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they are all, all 81 of them, gillette. facing the same deadline this monday for getting those records up to capitol hill. we're working together to do just that. judiciary chairman jerrold bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar nadler is asking these 81 people and entities for information or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, issues, everything from the president's hush money payments clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. to the trump tower meeting with the russians to details about the inaugural committee. because we know mom wants what's best. it's a ton of stuff. some people who were targeted more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. with these document requests have apparently said they're not going to comply, but nadler's balanceus.org office tells us they actually think they're getting a good response so far. they say they've also been working with people who might need a little bit more time, if not potentially a friendly subpoena. but, again, deadline for all of them is on monday. we shall see as of monday what they get. have a good weekend. that does it for us now. we will see you again monday night. now it's time for "the last word" with ali velshi sitting in for lawrence tonight. >> i'm alley velshi in for lawrence o'donnell. the president is condemning the horrific terrorist attack in new zealand, where a white
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supremacist killed 49 people in an attack targeting muslims. the killings are sparking a worldwide discussion about islamophobia, but they have also brought attention to the words of our president. political scientist brian class writes in "the washington post" that, quote, trump is an islamophobic bigot. brian will join us to talk about his piece later and the hour and we'll have a live report from the southern border from nbc's cal perry who is going to give us the facts about a situation that donald trump often seems to misrepresent. but first, a day after the president's own party revolted i found a companyeans to who believes in me.rt. and voted to end his national emergency declaration at the they look out for me. southern border, donald trump and they help me grow my career. did something he's never done before. at comcast it's my job to constantly monitor our network, he issued his first ever presidential veto today in order prevent problems, and to help to block that congressional provide the most reliable service possible. resolution. my name is tanya, the president was forced into i work at the network operations center for comcast. that position because 12 we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. republican senators, these 12, voted with democrats to send that resolution to the president's desk. in an oval office photo-op to
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issue his veto, donald trump said this about that bipartisan resolution -- new zealand police say a 28-year-old australian white nationalist has been arrested in the attacks that killed 49 people, including children at two mosques in the city of christchurch, new zealand. >> yes congress passed a dangerous resolution that if signed into law would put countless americans in danger. the alleged killer left behind a very grave danger. manifesto which detailed his hatred of muslims and immigrants. it is definitely a national today australian newscaster who is also a politics professor and emergency. rarely have we had such a the child of muslim immigrants national emergency. to australia made this powerful therefore, to defend the safety and security of all americans, i statement about the massacre and the political rhetoric. will be signing and issuing a listen. formal veto of this reckless resolution, and that's what it was. >> i've gutted and i'm scared and i feel overcome with utter congress has the freedom to pass hopelessness. this resolution, and i have the duty to veto it. the most dishonest thing, the most dishonest thing would be to say that i'm shocked. and i'm very proud to veto it. >> i'm very proud to veto it. donald trump also said he'd be i'm simply not. proud of this -- there is nothing about what happened in christchurch today that shocks me. i went to the mosque today, i do >> if we don't get what we want one way or the other, whether that every friday, just like the people at the mosques in it's through you, through the christchurch today. military, through anything you i know exactly what those want to call, i will shut down moments before the shooting the government. began would have been like. i know how quiet, how still, how introspective those people would
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>> fair enough. we disagree. >> i tell you what, i am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. >> president trump's government shutdown and president trump's veto have something important in common. donald trump didn't have to do either of them. have been before they were donald trump didn't have to shut suddenly gunned down. down the government because he how separated from the world was actually offered a better they were feeling until the deal for his wall before he shut world came in and tore their lives apart. and i know that the people who down the government than the one did this knew well enough how profoundly defenseless their he got after his shutdown. victims were in that moment. and according to politico, donald trump didn't have to this is a congregational prayer suffer the rebuke by republicans that happens every week like clock work. that led to his first veto. this was slaughter by eliana johnson and burgess appointment. everett report it didn't have to it's scary because like millions be that way. of other muslims, i'm going to