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>> many americans don't even believe climate change yet. >> when do we start demonizing science? when it did become acceptable? >> i would say cigarettes. >> yeah, so that started it, yeah, the merchants of doubt have been in petroleum, tobacco, climate yeah, we believe the outliars. >> yeah, they used the tobacco play book, they say there is actually a lot of questions about this to protect their own interests. >> happy friday. >> haung, and to you. >> they will love you more than ever before, that's the president reassuring the great republican senators that their constituents will love them
more. after offering condolences over the foam to new zealand's prime minister, that set off a nationwide conversation about anti-immigrant sentiment. the president is going to veto what was passed just 24 hours ago. i want to go right to new zealand where sarah james is covering the shooting in new zealand. it is now daytime, she has been working through night, we first learned about it around 11:00 p.m. last night. now the prime minister is calling it one of new zealand's darkest days, that's right, she is also saying it is act act of transfo terrorism and hate. and what happened is that 49
people were skilled in attacks on a mosque. it is a beautiful area. i'm in front of the hobble where today 48 people are being treated, some with multiple gunshot woundwounds, some in crl condition, and that is in addition to all of the people that lost their lives when a gunman open fired in a mosque just about a mile away from where i'm standing now. we have one image from inside the car and we show you this image advisedly, but why we show this is to show what happened. in this instance, this gunman, or someone, posted live streaming video of what was happening, the terrible kacarna that was going on as worshippers
were going to prayer, as they knelt, someone came into the mosque and open fired. the comments from the witnesses about what happened are horrific. this sent shock waives tloit this city. the prime minister called it an affect of terrorism, talked about extreme violence, but what is happening today is that several people are in custody. one person, a man in his 20s, has been charged with murder. we know from australia that one of the suspects in custody is an australian citizen. you can expect this investigation to, of course, be most intense here on the ie happeneds of new zee laaland, bt will extend to australia. and the prime minister there offering condolences and also the resources, the intelligence,
and the law enforcement authorities there as they try to figure out what happened. they said it was a well planned attack. how it happened we will know more as the hours unfold, and we will know a lot more, we hope, when the suspect makes his first appearance in court kwh will be just a few hours from now. >>. >> sarah, thank you for your reporting on this, we have obtained the suspect's apparent 47 page manifesto. this conflict of the second amendment and the removal of firearms rights will result in a civil war that will balkinze the
united states. >> joining me now is malcolm nance. malcom, i think it is important to understand the kwex between this person, we don't know if more people are involved, and white nationalists. >> there is a very, very deep connection. let's call them shooter one was clearly -- all of of the writings he put in his manifesto, which i read at midnight last night, was almost identical to that of the norwegian white supremacist that mass murdered about people about
eight yearsing ago. this is not normal for this country if is almost between the culture war between the white western world and the rest of the world, and he like timothy mcveigh, dylan roof, wanted to start a culture and civil war based on race. >> the u.s. law enforcement failed to see the threat of white nationalists, but they're not able to stop it now. part of the problem in the united states is that this is not a cause that the president has taken seriously. the idea that -- and that's being chartiable. he has at times not supported himself who support donald trump. >> that's true, and also she
directing the u.s. government to remove white supremacy as a cause of extremism. as far as the united states government is concerned today, only islamic terrorist extremism is the only type of extremism that the u.s. government is pursuing. it's not that the united states failed to recognize white extremism. i train law enforcement officers all over the country all of the time. they know about this, whether or not it is the neo-nazis, other forms of white supremacists, they will go to guns with a policeman. they will draw down on a policeman, it is rare you will run into a member of isis unless they're carrying out an attack. law enforcement has been almost blind to it because they don't see him as terrorists. they are getting the full court from the fbi and the
intelligence community, and they're considered terrorists. we don't have legislation in the united states that shows this form of hate crime, this form of attack, as terrorism. >> thank you for joining us. the checktive dire tivexecutive. the shooting was streamed live, it is a gruesome example of how social media platforms can still be used to spread terror. they say that the attack was extremely distressing and they urged people not to circulate it. the 17 minute video shows him walking through a mosque and firing through worshippers. facebook was not able able to remove it before it was captured by viewers, but one graphic
video clip had been available for roughly nine hours. that video started to spread including on youtube and twitter. all three platformed have struggled to block and remove violent content. joining me now to discuss this is the co-founder of elevation partners roger mcnamee. he is the author of zucked. we thought we would speak today about a different topic and then this happened. someone today said guys like this are like isis. they otherwise would have been alone, but they have been able to find communities that simp sympathize and empower them. >> there is free speech issues around what can be on a site
