity fair" and here we are talking about him. i think he certainly popped out on scene. we did a focus group recently in wisconsin with a lot of swing voters, we show him a picture of beto, to a person it's like doesn't ring a bell. i want to do a formula, tpm, television, polls, money. that amount of coverage immediately says i'm going to 6 to 7 points and he's rising in the poll. so it becomes a little bit of a service fulfilling prophecy, whether we like it or not, these
telegenic candidates. historically it's not the issues, it's the persona and charisma. and the third thing he has going tore him is right now thing about kind of challenge is on the socialist scale. where are you, way on the side with bernie or more mainstream like bid i don't know. in a strange way, his noncommittal might work in his favor. i love two out of three, kamala harris, beto, bide i don't know, put any of those three together -- >> and in fairness, it was a marathon, not a sprint. but he was asked about very specific policy issues. he said i'll get to that. let me just have this first day of my roll out. >> i was impressed with his senate run. i thought what he did at the level of the mechanics of the campaign suggests that something
different is on the horizon in terms of how we hire strategists, how we think about consultants, the way that we think about polling. the first thing is he's trying to occupy the lane of the uniter, unity. cory booker jumped into that lane when he came out. his book was entitled "united." it will be interesting to see how -- when he was asked about medicare, when he was asked about policy, we saw he's simply slogan, really just simply celebrity right now. it has to be attractive with substance because we need substantive change. and, third, is the way in which he's -- and this is linked to the second point -- yesterday linked to obama, the obama charisma. remember obama's atrack initially was all about this
slogan, hope and change. and no within really mu outside of obama as personality what the hell that meant. it was a marketing ploy. i think substance, substance plus chris arisma is needed. >> but raw political talent cannot be -- >> according to you people -- >> donald trump was able to take it from 1% to becoming president. president obama had that raw ability to go in there and get people motivated. it not the only thing but in a crowded field with up to 20
candidates and you're on that debate stage, don't have to use a lot of your time. so when you have that raw situation where you're just bringing up people, that's a big, big deal. i know he's raised money in all 50 states but his money number today will be very interesting. >> can he convert -- >> exactly. those people who raised money in texas, are they going to give money to bernie sanders. >> jennifer hop in here. >> listen, i think elise is right. we paw through the details of elizabeth warren's health care plan or wall street regulation plan but that's not what average voters are looking for and certainly not 18 months before people are actually casting votes. the first continuing is he has
this access to free media in a way no one has been able to do. that's invaluable. when you ask kwlats they wan-- s what they want, muand the lack detail gives more moderate democrats hope. at least he's not a left-wing ideaologue. he's very different than obama. obama was very careful, have intellectual. that's not beto o'rourke. he's still flying by the seat of his pants. it much more trump-like than obama like. >> at the end of the day the polls say we want to win.
>> that's true. but when we drill down to what that means, it has something to do with the serkss of the country. if we think that the om thing we need to do is get him out of office, we're going to stay on this damn racial hial hamster w. i'm interested in what will beto did if mayor pete hits him, puts forward substantive issues, how will he respond? >> job one even to solve the bigger problems is getting trump out of office. yes, i want to solve racial inequality but we have a madman in the white house. i want to get him out. >> ahead, we'll bring in one of those house democrats that
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it will allow readers to go in depth on a range of topics. the column is online now and will be in special print edition on sunday. robert, good morning. "the strong man strike back," who are we talking about here? >> the chinese government, the russian government, but primarily those two who are really enjoying a conference about authoritarianism, they're not on the defense anymore. they're using very advanced technology, artificial intelligence, the use of social media to penetrate and i think begin to undermine democratic governments around the world.
>> hey, robert, noah rothman. one unmentioned but one of the more concerning turns , how thee type of autocrats up end democracy and move to authoritarianism. >> if you look over the ladest decade or so, democracy has been in retreat. we see it in the philippines and in europe. we are complacent about this growing trend, especially when you see how on very important issues these different
governments begin to line up, just like you say, the dutarte government and beijing. we are quite passive in the face of this burgeoning authoritarian threat. >> is it safe to say the trump play book is a fairly standard one and you destroy the belief in free press. >> one of the things that ought to be concerning to people is that not on is u.s. policy today in many ways lining up on the side of authoritarians and would-be authoritarians, donald trump is very friendly with the poland government and what we
hear coming out the mouths of putin and xi jinping, you can hear from the voices of american officials like mike pompeo, as well many conservatives who support donald trump. we have a broad critique of democracy that has strong supporters inside this administration. jennifer rubin has a question. >> nice to see you this morning. >> nice to see you. >> there has been a long strain of isolationism in america that goes back decades. how much of this rise of totalitarianism is related to what the scene it, american retrenchment, which you have written about and how much of that is related to the foreign policy fail yourseures of multi
presidencies? talk about how this dynamic of american reluctance in the world fuels regimes around the world. >> it's a great point. i think one of the things that we lost sight of after the cold war when democracy seemed to be spreading everywhere was that this growth of democracy was not just some natural evolution of humanity. it was the result of the exertion of power and influence by the world's most important liberal democracy, which was the united states. but after the end of the cold war, i think many americans understandably wanted to shed that burden of maintaining this world order and the consequence of shedding that burden has definitely been the growth of authoritarianism and the spread of authoritarianism. i think a lot of people felt we could afford to pull back from the world. this is clearly the obama administration's approach. we could afford to pull back from the world and everything would be fine.
i think what we're seeing is the vacuum that we're creating by retracting our influence around the world is being filled by authoritarians armed with a kind of technological weapons that we could never have imagined before and which i think pose a real threat to our way of life. >> fascinating conversation. robert kagan's piece is in the "washington post." thank you so much. johnson i ever ru jennifer rubin, always good to talk to you. coming up, at least 49 people in new zealand have died in friday prayers. provisional data shows in 2017 there were 48 homicides in new zealand the entire year -- 49 today. r -- 49 today. we're paying the highest prescription drug prices
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lockdown. one person has been arrested and charged with murder and three others are in custody. according to the soshtassociate press, one man who claimed responsibility for the shootings left a 74-page manifesto who wrote why he did what he did today, a 28-year-old white man from australia. what more can you tell us, ali? >> the death toll has been steadily climbing all morning. it's now at 49 people dead. there's another 40 people in hospital, 20 of whom are said to be in a very serious condition in what seems to be the deadliest mass shooting in new zealand's history. the prime minister, who gave a press conference this morning,
described the attack of unprecedented violence as one of the darkest days in the country's vie and history and acknowledged many people affected by the attacks were probablying me gra ing mmigrant looking for a better life. it occurred during the very business prayer rush. it was obviously planned for maximum impact by the assailants. witnesses described multiple deaths at the noor mosque and lynnwood mosque. the one gun man live streamed the footage of the rampage to facebook with a head-mounted camera. it showed the man shooting at men, women and children at very close age.