keep attending those republicans say especially in appointments, and it feels like trump had engaged more fish in a barrel, but that isn't the scariest thing. the thing that scared me most consistently with senators and was when i started reading the made a relatively modest agreement to change the national manifesto that one of the emergencies act to rein in presidential power. apparent perpetrators of this attack published, not because it one republican senator who voted was deranged, but because it was against the president gave this so familiar. let me share some quotes with you to show you what i mean. the truth is that islam is not like any other faith. quote to politico. it is the religious equivalent "trump quite possibly could have of fascism. or the real cause of bloodshed gotten 50 senators voting no," said republican senator mike lee, who led the failed effort to get trump to agree to changes
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to the national emergencies act. here's how politico describes the self-proclaimed dealmaker donald trump's efforts to sway is the immigration program which republican senators. allowed muslim fanatics to migrant in the first place. quote, trump made little effort to whip wavering gop senators how do those words sound now? during a hearing wednesday how do they sound when i tell you they weren't part of the manifesto. they were push established today afternoon on trade and said they after this terrorist attack on could vote however they pleased. an australian parliamentary by wednesday evening, however, he had grown disturbed by the brewing condemnation from his letterhead. i'm going to say the same thing own party. on thursday morning, white house aides began blasting a trump i said about four years ago tweet to gop senators by text after a horrific islamist message to remind them of how the president viewed the attack. now, now we come together. impending vote. now we understand this is not a game. terrorism doesn't choose its quote, a vote for today's resolution by republican senators is a vote for nancy victims selectively. pelosi, crime and the open we are one community, and that border democrats. donald trump now claims that he everything we say to try to tear people apart, demonize didn't care if republicans voted against him on the national emergency. particular groups, set them against each other, that all has >> i put no pressure on anybody. i actually said i could have gotten some of them to come consequences, even if we're not along. the ones with our fingers on the trigger. >> today president trump condemned the attacks as evil. i want you to vote your heart. >> i spoke with prime minister do what you want to do. i'll let them know when there's ardern of new zealand to express pressure. i told them that. i didn't need the vote. the sorrow of our entire nation
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following the monstrous terror attacks at two mosques. we all knew it was going to be a veto and they're not going to be able to override. these sacred places of worship were turned into scenes of evil >> congress will have a vote on overriding donald trump's veto. killing. >> but in the same remarks made speaker pelosi said, on march 26th the house will once again as he vetoed congress' rebuke of his national emergency act to protect our constitution and our democracy from the declaration to build his border president's emergency wall, president trump said this declaration by holding a vote to override his veto. about people at the southern border. in his statement on his veto, donald trump also gave a >> we're on track for a million greatest hits compilation of his illegal aliens to rush our claims about the southern border, attempting to portray an emergency where even members of his own party have said with borders. people hate the word invasion, their votes that there is no but that's what it is, it's an emergency. invasion of drugs and criminals and people. >> we're on track for a million >> president trump used the word invasion today to describe the illegal aliens to rush our borders. situation at the border. he's done that before. but he did it today, despite the fact that the alleged killer in people hate the word invasion, new zealand wrote in his manifesto that he wanted to fend but that's what it is, it's an off invaders and that there was invasion of drugs and criminals and people. nowhere free from mass immigration. and despite the fact that the we have no idea who they are, but we capture them because border security is so good, but alleged killer of 11 people at a they're put in a very bad position and we're bursting at synagogue in pittsburgh last the seams. year also wrote that he was motivated by immigrant invaders. literally bursting at the seams. we played you the president's
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words calling this attack on in many cases they're stone cold muslims evil, but we should also remember what else donald trump has said about muslims. criminals, and in many cases and in some cases you have killers coming in and murderers coming in. our immigration system is >> donald j. trump is calling stretched beyond the breaking for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the point. >> all right. united states until our joining us now to discuss all country's representatives can figure out what the hell is after this, david corn, washington bureau chief for mother joins. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, and a professor at the university of alabama school of law. and yamiche alcindor, the white house correspondent for the "pbs newshour." all three are msnbc going on. >> hey, i watched when the world correspondents. thank you for joining me on this friday night. yamiche, let's start with you. what happened today was what was expected. trade center came tumbling down, and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was come down. the house will get this resolution now. they will hold a vote on march 26th. it will pass the house. it won't probably pass the thousands of people were cheering. senate. >> you know, the police say that didn't happen at all. what is the net effect of this presidential veto? those rumors have been on the internet for some time. >> it did happen. >> the net effect is that the president can say and put in a commercial that he defied even
