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and the beer chases my blues away ♪ >> for all the garth fans out there, we ask you, would that song covert michael cohen or does it sound like a made-up giannulli defense? there is a country song, maybe you know it. i had to have this talk with you. my happiness depends on you and whatever you decide to do. jolene or michael cohen in this case and that would be quoting dolly pardon. trump set the ambush. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. as this city and the country of course await the delivery of the special counsel's final report, the president is proving that old habits die hard. today he said something brazenly
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new and undeniably trumpian, that there should be no mueller report whatsoever. in a twitter tirade today, misquoting from a right wing news outlet this morning, the president wrote new evidence that the obama-era team at the fbi, the doj, and cia were working together to spy on and take out president trump. all the way back in 2015. well, the catalyst for his latest outburst, according to "the washington post" was a long-debunked conspiracy theory that the fbi infiltrated trump's campaign, something the "post" described as unmitigated nonsense. nevertheless, trump went on to say the special counsel should never have been appointed and there should be no mueller report. this was an illegal and conflicted investigation in search of a crime, this should never happen to a president
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again. he has a well-documented history of creating conspiracy theories, in this case to undermine the whole russia investigation. in 2017 trump made the false accusation that former president obama had him wire-tapped. he's promoted the groundless allegations that it was hillary clinton, not his campaign, that colluded with russia. he said the special counsel was meddling with the elections and prop gated the conspiracy theory that cnn, tipped off, presumably by authorities, to the arrest of roger stone. all of this has been a deliberate smoke screen intended to distort and discredit the findings of the special counsel the moment the report is released. this comes as mueller's prosecutors filed a new memo in the case of campaign chair rick gates, having already delayed his sentencing on four occasions, both mueller and gates are requesting another
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60-day postponement saying gates continues to cooperate with respect to several ongoing investigations. that's fascinating. joining me is ro khanna of california a member of the house oversight committee. tim o'brien is the executive editor at bloomberg opinion. tell us the story, why is this president -- it may be a rational reason for this, crazy like a fox reason. does he hear the foot step final report coming and he's trying to put out the word in his crazy way that everything that is catching him in the act of collusion, obstruction, whatever, is all part of a conspiracy to get him from the time he was born? that's basically what he's pushing. your thoughts? >> as you noted in the top of the program, chris, everything old is new again. this is not new behavior by the president. he's been trying to undermine the integrity of the investigation of the people prosecuting it since it began. and i think it's because he's
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concerned about the possible outcomes that all of this entails to his family, his business, his administration, the transition team, the inauguration. there's not any part of his life as a politician or businessman that this investigation doesn't touch. typically when he's gone on a spree on twitter, slagging everyone in the investigation, it is because he hears foot steps and he wants to criticize it as a witch hunt or explain it away. i think what's interesting about some of the events today is yesterday and the day before you had a lot of anticipation in the media that mueller investigation was coming to a conclusion. large liquor largely i think recently eyou had one of the senior prosecutors involved in it was leaving mueller's office and it appeared that ribbons were being around some of this. i think what you got today with
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rick gates, there's a request now to extend the investigation an extra 60 days. you know there's a request to extend the investigation. as part of that they said there are still several ongoing investigations that would with suggest mueller wants to tie up. i think it's interesting we still haven't heard much about where this will go relative to jared kushner, donald trump jr., and even the president. there was some indications that mueller was not going to put the president under oath. perhaps there's still time to do that. the bottom line is we don't know what's going on internally. but generally the president is a good barometer of when things are heating up because he takes to twitter. >> this year rooingd reminds me when we're dealing with a terrorist, a lot of charter and noise level we're picking up with this metadata. he likes like a guy with a creative ambushes. my 40 plus% of the country is going to believe me and not me.