like that. we're confusing freedom of speech with freedom of reach. the algorithms are vie degrees of engagement. >> none of them intended it and they tried to get this off. the reality is that things that train and activate people are being spread deep and wide. i think the time has come to recognize that for software products we have to have a standard of safety the same way you would with pharmacy. one of the things that really concerns me about this is that
the video itself, as horrible as it is, is not the core of the problem, the core of the problem is that these are platforms in which people come together, spread the kind of fear intensifying content that leads to this, and they also get -- this was on several other sights, there was a lot of positive feed back that came in initially and those kind of negative flipss are always in society, but there has to be a standard to control the amplification of those messages. one of the things we talked about in the past is the question of what is the possibility of the platform for the stuff. if you think about facebook andmyian mand myanmar --
>> so facebook was the first technology platform in the country before they had newspapers, magazines, and in a country with no experience with news, authority figures started a campaign against a religious group. >> and facebook didn't intend or no they would get attacked. >> i'm certain it is the last thing, of course they don't want it, the problem is that the way the business model is set up, they didn't have people there, they didn't have people tuned into the culture, and the response time was measured in months. this response time was measured in hours, and you need to get it shorter than that. and the key thing is that when you have systems that are fully
automated the way these are, and your goal to correct things after the fact, you will always lose the game. the question is how can you look at the algorithms and say we're going to have to sacrifice some profits to make sure things like this don't e happen. >> the sad part about this, is that it looks like a video game. it almost looks unreal that someone put a camera on their head, if you're attuned to what these games look like, you may not even know it is the live streaming of a real shooting. >> and the challenge that we're dealing with here, to understand, these things are no longer like games in the software of 20 years ago. they affect people's lives in a really traumatic way. it's not okay to say we didn't intend it. you have to rethink the business model. >> roger mcnamee.
he is author of "zucked." two rockets fired by mistake cause retaliation. the impact from the latest violence and the spike in tensions may have in next month's election in israel, and we're waiting for the president to weigh in on the attacks in new zealand. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. but you're not, because you have e*trade, which isn't complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. don't get mad. get e*trade.
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in a sign of how tense things are in the middle east, a misfired rocket may have plead to a retaliation. more than 100 markets in gaza were hit after two rockets went off in tel aviv. hamas denied they had anything to do with the incident. earlier today, defense officials were quoted assaying a prelame fair investigation found that the rockets were fired by mistake. it's unclear if it was a human error or a technical malfunction. i'd yal is just weeks away from a election. and hamas is dealing with their own troubles in gaza. demonstrators angry about living
conditions in the seaside strip of land. a year's long blockade helped contribute to an economic crisis that drove unemployment to over 50%. egyptian mediators are trying to extend a cease fire that was put into place in 2014. this also comes as the united states prepares to unveil a peace plan being developed by jared kushner and his second envoy. before it was revealed, greenblatt already blamed hamas. this is what events the world from helping the people of gaza. let's take a closer look at this we start with ronanbe bergman w
is based in israel right now. tell me what you make of what happened in the last 24 hours. >> the official version is giving by hamas and they conv conveyconve conveyed to israel, to lower the inattention, until like seven minutes after 9:00 in gaza last night. and they mistakenly launched two rockets at tel aviv. they were only to be fired in case of all out war. and show that is what the leader of hamas and general, and at the same time they pressed the button by mistake and launched a missile. what is clear is that mahamas ds
not want to go out for all war, they tried to signal this was a mistake and we don't want to go further, for the first time in a year, everybody was ordered not to go to their regular customary friday morning trip to the fence. it could have been a te ti deterioration, but they do not want. both sides can risk going to some sort of level of confrontation, and this one can always deteriorate into all out confrontation. >> you have an election, they're
often very close in israel. they feel that benjamin netanyahu will win reelection. but he has political scandals around him including that he is facing indictment. >> right, i would not bet my money on what will be the result. this is like 25 years ahead in israel pace, and everything could happen. he is not trigger happy, he knows that how he enters the war but he cannot know what the results are of that. there is a bitter experience for israel, history, and politici s politicians. every time they went to war in the preelection time, almost every time they lost. paris lost to netanyahu in 1996.