new zealand police have asked people online not to share this very, very distressing footage and facebook is working to take it completely off their site. it was a horrifying scene there this morning, people being shot at very close range in a confined space. as you mentioned, four people are now in custody, three men, one woman. one of them has been charged with murder and he's due to april peer in court on saturday. new zealand police initially said they weren't aware of any other suspects but we learned that a home has been raided in the last hour in connection with the christ church shootings. this is still a fluid and ongoing swaituation. the police have a huge presence in case anything was to happen. one witness described the gunman
as a white man aged 30. we have recently learned that he is an australian citizen and police sources have told australia network 7 news that hoose a man called brendan tarant, a 28-year-old man who has now been charged with these murders. he holds australian citizenship and that was acknowledged by the australian prime minister, who called him an extremist terrorist. we also know that the man who claimed responsibility for the attack, as you also mentioned, left a 74-paj anti-immigrant manifesto in which he explained why he's doing this and the reasoning for his actions, which evidently seems to be an ant anti-immigration reason for this. police also difused improvised explosive devices i attached to cars. the plan was to that can member
an evening about are attack. as a as you mentioned, that lockdown on the schools has been lifted but police have warned people not as this country comes to terms with this horrifying shooting, a country that's usually considered very peaceful and safe. >> as we pointed out, in 2008, new zealand had 48 total homicides. 41 of the dead were at the al noor mosque, seven at the linwood mosque and the others at the hospital. when did he put up the manifesto and will lawmakers be looking a the whether that could is been
prevented? >> this man was not on the list. he was working very much under the radar. he was not a suspect, he seemed be going about their daily business. if this -- it's very difficult to determine these things when you're not on the radar, when you don't have a criminal record, there hasn't been any past of you being involved in these sort of the things, it's difficult to identify somebody. but i'm sure there as going o be a very thorough investigation into exact will, the new zealand prime minister said this was a very well-planned attack. you don't have this sort of casualty rate without the have
the worst possible scene of carnage in a situation luke this. that are also discuss closing loopholes. look in mrk, it fairly easy to obtain a gun in new england. you have to be 16 years old and pass a police check. i was reading earlier that some 225,000 people in new zealand have a firearm's license and there's about a million firearms there but only 4% of them are automatic weapons. willie? >> i'm looking through some data here. since 2007 in new zealand, gun homicides have been in the single digits every year except 2009 when there 11. there were on 39 murder in the entire country of new zealand.
joining our conversation, prove -- professor of history and professor at the lyndon b. johnson school of public affairs. >> one thought on that tragedy. you think about newsathe news i zealand and for most of us, it's new zealand. the lowest form of humanity now to a country that probably most of us know absolute will nothing about and yet we have the similar issues.
it's ironic in a globe of 7.7 billion people, the common thread now is this hate. >> and friday prayer, susan. this is the day the mosques are full of people and as the prime minister points out, people of all faiths. >> as my mom was telling me, they seem to have a lot of registered firearms. one in four, that seems high. >> the prime minister rightly calling this one of new zealand's darkest days and a terrorist attack. for now we'll turn back to american politics. president trump is poised to hand down the first veto of his presidency after the senate approved the resolution to overturn his national emergency
declaration on the border wall. lawmakers in the senate approved the rebuke of the president yesterday in a 4959-41 vote. the total number of republicans in favor of the resolution was 12. thom tillis of north carolina reversed course minutes before the vote and stood by the president after previously expressing his support of the bill. despite the support to overturn the declaration, senate democrats are short of the 67 votes needed to override a veto by president trump. we should note of the 22 republican senate seats up for grabs in 2020, all but susan collins of maine stood with the president on this issue. senator lamar alexander did vote
to rebuke trump but he is not running for reelection next year. you look at the picture of the 12 republicans who voted to rebuke the president of the united states, are you surprised there were that many or that there weren't more? >> i guess i'd say i'm surprised there were that many. but there comes a point where it becomes almost a critical mass. and this is a dual-headed rebuke. the president got rebuked onem i don't know earlier this week in the senate and now he got rebubd on this. the "1big thing" to me is tom fills igs who flipped yesterday with the promise of rewriting national emergency laws. having just finished a book on congress in the era of trump, i cannot tell you how many times the president has vowed to do
something legislatively only to back off and never do anything about it again. the president has never vetoed anything. i think those are the political dynamics right now. it will be interesting to see how long the white house peace memory usually the president's bark is a little more seg than his bite. >> so jake, how do you describe these self-suss described constitution constitutional conservatives -- >> someone look been sass, it might be his political calculati calculation. i think there are some constitutional conservatives who
believe there is an emergency at the border and believe the president has the authority and they might believe the current law is not adequate or not right or not good, but that is the current law and they believe they have to follow it. but it is very tough to justify to kind of come to terms with those two realities at the same time. >> i'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to a lot of these republican senators as well, but i have a problem with some of the logic here. for example, when it comes to senator ted cruz. they requested from the white house according to "the washington post" information along the lines of demonstrating why this is a legally narrow opinion and if a future democratic president wanted to say seize oil wells in texas, what would prevent them from doing so? the white house requested no information to any extent. to vote against this, you would have had to work yourself into
that. so i struggle to see whether there's a legal logic. the white house said you can vote this way or sacrifice your political office and a lot of them said i'm not going to sacrifice my plate call argument. in other words, poll tex over princip principle. you defend the constitution. there's nothing more clear than what the constitution says. article i puts it out that the congress gets to appropriate money. in this case it was debated. it there came a bite once you say you're going to give up that principle, you destroy the entire balances of power that i lou appropriations bills to come
out of congress and you give the president executive authority to spend money where he or she wants. if i were a left-wng democrat, i might be excitedthishey, guns are a national emergency. and they start invoking these things. so there's absolutely no justification ahad you sm flimsy way, we've voted about how things ought to be done and now we'll let the president do something different. it's unbelievable. >> for somebody like ben sass, who says to himself, look, this is my job, this is my livelihood, this is my family, i need to protect them.
i'm not the swng vote, eknow where this is going, it's a process vote. and i can either die on my sword -- i believe he said to ben sass, you are the vote that's going to decide do we have -- we're asking people to be heroic. 99.9% of americans and/or going to protect your yap -- let's understand it once and for all. >> i can understand but i can also see if you're so desperate to hang on to a political office that you're going to go against what the constitution clearly says, then we ought to call it o out for what it is, which is unexclusionable. been s that he could have easily
explained. i don't know that he would could could but i'm about 80% he could have if he tried. maybe it was just a pure crave yb pit thing. >> can i just clarify the rationization i think that you're right, donnie. i don't think it's about my family and my livelihood, my job here. >> it's different. >> ben sass came out of the university. he would have a. >> it's not going to -- >> but here's also a point. 12 was a surprising number. when i saw that, i was like wow.
