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that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm phillip mena in new york. it's 6:00 in the east. face of evil, the first court appearance for the new zealand mass shooting suspect as new details emerge about the horrifying incident, president trump responds. what he said when directly asked about the rise of white nationalism around the world. the president uses his veto power for the first time after a dozen republicans defy him on that emergency declaration. the college cheating scandal. new developments today and whether some of the more high profile names will face jail time if convicted.
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we begin with the latest on the mosque attacks in new zealand. prayers and tears in christchurch as new zealanders rally behind the muslim community targeted by a suspected white supremacist. the gunman is in custody after his first court appearance. 49 men, women and child were killed when the us a traustrali opened fire at two mosques. more than 35 remain in the hospital. 11 in intensive care. new video shows police raiding the suspect's home looking for evidence. nearby homes were evacuated as a precaution. we're learning new details about how the attacks were carried out. new zealand officials say the gunman drove to a mosque on friday afternoon and say he walked in the front door and opened fire on unarmed worshipers, killing 41. he had two assault rifles and a shotgun and sprayed bullets walking room to room, stopping only to reload.
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officials say he live streamed 17 minutes of that attack to social media accounts. we're only showing this still image taken from his car. he took 1seven minutes to drive to a second mosque where seven more people were killed. what's the latest from christchurch, sarah. >> the latest is as you mentioned, the alleged gunman appeared in court today. he did not speak. he was remanded without a plea until his next scheduled appearance on april 5th so far he's been charged with one count of murder. authorities say we can expect that to rise because 49 people lost their lives in this horrific set of attacks. the question now is how this was carried out. this gentleman did not appear on any watch list, so who was he talking to? how was he being radicalized
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online? those were some of the questions that prime minister jacinda ardern addressed in a news conference today. >> what has been a global rise in extreme right-wing violent rhetoric, our agencies were live to that. they had been undertaking work, but as i said this individual was not on any watch list. so not on any watch list. there are two other suspects in custody. no charges so far have been applied to them. but the investigation is in a very intensive phase. it's an investigation not only here in new zealand, but also across the sea in australia, because brenton tarrant is an
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australian citizen who went between the two countries. the prime minister of australia called this an act of terrorism, of extreme right wing violence, and there are questions in australia as well about what happened and whether or not there are any others involved, whether there is a broader terror cell or people online who might have known what happened. the police presence has been significant here over the course of the day. the helicopters have been flying overhead. authorities say they'll continue to have a presence at mosques here on the south island and throughout new zealand. this was the largest mass casualties ever in this nation's history. more people were killed in one day than the entire murder rate for new zealand for the year. one of the things that the prime minister said is that they will also be looking at gun control in this country. we can expect more on that.
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>> just a staggering tragedy. thank you. here in the u.s., the new zealand attack renewing debate over president trump's comments. after the massacre the president tweeted about it and spoke with the new zealand prime minister offering u.s. assistance. at a press conference announcing his first presidential veto, he downplayed the threat of white nationalism. >> do you see today white na nationalism as a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people who have very, very serious problems. if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps the case. i don't know enough about it. they're just learning about the person and people involved. it's certainly a terrible thing. terrible thing. >> the southern poverty law center reports white nationalist groups in the u.s. increased by 50% last year. the total number of hate groups surged by 7%. the first two muslim women
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elected to congress reacted to the tragedy. >> a lot of people are saying, you know, stay home. don't pray. but that's a win for those that seek to terrorize us, so we must face fear, we must remember love trumps hate all the time. i ask muslims around the world to go and do their prayers, and i ask our friends and neighbors to stand in solidarity with them. >> democrats calculating their next move after president trump signed his first veto. 12 republican senators broke ranks and joined democrats in voting to stop the president's emergency declaration to build a border wall. the president saying he has a duty to veto that resolution. >> people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is. it's an invasion of drugs,
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criminals. i was elected by a very, very great group of american people, millions and millions of people because they want security for our country. that's what we're going to have. >> nancy pelosi announced that the house will hold an override vote on march 26th after congress returns from a week-long recess, but it's unlikely to reach the two-thirds required in each claim per. pl chamber. a lot to discuss. let's get started with sarah ferris and frank ordonez. good morning to you both. we don't want to glorify the terrorists who carried out those attacks in new zealand, but it's news worth think to point out in a manifesto that he says he supports donald trump as a simple of renewed white identity but not his policies. is the president opening up
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himself to attack by not condemning this more than he that done? >> it's surprising to hear from the white house they condemn this as an act of hate, as an act of terrorism, but the president declined to go into more details. he doesn't specifically condemn the rise of white nationalism. the president could have taken a more decisive stance on this. we have heard from the white house communication team saying it's outrageous to tie the president to this. any mention connecting mr. trump to the manifesto is outrageous. senator bloomenthal of connecticut has pointed to trump's rhetoric and tied it to the attacks in some way, points to the president's comments after charlottesville, virginia. so there are some democrats on capitol hill willing to go