he lost because of some security problems in 1992. so benjamin netanyahu would like to do everything in his power to make sure there is no further deterioration of violence along the gaza and israel border. >> thank you as always for taking tyke to talk to me. author of "rise and kill first." the secret history of israel's targeted investigates. joining me now is the director of the u.s. campaign for palestinian rights. talk to me about this strange development in that you don't normally here about hamas doing something they don't take credit for, for them to confirm this seems to be an error, what does that mean to you? >> thank you for having me on and for creating space for this important conversation. if i could answer this by asking a bigger question about this
entire conversation that i believe gets at some of the bigger picture issues that you raise. why are we talking about this today, not because palestinian protestors are being shot by snipers, we're not talking about this today because there are millions of palestinians being held in what amounts to an open air prison and being denied basic goods and services year after year. if that was the reason we were talking about this we would be talking about it every day. we're talking about it for the first time in five years because projectiles are -- >> with all due respect, that's not fair, i talk about this an awful lot. >> this is not a criticism of --
this is not on my show. i covered this topic. you can indict the rest of the media if you like. it is an important discussion. >> i appreciate that, and what i would like to point out is that in this larger discourse, in this larger discourse, this fundamental ability to view the humanity of humanity of iz raleall -- is rail -- is i appreciate you bringing me on, but this goes on every day in gaza. what happens does not stop -- it is constant. >> let's talk about the role that the united states should or could have in this thing. there are many people in the gaza strip in palestine, across
the middle east, that think that the united states is abdicated their responsibilities. there are many people that thought the united states was not a particularly fair broker in the middle east. it would be hard for anyone to think about it would be hard. but from the tweets that went out on coming to an agreement. what should the united states actual i will be doily actually be doing? >> the united nations put out a very important protest. we as american taxpayers, we fund these atrocities to the tune of $3.8 billion a year. that has to top and before that stops it becomes impossible to take seergs america as a credible role as a mediator. >> is there something you
perceive as possible to happen? >> no. >> okay. that is a fair answer, i appreciate that. i appreciate you coming on and we will continue to do better at covering this important issue. >> thank you have having me. thanks to you. okay, moments ago, the president spoke to new zealand's prime minister about the attack. the president said we stand in solidarity with new zee land, and any assistance that the united states can give, we stand by ready to help, the call came and it is expected to start any minute now in which the president will officially veto congress's attempt to end the national emergency. it allows him to divert money to his border wall.
critics said that the idea of the wall is roots in anti-immigrant bias. let's bring in kristin welker. presidents have issued vooe t d before, it's not uncommon when a party that controls one part of congress is on the other side. this one has deeper significance to it. >> this is significant, the president's veto that he will issue has president, this veto's the bill that was passed with republican support in the senate that effectively moves to block his national emergency to go around congress and build his border wall. why is this significant? this is president trump's key campaign promise. this is one of the biggest issues that he ran on. he is getting a lot of pressure from his base to stand firm. we know that he sees it as critical to he reelection.