but the three who weren't part of it, tillis, garner and sass that, would have been 15. then you throw a couple out there like ernst, mcsally, you could actually have created enough of a mass force to get to 67 and it wouldn't have been what hard, especially if those three would have stayed onboard because even truds ted cruz discussing these senators but we haven't brought up perhaps the most important. what is mcconnell's play on this? what is he up to? >> he's kind of sat back what is mcconnell's play here? >> theem i don't know rest looks is a lot more tooths will that people give it cred et for. >> he didn't have a choice. >> victoria, let me give you in
he said i believe the use of emergency powers in this circumstance violates the constitution. this continues down the path of all powerful executive, something those who wrote the station were fearful. who said i'm not willing to give up the idea of appropriation and violate the constitution to do it. >> what we've seen oaf the past 50 to 60 years is this accumulation of executive power. even though the constitution has the separation of powers, you know, since the 1950s, 1960s, we see the executive getting more and more power. this is a trend that can either continue or it's going to have to be reversed and this could be a pivotal point to do so. back to the practical point, the self-interested point, you know, i'm going to play devil's advocate here. i think that some of these
conservatives are saying i don't believe this is right but i think it the lesser of two evils because i believe in the more conservative and just is going to prevail and ps. >> this is such brat, shining line of constitutional conservatives. it so clear this you bloo and one of the things we've been saying over and over again about this period is we're in bizarro world. are actual hi pave why are otherwise. >> go ahead, jake.
i. >> just want to he said at the end of the government shut dunn the prd is going to dough clar an emergency and i'm going if i just want to revert to sass for ament. go. -- this is a vote he could have showed that and he didn't. i don't believe this is a livelihood thing but i agree with bon oo ton these geese are political animals. they're in it to went. these are people who spend their entire lives, they go back between two cities all the time, they turn down seven-figure salaries, not but probablythis
opinion would you rather have been sass, make it trench coat,ry is not going to -- or stay in office and get primaried out. >> i'd loolk to see. >> i also want to bring up one other point i thoughtthere were some weak republicans but in 2020, hoose going to carry this wall fantasy forever. >> speaking of 2020, beto other roarke prnlt and hopped on the trail for a three-day road trip to iowa. zip remember seeing his concession speed on election night. that was really his announcement of running. i think with leto what we're looking for in this super proud
crowded poll. . agreed. but what beto brings is a unique conversation of positivism with a very concrete policy, let and the border. and i think this sincity tend made politics in the united states about the bored are and immigration. . this is going to be the one lane i think we'll see him dominate in. >> it's susan del percio here. saw beto go in 2018, one of the thanksgiving again him was he always kind of a happen go lucky
go. not being aggressive enough. do you see that changes or does that need to chang or does it work for him? >> fellow democrats were pulling out their hair in the first debate saying come on, go at ont . think there given opinion that going to do that more ak if i have attackhe is going to stick to this bass who know that candidate pool that we're seeing in the democratic national convention being sight right now. >> jake, how did the members of congress who served with beto feeling about him as a presidential candidate? what's the vibe?
he was really an unremarkable member of congress. i don't man that offensively. he was a three-term member of congress with very little influence and did not really leave the mark on the institution. he did get some early endorse mrnts from kathleen rice, the congresswoman from new york who tried to unsuccessfully overthrow nancy pelosi. and sean pat trek moreno also from new york endorsed him. pelosi said yesterday of the more the merrier. she believes he's qualified. someone said butty only served throw teams terms -- his new book is set to be released on april 9th.
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>> they're tough guys, right? where are the bikes are for trump? where are the police? where the but ware to i will tell they're so luckier that how about bikers for trump? they travel all over the country. they got trump all over the place and they're great. they've been great. but these are tough people. these are great people. >> because we are tough as hell. doesn't forget, we've got the police law enforcement lofls us. >> so, donnie, he said there they're so lucky we're peaceful. in the nt view yesterday with breitbart he said i have the tough people but they don't play it tough until they go to a
certain ount and then it. what dk tateors do is they haven haven't. >> this is look no or we've ever seen. if he pb mrs. bikes are, construction workers. if they -- i'm not saying hes the ability tore a cop this is not a money and the military, police, firefighters, those people swir not to the man but to the country. >> yeah, moved by the
president's honor to intn himand the knows that he to rely not on his on complements -- i disagree. they snm he'll pay for someone as lawyer if they get if trouble. the no. i allow my people to become violent and i will support them. who is o has already started with al ooand when people are riled up pi the president of the pmt this is very dangerous.
>> it's absolutely dangerous. it reckless and irresponsible and the violence has already begun again at his rallies. the violence happened. the movement has got away from his, pent. >> mc. >> but maybe they haven't because he says things like that. >> we need mindful of our recent history. people people are mobilized and their hates and fierce are exaggerated. i come out of a traditional -- just standing in a line to sot and it won't wasn't just by ier
this is not some early 20 know is that this country is capable, we are capable of unage pab pb and he used capability just look me and he will say, and thing that we cannot for get, i just want to emfan is and that there are people who are walking around itand there are people right now who is born bon prun it psh it's speaking to the compassion of human beings to be dark. >> i guess it's a hypothetical. >> it's not hypothetical.
i'm appealing to an historical example. historical examples. >> he would if he could about -- >> it's not preconceptions. it's an historical fact. >> out that i'm talk about the call to action o people on the stroot. a lot it and author of the new lo look. it good to have you with us. >> it gra pmt you know, it really does. we're talking hope they clically
that we're setting up violence but what's not in dispute is some small percentage ration and we have something loog n and one in six have stopped talking to family member or close politics since the 2016 election. but the other part of the population wants to us hate each other. that's the real manipulation. what i talk about in this boom is how we need to stand up against that to take back our happiness as a country be able to to pir suede more so, arthur, who are the people profiting off this? >> we talking about the populous politicians on both right and left who are saying you're right. any time somebody in media or in politics or on a college campus tells you you're right, that
your grievance is source of hit tread ant the other side is completely stupid and evil, they're dethat are raising anxiety, they're raising unhappiness and fmt how do we step off this ledge where i think most people at the table would fwrae their rehuawei shipz have tanged, we start by standing up to the pans not right. we should love our neighbors and love our family members more than we like our televisions. more than we believe these
demonstratorsnd third, most importantly, we need to actually meet it with some kindness and love toward other people. have i a lot of brain science. i'm a behavior social sigh kol yis and there are ways to do this, we with each take supplies at over the couple of years about how to breek through this political find where with you're right, a lot of people see them as efficientlyily and what progress ef pums i don't a sp--n other words, i love you but how can you love those policy?
