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in an alleged manifesto about the u.s. >> it is clear that this is one of new zealand's darkest days. >> i was hearing the shooting, the shooting, the shooting. >> i don't know how many people died. overruled. president trump expected to issue his first veto today after a stinging rebuke from fellow republicans in the senate over his national emergency declaration. >> we must stand up and defend congress' institutional powers. >> this for me is a matter of of defending the constitution and the balance of powers. >> the use of national emergency powers to circumvent congress' explicit decision on funding is unprecedented. and they're off and running. the 2020 race for the white house moves into higher gear with candidates descending on early voting states and all the buzz now centered on beto.
>> what do you uniquely bring to the table? >> we were able to put texas in play. and frankly, for the next nominee, 38 electoral votes in play. and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell in washington, as we all try to comprehend the dimensions of this horrific anti-muslim attack in new zealand. at least 49 people were killed, several more, including young children, were injured in the mass shootings at two mosques in central christchurch, new zealand. officials say three people are now in custody. one man has been charged with murder. police sources tell our australian partners channel 7 that the suspect is identified as 28-year-old brendan tarrant. tarrant identified himself as an australian native, listed his white nationalist heroes including dylann roof who of course killed nine
african-american worshippers in charlestown, south carolina in 2015. he also wrote an answer to a rhetorical answer to a question he asked himself as to whether he supports donald trump. he wrote, as a symbol, sure, as a policy leader, dear god, no. it started at the al noor mosque where more than 40 were killed during friday prayers. three miles away, a second mosque at linwood was also targeted. police have not said whether the same gunmen was involved in that attack. officials found two improved explosive devices attached to a vehicle that was stopped. in a horrifying twist, police say the gunman streamed the massacre live from a body cam. we will not show that video. witnesses described the unimaginable horror. >> there were many injured,
bullets everywhere. >> it went on about six minutes or more. and i could hear screaming and crying. i saw some people, you know, drop dead. >> i'm so scared, i knew that it's one of the safest places to live in, but now i don't know what will happen. >> joining me now is nbc's sarah james in christ church, new zealand, with the very latest. sarah? >> reporter: well, andrea, this is a scene that is quiet at this moment but really this entire city is reeling and indeed the entire nation. i'm standing in front of the main christchurch hospital. and in addition to the 49 people who were killed when this gunman
opened fire, many other people were injured, including children and many of them are here in this hospital, where teams of medical professionals have been working very hard indeed to try to save their lives. the operating theaters have been full. they have been doing everything that they can. this hospital is not very far away from where the attack took place, the very first one just across the park, about a mile from where i'm standing, where the gunman opened fire. and of course there are questions about the identity and who this alleged gunman is, who was the one who opened fire. the name that is coming out connected with the manifesto is brenton tarrant. the prime minister of australia has confirmed that an australian man is at the center of this.
he worked as a personal trainer at a gym in new south wales, australia. we'll learn a lot more in court later this morning, in just a few hours. it's about 5:00 in the morning here in new zealand at this hour, so we'll learn more about what exactly happened. one thing i want to mention, andrea, is that investigation will be taking place here in new zealand and it is also going to be taking place in australia, because they want to know how this happened. these individuals, there are three in custody, but certainly the main gunman wasn't on any terror watch list. so what happened and where did these weapons come from? indeed this is one of the safest countries in the world and this is the worst mass shooting that's ever happened in new zealand. another point to make, and this is both about the prime minister here in new zealand and also in australia, jacinda ardern
pointed out that in this country they have welcomed migrants and refugees and she said these are our families, these people are us, and those who have brought this terrorism, they are not us, we condemn them. there has been similarly strong rhetoric from scott morrison, the prime minister of australia, calling this out as terrorism and taking a very firm stand against right wing extremism and violent hate crimes and that is how it is being regarded here in this part of the world. we'll know more when we see the alleged gunman in court. the case will be followed here in new zealand and australia. andrea? >> our veteran correspondent sara james who has such valuable context, thank you, sara.
joining me now, michael leiter, msnbc senior national security analyst. the horror of this is unspeakable, but the gun laws there are so rigid, they do door to door checks. the australia is one of the five i's, one of our intelligence partners. this guy was on no one's radar. >> this is so heartbreaking. it would be heartbreaking anywhere, but for those of us who have worked in new zealand and been to new zealand for intelligence, security, it's even more heartbreaking. it's such a small country, the trauma is difficult to explain. the point about watch listing and guns, remember guns are more accessible in new zealand than in australia. australia banned guns after a mass shooting several years ago. >> they had a big turn-in. >> that's right.