a lot of people are saying some republicans are breaking with president trump on this issue. from president trump's perspective, it helps him make the case on the campaign trail. he fought members of his own party for this signature issue. so politically speaking, president trump sees this as an opportunity, that is why we're going to get video when he, in fact, does sign this veto. we expect him to make comments. of course he will be joined by some allies that will help make his case on this critical issue. what else do we expect president trump to say? we expect him to address the terror attacks in new zealand at the top of his remarks. it comes after what he tweeted there, speaking with the prime minister of new zealand regarding the horrific events that happened in the last 24 hours, i informed the prime minister that we stand in solidarity with new zealand and
we stand by ready to help. we love new zealand. he was mentioned in the manifesto of that terrorist. take a listen to how mercy sc schlapp answered question today. >> the shooter in new zealand sited the president in his manifesto. it is not fair to connect this person, we're there to support and stand with the people of new zealand. >> so as you see there, other top officials here that we heard from throughout the day, they really under scored that point that the administration stands ready to help new zealand in any way, shape, or form, any way shape of form. he is going shape or form.
for they were talking about the terror attacks that pivot to this position. >> kristin, the one thing that the president will not make clear is that the republicans that voted in favor with the democrats in the senate, and those that voted in the house, they don't necessarily share a position with democrats on border security. for them they were voting about constitutional article one. the president, fully, i think we believe understands that point, but that is not one that he will be underscoring. >> i think what he will under score is that this is an effort led by democrats. you have seen that in his tweets, but you hit at the heart of this, why you saw so many
republicans come out and break with president trump on this signature issue. they feel that declares a national emergency to try to get funding to build a border wall is outside of the reach of checktive authority and congress has the power of the purse nap is why you see senators like mike lee say they just can't stand with the president in this instance. however, what you will hear from president trump is that this is a democratic led effort and that he has the support of a number of republicans, and he will point to all of the folks there with him in the oval office. i was in the oval office yesterday when he said as much. he said i think it will be a powerful campaign issue. he is making no secret of the fact that he think it's will energize his base, and that he
is fighting for the promise on the campaign trail the first time around. when he first said he wanted the wall to be built, he said mexico would pay for the wall, and she a -- he is asking american taxpayers to foot the bill. as a reminder, this gives the president $8 million to build the wall. there is $1.375 billion that congress agreed to back in february. the language in there specifically says that the money is for fencing and existing barrier technology. $600 million would come from the
drug forfeiture fund. $2.5 billion from the defense department's drug interdiction program. something under republican criticism as well. $3.5 million from the military construction budget according to the military and veterans affairs sub committee means it could be used for military readiness training centers, f 35s, and hangers. kelly o'donnell is joining me now, what's the next move for congress after this? >> they will try to override the president's veto. president trump will sign for the first time a veto that makes sense because for much of his presidency he had republicans in charge of the house and nat. they were in lock step on many
issues going forward. as you have been -- as we understand it today, the house will take that action when they come back from re access both chambers are off next week. one of the things that they pointed to as this vote was happening, 59 votes to declare the national emergency fall short of the typical 60 required when there is a typical at least hold and fewer than the 67 required for the override of a presidential voeto. so as sizable as it is, it is short of the threshold.
in addition to that chuck schumer said it is his understanding they can bring this back up again in about sixth mont-- six months. and again to play schoolhouse rock with everyone, the veto the president has this authority, he can overturn it, for president trump this is a speed bump toward his plans to use the money. carving hot dollars that had another purpose and using them for what he considers a national security emergency. once you're at that, the president kind of doesn't say anything else about it. he is fixated on that being his constitutional authority to do this, so expect a few more acts
in this play, but in the short run it would appear the president has the upper hand to take the next steps, but congress will do more and make this an ongoing border battle fight and we're into campaign season and that dove tails for both parties as an issue they want to litigate. >> march 26th is when the house will vote to override the veto. as we discussion this emergency declaration, i want to step back and analyze it's significance. i want to turn to john mechum been take a look at the vetoes from recent presidents. george w bush had four.
george h.w bush had 44 and reagan had 78. what is cig about this to you. >> it is the system working. this is the way the framers wanted the system to unfold. divid divid divided sovereignty. they're for sovereignty, it is a piece of reassurance that the structure works. there is fallout in the numbers because ronald reagan had 78 vetoes because he had the senate for six years and never had the
house and president bush senior never had either. it was more of a weapon of policy not at the very beginning, but it became so under ant you jackson that decided by pushing the presidency to the forefront of the governmental structure he should be able to veto bills based on policy differences. >> there is a previous understanding that in this particular instance, president is going to say moment rs from now that this veto is about border security and democrats.