>> that's right. and that's perfectly fine. within of the things that i never support is agreeing more. by the way, i don't even report more civility. if i told you po and i need to separate disagreeing with someone's ideas from the person. i can think your ideas are stupid by i'm not going to say you're a stupid person. this is what the demagogues are telling us. if you disagree with a person, that person is beneath contempt. when you have disgust for another person, you will make a permanent enemy. somebody's getting rich by you having a permanent enemy with your neighbor or your family member. that's just not right and it's unnecessary. >> so walter isaacson, are you optimistic we can put this gino back into the bottle and unwind this tension that's been
exacerbated over the last couple of years? >> yeah, i'm and maybe in the word into those who are m and those who are there to stir up the deepons in or we've seen it over the past 300 years really. but there are politicians who stoke those resentments and there are politicians who try to bring us together and appeal to the better angel. at the moment, if you look at beto o'rourke coming into the race, he's say i'm going to appeal to the better angels of your nature. and i think there's a lot of people, here in who is loss that
smoking hatred, that's who. us at least into a higher realm of the goodness that's in our. the trump administration and candidacy led to so much contempt and dip described our nation and led to all this anger. i remember when people were kind of on the fringe be if in two or six years that donald trump db we still have this in or culture. >> oo rmt you see big parts of the media getting rich. you see hogs.
and this what woof typically seen after financial crises. you see all of the truts are economic growth going to the top it it out there, who has got your stuff and o going dpmarket opportunity. 93% of americans hate how doo d described we've become. you never see these opportunities. and starts to run with this. when the furn. puchlt college wam uses are boiling with contempt that's being begined up by we'll on these campus esz as well. when people stand up and say that's not the leader hype fwm
but we have to be at the given vard and try to start this move. susan and i have had this debate for two years now. one of the difficult thing that we fate face is how -- from disagreement to the conclusion that if you hold this position be you must be a bad person. so there's disagreement, but if you hold this view, it indication that something is wrong with your character, right, you can't hold the position around women that you hold and keep me from concluding something about you. so in your book what do you say -- what can we do to stop the move from the disagreement to the adjudgement of character? >> thank you, eddie, for that wonderful question. it's easy for me to do. i'm guilty of expressing
contempt for other people. i've soon myself roll my eyes on television when someone says something i don't like and i don't like it. one of the things i learned in this book is advice i got from chad it ber er we'll have less anxiety and less december pregs when you rehuman rise nor i can't persuade anybody when i do that. no one has been persuaded by inhults and hatred. you can't hate someone into agreement. if i want to persuade somebody that my point of view is correct, i have to humanize and treat that person with greater humanity. so that's a self-interest point
of view, too. >> this is such an important conversation and such a good book in the conversation. and the part with the dalai lama, that's pretty good. >> i didn't mean to name drop the dalai lama. coming up, the senate vote on the border wall want the only message congress sent to the president yesterday. there was also the resolution in the house passed unanimously calling for the report on russia to be made public. "morning joe is back in a moment." "morning joe is back in moment." ♪
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in a rare unanimous vote, house republicans jond democrats to demand that special counsel robert mueller's final report on russian meddling in the 2016 election be mead public. the nonbinding resolution urged attorney general william barr to release any report given to him by mueller, except any portions expressly prohibited by law. hours later, chuck schumer called for a vote on the measure
but was blocked by senator lindsey graham. graham said he supports mueller's investigation but ask that the resolution include an amendment calling for the appointment of the special counsel to investigate the fbi's handling of hillary clinton e-mail use and the surveillance of former aide carter page. >> i'm deeply disappointed in my friend from south carolina. this amendment appears to be a pretext for blocking this very simple, none controversial resolution. this resolution should pass the senate in the blink of an eye. i have absolutely no idea why a member of this body would object to this. >> joining us on set here in new york, a member of the house thj account money has endorsed beto o'rourke for president. this vote in the house, what
does it mean exactly? it's a non-binding vote, a recommendation to the attorney general. do you think the attorney general will release the full report to congress? >> yes, i do. i think it means we're going o see the whole report. we should. there's an overriding national interest in knowing the full results of the mueller investigation. we should see it. >> so attorney general barr previously wrote a memo expressing doubts about the mueller investigation. that's well known. it came up at his confirmation hearing. do you believe that he will go along with this? it's up to him at the end of the day. >> look, there are some other equities to weigh here, including national security, secrets, grand jury testimony. there's a bunch of stuff you got to filter through the the end of the day the whole thing's coming out. the end. >> do you believe the american public will see it? if the attorney general gives it to you, will the public see the full report? >> why, i think you'll see the whole thing and i this there must be a very, very high bar,
and something that rises to the level of national security to justify -- you're going to see the report. we should. we have an enormous national nstme investment in this. >> how exceptional is it that it was a unanimous vote yesterday? >> pretty remarkable. i mean, anti-semitism got, you know, voting against anti-semitism got fewer votes last week. >> you've heard an awful lot of the evidence. you've had number of witnesses before you. do you believe that there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia in the 2016 election? >> i think there was an awful lot going on that stinks to high heaven. look at what with eknow just in the public domain that the extraordinary communications that were happening, the financial entangle mts on the
most lucrative project the trump organization would have while he's running for president and it shifts to a focus on illegally obtained e-mails and there's an enormous amount of back and forth. we already know enough to know what this they had the opportunity to call the fbi they didn't. when they had the opportunity to disclose this, they didn't. there's a whole love interactions that cannot be explained away. >> do you believe the president himself colluded? >> i'm going to keep my powder dry on that. if you're go out and release the e-mails and the public is looking for something in private. whether he was activity engaged
in the coverup of these crimes or the conspiracy to commit these crimes i'm going to leave it to bob mueller to tell us. >> do you have any sense where mueller is in his investigation? we have reports it's coming. do you have any sense of when it might arrive? >> i think we're all ready for this report. i think we're getting close. >> is that based on knowledge that you have that it's close? >> no, it's based on the course of the investigation and seeing things like the departure of mr. weissman. i do think it's close to a conclusion and i think you'll see a lot of threads roll out of this. but i think we'll hear from mueller soon. >> can we talk about beto o'rourke for a esecond. he had the support of some fiscally conservatives in el
paso. raising the age, opposing the aca, opposing nancy pelosi for speaker. he's changed his positions on that but does that concern you for ideological series? >> the point is this is someone with an enormous heart and who can inspire millions of people and who is a creative force right now, inventing something new and that is unique in this cycle and it is going to be big enough to heal some of the terrible wounds the country has endured over the last few years. i'm really excited about this campaign. >> getting to know his family and everything you just said goes to the character of the man but you also served with him. can you give an example of where you saw him building con sen se
and what you're on board with? >> absolutely. i think you've seen him work across the aisle. this is a smart guy who understands issues. he's substantive, he's tough and he has great relationships across the aisle. i've seen a person who can be funny, who understands this campaign is as much about the people who will be drawn to it as himself. >> reporter: who sees himself as a vehicle for great movement where we can take our country back and stand for something good again in the world. >> you mention border security. beto says he actually supports not having a wall and taking down what we walready have. >> i'm not going to agree with every specific position. >> so you don't agree with it. >> i think a guy who represents a border community understands the issue a lot better than a lot of people who talk about it
on tv. what his experience has taught him is that it's at least as important that we build bridges as walls and he has an open vision that is going to be important as we do the common sense things to secure our border. >> let's switch back to donald trump. do you agree with speaker pelosi and the question of impeachment? >> yes, i think pelosi has got it right. i think that what we should do unless you have clear evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors we should focus on the congressional oversight that we've done so well. and if bob mueller tells us the guy broke the law then yeah, we're going to hold him accountable. if he directed someone to lie to congress that's a different issue. right now i think we should get things done and offer -- >> tax fraud, bank fraud? >> excuse me? >> tax fraud, bank fraud?