there's a possibility he actually planned this in new zealand because of the availability of guns. the ties between new zealand and the rest of the five i's, canada, the united states, the uk, is incredibly close on these issues. but there's big "but" here. those terrorism apparatuses, the wash listing, have focused almost entirely on international terrorism and violent islamic extremism. and they haven't focused nearly as much on right ring terrorism. that right wing terrorism. the united states is now surpassing islamic extremism as the leading cause of terrorism death. >> in fact in that region broadly, broadly speaking, the philippines, we have isis now, we've had al qaeda, and its offshoots. as you point out, it's the islamic groups that have been the chief focus of watch lists. >> absolutely.
>> and not white nationalist. >> that's absolutely right. in part that's because the nationalism and right wing violence that we've seen has tended to be isolated to individual countries. so you need less of a watch list because we're not talking about people traveling. but what we see from this attack, and it's been just this attack, we saw with dylann roof and other instances, is right wing nationalist violence is also becoming international. and the splintering of societies into more extreme divisions, those divisions are connecting over social media. it's the splintering within the nations and the weaving together of right wing nationalist sentiments across the internet. that's the piece that makes this extremely troubling and nations like the five i's, the u.s., uk, canada, australia, and for
instance france and germany as well, have to start thinking about it. >> we have not independently confirmed the manifesto, authorities there have. he writes, this conflict over the second amendment, so this is a reference to us, and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war. he goes on, the twitter posts, i should point out, showed that weapons covered in the names of past military generals and men who have previously carried out mass shootings. he's tying this together exactly as you pointed out. joe biden has also apparently sent a tweet out today, whether it is anti-semitism in pittsburgh, racism in charlottesville or islamophobia,
xenophobia -- i'm sorry, i don't have the followup to this. he's just continuing to say, in christchurch, suffering from today's senseless violence, friday, prayers for those gathered, their mosques have seen families torn apart by hate. he also is talking about, we cannot stand by as mosques are turned into murder scenes. silence is complicity. our children are listening. the time to speak out is now. apologies for the delay on that, but you can see it on the secret. screen. we all need to speak out. >> absolutely. we all know how this works. because some of the same trends, the same ways these things occurred in violent islamic extremism, are now applying themselves to right wing extremism. it is a feeling of isolation, identifying of the other that is causing harm. and then finding other like-minded individuals and
increasingly becoming more and more radicalized before you become mobilized. we see this consistently in right wing extremism. and the weaving across national boundaries using social media is something that for governments and clearly for the companies, the tech companies that are involved, is a huge crisis. >> let me just quickly ask you about the disconnect that could take place among our intelligence services. we know that they have stood closely together despite the criticisms from the president and other disputes. but most recently, our ambassador to germany has threatened to withhold intelligence sharing from the germans if they go ahead and use huawei technology from china which we believe is suspect and very vulnerable. those kinds of threats. we understand there haven't been similar threats between us or any of our officials and the brits who are so importantly involved. but so go against a nato ally in
europe with this kind of written letter and public -- to create public fissures, how does that help us? >> i don't believe it does. and i think ambassador grennell has obviously been pretty strong-willed and strong-voiced in germany in ways that have not always been necessarily productive. i will say the intelligence relationships across the atlantic still remain quite deep and quite strong. often you have these diplomatic spats and it is the intelligence community which keeps these relationships going through difficult political times. all that being said, what we see is a bit of a crisis in the west about how to address growing chinese economic, political, diplomatic, and military influence. and huawei is one piece of the threat from the u.s.'s perspective, and we are just getting the europeans up to our speed on what that threat is. >> and he does have a point, that they are not responding as