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establishment republicans and fought for what he sees as a i saw it. it was on television. >> you saw it with your own eyes? >> george, it did happen. there were people that were cheering on the other side of new jersey where you have large national emergency on the arab populations. >> the president was lying. border, and as a result he can -- he can show that -- and argue brian class examines all of this that he alone was fighting for in "the washington post" op-ed the american people. today. a short history of president of course there is also this net effect, which is that the president has now gotten a trump's anti-muslim bigotry. message from at least 12 brian, thank you for joining us. republican senators that, yes, we will back you on some issues it's a meaningful piece that of border security, but we're not scared enough to vote with you've written and you're saying you for every single thing. things that you think people and when you have senators, need to understand, and that is that the mood is set as we discussed in the segment before this, the president did not take any opportunity today to republican senators using words distance himself from a killer, a terrorist, a person who took like dangerous, using words like king and reckless, this could be a growing problem for the 49 lives of people who were president if he doesn't get worshipping. really his messaging and his communication with republican senators in. he didn't take any opportunity to say that he wouldn't be inspiring people like that. and david corn was saying that he didn't do it deliberately because he doesn't mind. i think it was striking when he >> well, i think that's absolutely right and i think was talking from the oval office it's actually worse than that today and president trump said because he has a long track record of stoking the kind of he didn't put any pressure on republican senators. hatred that provides the we know that that's definitely rhetorical or intellectual just not true. he's absolutely lying when he says that because we know that the white house and the president were scrambling to get republicans not to vote for this. that's why you saw senator tillis of north carolina flip his vote at the last minute. ammunition for attacks like we saw in new zealand today. and, you know, i think what you have to understand here is that >> yes. joyce, to yamiche's point about president trump is fundamentally republican senators saying to an islamophobic bigot.
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he is somebody who has mainstream hatred against muslims and he's done this for years. in 2011, in 2012, he insinuated the president we won't support you on every single thing, this that president obama was some sort of secret muslim and that isn't a break on border security or even on the wall as much as was a problem. it is conservative senators, more recently during the some of them with a libertarian campaign, in addition to the fact that he said we should track muslims with a database, he also talked about the idea of streak, many of whom are not up banning all muslims from for election in the next cycle, being able to say this is entering the united states, an entire religion. executive authority gone too far. the most un-american thing you we don't actually want you declaring a national emergency on something we don't actually share your view as a national emergency because you or someone can imagine, to target people else can use that power in an unwieldy way going forward. based on their faith, and then since becoming president he >> i think that's absolutely hasn't stopped. i mean, not only the invasion right. and this is not a vote about terms, but something that was a policy. big deal over here in london was in november of 2017, trump this is really a vote about the retweeted three times one of the constitution. and the separation of powers. and the republicans who joined with democrats in the senate leaders of britain first, which were reacting to the fact that is a neo-fascist movement who the president was trying to has been personally convicted of control the power of the purse. obviously that spending power is hate crimes against muslims and who organized what she called reserved to conversation in mosque patrols -- sorry, article i of the constitution. so if it they were willing to christian patrols and mosque invasions, trying to intimidate give it to the president here, muslims. and that is who the donald trump decided to give a platform to and to spread hate to his