>> if there are -- i'm telling you, if there's evidence the guy broke the law and it's serious i'm going to hold him accountable but right now i think impeachment is an abstract concept and a political issue that is less important than doing real things for the american people and having real oversight and letting them see for themselves what this add n administration is all about. >> if bob mueller finds no evidence of obstruction you're happy to walk away and focus on the election? >> i hope my fellow democrats do as well. this doesn't mean there may be other issues where he has serious liability, criminal liability even, it's not just about the russians remember, but the fact of the matter is i'm going to believe robert mueller, yes. >> thanks so much for your time this morning. see you soon. >> still ahead on "morning joe," the the latest developments on
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christchurch knew sonew zealand. an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence, describing the incident as a terrorist attack. police also said a number of explosives have been found attached to vehicles near the scene of the attacks. schools, offices, other buildings on all lockdown as authorities work to find if there was more than one attacker. one person arrested and charged with murder. three others are in custody. one man who claimed responsibilities for the shootings left a 74 page anti immigrant manifesto in which he explained who he is and his reasons for the murder. he said he was a 28-year-old white man from australia. the white house has issued a statement on the attack in new zealand writing quote, the united states strongly condemns the attack in christchurch. our thoughts and prayers are
with the victims and their family. the president tweeting a short time ago my warmest sympathy goes out. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died with so many more injured. god bless all. >> joining us live from london, nbc news correspondent, he's been on the story for this morning. what more can you tell us here as we pass 8:00 on the east coast? >> good morning. well, the death toll is being climbing steadily all morning. as you mentioned police are now putting it at 49 dead. we also heard that there are 40 people that have been taken to the hospital. 20 of whom are said to be in a very serious condition in what seems to be the deadliest mass shooting in new zealand's history. now prime minister gave a press
conference this morning, described the attack as an unprecedented attack of violence and one of the darkest days in the country's history. she also acknowledged that many of the people affected may have been migrants and refugees. ironically migrants and refugees are seeking rescue from war torn places and came to one of the safest places in the world which that image seems to now have been shattered. the shootings occurred at two mosques in the christchurch area during friday afternoon prayer which is the busiest time for muslim worshippers so this had been planned for pax mum impact. witnesses describe multiple deaths at the sight of the deadliest of the two attacks where at least 41 people lost their lives. witnesses describe seeing people on blood soaked pavement trying to deal with these horrific gun
attacks. now the gunman live streamed the footage of the rampage which was fill filmed on a head mounted camera. firing on women and children in a very confined place. police have called on the public not to share this extremely distressing footage online as more details are coming out through today. >> yeah, we should underline how exceedingly peaceful new zealand is. the crime statistics from 2017, there were 35 total murders in the entire country and today we see 49 lives taken. what more do we know about motive here without getting into the details of that garbage that the shooter put online? is it just a pure act of anti muslim hate? >> it appears to be. as we spoke about earlier, the attacker had released the 74
page manifesto outlining why he had done this in that manifesto he had written that he was very anti immigration so it was obviously a hate crime. i mean, obviously they're going to question the assailant much more over the coming days and weeks and things will become clear but as you mentioned he's an australian citizen, and the australian prime minister said this was a right wing extremist with hate in haze hearis heart. we don't know what the other three people arrested, what their involvement was, but the main guy seemed to have a hatred for muslims and immigrants. >> 49 dead, 7 more at the mosque and another victim died at the hospital. many more in critical condition this morning. thanks so much.
we of course will check back with you soon and follow this story throughout the morning. we turn now to some other news. there's new violence in the middle east between israel and hamas in gaza. today israeli war planes struck up to 100 targets. so far no confirmed reports or death toll as the ap is reporting. it's a sensitive time for netanyahu who's locked in a re-election campaign and also for the leeraders of hamas. a north korean official has threatened to end talks with the united states as the country's leader looks to resume missile tests. the vice foreign minister blames mike pompeo. the official went on to explain
that after the meeting, kim had serious doubts about continuing his talks with president trump despite describing their chemistry as mysteriously wonderful. north korea might end its self-imposed moratorium on nuclear missile tests adding that kim would make a decision in a short period of time. and this is one of thousands of reasons why there's any trust placed between president trump and chairman kim because at the slightest blink he will walk away to whatever promise he made in the room. >> a lot of people including the president didn't understand what we were sacrificing in this diplomatic overtures. they like to see that kind of progress and i like to see why. we lost time. in the interim the north koreans produced bombs, continued to research on ballistic missile material. they didn't test anything but that doesn't mean they weren't
advancing this program. this regime has had a coming out party. he's now been greeted like a rock star in places like singapore and hanoi. it's much more integrated and its economic projects with the south koreans are proceeding the pace and beginning to be moving towards reopening there and kim is expected in seoul in the coming months. so we have lost something in this process and i can't see what we gained out of it. and if the north korea starts testing missiles we would have lost a lot. >> and we walked away from the summit and our intelligence showed that north korea continued with its missile testing. >> it goes to the fundamental flaw in the way president trump negotiates. he believes that having a good chemistry with somebody else is
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>> it's the only leverage they have in the world. >> the people who are critical of this process from the beginning were -- the argument against us is what would you want to do here? it's not like they're going to give up the nuclear weapons, what's the alternative? if you think that the only threat is nuclear weapons, engage and attempt to isolate or deter the nuclear threat. this supports exports narcotics. it is a multifacet etted threat. so the regime is what you should target. its stability. the effects of which the individual kim jong un has support in his regime. attack that. increase sanctions. the effort is to remove the regime not with military force but with stability. this is not a regime that has to last forever. >> i see over the shoulder we
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welcome back. joining us now is the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio. we've got a million questions to ask you especially in terms of what you're doing in terms of prevention and what's happening downtown after hurricane sandy, stopping some of the impacts of the next storm but i want to ask ask you first in response to what we're seeing in new zealand. what's being done to protect worshippers in our mosques? >> it is a horrifying attack in new zealand and causing a lot of pain and a lot of fear in the united states including the muslim community in new york city. it's a community that contributes a lot back.