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there. the white house responds and says it is outrageous to connect the two. >> let's talk about someone else willing to go there. the white house says it is wrong to connect the attacker to the president, but some democrats are pointing to the president's rhetoric. cri time and time again the president has embraced and emboldened white supremacists. >> the president has dipped into these provocative waters. this brings back memories. sarah is mentioning charlottesville and how president trump did not denounce it strongly enough. clearly from the administration and during the campaign this brings up his call for a travel ban against muslims. he later looked to put that into
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policy. changing it a bit to make it countries that he says were not about muslims, but most of the countries put on this list were muslim majority countries. so the democrats have been given ammunition, enough political ammunition to make these connections. richard bloomenthal and beto o'rourke are talking about these things. it's likely this could be part of the 2020 campaign as well. this is an issue going on. president trump in his remarks said that he did not see this as a rise, but that obviously contradicts what the prime minister said with that clip that you played. i want to pivot to the president's first veto. sarah, how difficult would it be to get that two-thirds majority required in each chamber of congress to override his veto what are the political calculations here for the republican senators? >> for the republican senators what is notable is the two
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senators who did not support this who decided to stick with trump who are up for re-election in 2020, tom tillis and cory gardner. both of them decided to stick with the president, which is a sign of what is to come in 2020 and how we can expect these candidates to stay in line with the president to avoid a primary from the right. i cover the house, i talk to house republicans every day, there is no way that there will be 50 republicans who will vote with democrats on this. the last time they voted on this, there were about 13 republicans willing to buck the party. they would need more than 50 to have a veto override be successful. virtually no one on capitol hill is talking about that as a reality. instead what this will be is another chance for democrats to really hammer republicans on this, force them to go on the record, force them to take these uncomfortable positions against the white house. that's what we'll see on march 26th when the households that
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vote. >> let's listen to what the president said about those 12 republican senators who voted against his emergency declaration. >> i put no pressure on anybody. i actually said i could have gotten some of them to come along. i said i want you to vote your heart. do what you want to do. i'm not putting any pressure. i'll let them know when there's pressure, okay? >> franco, what do you think no pressure on republicans? >> president trump -- i will agree with president trump, when he wants to put pressure on them, he will. it's in the form of social media and twitter. he has a lot of power with his mobile phone. he can also use his allies around the administration. sarah mentioned tom tillis. tom tillis wrote an op-ed in the "washington post" talking about integrity and honesty and that he would not support president trump on this issue. he turned in the last minute. he is up for re-election. that is definitely an issue that will come up in 2020.
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president trump still wealds great power among the republican party. we have seen that over the last couple of months. he's had some difficult months with the shutdown. with allegations of the mueller investigation, with cohen. yet he still holds a lot of power among republicans. his support is almost 90% in approval ratings. he holds great power. we'll continue to see that. i agree. i think we'll see this in 2020. >> 90%, that's a daunting number for republicans. does a presidential veto help trump in his reelection campaign? how do you expect him to use this veto to rally his base? >> i think we'll see the president seize on this as a chance for him to say democrats won't support the border. they won't secure the border. we saw the other day the president put out his budget request for the next fiscal year, he's asking for more than $8 billion for his border wall. this suggests this issue is not going away and that he will be
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foe kissicusing on this in the to 2020. disagreed with him on ukes him a mpolicy, but it is the first time it has reached his desk for a veto, we'll see him seize on this and the border security issue, blaming democrats since we're in an era of divided government and he can put the issue on speaker nancy pelosi, blame her for this and i think we'll see him do that. >> franco, last word to you here. >> this is president trump's bread and butter issue. border security and immigration is what he launched with his 2016 campaign. we've seen many times in the past when president trump is in an uncomfortable position, he goes back to this including when he came under great controversy for the family separation policies. there's no question that this is going to continue to be a very
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significant issue. it's obviously also a significant issue for democrats. they're using it to kind of build support among their base. i agree. this is a huge 2020 issue. it's going to be a lot of coverage about it. >> a long road ahead. thank you both so much for joining us. >> thank you. dozens of wealthy parents are in some hot water over that massive college admissions cheating scandal at some of the country's top schools. why more charges could be on the way. i've got to tell you
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new fallout this morning in the college admissions scam that led to at least 50 people facing felony fraud charges including felicity huffman and lori loughlin. while dozens of wealthy parents have been charged, more could emerge. the schools involved include the university of southern california, ucla, stanford and yale but are said not to be criminal targets in the investigation. katie, good morning. can you help take us through the charges and the sentencing guidelines. >> the charges are significant. felonies, when you deal with things like wire afraid, mail fraud, racketeering, conspiracy to commit racketeering, these are significant charges. each could lead up to 20 years in federal prison.