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>> we just voted 420-0 for the mueller report to be public. jim jordan and mark meadows who defends trump if you have one word of criticism, i mean, they're voting for this report to be public. >> why do you think they're motivated to say the public deserves to know the truth. >> because they take him at his word. if there's no collusion, what's there to hide? trump is surviving for one reason. it has nothing to do with the law, it has nothing to do with ed -- evidence. it has to do with the republican majority. and he has to be careful if he's going to put them in a tough vote and they can't vote for concealing the mueller report. i think he's miscalculating his politics. >> legally all this is just throwing dust in people's faces. does it help? is there a public jury out there he's working? in the end, isn't it like nixon, the tapes with nixon, the evidence is going to bring him
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down or not. it's not what the public on the right thinks. >> so the actual jury would be the senate. the president, if impeached, would be impeached by the congress and the senate would determine whether he's removed from office. so to the extent he's saying that it's a rigged investigation and that the mueller report will be compromised, that's playing into his base, both with the politics and the republicans in the senate. so there could be a battle if the justice department doesn't release the mueller report, so if the senate and congress hold to their word, they'll subpoena the report. i don't know how that would come out. the report is supposed to be a confidential report to the attorney general. and then the attorney general submits another report to congress. if barr's report is incomplete. if it seems like he's trying to hide something, that's when congress acts to subpoena.
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that could go all the way to the supreme court. >> well, somebody's hiding stuff because after that take-home exam the president got months ago, we still haven't seen a word from it. at least we haven't. anyway, with multiple outlets reporting the special counsel report could be delivered imminently. we have surprisingly few answers to several key questions raised over this long investigation. for example jerome corsi rejected a plea deal at the risk of being indicted. will he still be charged. what about george nadir? what information did he provide? then there's that mystery foreign corporation that resisted mueller's subpoena. and what evidence is mueller seeking there? and michael flynn who was quote significant. so what did he provide? and what about the material seized from roger stone and all that stuff in his basement and what was found there? those are some of the outstanding questions hanging over the probe. cut?
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>> it seems like it is wrapping up and seems closer to the end than the beginning. i think that is very safe to say. but we just found out today that rick gates is continuing his cooperation, not just with new york prosecutors or prosecutors in d.c. or whoever, but with mueller's team. he is answering questions about the donations to trump's inaugural committee, for example. he's answering questions about the middle east influence into trump's campaign. this isn't just about russia, right? rick gates is the silent person in the background who had direct visibility into the things his boss, paul manafort, was doing throughout the entire campaign. and paul manafort i'm increasingly convinced is the lynch pin of this case. >> rick gates and paul manafort, were both at that havana cigar bar meeting with the russian, kilimnik. if there was a conspiracy, it's hard to imagine that manafort wasn't part of it, right? >> right. >> is that fair to say?
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>> he was the one member of the campaign with the most high level of ties to russians, kilimnik, all the dealings he had with oligarchs. and rick gates was at the havana club when he shared the internal trump campaign polling data just after the dnc convention when the wikileaks were dumped just after the ukraine platform was changed to be more favorable towards russia, the rnc convention. this was a very pivotal moment in the campaign. and the fact he was handing over 75 pages of internal polling data and discussing a plan for ukraine that was favorable to russia, it just raises a lot of questions about whether paul manafort's story is really over when it comes to mueller. >> go ahead. >> just to add to what natasha is saying. to a a prosecutor, that meeting
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at the bar stoininks to high heaven. paul manafort in the middle of a busy campaign, takes time to go to a cigar bar with a former russian intelligence officer. he gives them proprietary data from the trump campaign and they all leave through separate doors. come on, now. something fishy went down. >> and why did he give him proprietary campaign data? i would think that it was probably to suggest that donald trump had a good shot at becoming president of the united states. he was signaling this would someone they would have to deal diplomatically, so they should line up at the door. >> you've just heard gates is still being interviewed, gates was in the room with the russians. if there was collusion it must have been manafort related. this could be developing into the final collusion report. >> and here's why it matters.