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after the president voted yesterday to reject his national emergency declaration at the southern border. now it would of course be up to them to override but they won't have the votes because they only had 59. they would need 67. 12 republican senators cross ee party lines yesterday in a sharp rebuke to the president. joining me now, correspondent geoff bennett and political analyst peter baker. geoff, the president made it clear, he issued an immediate tweet yesterday just with "veto" in all caps. so he's going to veto this. and from his perspective, what is the purpose in vetoing this and dismissing the objections of his own republicans? what does that gain him politically? >> the president used this entire thing, andrea, as a political winner and the latest indication of that is he's going to use his veto pen for the first time publicly later in the afternoon when he sends the bill back down the other side of
pennsylvania avenue, back to capitol hill. the president views this as a political winner. in any other universe, in any other administration you would have to imagine a president would recoil from this sort of thing, a stinging rebuke, 12 members of his own party siding with the opposition. i'm told the president tried to limit defections. he made calls, personal pleas. he tried to put on the pressure to the more vulnerable senate republicans. in the end it didn't work for constitutional conservatives who thought that the president was overstepping his authority. the other complicating factor here is that legal experts point out that because congress has already stated its will and because the president is now vetoing it, it complicates the standing legal challenges. it makes it much easier for the opposing parties to say that the president is subverting the constitutional balance of power now that congress has made it clear where they stand. >> and peter, there are a lot of
political implications as well, because the senate has now shown that republicans will go against the president, not in great numbers, but you saw 12 here, you also saw them voting 54 votes, which involved some republicans switching over as well, on the whole question of rearming the saudi-led war in yemen. you had republicans unanimously in the house joining democrats to say that the mueller report should be made public. is this the beginning of a cracking of the ice of republican support for the president on the hill? >> well, it's interesting, of course in the past there had often been a dichotomy between a president and a congress, even if the congress was the same party, because they have two institutional interests that are not always the same. that hasn't been the case in recent years where each party has stuck with their president if their president was in power. now you're seeing a more -- you know, a more institutional view on the part of republicans, saying we may agree with you on the border wall, we just don't
think you have the power to override the power of the congress when it doesn't give you the power you want. i think you're right, the yemen vote, the mueller vote, indicate a growing independence on the part of at least some of these republicans as we head deeper into president trump's presidency. we now see they don't have to follow him on every single issue, they're a little less intimidated perhaps on some of these questions where they actually have pretty strong views of their own. >> and peter, it's also the case, though, that only someone senator up for reelection voted against the president, that's susan collins of maine, blue state maine. and cory gardner who voted with the president, who was chastised today by "the denver post" saying they endorsed senator gardner for reelection back in 2014 because they believed he would be a statesman, we knew he would be a conservative voice in congress but we thought his voice would bring fresh
leadership, energy, and ideas. that's a pretty sharp slap against cory gardner who had been previously endorsed by "the denver post." >> that's exactly right. those who face reelection next year are still wary of him. just because the president has been slapped around by some of his fellow republicans doesn't mean he doesn't continue to be a powerful figure in his party. remember, a gallup poll showed him to be at 90% support from republicans. if you're running for reelection, you have to walk a line of asserting independence without necessarily angering the people who are going to come out and vote for you. >> it's significant how the white house lobbied senate republicans to stick with him, they lost 12, but not more than 12, externcertainly not enough override a veto. it's important, geoff, that he's likely to do this today, he has
ten days to do it but he's going to do it right away within this news cycle and be on the record after his visit to the pentagon this morning. peter baker, geoff bennett, as always, thanks to both. and coming up, the contenders. a busy friday as democratic candidates barnstorm the early primary states. live reports from iowa and new hampshire coming up next. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. a mitchell reports" on msnbc. making my dreams a reality
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the democratic presidential primary race is kicking into high gear with 2020 hopefuls leapfrogging in primary states and caucus states. beto o'rourke officially opened his campaign with a blitz in the crucial state of iowa. joining me now, msnbc's garrett haak haake, in iowa with beto o'rourke. and here with me, michael steele, former republican national chair and msnbc political analyst. former democratic congressman, joe crowley, former chair of the democratic caucus. in iowa, garrett, beto's celebrity swing around iowa yesterday, again today, some criticism that he didn't answer policy questions but he's certainly creating a lot of