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if you think of an "a" list or "b" list celebrity who has never done jail time, the prospect of 20 years in prison must be daunting. but is the punishment going to be commensurate with the crime? we'll see, but it has violated the sense of trust. the idea that maybe the last place of merit-based admissions was college, and now we see you can bribe and pay your way into an excellent university. >> these two actresses are the most high profile in the case. huffman allegedly paid $15,000 to get her daughter a better test score and lori loughlin paid $500,000 to get her daughters into usc creating an athletic profile as crew athletes. which do you think is worse? >> i won't sit there and compare the two evils. i will say this. when you are applying into colleges and supposed to have it be a merit-based decisionmaking process, the bottom line is some
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other sddeserving child did not get into one of these schools. if you look at the fact that the crime committed is one with a far reaching impacted where y, o look at the totality of the conduct and say what is the justice received by prosecuting these parents, the real boots on the ground co-conspirators. the guy who actually took the test. you have to look at their conduct, the conduct of the parents. everybody keeps asking me do i think they'll be doing jail time? i think they'll look at probation and significant restituti restitution, but i don't think those parents will be doing a lot of jail time. >> the bail for loughlin and her husband is $1 million. huffman's was $250,000. why the disparity? is it the nature of the crimes? >> usually you don't have a huge
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disparity in terms of standard bond amounts. it could be the issue that there was more money involved. oftentimes in federal crimes, the amount of money involved could dictate things. we know lori loughlin travels a lot internationally. she was filming in canada when it came out she would be arrested and charged with these crimes. so she had to give up her passport. it's amazing, more is coming out these days. the actual tipster who kind of got this whole ball rolling into this investigation is a guy who is being investigated for securities fraud. in order to get leniency in his sentencing, he said there's a yale coach, and, you know, i was told i could bribe him to get my daughter into yale. and that's what led them to the guy at yale, the yale soccer coach who back in april of 2018 started cooperating with the
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fbi. he's the guy who led them to rick singer. so everybody started wearing wires. there was consensual recordings. all of the texts and e-mails were turned over. that's why the net that has been cast in the case has been so big. that's why you have seen so many people arrested. >> a lot of people being thrown under the bus here. you mentioned the totality of the conduct, do you think they were fully aware that their actions were of a krcriminal nature? >> i don't think any of these defendants could ever claim that they were unaware their conduct was criminal. you're corroborated by their words, messages and voices. you have them on tape saying they knew their kids would not sit for these tests, or that their kids faces would be superimposed on internet photos of other student athletes. you have to ask yourself, too, are the institutions liable? we know several lawsuits have
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been filed since this huge announcement of this fbi investigation and the arrests that have occurred. so these lawsuits brought basically say what did you do as the financial institution to protect and safeguard against this type of crime. we'll have to see if the college admissions process changes at all of these top universities. >> might be a lot of fallout. as always, appreciate your insight. thank you. the new "time" magazine cover asks the question do they dare? why democrats will likely impeach the president. but what would convince the house speaker to go along with it? that's next. first in late night laugh lines, the sentencing of paul manafort, adding up the time. >> paul manafort really pleaded with the judge. he said i'm 70 years old. please let me and my wife be together. so she threw his wife in prison, too. >> on count two, to run consecutive to his other sentences. let's see here, 60 months, 16
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president trump overruled congress friday after street towi vetoing the resolution blocking his emergency border wall. hallie jackson has more on this. what's the latest? >> good morning to you. this morning president trump is spending his weekend kicking it off here at the white house after issuing the first ever veto of his presidency. he issued that veto on a bill he called a reckless resolution it was something that was meant to in effect try to block that declaration of a national emergency along the border. 12 republican senators had joined in with democrats to vote against the president on that. but the president seemed to really dismiss any internal gop drama when he spoke with reporters in the oval office. he basically said, hey, i didn't