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millions of twitter followers. so what we have here is that trump is a central figure in an there is no telling where he could have taken that down the ecosystem of hatred that is inspiring attacks around the road, but i think yamiche is world and that's something we need to be honest about. right, you know, everybody knows that the votes aren't really there to overturn the veto and where this ultimately will be >> something that's worth decided is in the court system, where i think the president will get a little bit of a lesson on pointing out is that if someone how the constitution works. wielded those accusations against you, you'd say something >> and, david, i want to read you something from "the new york about it. you're entirely not true. times" where it says "the mere i don't want to be associated act of defying mr. trump, with these people. but on several occasions, speaking of senators, including associations with foreshadows potential new difficulty for the president as david duke and the ku klux klan, including what you mentioned he seeks to push his agenda where someone talked to him during the election about what we're going to do with muslims. remember when john mccain was told that barack obama was a muslim and a bad man? through a democratic-controlled he took the moment to be who house and a less plient republican-controlled senate." john mccain was. the larger issue, it's not so important that the president vetoed the bill. lots of presidents gets bills they veto. the issue here is is this a less compliant senate? donald trump doesn't do this. he doesn't distance himself from we know it's a less compliant house because it's controlled by the other party. what you're talking about. >> yeah, i think marginally, i >> that's right. at this stage am not ready to so in that clip where we saw before where trump is basically lead a parade down pennsylvania encouraging his supporters with this question -- he has this question where they say, you
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avenue to capitol hill to celebrate the republicans who broke with the president on an know, what are we going to do about all these muslims and issue of executive privilege and trump is nodding along saying, that's right, we need this question. a few questions after that, there was a question about trying to maintain some climate change and donald trump congressional power over this. shut it down. so he can shut things down when i mean, we've seen for two years they just kowtow, they roll over for him, and until they get out he believes that they're wrong, there and start really saying but he doesn't do that with anti-muslim bigotry. that the language he's using, in fact, he stokes it. calling this an invasion on the and beyond that, if somebody had same day that a madman shoots up -- kills 49 muslim people in new accused me of these things, zealand because of the invasion there wouldn't be a long track record of my statements where the shoe sort of fits, right? there. that's the problem here. if the manifesto had named other when they really start digging in on the issues, on the politicians, there wouldn't be dozens and dozens and dozens of statements where that figure had made anti-muslim bigoted statements. demagoguery and the hatred that and so i think at the end of the he inspires and as yamiche said, day if we want to stop this sort you know, the lies that he puts of bigotry and hate in our societies, we have to stop electing hateful bigots and that out, then i'll say that there is maybe a turning point. is what donald trump has become, this might be a one off. i'm not, you know, we'll have to and what he continues to act like in the white house, unfortunately. see whether they're going to create any opposition to the >> your article, which i hope everybody reads, is -- really themes that trump is putting out that i think are tearing the does speak of a growing problem. donald trump was asked today
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about white nationalists. country apart. >> or even, joyce, if it's not here's what he said. >> do you see today white the themes, it could be the one theme that americans are most nationalism as a rising threat around the world? concerned about, and that is the investigations, whatever comes out of the mueller investigation, because as we >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people who have very, very know, the difference between now serious problems. i guess if you look at what and watergate is that at some happened in new zealand, perhaps point president nixon lost popularity -- against republicans and they decided to that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. take action. that is not necessarily what they're just learning about the person. we're watching right now. and the people involved. >> it's not at all what we're but it's certainly a terrible thing. terrible thing. watching here. there are a lot of different >> the stats are not with the schools of thought about why that might be. president, whether it's in the it could be this pervasive united states or around the ability of the president to world. we know that rising direct speak to the population through twitter. that's not clear. anti-semitism around the world is a fact. but one wonders if at some point there won't be something that is a bridge too far, whether that's we know that rising anti-immigrant sentiment is a something that will come out of the mueller report or at another point in time. fact. we know that rising islamophobia hasn't turned that corner yet. is a fact and we know that nationalism and nativism movements are a fact. >> yamiche, let's talk about >> that's absolutely right. that. the data shows that the president is wrong. it's a growing threat. it's a major threat and it's a violent threat. and i think that, you know, beyond that, it's the different