buzz. >> yeah, that's absolutely right, andrea. i have to say, in his first stop today, at least the first stop we were able to get to today because his campaign isn't advising all of his stops, he was much more specific about policy questions, talking about the importance of raising the minimum wage federally to $15 an hour, about the importance of universal health care that's not necessarily medicare for all, he got into the discrepancies there a little bit. and he defended the idea that he's not a true progressive. this is something that he's been dinged a little bit on from the left. i was talking to a bernie sanders supporter here, he told me he very much wanted to ask that question about his progressive record. o'rourke defended the fact that he served in the minority in congress and he needed, to get anything done, to work with republicans. i expect he'll continue to face those questions today. to his credit, he's taking questions from the voters and from the press basically at every stop, trying to address those things head-on as he barn storms through the southeast
corner of this first caucus state. >> ali have i tvitali is with k gillibrand in new hampshire. ali? >> andrea, kirsten gillibrand had these "me too" allegations within her office. there were questions reported by politico on how her office handled these. i got a chance to ask her about it. >> we took these allegations very seriously. we opened an investigation immediately. and we did a thorough investigation. we did not find sexual harassment but we did find derogatory comments and the employee was punished for those derogatory comments. but we took it very seriously. and this particular employee is valued. she is loved in our office. and i told her so personally. >> kirsten gillibrand is someone who, as you know, was one of the leaders of the "me too" movement
on the hill, specifically in the aftermath of senator al franken's "me too" moment. she, controversially, urged him to resign. here on the campaign trail voters don't seem focused on that controversy, instead they're focused on the issues, specifically climate change and the environment, here in portsmouth. she was here to do a town hall style event on water quality. her method is to talk policy and take every question, and she's not afraid to get into the weeds. her campaign seems to be aware that she doesn't have the star power that beto o'rourke and others in the field have, so they're trying to gin up some grassroots support. >> thank you so much, ali vitali and garrett haake. here at the table, let's take a look at the field as it's evolving, kirsten gillibrand now all in. the plusses and minuses of gil gillibra gillibrand, she's from new york but doesn't have any new york
delegation members supporting her. she ran into slack because of her criticisms of bill clinton and al franken. >> that's a little bit of an albatross for her. there's still unsettled feelings on how that narrative played out. i think a lot of folks not just in the political space but average americans are still trying to feel their way through that. so how she continues to address the issue of sexual harassment, and again, with these allegations popping up around her own office, i think will slow that ability for her to really catch the kind of fire she wants to catch up to, a beto, a kamala, or a cory booker. >> i wanted to show you the celebrity factor with beto o'rourke. he debuts with a "vanity fair" cover, dave weigel having pointed this out on twitter, this is an annie leibovitz
cover. >> he's no reagan, let's just be clear. >> joe, he starts with a head start, really, he's behind some of the other candidates, we'll see what kind of money he raises, but he did so well in texas, whether he can expand that beyond the borders of his own state. he did well in fundraising against ted cruz. but this kind of launch, that annie leibovitz cover and his own video, it's unprecedented for a one-term congressman. >> i think it is. >> i should say, not one-term. six years. >> six years, he's term limited. i think he's touching into a new generation of people. he is new but he made a big splash in that texas race. his use of technology is ahead of most of these candidates as well. >> also a lot was made of the president's response when asked about beto o'rourke's hand
gestures. we showed you just today or yesterday, his use of hands. let's take a look at what the president had to say and beto's response to gayle king on "cbs this morning." >> reporter: your reaction to beto o'rourke's announcement? >> well, i think he's got a lot of hand movement. i've never seen that much hand movement. i said, is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? >> i'm pretty animated. >> i call that passion. >> i remember when we were exchan campaigning in texas, someone pulled me aside and said, i want to move around too much when you talk. i am who i am. >> he is who he is, and our friends on brian williams, "the 11th hour," took a look at a selected few of the president's hand gestures. >> i don't know if you saw the other day we have the little boats going out.