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put pressure on those republicans who voted against me. i said to them vote your heart. the the president also sounded confident in his approach to the national emergency calling this a strong case. as you know this will be tied up in courts. there's some discussion among democrats that this rebuke of the president by both republicans and democrats in congress could actually help bolster the legal case against the national emergency declaration. so lots of moving pieces here in washington. and for president trump, a kind of milestone in his administration with that veto. back to you. >> all right. thank you. now let's bring in democratic strategist zack pikanis, he worked for hillary clinton's presidential campaign and republican strategist, ash wright, he was the political director for the reason republi party of texas. zack, any concerns that president trump might be quicker now using vetoes now that he
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knows he can use his presidential powers to get what he wants? >> i think this shows this has been a disastrous four months for the trump administration. this veto is part of the continuing fallout from the government shutdown that began in december. the national emergency declaration was part of a strategy to save face for this white house, because the shutdown was so disastrous. both the shutdown and the national emergency are wildly unpopular with the american public. this veto strategy yesterday is a doubling down on this failed unpopular strategy. i'll tell you, while it's unpopular with the american people, it's even more unpopular with congressional republicans being forced again and again to back up this strategy to put themselves on the record in favor of something that is deeply unpopular. so i don't think the white house or congressional republicans come out of this thinking they're going to get political
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benefits of this. they're just trying to contain the fallout. >> we saw the picture there, the faces of those 12 senate republicans, the defectors in essence who voted against the emergency declaration. how do you see this shifting dynamic between the white house and congress moving forward? >> i don't think it shifts the dynamic much. there's been a lot of tension between congress, the senate and the president. this is a lot of political theater playing out along pennsylvania avenue. there is a historical precedence for this. barack obama's first veto while he was president came in october of 2010 when democrats held both the congress and the senate. so there is historical precedence for this. the reality for the president, this will actually help him on the campaign trail heading into 2020. we all know he is his best when he's fighting not just against democrats but also against republicans. he will take this to the campaign trail. it will really help bolster him heading into the 2020 election.
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it's a matter of border security for him. that is an issue polling high for the american people. he has to find the right angle to do it at. it's unfortunate it's inside of our party and we have 12 people against him. but the reality is i think the president is on this message. he's right on his message. he'll use this to his benefit in the 2020el election. this week nancy pelosi seemed to pour cold water on the suggested impeachment effort. here she is on thursday trying to clarify her remarks. >> if the mueller report comes back with information, i don't think we should impeach a president for political republicans and i don't think we should not impeach a president because of political reasons. you have to be ironclad in your facts. >> that sounds like she's doing a balancing act. why is that? >> i think she is doing a balancing act. we have a great number of
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investigations that are going on. there's not only the mueller investigation, but there's the u.s. attorneys of the southern district of new york, an eastern district of virginia, the district of columbia, attorneys general investigations in the states and congressional investigations. so i think it makes complete sense to see where these investigations lead us and to continue to build a case to the american people about why this president is so dangerous. let's just remember, we had one public hearing so far with a donald trump associate, michael cohen. he implicated the president in at least 11 different felonies, some of which i didn't know about and i follow this stuff pretty closely. there are more public hearings that will shed more light on the criminal activity that is coming out of this white house. i think it makes a total amount of sense to bring the public along, educate them before talking about the big "i" word.