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does the president -- is the president at all worried about way that trump responds to what happened today? is he worried about the fact violence is conditioned on who that he had to veto a bill because it did get past the commits it and who is the victim senate? he knew right after the midterm because, you know, after elections that there were going charlottesville, he praised those people marching with neo to be all sorts of things coming nazis and the kkk as very fine from the house, including investigations, but he probably people. here he's not distancing himself thought he had a bit of a from white nationalism and bulwark in the senate. >> i think it is worrisome, and minimizing the threat. that's why you saw the president whereas conversely when there and white house aides pressuring was a terrorist attack by islamic radicals in the united republican senators because they understand that there are limits kingdom in 2017, i found out to even republican senators about that attack because my phone buzzed with a notification saying, look, we can't back you for every single thing because that trump had tweeted, using that attack to sort of give ammunition to his travel ban it's going to make us also set a against muslims. so he acted immediately when precedent that we think democrats might use in the case of the national emergency. it's an islamist terrorist, but i also think that there is when it's a white terrorist, he something going on here, if i doesn't say the kinds of things that he would say normally. and beyond that, you know, it's could ask something -- >> yeah. >> or answer something one of these things where people differently. which is the context in which this is happening. all day i was asking the white accuse you of politicizing tragedy when you talk about this house, was there any thought given to cancelling this event with president trump's words, but our politics is part of the tragedy, our politics is or rescheduling it because of encouraging these tragedies. what happened in new zealand? i heard there were talks about wrestling with it, thinking so we have to be outcome spoken maybe we should do this. about them and hold anti-muslim ultimately the president not only vetoed and held this event with people basically bigots the way we would hold accountable other bigots. criminalizing immigrants, but he >> brian, thank you so much for what you've written. brian klaas, as assistant also said while he was being professor of global politics at university of london. "washington post" columnist.
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questioned, someone said, well, what do you think of the rise of white nationalism. he said, well, actually, i don't think it's that big of a deal. i think it's a small group of strong people. that's simply not true. coming up, president trump's own treasury secretary has made we know the numbers that white extremism and white nationalism it clear he's not going to are on the rise. cooperate with members of the person who carried out the congress who want to get the president's tax returns, but a member of congress whose questioning during the michael new zealand attack in his manifesto talked about the fact cohen hearings may have given democrats another legal argument that he saw president trump as a to get the president's taxes. symbol for renewed white identity. now, i'm not saying that he'll be my next guest. president trump obviously inspired this person to go kill people, to make that clear, but there is something going on there in the white house. do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back? you know what? we're going to hold our event because we just want to do this because we think it's good for our popularity. >> i suppose, joyce, you can't go around denying everything everybody says about you, but that's a strong accusation, about 50% of people with severe asthma right? have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. this man who committed these atrocities, these acts of terror eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. in new zealand mentioned the president of the united states. fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. he prepared a -- weird questionnaire, a question and answer as if a reporter was fasenra is an add-on injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. interviewing him and posted it, and he did speak of this representation of white fasenra is not a rescue medicine nationalism. or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra is proven to help prevent severe asthma attacks,
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improve breathing, and can lower oral steroid use. the president never takes an opportunity to distance himself fasenra may cause allergic reactions. from that sort of thing. >> and that's really reprehensible because i think you're right, you know, we are get help right away if you have swelling of your not responsible for other people's actions, but to not face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. take the opportunity to say as president this is not what i don't stop your asthma treatments stand for, hate is wrong, unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. violence is wrong, i think makes headache and sore throat may occur. this very distasteful and almost haven't you missed enough? acts as though the president in ask an asthma specialist about fasenra. some way is willing to lend a little bit of credibility. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. look, this notion that white supremacy and that, you know, i now audible members get free fitness and wellness programs guess the new zealand equivalent of the domestic terrorism that to transform your mind and body. we experience in this country, the notion that that is not on download the audible app and start listening today. the rise is something that the data doesn't support. ♪ >> yes. >> and in many parts of our country, the worst terrorism that people have experienced, like in birmingham, alabama where i live is domestic terrorism, a ku klux klan bombing a church that killed four young girls or a right-wing terrorist's bomb that kills a