bing, bing, bing, bing. bing, bing, bong. bong, bong. bing, bong. bing, bing, bong. >> huh. bing, bing. >> bing, bing, bing. you know what that is, right? and they're going to say, oh, man, this guy's frickin' crazy, we give up, we give up. >> what can i say? i don't even know how to talk about this. bing, bing, bong, bong. >> we have our hands folded so we don't gesticulate too much. i'm from new york and i use my hands all the time. >> i'm jewish, and i use my hands all the time. >> of course. not a misstatement, it was perfect. and i think that's also something not to underestimate about him. he's a pretty smart guy. he knows what he says. and he gets across what he wants
to get across. >> he's a smart guy but he's not been tested. >> true. >> he's in a race where -- i mean, the ted cruz race in texas is not what he's going to encounter here. the test is how do you carve out that center-right space -- or center-left space, rather, in the democratic party, when the party's leadership and clearly the other candidates are pushing and pulling more progressive. and he's beginning to answer some of that. but he's not on stage with them. >> he's scaring bernie, bernie's people are attacking him right now because they're afraid of what he brings to this race. he's new, he's vibrant, he's different. >> i'm not convinced that bernie is afraid of beto o'rourke, i'm not convinced that any candidate is afraid of any other candidate at this point because they've not had to engage each other. we'll see what he does on monday, we'll see what he does on organization and all those other mechanics. but i'm just not convinced that
anyone is scared of the other at this point. they're all kind of elbowing, carving out their space, setting their course, as we talked about with kirsten gillibrand earlier, trying to get that i.d. up with those voters in iowa, new hampshire, et cetera. and then we'll see who's afraid of who. >> and waiting with bated breath for joe biden. >> that changes everything, when joe biden comes in. >> not enough lanes but a lot of candidates. irish eyes are smiling on our friend joe crowley, you've got the tie, tomorrow is your birthday and it's st. patrick's day this weekend. >> thank you. >> and to garrett haake, of course, and ali vitali as well. coming up, north korea suspending nuclear talks. ambassador william burns joins me next. and later today, the person charged in that horrific mosque shooting will be in court. stay with us for all the latest from new zealand right here on
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welcome back. today north korea threatening to suspend nuclear talks and resume missile testing. the first comments from pyongyang since the failed hanoi summit, blaming secretary of state mike pompeo and national security adviser john bolton for the president's refusal to lift all sanctions in exchange for only a partial deal. but the north korean official was careful not to fault the president himself saying the chemistry between trump and kim is still, quote, mysteriously wonderful. really? joining me now, ambassador william burns, former deputy secretary of state who served under five presidents and ten secretaries of state including having been our ambassador to russia, among other major posts. he steered the secret back channel diplomacy with iran that ultimately led to the iran nuclear deal. he's the author of the new book "the back channel: a memoir of
american diplomacy and the case for its renewal." great to have you here. >> it's nice to be here. >> we've seen recent imagery suggesting that north korea is reconstructing sites that kim had promised in singapore to dismantle. we don't know what the intentions are. obviously it's better to talk than to be yelling back and forth about my nuclear button and rocketman and the other diatribes. but does this illustrate the flaws underlying personal diplomacy in the world of donald trump? >> i think it does to some extent. what the north koreans are doing over the last 24 hours is sort of out of their classic playbook which is to use bluster and threats to try to position themselves for advantage. but i think the underlying flaw here has been a diplomatic approach that's i think less focused on the hard work of
diplomacy and more on a kind of diplomacy of narcissism. in a way the hanoi summit was a dose of reality. i don't think there's any chance in the foreseeable future that kim jong-un is going to fully denuclearize, it's too essential to his security, his stature, his survival. it should remain an aspirational goal, full denuclearization, but until then, how can we reduce the dangers? >> since kim is the only decisionmaker in his society, what's the point of doing all the hard work with working groups, the work that has normally been done before a summit? i've got to get in the room with him and create this relationship. >> you can do both, obviously. and just focusing on that personal relationship and the kind kind of triumphalism of love
letters is not going to get you any practical benefits. you can learn lessons from the nuclear diplomacy with iran. what we produced out of those secret talks in 2013, working with our allies and partners, was an interim deal which froze the iranian nuclear program, which didn't have any nuclear weapons and still doesn't, by contrast to north korea, rolled it back in some respects, introduced monitoring and verification measures, socht, a sanctions relief, preserving the leverage we needed for comprehensive talks. if you set aside the irony, given the administration's venn venomous view of the iranian negotiations. >> what about the president meeting with vladimir putin,
with no note-taker, all these pull does s pull-asides, taking putin's say-so over our own analysts. >> at helsinki, they basically tried to ingratiate himself with putin while throwing u.s. intelligence gathering and law enforcement agencies under the bus, that's seen by putin and others around the world as weakness and manipulability. >> we saw the reaction of our european allies to warsaw and munich. are they planning regime change? what are they planning to do from your analysis?