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>> do you think it's possible that an impeachment effort would strengthen support among republicans? >> absolutely. i think that's right. it bolsters the president if they go down that road. nancy pelosi i think got this one right. when she said you have to have compelling overwhelming and bipartisan support for an impeachment. the evidence has to be clear and just very laid out front for the american people. there's been accusations against the president, but not from sources that the american people as a whole would consider credible. so that's -- i think they're making the right play here. setting it to the side. looking at other options while they have it until they can find hard evidence that a bipartisan movement in congress and the senate can get behind. >> all right. stick around. we have much more to discuss with you later. coming up, from margins to the mainstream. the terrifying events in new
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now to the latest fallout from the mass shooting in new zealand. security experts say white nationalism is a rising global threat. pete williams reports that those
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experts say u.s. intelligence agencies need to make it a priority. >> authorities in new zealand say the gunman charged with these attacks was inspired in part by other white nationalists who used violence in the past and security experts say this is a sign of the global spread of this kind of extremism. police are stepping up patrols around mosques nationwide from new york to los angeles, no known threat here, they say, strictly a precaution. >> our message to them is one of we are here with you. >> reporter: but terrorism experts say white extremism has become a global threat. >> we've seen white supremacists move from the margins to the mainstreams and cleverly use social media and other forms of technology to spread across borders. >> reporter: adl says right-wing extremism caused 50 deaths last year. authorities in new zealand say the gunman there drew inspiration from other white
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nationalists, especially anders brevick who killed 77 people in a gun and bomb attack in norway eight years ago. last month a coast guard official in maryland was arrested. security experts say a common thread of white nationalism is fierce opposition to immigration, calling it invasion. in a document the new zealand attacker appears to have posted online he said he considered president trump a symbol of renewed white identity but was also critical of the president. the president condemned the attack. >> i think it's a horrible, disgraceful thing and a horrible ability. >> do you see white nationalism as a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people who have very serious problems. >> reporter: a former top fbi counter terror agent who investigated the 9/11 attacks says right-wing extremism is not getting enough attention from police or u.s. intelligence.
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>> we need to deal with the domestic terrorism threat as a national priority. so far it's not. we don't have, for example, congressional hearings about these kinds of things. it's not part of any national strategy. >> security experts say this form of terrorism is anti-islamic, anti semitic and anti-immigrant. they say the common thread for white violent extremists is hate for people who are different. back to you. >> all right. that was pete williams. joining me now is editor for the daily beast and msnbc contributor. chris, before we talk about new zealand, we see a lot of commotion behind you, even some smoke. can you tell us what's going on there? >> sure. behind me you can hear the police flash bombs going off. those clouds you see are tear gas. the yellow vests are the yellow
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vest movement. among those yellow vests, we should make clear there have always been a certain number of people who are white supremacists and white nationalists and who use that to exploit those symbols who are anti immigrant. it doesn't mean all those people are that way, but some of them are and they exploit this situation and they bring extra violence to it. you can hear some of the bangs going off. >> yeah. >> when we talk about white nationalism, we are talking about a small group of people who are terrorists, but they move in a much broader group of sympathizers. and a lot of people get drawn into this. that is to some extent what we've seen with the yellow vest movement. >> you touched on it, i want to broaden the conversation a bit about perspective, hopefully you can provide some to us on those attacks that happened in new zealand and the rise of white nationalism in europe an other parts of the world. >> you know, in fact, the whole
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74-page manifesto is largely based on a book written by a french far-right author back after 9/11, he took old streams of racism that have existed here at least back into the 19th century, fear of being replaced, fear of a vast international conspiracy. before 9/11 it was all blamed on the jews. this author decided to replace the jews with islam as the people who needed to be hated and who are going to replace the white europeans. that is an old game, but it's one that's been given new life and new legitimacy by kind of discourse we've heard from in europe and in the united states, people like donald trump and people who think he is a great example of white identity. let's be clear, the shooter in new zealand explicitly said that
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while he didn't like trump's policies, thought they were too soft, he was a great example of white identity. >> and, again, can you give us more insight about the history of what's going on behind you? we're seeing these pretty dramatic images here of the clashes going on behind you. just a little background on the yellow vest movement and the protests going on and how long have they been going on? >> it started in november as a protest mainly by rural -- people from rural france against an increase in gasoline and diesel prices, which was going to make it harder for people in depopulated areas, and a lot of rural france has been depopulated. almost 90% of the french population lives in cities. it made it harder for them to drive where they needed to go. eventually rather quickly it was taken over by anarchists, by white supremacists, and a leaderless movement that became more and more violent. about the third weekend of
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demonstrations -- this goes on every saturday, they were burning buildings around here. across from me is a restaurant that was completely burned out. their numbers have been going down sfteadily. initially it was 260,000 people in the streets, now it's 26,000. they're saying let's trash the city and make it clear we're a force to be reckoned with. it's going to be an ugly day today here in paris. >> they're using saturdays to come together to do this? like it's a weekly soccer game or something like that? why are they choosing saturday? why are they doing the rest of the week? why choose this day to do that? >> they choose saturday because it's a day off. a lot of them have jobs. a lot to of them don't have jobs, but a lot of them do out in rural france for the most part. some of them are students, they're in school. they come in on saturday.