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police officer at a women's clinic. that's a much more real experience in america and something we should be stacking up our resources against. >> david? >> i don't think we should mince words. the president had an opportunity to distance himself or to not have that event. he chose not to do so. and you have to wonder what he's thinking. this and even this.hark, i deep clean messes like this. he's thinking that he doesn't but i don't have to clean this, because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, while i clean. - [announcer] shark, the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. itreat them all as if, they are hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911 and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out want to. he doesn't want to distance himself from this. he doesn't want to say that extreme white nationalistic and keep the public safe. terror is a threat. he doesn't want to say those things. and why? he's been, you know, you're going to get to this later in the show, but on the campaign and ever since he's been saying things like islam hates us. one campaign event some guy said we got to get rid of all the muslims. he said, you know, we're thinking about what we're going to do. not only does he not distance himself, he does encourage this. words matter. >> yeah. >> words can inspire people. they can cause fear. and he wants to be doing that. i don't think there is any other explanation. >> we'll be talking a lot about
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this this evening. thank you to all three of you. yamiche alcindor, joyce vance and david corn. coming uh up, the alleged pg&e wants you to plan ahead by mapping out escape routes and preparing a go kit, in case you need to get out quickly. for more information on how to be prepared and keep your family safe, visit pge.com/safety. coming uh up, the alleged new zealand shooter called immigrants invaders and as you heard, president trump in the oval office did the same things. in a new op-ed, brian class argues it is the president's own reckless and dangerous language that is adding fuel to a growing nationalist movement. just hours after the massacre are getting attention around the world. the scariest thing he finds in the aftermath of the shooting will surprise you. and later, the president's treasury secretary vows to fight efforts for congress to get the president's tax returns, but did questions in the michael cohen hearings actually help democrats in their quest to investigate the president's finances? new zealand police say a guys do whatever it takes to deal with shave irritation. house speaker nancy pelosi came under fire this week from members of her own party when so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. she came out against impeaching
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it has a unique guard between the blades. president trump, focussing instead on the ongoing that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. investigations by several house committees, but her strategy did earn her pluadits from one unlikely source, steve bannon. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. >> has the president met his match in nancy pelosi. how would you grade pelosi in the best a man can get. the last couple of months? >> a 10. a 10 out of 10. she's a war horse, and i think she's done, from what she's trying to accomplish, i think pelosi's done a good job. i think the investigations the next five or six months are going to be close to insanity. i think every day they're going to be pounding the president, poundth with subpoenas, pounding with information requests. the house is just going to be a bear pit. >> the house is just going to be a bear pit. yesterday, treasury secretary steve mnuchin found himself in that bear pit and was asked about whether or not he would comply with a request from the house ways and means committee for president trump's tax returns. something the committee has the
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legal authority to demand. here's what mnuchin said. >> we will protect the president as we would protect any individual taxpayer under their rights. >> we would protect the president as we would protect any individual taxpayer. translation, he's probably not going to try and protect the president from having his -- he's going to try to protect the president from having his tax returns released. now, the president has consistently refused to release his tax returns since the 2016 campaign, claiming he can't release them because he's being audited by the irs. >> i'm being audited now. >> a minor audit. >> it's und routine audit. >> like, retune. >> but as soon as my routine audit is finished, i'll release my returned. i'd be very proud to. >> we're three years away from that routine audit. just that justification has come under considerable scrutiny when michael cohen appeared before the house oversight committee and said this. >> he had said to me was that what he didn't want was to have an entire group of think tanks that are tax experts run through
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his tax return and start ripping it to pieces and then he'll end up in an audit and he'll ultimately have taxable consequences, penalties and so on. >> so that's an interesting point, that basically said he didn't want to release his tax returns because he might end up in an audit. so could you presume from that statement that he wasn't under audit? >> i presume that he's not under audit. >> it's the president's guy, the president's personal lawyer presumed that he wasn't under audit and that he was simply not returning -- disclosing his tax returns so that he wouldn't be audited. that congressman you saw there asking that question, freshman congressman jimmy gomez. he's the only member of congress who sits on both the house oversight committee and the ways and means committee, which can demand trump's tax returns. he joins me next.