we have 900 muslim officers in the nypd for example so a community that gives back to new york city. we're going to be protecting them today. nypd is going to be out in force. i'll be reaching out to muslim community leaders. it's like the attack in pittsbur pittsburgh, you can imagine what a member of any faith feels after they see a house of worship desecrated and made a killing ground. the community needs to know they will be protected and braced and so you'll see that in new york city today. you'll see a lot of protection. >> we were just discussing on the commercial break how terrible it is how many houses of worship we have to protect in response to these. i live next to a synagogue and every saturday morning there's a show of force from the nypd and the number of houses of worship continues to grow. >> and there's an intolerance that's being spread in this
country and this world. we see it in europe on vously as well and we have to defeat that. but in the meantime, we also have to show that we will protect people that a truly inclusive society doesn't just do it in words but in deeds. that we have that police presence. we show overtly the government is on the side of all faith communities. this is an american value. we did not have a single state religion. our founders were very clear about that. they said we would respect each faith. we would respect people who choose not to believe in a particular faith. we've got to live that now. leaders will now show up. they should do it all over the country, atmos mosques, but we' got to do it every single day. >> can i shift gears? as a new yorker i was deaf stated when we lost amazon. every one of those jobs had
taxes and dry cleaners. what's your responsibility in that? what could we have done differently because that should not have happened. >> we had a very fair deal with amazon. the governor and i came to an agreement with amazon. there was never any indication that they were thinking of leaving. they accepted the deal very publicly and there were criticisms raised. you're going to hear criticisms. some could have been easily answered and that's what we were trying to steer toward. >> and to me, aoc was so pathetic to hear her talk about that we're going to give 3 billion in cash. it's not cash obviously, but there are so many constituencies, yourself and the governor, shouldn't you have had those ducks lined up? >> every poll showed a clear majority believed that getting those 25,000 jobs and the huge amount of tax revenue that we
could have used for mass transsitz, education, public housing, that was clearly supported. there were relatively few voices against it. amazon made that decision. we would have happily worked with them to resolve and address the community issues but in the middle of nowhere we get a board room that they're taking the ball and going home. >> wasn't about the state senate and the board's effort to create the person on this board who has to approve this project, but it really was the compliance issue that was going to make this a much bigger lobbying issue. >> >> it was well known that that was resolvable. that the govern nar had the right to adjust that situation. this was going to move forward. it had clear popular support. unfortunately amazon confirmed everyone's worst fears by leaving a community high and dry. we've got to put this clearly where it belongs. had amazon wanted to continue a dialog this project would have been moving forward.
>> one of the reasons they were considering it was because they were getting tax relief. it's so expensive to be in new york and you need those incentives, that was 3 billion. now you have the hudson yards opening which is fantastic news for new york. with over $5 billion in incentives and we never heard anything and now i guess i just want to piggy back that on to you going to new hampshire tomorrow and ask you, do you believe in the capitalist system? >> i believe in -- i'm a social democrat. i believe that we're living in a capitalist system that has strengths and weaknesses and we have to address them in government. the federal government has substantially consistently put wealth in the hands of the 1%. that's why i say very clearly, we have an opportunity to this year out loud say our national
government from ronald reagan to present has continued to empower the 1% through the powers of federal government. they have not benefitted so i say there's plenty of money in this world and there's plenty of money in this country but it's in the wrong hands and we have to have policies that give people a chance again by redistributing some of that money back to working people. >> so do you consider yourself a capitalist? >> i consider myself a social democrat. >> so not a capitalist. you don't believe in capitalism. >> i'm not saying that my friend. we're living in a capitalist society. i identify as a social democrat. a new deal democrat, i believe liberation theology has been an important influence on my life. what is fairness, what are we here to do in this world? we're not here to have government policies that make the rich richer while working people work harder than ever and get less and less back.
>> but you allow hudson yards to come forward. >> that as you know was made in the previous administration. >> so why is the failure of amazon not indicative of the social democratic view toward capitalism. >> they were urged there. >> absolutely disagree with that respectfully. first i think we could all say that unusual things were happening within the amazon family at that moment in time. and that was said politely. there was clearly some unusual factors happening. we know who the ultimate decision makers wereful. >> you think his affair had something to do with that? >> what does that mean in relation to the deal? >> it means that a deal was struck and that deal was moving forward for weeks and weeks and weeks. no one discussed anything changes. >> but the city council didn't approve the zoning on it. >> and they did not need to and
that was clear from the beginning. a deal was struck, governor and i, we happened to be the two most important office holders in terms of the popular votes we received. we both have been recently re-elected. we said let's got 25,000 jobs. let's get all the money that can help us to do the things to create a fairer society, deal was struck, deal was moving forward. in the end, anyone around this table if you are having a problem with the deal you announced publicly you would have picked up the phone and we would have worked through the problems. >> the reason the vote was not going to be for 18 months. >> that's not the truth and it was well known that that vote was going to move forward. >> you floated something out that we've got to pin you down on. you believe his affair -- >> no, there was a lot of cross pressures, a lot of things going
on. >> like what? >> you're going to figure it out yourself. >> i think have i figured it out. >> the facts are, a decision was made very arbitrarily. we had an agreement, the agreement was moving forward and suddenly it wasn't. that's all i'm saying and in the end it comes down to we have to have a commitment to trying to empower working people. we were trying to do that with a lot of jobs and i'm a progressive, and they want quality jobs and this to me -- if this discussion had played out further you would have seen the popular support grow. there was majority support for this from day one. by the way, there was a skew in that support. there was more support for working class people than there was for people that had to have more money. there was more support from people of color looking for
opportunity for their families so there's no question in my mind, our job is to create sobs and good paying jobs. >> do you believe that was a big loss for new york city? >> unquestionably but not a decision made by new york city or new york state in the end. we've seen arbitrary decision making in our day. this was extraordinary. >> so your fellow lawmakers celebrating this are wrong? >> of course they're wrong. >> i want to get to one more thing. i want to nail down one more time, you believe that part of the reason perhaps this deal unravelled is because of what was happening sbrnlly at am von with the ceo. >> there was a lot of turmoil. >> the turmoil was an affair. >> over many things. >> you clearly are suggesting that. >> i've just said what i've said. >> let me ask you about the resiliency plan for lower manhattan. we all saw, we all lived through twapd in 2012 with hurricane
sandy. what's the idea here? how do you put it into place and what do you hope it will prevent? >> the idea is that we have to deal with the threat of global warming. that's no clie gnat deniers hardly left in new york city. sandy, 44 lives lost, $19 billion in property damage. thousands of people lost their home. people get it now and we've got to be serious about protecting lower manhattan. 75% of our subway lines go through there. there ooesomany things, the center of global finance. there's no national policy right now, willie, there's no national policy to truly fight global warming but there's no national resiliency policy. i was down in south carolina. miami is threatened. new york city is threatened. new orleans we hardly have to say. >> what's going to happen downtown? >> it means a $10 billion initiative to literally extend
the land of lower manhattan out into the east river and build up. >> we've got a graphic here. >> that whole area is going to be extended out. build more land, put it higher and protect the financial district and lower manhattan where hundreds of thousands of jobs and residences are. this isn't the federal government saying this is probably the most sensitive important locations as the entire nation and we're going to help you. there's not even a hint of a national resiliency plan. we have to do it ourselves. >> and the money comes from where? >> we're going to start down the road and do the planning with our own money as new york city but we can't afford $10 billion. i hope the next election leads to a leader who's ready to have a national resiliency policy for tens of millions of people. >> thank you for leading me to my question.