>> well, from what i can understand, the current administration's approach to iran is less about getting a better deal and about building enough pressure, unilateral american pleasuressure, to prod capitulation or implosion of that regime. i think we can do a lot of damage to their economy but i don't think we're going to do enough to cause that hard th theocratic regime to capitulate. meantime we're widening the fissure with our own european allies, doing putin's work for him, and undermining the sanctions. >> the warning that you made to secretary powell about iraq, we are replicating some of same mistakes, but before the iraq war, your memo, which has now been declassified, you and other
diplomats warned that if you took down saddam hussein, chaos would follow. >> my colleagues and i just tried to highlight, you know, the downsides and the complexities, the day after saddam hussein's iraq. we didn't get it all right, we got lots of things wrong in that memo, our vision was imperfect as well. but we were trying to puncture the triumphalism in the run-up to the war in iraq. and you hear those same assumptions from the administration today, the ease with which things would flow on the day after. if there's anything i've learned, the mideast is the region of unintended consequences and they're rarely uplifting. you have to be careful. >> a very tough warning. from all the wisdom and experience you've had. i hope you come back men times to talk to us. the book is "the back channel." ambassador william burns, thank
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turning to the mueller investigation, prosecutors and defense attorneys for rick gates, paul manafort's former deputy, say that gates is continuing to cooperate with investigators, so they are not ready to set a sentencing date yet. this as president trump tweeted today, there should be no mueller report and this should never happen to a president again. join being me now is chuck rosenberg, a former u.s. attorney, senior fbi official, also an msnbc contributor. so, here we are i think it's march 15th, here we are midway through march. we're all waiting on robert mueller and not knowing when this is going to wrap up. and my sense is it's not really wrapping up because it's dispersed. andrew weissmann, top prosecutor moving on, other top official going to richmond. >> that's right. >> what's your take? >> so it's not binary.
it's not they're leaving it fully open or completely closed. it is possible for mueller to write a report and dpin up the cases they're working on. if they come across other things, it appears gates' continued cooperation is in manhattan and not the counsel's office. that makes sense to me. >> why does it make sense? does it mean that's more trump organization related, financial? >> right. so, the mueller remit, as you know, is relatively narrow. it was russian interference in the 2016 election or at large. it was that one thing. southern district of new york has a much broader and a much deeper mandate, which is to look at any criminal behavior that it comes across. trump organization, trump foundation, inaugural committee. rick gates was integrally involved with the campaign and, as i understand it, with the inaugural committee. and so it makes sense to me that if he still has information that's helpful, more likely in
manhattan than to mueller's team. >> but does this mean, since manafort is done, aside from the state prosecution, as far as we know, no further indictments there, and mike flynn is not really being of great value to them according to their own status hearing acknowledgment -- >> doesn't seem to be, right. >> does that mean we're not going to see indictments on the central issue of russian engagement with the trump organization? >> we may not. in fact, we may not even see central portions of the report itself. there are a bunch of good reasons why stuff that might be in the report is stuff that shouldn't be made public. for instance -- >> classified stuff? >> classified stuff is a great example. i can think of other categories, including information that exonerates people, because we noe normally don't talk about that publicly at the me important, information about ongoing investigations. so, again, hearkening back to the southern district of new york, if there's information
that mueller has that is reportable but would affect an ongoing investigation, it's not likely something that would be public at this time. >> but all those indictments against the russians and against the russian, you know, influenced organization, that means that they may not have found an american connection. >> well, they may not have found a direct american connection. by that i mean it appears that roger stone was in contact with wikileaks, and that russian intelligence was in contact with wikileaks. that doesn't mean stone wasn't in contact with russian intelligence. that may be either something that didn't happen or something they can't prove. but there seems to be americans involved with at least wikileaks. >> but the sharing of polling with a known intelligence operative for a russian influence, kilimnik, that seems as direct as one can be. manafort was never charged with
that. >> that's a really interesting point, and that is something on which gates could help directly because, theoretically, as we've been reading and hearing, gates was at that meeting at the cigar bar in new york city where manafort passed that polling information to kilimnik. if you're wondering what gates might be cooperating about, that's very likely a topic. >> on a friday, i can't think much a better way to wrap up. chuck rosenberg, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> and we'll be right back. this and even this. but i don't have to clean this, because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, while i clean. - [announcer] shark, the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself.
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