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thing we're you're going to keep asking me questions. that's the congress of the united states, mr. secretary. jimmy gomez questioning treasure secretary steven mnuchin and explaining to him how congressional hearings work. joining me now, congressman gomez, a democrat, freshman democrat from california. he's a member of the house ways and means committee as well as the oversight committee. congressman, i credit you that you're new at this, but you knew actually what congress' job is and had the school the treasury secretary of the united states who has been on the job, by the way, for two years. >> thanks for having me. first, i want to send my condolences to the people of new zealand for the tragedy today. >> thank you, sir. >> yes, this administration doesn't want to answer any questions. we had a hearing on the same day with wilbur ross and steve mnuchin and neither one of them want to answer questions. they want to dodge and make sure they never answer anything that puts them or the president add jeopardy. we're going to push them.
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that is our job. >> that is your job. >> that's the responsibility of congress. >> that's what you're elected to do, sir. let's go back to the conversation you had with michael cohen. it was kind of remarkable. michael cohen was at the time, his lawyer, his personal lawyer, his self-described fixer, a guy who by all accounts seemed to know a whole lot about the president of the united states, saying that the president didn't want tax experts fishing through this tax returns. this is an important issue because the president has said prior to becoming president and since becoming president that he is under audit. >> yeah, no, it's a huge issue. you know, what we discovered is that he basically was misleading the people since he started running for the presidency. and why is that? that's the question. we believe that it has to do with his finances. we believe it has to do with who he's in bed with. we believe that it has to do with how is he making decisions as he's currently in the white house. so with cohen answering basically that he's not under
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audit, it really helped set up the stage and lay part of the foundation for our request for his tax returns. >> quinnipiac asked people a couple of questions about the president's tax returns just last week roughly, and the first question was, "should donald trump release his tax returns?" 64% of respondents said yes, 29% said no. which fits. donald trump doesn't get below 29% on anything. if trump refuses to release his tax returns, do you think congress should investigate? again, 57% said yes, 38% said no. talk to me, congressman, about what happens next. when you said what michael cohen to you sets up what you might do next. how does that play out? >> so, first, i think that we want to continue to lay the foundation on our argument. you know, we do have the right as the house ways and means committee to request his returns, but we still need to provide justification. i would love to see allen weissleberg, his finance guy,
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come before the house oversight committee and answer questions about what he knows about president trump's finances, some of his dealings, you know, the payments to michael cohen regarding stormy daniels. the inflating of his property values and deflating of his property values. did he cheat on his tax returns? we want to really get to the bottom of that to start setting up even more and providing the justification we need in order to ask for those returns. >> how do you -- how do you keep this all straight? because you're on oversight. you're on ways and means. the southern district of new york is investigating some things. the manhattan d.a. is now dealing with this inflating and, you know, they're dealing with -- with paul manafort, but, you know, it almost sounds like it's a warning shot to say, hey, if you're fiddling with real estate and mortgages and things like that, we're going to come after you, to the president. how do you keep track of who is supposed to do what? >> well, we work as a team, right?
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it's not just one committee. ways and means with richie neal, the chairman, oversight with elijah cummings and we also have the judiciary committee. everybody is working as a team and providing and sharing information and that's what makes this -- our ability to investigate this president, this administration, hold them accountable powerful because we're really working together. i just happen to be on two committees. that gives me a lot of information and understanding of what we need to do to make sure we hold this president accountable. >> i have to say, i'm not shocked by a lot today -- these days, but when the treasury secretary said he's not going to take your ways, that was a new one for me. congressman, good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. >> nice talking to you as well. all right. coming up, president trump described america's border with mexico in war like language, where armies of criminals and gang members are launching an investigation, but nbc's cal perry is at the u.s. minnesota border. he's spent a lot of time there. he's going to tell us about the reality. it's very different. that's ahead.