are you still considering running for president? >> i have not ruled it out and i'll be talking about the same point that i made if money is being concentrated on 1% and working people are not getting their fair share, we have to say out loud there's plenty of money and we need policies that are going to change that. i talked to a variety of audiences and people respond to this point. they want democrats to stop being halfway on this point. they want democrats to be honest that federal policies have made the 1% richer than before and we've got to reverse them. >> we have to consider the possibility that he's running for people. >> you are a deep and insightful man. >> thanks for being here. >> how yesterday's vote on the president's border wall declaration is raising big questions about the balance of power in washington.
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approved the resolution to overturn his national emergency declaration on the border wall. lawmakers approved the rebuke of the president yesterday in a vote of 59-41. nine republicans said they would support the measure but that grew raising the total number of republicans voting in favor of the bill and against the president to 12. one republican who did not end up voting yes, tom tillis of north carolina who reversed course minutes before the vote and stood by the president after previously expressing his support of the bill. senate democrats still are short of the 67 votes that would be needed to override a veto by president trump. of the 22 republican senate seats up for grabs in 2020, all but susan collins of maine stood
with the president on this matter. so jennifer ruben, your reaction here? i saw some disappointment not just from you but other conservatives online and others who say they are constitutional con sefbtives here. >> i am disappointed but not surprised. i think this is sort of peak of supineness for republicans. this is the corruption of the republican party that people have tossed whatever principles they had, whatever standards they sad and they are twist themselves like a pretzel to justify anything that will keep them in line with the president. when you have somebody who writes books about character and about the constitution and he puts out a pathetic written statement justifying weekly this vote, you know that that's just a corrupted soul and what is the purpose really if you're going
to sell your soul and remain in the senate to literally consign your powers, consign your obligations to the executive branch, what really is the purpose? so on one hand i'm pleased that you could find 12 souls that are not beyond redemption, but it's pathetic that the rest of them should go down this road and i think they will pay a political price. you have people like gardener, tom tillis who really just made a fool of himself in this reversal which is sort of mind numbing. you have people who are going to be on the ballot in 2020 and no one vote, perhaps a vote 18 months ahead of the election is too much. i think the perception is these people have been weak. they have enabled and depending upon who the top of the ticket is we could see some really tremendous numbers in the senate for the democrats as well. >> the most interesting case is tom tillis.
he wrote an op ed in the washington post. he gave a speech on the floor of the senate explaining why -- why they have to vote. senators must vote. you must vote to knock down this declaration of national emergency. he called himself a steward of the article 1 branch, to curb the executive overreach congress has allowed to fester for the better part of the past century. and yet yesterday, he didn't put in his vote the whe'd been speaking to his colleagues. >> interest sg one word. the kind of craven instincts that jennifer was talking about is in senator tillis, extremely disapointing. he talked about how intellectual honesty compelled him and he put out the statement yesterday in
which nothing changed. a lot of other republicans went with him. tom tillis moved. he said well at least the president told me he would support in efforts to amend the law so a future leftist president couldn't corrupt the constitution in the matter that he'd done. if it's motivated by politics, you can see that. he's up in 2020. the only person who voted against this is sue collins. everybody else said no. >> here are the 12 republicans who supported the vote. those are the 12 republicans who
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the connecticut supreme court has cleared the way for the femme whether is of victims of the 2012 sandy hook school massacre to move ahead with their lawsuit against the recommendi remington arms company. the company advertised messages of combat. the case will head back to the lower court for further proceedings. that coincides with the breaking news from new zealand where dozens of people were gunned down in a mass shooting. that atrocity was circulated
online. police there are urging people not to share it and working to have the footage removed from the web. we recently sat down with andy parker whose daughter, news reporter allison parker and her cameraman were shot and killed during a live interview. andy since has become a leading advocate for national gun reform and has pushed to remove footage of his daughter's murder. we begin by asking andy to talk about his daughter. >> she's remarkable. i mean, she really was truly this very special person. and i think the easiest thing to -- way to describe her is that you've heard this expression before but she was beautiful outside clearly, but she was equally as beautiful inside. she inspired people. she touched so many people's lives and i just appreciated
hearing stories about her that i never heard before that i share in the book. and you know, that's one of the reasons that i wrote it was to give people an opportunity to know more about her and that smiling face. listen, she -- this book was as much her gift to me as it was mine to her. >> andy, where were you and what were you doing on the morning that you lost part of your life? >> i was asleep. but that morning, you know, my wife got a call, and she woke me up and it was her boyfriend. he said there has been a shooting, we're not sure what's going on, but we think it's serious and we'll let you know and that was essentially how the whole day started and it went downhill from there. >> you mentioned you'd watch it online later.