democrats are saying as are the republicans that voted with them, they are authorized by congress. they're not talking about the same thing, they're arguing different points. >> right, and that is an emblem of where we are politically, right? we live on these different plants and every once in -- planets and every once in a while they intercept each other. that sits with me poorly at the moment. we're having a focused struggle on an issue that is important, but is it genuinely the central issue confronting the country. is this about infrastructure? is this about the future of the middle class? is this about the kinds of issues that are animating the field going forward. i would argue no. what you saw, and you saw it in
the oval office speech a month or so ago, you saw it in the state of the union. you have the president politicizing the border question because his base loves it, and you -- it is to some extent, this is an important constitutional structural story that is unfolding that in many ways i think has been manufactured by the president to divide the country. john, always a pleasure to talk to you, a presidential historian. this is just into us, michigan congresswoman talib tweets this morning i tried to hold back tears as i hugged my two brown, muslim boys a little tighter. i'm so angry at those that follow the white supremacy agenda like this.
i hope that our children don't become numb to this and that this is not their new normal. msnbc spoke to the other first mu muslim congresswoman omar. what was your conversation about? >> she made an appearance at a climate change rally. she was speaking before hundreds of kids clambering for climate change. it was the congresswoman's 16-year-old daughter that organized this gathering. so when she got on stage she said her daughter was her role model, but as she walked back to her office i had to ask her about the who rihorrific attack new zealand. >> what is your reaction to stop
this? >> this s a horrific act, and a lot of people are saying, you know, stay home, don't pray, but that is a win for those that seek to terrorize us, and so we must face fear. and we must remember that love trumps hate all of the time. and i ask muslims around the world to go do their prayers and i ask our friends and our neighbors to stand in solidarity with them. >> are you concerned about the divisiveness here in the united states and arnoound the world. >> it is alarming, but love trumps hate, as long as we show up in solidarity together, and create a society that is positive for all of us. >> the congresswoman tried to be encouraging when addressing the young crowd, but you can sense how solemn her answer was when addressing this issue. that impacts her community so
directly and so many people around the world that are still reeling from this. >> thank you so much. coming up, as students arnoound the world today skip school, climate change may be the first major platform for candidates. . rebekkah: opioids has taken everything and everyone i've ever loved away from me. everything. i blew my ankle out and i got prescribed pain pills by my doctor. if making my detox public is gonna help somebody i'm all for it. i just wish i would've had a warning.
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students around the world are leading calls to fight climate change today. they had left they classrooms demanding that lawmakers make policies on what are one of the real big emergencies we all face. >> without a livable planet, all of those issues are obsolete. first we need a planet to live on and thrive on. >> based on our world leaders that they educatorly act on climate change. they are still not listening. instead our world leaders are the ones acting like children. they're having tantrums, arguing with each other, and refusing to take responsibility for their action. >> scientists and researchers
continue to provide data and talk bt how climate change is damaging our world in 2017, the national climatic data center concluded that the average global temperature across the world was the third warmer year on record. officials say it has not been cooler since 1976, and a new temperature record was set on average every 13.5 years. however since 1981 a new record has been set every three years. last year lawmakers introduced the green new deal. congress has not passed a new bill on climate change in nearly a decade. it calls to cut global emission by 60% and upgrade buildings to ensure maximum energy
efficiency. it also proposes meeting 100% through zero energy emission sources. also it to talk more about this, i want to bring in the former special assistant to the secretary of defense and founder and publisher of an environmental newsletter, our daily planet. monica, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for making time on this difficult news day. >> it is, but it's important to understand climate is not an extra issue. the fact there's this new green deal idea out there, which has come under a lot of criticism because its potential cost or inability to explain how it pays for itself, there is something out there now. there's something for legislators to react to and respond to this is forward thinking. what's your take on it? >> my take on it is republicans have been putting scary labels