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there is evidence possibly that trump had a policy towards ukraine that was softer and didn't stand up to russia because of this collusion. i mean, here's the irony. for the party that brags about winning the cold war, the republicans, and reagan, they seem oblivious to the fact that our policy towards russia and ukraine might be influenced by a president -- >> going author. >> and then on saudi arabia where rick gates was there where tom bar rick wants to put nuclear reactors. they have a whole plan to do this because of deals that tom's ran his inaugural committee it's mind-boggling to me that you wouldn't have republicans saying american national security matters. >> seems like it's all transactional. everything has to do with trump and the deals he had and the associates he set up. i always wondered why did paul
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manafort known particularly as a guy who deals with russians became his top guy? >> chris, you were on the hill. there used to be a time where people cared about the country. you would never compromise america's national interest. here you have an administration where we have evidence maybe influencing american foreign policy because of a person's personal gain. >> i was there in another era where people like reagan wanted to negotiate with a good russian, gorbachev. ro khanna of california. paul butler, sir, great vigor here. this may become something. maybe we cracked it here. but it does seem to fall together. it has to do with rick gates talking. he was in the room and knows what he's talking about and he wants to give it to the special counsel. it looks like he's got a lot of story to tell. that could be the final chapter we're looking at. tim o'brien, thank you for your experience. coming up, terror in new
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zealand 8,000 miles away. how much are politicians to blame when they spout the toxic rhetoric of fear because there is a global market for hate? trump's big defeat. big defet >> congress has the freedom to pass this resolution, and i have the duty to veto it, and i'm very proud to veto it. >> the president gets out his veto pen after a dozen senate republicans join in a bipartisan rebuke of him. is trump's own party finally turning on him? much more ahead. stick with us. customize my insurance. and as a fitness junkie, i customize everything, like my bike, and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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what heavily armed man fired indiscriminately at terrified worshippers, killing 41 of them. it's believed that same man who was apparently live streaming the massacre, can you believe that, drove four miles to the linwood mosque in christchurch and murdered seven more a. 49th victim later died at the hop. dozens more are being treated right now for gunshot wounds. authorities warned the death toll could rise. the suspect a 20-year-old man from australia has been charged with murder and made his first court appearance a short time ago. australia's prime minister described him as an extremist right wing terrorist. authorities are investigating the apparent manifesto the shooter left behind filled with white supremacist views. two others have been taken into custody as police trying to determine what role they played. jacinda ardern, the prime minister of new zealand, condemned the attack. >> many of those directly affected by the shooting may be
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migrants to new zealand. they may even be refugees here. they have chosen to make new zealand their home and it is their home. they are us. the person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not. they have no place in new zealand. there is no place in new zealand for such acts of extreme and unprecedented violence, which it is clear this act was. >> meanwhile in the united states, civil rights groups say they have been seeing an uptick in hate-motivated crimes of late. according to the fbi the number increased for the third consecutive year starting in 2016. the counsel on american islamic relations has seen an 17% increase in anti-muslim incidents nationwide. the gold star father and rabbi chuck diamond in pittsburgh, remember that, who suffered a similar gun attack when a gunman
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entered their temple killing 11 people. this is such a beautiful country. i was just there with part of my family, my wife and her sister and brother-in-law. it's a quiet country. it's rural, beautiful farms, people that are very nice to you. there's a little bit of ethnic diversity in auckland and christchurch, but it's not a city crowded with border wars and neighborhood fights. it just seems horrible that they went after this little islamic community of immigrants, mainly from india. >> first, chris, my heart felt condolences to the victims of this heinous murder. to all muslims at large and people of other faiths as well, i was saddened to hear the tragedy. it is that kind of peaceful
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communities that these terrorists seek where there is less challenge so that they can maximize their victims. one quick caution to all faith communities today is that, please, please, protect your places of worship, protect to the max, protect your gatherings. they do not distinguish between one faith or the other. today it is muslim. yesterday it was my brothers and sisters at tree of life in pittsburgh. prior to that it was the african-american christians in the church. prior to that it was sikh brothers and sisters. it is that, this hate is disguised under the name of