unfortunately tragically, the tape of your daughter's death is online. >> yeah, it's there in perpetuity. i'm trying to get it removed and i'm in the process right now. i've engaged thankfully the georgetown university civil rights law clinic, they are helping me in my fight with google to get this stuff removed, to get that video removed because it's a murder. it's, you know, not that much different than daniel pearl's beheading. it's not as graphic but it's still graphic. it's a murder that google should not be, you know, it shouldn't be on there. >> it's obscene. >> it is obscene and you know, not only that, but google has put the burden and the onus on me and other people, you know, others like me in terms of these conspiracy theories to flag this
content. imagine someone telling you, you need to watch every single video of your daughter's murder and all the other related content and you have to tell us why we shouldn't keep this up. the only people that i know of that would do this is maybe isis. so it is -- it's sociopathic and that's exactly the way google has operated. they eve been very arbitrary in their decisions to remove this content and that's why georgetown is on my side and we're taking them on. we insist that they remove this stuff. and it's kind of unprecedented. nobody's ever tackled this before. >> let's hope they do the right thing in this case. you are at a position now that we've seen so many family members of gun victims have to be in. you're mourning but you turn your mourning and grief into advocacy. we've seen the sandy hook
families become gun control advocates. what do you hope to see change? >> i wrote this book, it's to honor her through action and i think that's what a lot of people in my position, you know, the parkland kids, you know, that's what they've done as well and i think we're seeing some meaningful action being taken. you know, the first gun legislation on background checks in 20 years in the house of representatives. now, you know, is it going to go anywhere in the senate? probably not. even if it did, you foe, trump has threatened to veto it because he's in the pocket of the nra. so we don't necessarily anticipate it going any further. i'd be shocked if it did. it would be great if it did but the reality is, it's sending a message.
and what we're saying is that if you can't change their minds we're going to change your seats and that's exactly what happened in the midterms and that's what's going to happen in 2020. >> and that issue of changing minds and changing seats we did see people run in the midterms and run against the nra, against candidates backed by the nra. one of them of course was allison's fiance chris who you mentioned earlier who ran as a delegate in virginia. he won and i think the candidate he ran against and beat had been an nra backed candidate. >> that's correct. >> so we're starting to see a shift through the actions of people like you and your family and chris who are taking on this course? >> i definitely see a shift and when chris ran in 2017, democrats picked up 15 seats in the house. it was unprecedented. 97% of the people in this country want tougher gun laws in this country. i mean, you can't get 97% of the
people to say that mother's day is something good. but they want gun control and they want it now. >> and even among nra members background checks is spl. this book is a beautiful tribute to your daughter. i remember when this happened but i didn't know alison and none of us new here personally but we felt we lost a member of our family from journalism in the news business and heartbreaking for us and i can't imagine how it feels to you but this is a wonderful book and tribute to her. >> that. >> the book is "for alison, a fight for gun safety." andy parker, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we will be right back with more "morning joe." whether it's for this job, this job or even this job, should be as easy as... what about this? changing your plans. nothing runs like a deere. yeah. run with us. search "john deere 1 series" for more.
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♪ investigators continue to probe what caused last sunday's drel deadly crash of a plane in ethiopia and now the company has suspended delivers of the boeing jets amid questions over safety concern. sooner sarah, good morning. we know boeing was in touch with president trump appealing to him not to ground the plane but eventually the president did. >> absolutely. the latest boeing deliveries have been paused. the 737 max jets. as far as what it's meant for the company, boeing stock had its worst week in years down more than 11%. in fact, the stock is down more than 12% from the highs before the ethiopian air crash. what now? we don't know how long this
grounding is going to last. we are waiting for data to be analyzed from the black boxes from the ethiopia air crash that is currently going on in paris. the u.s. has sent some investigators to help. as far as airlines we are watching impacted is southwest turns out will be most impacted as far as the u.s. planes. it has 34 of the 72 u.s.-based max planes in production. so tough week for boeing. a loss of more than 27 billion dollars in market cap as a result of questions about the reputational damage for the company and whether there is going to be any liabilities and actually whether boeing is going to be on the hook to pay some of these airlines and, of course, some of the victims of the crashes. also wanted to turn your attention to facebook. i know you du bois have been talking a lot about it. some of the sort of harrowing images and streaming events from the attack on the mosque in new zealand. news inside sweep for facebook.
two key executives have departed and that is raising questions for investors this morning. chris cox and chris daniels. the chief product officer for facebook and the head of what's app. a week after facebook is pivoting its business toward private messaging in reacting to the privacy scandals but investors wonder when key executives depart whether is there a problem. the chief product officer was in charge of all the main apps. last year he was one of the most important executives not named zuckerberg. after a report in "the times" week that facebook is under criminal investigation by federal prosecutors from the eastern district of new york in regard to some of its data sharing partnerships it did with other big tech companies and device makers. no slowdown in the drip around scandal for this company. >> yeah. the privacy questions linger
over facebook. cnbc sarah issen, thank you. let's pass it around the table for the remaining minutes. donnie deutsche, i'm on instagram here because where the kids hang out. is that where they hang out? a long time ago. i don't remember. donnie deutsche posted a picture of himself with mayor blair de blasio. this queens boy might be a pretty good guy for his job in 2021. just thinking i love nyc. donnie deutsche for mayor? >> to be honest, i'm touched and people come up to me. i love the city. it's a year away. to me amazon is an example we can have both sides. i would explain to people the hundreds of thousands of jobs and there is a middle ground. i'm a guy from the streets.
i care so deeply for people but i understand business. i don't know. it's a year away. but it's something i've toyed with. >> really? >> okay. i just love -- i would love it and think it would be great. i don't know. >> you've given this thought, obviously. >>? i have and i don't know if i want to or want to put my family through it. i'll revisit it a year from now. kidding aside, i've kicked around. >> donnie is making other news. he's on the season premiere of "billions" this sunday playing himself. >> no one comes up to me on the street and says "you should run for mayor of new york." get the hell out of my way. big day for donnie. what about what we heard from mayor dah blaeblas deblasio he affairs behind jeff bezos is the
reason the deal fell through with amazon. >> the problem here for amazon was that the incentives did not match the extent to which it has become a lobbying problem and state senate as he acknowledged had turned against this. this had become a bigger investment for them and they wanted it to. people like alexander cortez who said this is a victory because somehow this money that doesn't exist yet and hasn't been paid into the coffers is reinvested in new york city have a flawed understanding of what economics is. bill deblasio edged in that direction of criticizing but they are awful travelers and both democratic socialists and go only so far. >> it's pathetic deflection, frankly. a reason amazon is not here. obviously, there was other issues at hand. but taxes are too expensive. it's too hard to do business and he couldn't make a deal. >> last word to you, mayor deutsche? >> you got woody harrelson on
sunday. "today" show on sunday. >> you can't talk to a more fun guy. i went to austin, texas, he is premiering latest movie on netflix. do i have to say more? >> the big gets, they stop at willie. >> thank you, mr. mayor. i appreciate it. >> thank you, all. that does it for us. stephanie rule picks up the coverage. >> good morning. i'm stephanie rule starting with terror. terror in new zealand. at least 49 people dead with dozens more injured after gunman opened fire inside two mosques in the city of christ church. four people are now in custody. as normally peaceful nation is rocked with unspeakable vils. violence. >> bloody spitting on me. splashing on me and i'm thinking, oh, my god, oh, my god, it's going it happen to me now but fortunately i'm alive. a