on the green new deal and i don't think they're going to stick. some of the terms they've called it just don't add up to what it has been in the past. the new deal in the past was a way for americans to help each other, to get through difficult times, and i think that's what the green new deal is striving to be. this is an important time for students and you saw the students taking to the streets. for us it's an issue, but for them it's an emergency and it's not just a trumped up, made-up emergency. it's a real emergency. a four-alarm fire and they're demanding our attention and i think because of it, politicians are starting to pay attention and in the democratic primary, we're going to hear a lot about the green new deal, not the fake part or made-up part the republicans are trying to scare us with but some of the really good ideas that can actually transform our country and make us both secure, prepare us for the climate impacts we will feel no matter what and maybe even help us be more prosperous in the future and give these kids a
much better future than they would have if we continued in the business as usual sort of way we're going. >> what is the best way forward on this? because what we're doing is ask candidates what they think about it, some say the price tag is too high, you can't have cows, and fly planes. but the goal of zero emission, the goal of lowering carbon dioxide emissions, this is important and it's real. at some point the reaction has got to not be oh, but it costs too much money. you can't put a cost on the fact we're doing bad things to the earth. >> that's absolutely right. it's costing us now. in our daily planet we write about this almost every day. we try to balance stories about urgency and anxiety and stories about optimism. there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic out there. look at the growth of wind power and solar. there's new technology coming online all the time. we wrote a story earlier this week about new pickup trucks,
ev, electric vehicle pickup trucks that will be available to the public soon. it's that kind of american enknewty that will help us actually meet these challenges and do our best. i wish i could say climate would not impact us and we would be able to turn everything around but we can't. the world is a changing place. i think people understand that. what we have to do though is do our best to meet this challenge. so to your question what can we do, i think it's great that there are proposals being debated. the green new deal is just a resolution now. it's a framework. and that gives us a few months, i would say a year or so, to actually have some debates and discussions about what it should be. what order to do things in. i think there are things we can do almost right away. we can beef up our national weather service to include much more climate-related forecasting and services to help us with
some of the severe storms we experienced and get us ready to make smart investments. >> mon karks i have to cut us off there because we have to go back to the other story we're on. thank you very much for being on. we're going to continue that conversation. she's also with our daily planet. let's go to the white house. the president is talking about his decision to veto congress's resolution to end the national emergency. kristen welker has brand-new details from the event. kristen, what do you got? >> ali, president trump's first veto as president has now been signed. it's official. president trump flanked by members of his cabinet as well as law enforcement officials and angel moms, those who lost loved ones from those who are they say here illegally. and the president after congress rebuked him, passing that measure that would block his ability to issue a national emergency, go around congress to
fund his border wall. now congress had the ability to override his veto, of course, but the question is do they have the votes. i've been talking to lawmakers for days about this, and they don't think they do have the votes at this point in time. president trump said as much yesterday in the oval office. i was in there with him. he said look, i'm going to do a veto and i don't think they have the votes to override the veto. it's going to stand. president trump defiant on this issue. as you and i have been talking about throughout the hour, this is a campaign issue for president trump as well. ali, important to point out he started his remarks by talking about the terror attacks in new zealand. >> kristen welker, thank you. we will be right back. sten welku we will be right back. d the entire birth. i had great connectivity. his entire platoon was standing next to him. they kept telling me, "you gotta push! you gotta push!" they all got to meet forest, all together. about 50 of them. and they all started crying. it was the sweetest thing i have ever seen. (vo) there for you when it matters most. unlimited on the best network
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as we speak donald trump is in the oval office and moments ago signed a veto, the very first of his two-year-old presidency, rejecting a measure passed by congress, the stinging rebuke terminating his declaration of a national emergency on the southern border. for such a momentous occasion, it's appropriate the issue at hand is the wall, the cornerstone of president trump's political brand. we will bring you the signings and comments as soon as we get that turned around. in the meantime the latest chapter in what has been a months' long saga. remember, president trump shut down the government for 35 days to get money, billions of dollars for his wall, and when that didn't work, he decided to go it alone using a national emergency declaration as a means to get that money. but after both chambers of congress voted to rebuke him on that idea, including a dozen republicans, on