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supremacy. one quick caution that i wish to leave you with this thought, and that is, in this division and hate, there is a foreign hand. our adversaries wish to sow this hate and division so that we will continue to fight this for many years to come. >> let me go to you on that. rabbi, thank you for coming on because this must bring back terrible memories. the hatred of the other, it's really what that's about. and the other is anyone differentia different than you, different religious belief. butbi hatred with fire power, the ability to reel off bullet after bullet by just pulling a trigger a few times, it's not like walking and punching a couple guys, it's not an old street fight, we're
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talking about the ability to walk in and blow away 41 people, drive to another place of worship a few miles away, shoot seven more. the the collision of this, but it take any guts to do it. you just go in and do it if you have the guns. your thoughts? >> yeah, i agree and i agree with everything mr. khan said. mr. khan, you're one of my super heroes. i appreciate all the sacrifices your family have made for this country, and i hope that at some point in the future you and i can arm in arm go together to do good things in the world. chris, i've said that. it takes hatred and guns and you could see the damage it does. i was devastated to hear the news coming from new zealand, how pittsburgh, squirrel hill in pittsburgh, such a lovely community, this will never happen to us, and it did. new zealand, everybody talks about new zealand being such a
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wonderful country, which it is, yet it can happen there. it can happen anywhere. and we have to be diligent, we have to watch each other's backs, and we have to appreciate people for who they are, for being people. you're right, chris, this is about hatred, hatred of others, people who are different. but you know, mr. khan, you and i aren't so different. we share a lot. the attack on new zealand was an attack on all of us. >> the council on american islamic relations condemned the mosque attacks and called on leaders to address islamophobia. let's watch that. >> we ask our political leaders to address the growing menace of islamophobia and hate that has been perpetrated by political leaders, by ideal ogz, blacks,
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jews, muslims, and all minorities we hold them accountability because their words matter, their policies matter. >> president trump who condemned the attack seemed to minimize the threat of white nationalism generally. let's watch him here. >> do you think white nationalism is a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible thing, terrible thing. >> why do you think he plays it down? >> this is nothing new. this is political expediency. he is known for that.
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he will exploit anything to benefit himself. he's talking on behalf of his base. this is what this terrorist in new zealand wrote in his manifesto. he says trump is the symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose. >> if somebody comes into country without papers and kills somebody in san francisco, anywhere, the victims are all angels. i understand why he does that. but in a case are a white nationalist kills a bunch of people, it's very short. let's move on. let's get over this quickly. it's an isolated case of a guy who, quote, has problems. i'm not sure what that meant. it's a dangerous way of phrasing it. who knows what he was doing with that phrase.
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he was very discriminatory in when he condemns. >> his words matter. i don't know enough about the situation. you know enough to tell that it's wrong. this is wrong. the killing of people in new zealand is wrong. white supremacy is wrong. it's not a matter of good people on both sides. and i think the rhetoric, the statements have to be stronger from our leaders. and also the people who enable our leaders who let them get away with these -- chris, this show is called "hardball." eye see this as willfulle ball. how hard is it to realize that. >> we have a global market now for hatred. during the 2016 campaign, candidate trump repeatedly spoke about the threat coming from the muslim community. he was very direct about this, and from people of the islamic faith because the faith itself he said was awful.
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he threatened to implement a ban on muslims to the country because they're zblumsz look, there's something going on. >> the muslim community has to help us. they're not helping us. the muslim community is not reporting what's going on. >> the muslims have to work with us. they have to work with us. they know what's going on. >> we have to look at the muslims and we have to do something. we cannot stand by and be the stupid people while our country is destroyed. >> i think islam hates us. there's something there -- there's tremendous hatred. we have to get to the bottom of it. there's an unbelievable hatred of us. >> how wrong he is. there are over 10,000 muslim soldiers serving in the united states army that have taken the oath to defend the constitution and this country.