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it's become their thing. this is the 18th saturday in a row they've done this. >> wow. all right. weekly ritual. shocking to see. thank you as always for your insight. a lot going on there. coming up, why beto o'rourke appears to be changing his thinking on some issues. will that make him more appealing to moderate voters? e appealing to moderate voters ♪ ♪ hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social security number on the dark web. good, cuz i'm a little worried about my information getting out. why's that? [bird speaking] my social is 8- 7- 5 dash okay, i see. [bird laughing] somebody thinks it's hilarious. free social security alerts from discover.
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now to the 2020 race and newly announced candidate beto o'rourke joining the debate on health care and climate change and immigration. he now says this about the proposal. >> that is one of the ways we get to ensure we get to high quality insurance for every american. i'm not sure that is the fastest way to get there. the proposal i've learned more about by jan that's called medicare for america allows people to keep employer-based insurance. many want to do that right now and are happy with the care they receive and network they're in.
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complements that by ensuring everyone who doesn't have that . >> back for more is zach and ash wright. zach, what do you make of beto o'rourke's campaign rollout so far? >> it has been mixed, but good overall. i'm a big beto o'rourke fan. part of the thing we like about beto o'rourke are the things that are drawbacks for the presidential campaign. we are seeing this here. we like that he speaks off the cuff. we like he goes into crowds and feels authentic. you know, there is a reason why candidates don't do that and think through what they say before they go out and say it. this is one of the problems with a kind of campaign that feels running by the seat of his pants at this moment. he has, you know, you can say his position on medicare for all
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now is more authentic, but it also could be opening himself up to flip flopping. i think that what he needs to do is just take a beat and get his campaign in order before he starts going off and making policy positions he cannot reverse down the line. that would serve him well in the long term. the snenate race was different. he will be under enormous scrutiny compared to the senate campaign that was very national. every single thing he does matters. every word he says matters. >> i want to talk about that senate race. ash, you worked for the republican party in texas. you are familiar with the map and how o'rourke came close to taking that senate seat from ted cruz. how worried are republicans about his appeal translating to the rest of the country?
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>> we have a demographic problem in texas. in the last 15 years, the economic and population growth we experienced has been unmatched across the country. people are flocking from california and new york and bringing their voting habits with them. they were moving in metro areas and now it is moving to the suburban areas. in the state of texas, we have 254 counties, but 50% of all votes in the state were cast in eight counties alone. that number was actually just over ten counties in 2014 and eight in 2016 and now down to seven in 2018. the problem for beto and zac got it right. he is a likeable guy. his ability to go off the cuff and be the beto. that opens him up to scrutiny over what he faced in texas
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where demographics carried him with ted cruz. i think the question is how does he take the beto from texas and make it work nationally. he will struggle on that for the next couple months and we will see how it evens out moving into probably late this year and the 2020 campaign. >> he did very well in the big cities. he won the big counties. harris county and houston and dallas and el paso and austin. short of winning that senate seat. zac, politico is reporting on the fixation with joe biden. the democratic base won't accept the former vice president's centrist view. how important is that for biden? >> we call him uncle joe. he is beloved. everybody loves biden. he is incredibly popular. this idea that is thrown around
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from the white house he cannot win a democratic primary is bogus. they should not count joe biden out. donald trump is right to be concerned about joe biden. he is somebody that can pull together the obama coalition that trounced republicans in previous elections. he is not the only one. poll after poll shows nearly every democratic contender on our side is going to be able to beat donald trump, which is not to say it will be an easy election, but, he should be scared of more than joe biden. >> zac and ash, thank you for joining us. coming up, falling stars. how the celebrities caught in the college cheating scandal are already paying a steep price. alread y paying a steep price what should with it first? (man) road trip. (woman) yes. (woman) off-road trip. (couple) [laughter] (couple vo) whoa!
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