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investigation. >> presidential candidate beto o'rourke saying he does believe the president did try to inspire and president trump has tried to obstruct justice. what does he think should be done about it? >> how congress chooses to address those sets of facts and the findings which i believe we are soon to see from the mueller report is up to them. i think the american people will have chance to decide there at the ballot box in november 2020 and perhaps that's the best way for us to resolve these outstanding questions. >> you have a chance this weekend to find out more about president trump and russia and the latest candidate to enter the democratic candidate primary. sunday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern, msnbc presents headliners. you can watch russia, are you listening. a profile of president trump's questionable relationship with vladmir putin sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern hosted by me. today president trump was focused on the border and
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to help leaving local organizations and now taxpayers to shoulder the cost of caring for these migrants. cal visited a church that opened its doors to take in asylum seekers from other crowded shelters. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. we're here inside where you can see behind me donations are piling up. 25,000 families came across in just the first four months of fiscal year 2018 and many of them were left on the side of the road by the federal government after they were released by custody with no food, with no water. dropped at bus stations with ankle bracelets and so the local community has stepped up. the donations behind me keep coming because so too do the
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families. the city of el paso is trying to bend but not break under the weight of tens of thousands of migrants families. another day means more migrants fresh from government custody. there's little coordination between these volunteer efforts and the government. that lack has forced el paso county to approve 20,000 tax dollars on a full-time migrant coordinator. >> they have stopped that. the federal government isn't concerned with what happens to the migrants after being processed and leaving them in the streets of el paso or expecting the non-profits to pick up. you'll see a wall that's in most parts of our county but we're still receiving a record number of migrants. >> reporter: the county is now waiting on the city and local
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non-profit organizations to add funding for what they hope will be a short term solution. it's also forced community groups and pastors to step up where the government has failed. >> we weren't here they would probably be released on the streets. >> why isn't the government handling this. >> i don't know. >> this is what she came with. no shoe laces. these. we gave her these. you see her face. look at her face. >> reporter: monica is the social services provider and the center's caretaker for asylum seekers that are dropped off here. >> we want to make them welcome. this is place they can be safe. >> reporter: this shelter opened two weeks ago to help the other overwhelmed non-profit organizations that care for migrants. >> places that normally shelter them and do this or have been doing this for years or month, their facilities are too full. there's no place for them to go. there's too many of them. there's a state of crisis. >> reporter: inside the shelter it's about getting people what they need but it's also about a
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return to normalcy. >> his son is not wearing any shoes right now because the shoes got stuck in the mud crossing the river to get over to the immigration to turn himself in and the child has been five days with no shoes. we're going to get limb some shoes right away. >> reporter: migrants are grate ful after a dangerous injury knee. >> he says he suffered a lot coming here. once he got to many place he felt overwhelmed with joy. >> reporter: volunteers work quickly to help transport migrants to their next destination before the next bus load arrives. >> other than giving them food, water and shelter, the most important thing is to get them tooit. we can't house them here more than three or four days. we don't have the resources. we don't have the money. if we keep a lot of people here, we're not able to help the next group. >> reporter: the issue of
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immigration is being used to divide america and around the world politicians use fear and fear of other people as way to divide. we saw how that fear can turn to violence yesterday in new zealand. el paso remains a beacon of hope and unity. people sorting through medical equipment. unified in way of helping people who come here to find a better life. i would submit to you in way that only texas can, this old abandoned furniture warehouse and people behind me represent the best of what america can be. >> thank you for that. thank you for your great reporting this whole time along the border and on this story. it's an important one. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. win. t"the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, donald trump proudly issues his first veto after a defeat of his signature
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campaign promise driven home by republicans. he doubles down on immigration and the wall, but did it just get harder on him to get what he wants? plus, we learned just today rick gates is still cooperating on several investigations. the mueller team has now delayed his sentencing for a fifth time. and the month's comments on white nationalism in the wake of the horror we have now witnessed in new zealand. "the 11th hour" on a friday night starts now.
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