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there are hundreds of first responders in new york that respond to the call of duty without regards to religion and all. muslims are physicians. muslims are in various professions serving most patriotically serving in this nation. how wrong he is, like on every issue. he is a ship without a rudder. that is why we see all these investigations, all this corruption that is coming together now on surface, so that this nation knows now where we are headed. my only concern is that how would we recover from this hate and division. >> we're talking about it. that's the start. thank you, sir. thank you for your contribution to this country. rabbi, you seem like a great guy. >> thank you, chris. >> howard fineman is from
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squirrel hill. >> we went to the same high school. not at the same time. >> i'm sure you were both "a" students. thank you very much, rabbi chuck diamond. up next, president trump's first veto returns a measure approved by a republican-controlled senate. he got beat in his own house. is this a sign republicans are ready to stand up? back after this. i can't believe. that we just hit the motherlode of soft-serve ice cream? i got cones, anybody wants one! oh, yeah! get ya some! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. ed! ed! we struck sprinkles! [cheers] believe it. geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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welcome back to "hardball." president trump has issued the first veto of his presidency. it came just one day after the republican-controlled senate delivered an embarrassing rebuke of this president on his signature issue, passing a resolution they did to terminate his national emergency declaration at the southern border. >> i will be signing and issuing a formal veto of this reckless resolution. and that's what it was. and i have to in particular thank the republicans, strong, wonderful people, the republican senators that were on our side and on the side of border security. they were very courageous yesterday and i appreciate that very much. congress' vote to deny the crisis on the southern border is a vote against reality. today i am vetoing this resolution. congress has the freedom to pass
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this resolution, and i have the duty to veto it. >> a dozen republican senators crossed party lines to vote with the democrats on the measure blocking the national emergency declaration. "the new york times" reports the president may have found congress' breaking point here, noting the mere act of defying mr. trump fore shadows potential new difficulty for the president as he seeks to push his agenda through a democratic-controlled house and a less pliant republican-controlled senate. the house, by the way, will vote to override president trump's veto later this month, although it's adopted fall short of the necessary two-thirds short to override. i'm joined by david jolly, former republican congressman from florida who is no longer affiliated with the party and jason johnson, politics editor. i got to start with you, formerly mr. republican. democrats fall in love. republicans fall in line. is this a one off or the beginning of something big?
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>> i think it's more of a one off, chris. at the end of the day i don't think the political issue will be over this question of executive authority. much like during the immigration deities over president obama's executive orders, at the end of the day your voters in 2020 want to know where you are on policy. and i think a lot of these republicans that may have stepped out of line, if you will, will still be running on donald trump's border security agenda, still on building the wall. i think the bigger issue here, the bigger vulnerability for the president himself is today he writes into law with this veto that he lied to his supporters and the american people about mexico paying for it. i think that's the message that hits the president where it hurts, this debate over executive authority while historically exceedingly important, is not likely to be a political issue in 2020. >> can i challenge you on that? do you think any voter knowing that there's nationalism, we call it patriotism on our side of the border. we call it nationalism on their side, that any voter honestly
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thinks that the mexican government would survive a day if they built a giant wall keeping their people in the way the east germans and the russians did back in the cold war? build a wall to keep your people from leaving the country. you really think republican voters are that dumb that they would believe such a thing? >> i think trump has cultivated such loyalists, he has defined the issue for the voters, and the voters have accepted it. at the end of the day, look, if the president's running on border security and democrats are saying we're not there with the president, i don't know who wins that debate in 2020 to be honest, chris. >> i want to rub in my point. you got elected by republicans for a while there, and you think they're as soft-headed as naive to buy that another country will accept our majesty, the goliath of the north, and bow to us and say, oh, yes, master, we will build a wall and pay for it so
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you'll be happy none of our people get into your country. that's insane. >> you're breaking down the trump coalition here. i would say you've got 60% to 70% are trump loyalists. >> i don't see people big becoming that dump. >> not that people believe that, you're exactly right. it's what i call the for-profit republicans that put green dollars in their back pockets but at the ends the base is the base, and yes, they believe donald trump. >> let me think. what do you think, jason? let's talk about today. the republicans have been adamantly with this guy, 88%, 9 out of 10 republican voters like this guy and they stick with him as doing a good job >> right. look, the republican base is going to stick with him because their explanation for everything whenever trump fails policy wise, it's always agrees' fault. they believe in him and his principles. they just think he's surrounded
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by weaklings who aren't committed to his agenda. if you think of the main principles of the trump campaign in 2016. it was getting rid of obamacare and building that wall. he's failed twice. these are the things he promised. he failed to get rid of obamacare when he had complete control of the house and senate. >> i'm more romantic. let me try this by you. i grew up with watching boxing every friday night. we love boxing. it was always marisour hero cam along, muhammad ali. but he had to beat a guy who was unbeatable, sonny listed. like mr. t imagery. he couldn't beat anybody. it's going to be a point where trump can't win anymore. he's lost two in a row on yemen and on the declaration. that's bad week for him. he's got three defeats this year. >> yes. >> so you think you don't see coming a crack in this wall? >> the crack in the wall isn't
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with his base. the crack in the wall is with the republicans in the house and senate. they learned in 2018 that trump is not as much as a magical elixir as they thought he was going to be. that's what allowed them to make the principle decisions that you saw this year. i can win in ohio again and i don't have to have trump. that's what really happened. but legislatively, this is a process thing, not a principle thing. >> you root for a president, don't you have to have some victories? he's a losing on north korea, looks like a joke. he meets in hanoi. he made a fool of himself this time. you got to wonder, don't they say i want to see some white smoke, some hope? there's no sign of victory from this guy anymore. >> chris, what today teaches us, it's not that the republicans are breaking rank. i don't think that's going to be the case. but it forecasts a weakened hand
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of the president of the united states. take the house, for instance. any of the president's success has to happen with the blessing of nancy pelosi and house democrats. how likely is it that the president will be able to point to any success between now and next november working on capitol hill? i think the answer to that will be "no." the president could reach next november in a weakened state. that's the lesson from this week. >> as we say in sports, it adds up. at some point you become a loser. thank you, david jolly and jason johnson. up next, 2020 presidential candidate cory booker says a woman will be on the ticket next year. either way, no matter what. i like that kind of declaration. another candidate has texas senate republicans quaking in their boots. they're scared of bet toe down there. let's talk politics. back in a minute. there. let's talk politics. back in a minute there. let's talk politics. back in a minute. wn there. let's talk politics. back in a minute liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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is now in full swing with the democratic candidates campaigning across iowa and new hampshire today. at least five early primary states over this coming weekend starting tonight. newly announced candidate beto o'rourke has been in the race for a full 24 hours but said today he's not going to release how much money has been raised. let's watch. >> you went will you the financial hurdles. can you release your fundraising figures? >> i can't right now. >> you could. why not. >> you're right, i could. let me answer the question even better. i choose not to. >> so far candidates have waited until they've raised $1 million. kamala harris said she'd raise 1 the pant million dollars. both john hickenlooper said they released. governor of washington state announced after 17 hours that he raised $1 million. which candidate is trump most worried about facing?
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difference. that was president trump asserting he could beat any of the 2020 democratic candidates. politico reported today the president's fixated on biden. top aides former vice president is doomed. according to politico, aides told trump, he shouldn't be overly nervous as long as biden is pulled to the left in the primary according to that official. i'm joined now by abby livingston, and adrian elrod, a senior adviser for hillary clinton 2016 campaign. why do you think the president is afraid of biden, adrian? >> for two reasons. number one, polls show right now that vice president biden, in a head-to-head against donald trump, many of those polls show that he would win. so i'm sure donald trump is seeing those polls. secondly, he knows -- donald trump knows that joe biden is one of the only candidates who could really make a major play with white working class voters. joe biden has always done well and h
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in past elections. >> why would joe biden, just for those who don't follow politics, there may be a few watching, why would those people like biden? the people that the president's afraid will vote for him? why would they vote for him? >> i think, first of all, these folks have known him for a long time. he's been in public office for a long time. they know that. number two, he's from -- he's from a region that's a very white working class region. he's from delaware. he does very well in pennsylvania. and these folks know it. and look, a lot of these white working class voters voted for president obama in 2012. we unfortunately lost mid-2016, but they could potentially be up to grabs if someone like vice president is leading the ticket. >> i agree with that. abby, why do you think the president is afraid of biden. they said he's more afraidat do? is he lying? >> i agree completely with this analysis tha jt said. this cuts into -- it's not just a political calculation. biden is from scranton, i believe. and that is a key state in trump's coalition, but it also
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strikes a to the heart of his fan base. biden speaks their language in a way that hillary clinton wasn't quite able to. so i think that is as much ego as political. >> i think all the years in washington, all the roar ra of the senate foreign relations and all of that, biden is undenia e undeniably, clearly still one of the people he came from. he is not a celebrity, he's not a member of the elite, he doesn't go to all the parties, he doesn't hang out with celebrities from hollywood. he doesn't look like any of the clintons. and i think people say, no matter how fancy his talk is about foreign policy, he's still clearly joe from scranton. i think that's what wins. i think you're right. let's talk about beto. abby, you know about him. beto, the president took a shot at his sort of kinetic manner of campaigning. waving the arm and all of that. he seemed to be looking for the nickna nickname. he's going in for the kill already. there he is, very dramatic public performing. >> i was sort of struck with
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that. it felt like he was scrambling for something, it was reaching and it was the obvious thing in front of them. i wonder if he hasn't read enough clips on beto to find enough about him to mock. it felt a little thin compared to how vicious some of his insults are towards other candidates. >> it wasn't like calling him an indian name or something like that, it's like, he sees that. is that cursory, or is he figuring, i can get this guy on his kinetic animation? he's too animated for president? >> i think you hit the nail on the head. donald trump, anyone who he sees as a threat, he gives a nickname to. so we know with joe biden and beto as well, he'll have several nicknames. >> in an interview with cnn, jeb bush said someone should run against trump because republicans ought to be given a choice. he added, beating trump in 2020 will be difficult for anyone. to have a conversation of what it is to be a conservative i think is important. adrian, you first on this.
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statistics say that if you get challenged in your primaries, you're probably going to lose. is that what jeb's up to? weaken trump for the general? >> you know, i'm not sure what jeb's up to, but i will say this. i think republicans, even as a democrat, i'm saying this. i think republicans deserve to have a choice in this primary. i think -- >> is there any republican you might vote for? >> no. absolutely not. i have before, by the way, not in this race, obviously. >> i have, too, a long time ago. >> exactly. but look, i think republicans want to have a choice. i think a debate would probably weaken trump, since he tends to be so -- >> who do you think would stand up to him in a debate, in a room with ten feet apart? kasich? who could stand up and say, nice try, buddy? >> i think kasich would do okay. but i think someone like mitt romney would be very formidable. i don't think he's going to do it, but he would be very formidable. i think larry hogan would do well, too. >> if beto manages to win the nomination for the democratic
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party next summer in milwaukee, can he carry texas? >> i don't know. it would be a very expensive bet. but i can tell you, when i talk to republicans in the state, it's not just the presidential question, it's the vice presidential question. the house democratic campaign arm is targeting six congressional seats isn't the state of texas. the difference between the republicans feeling good about those seats and worrying about armageddon is whether or not o'rourke is on the national ticket. >> and if he's a running mate, it helps. thank you, abby. please keep coming back. up next, "hardball" is hitting the road. i'll be in iowa on monday to sit down with one of the 2020 presidential candidates. more on that after this break. 0 presidential candidates. more on that after this break.
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i am very confident that this election we will make history, because no matter what, i'm looking you in the eye and saying this, there will be a woman on the ticket. i don't know if it's in the vice president's position or the president's position, but if i have my way, there will be a woman on the ticket. all right? >> well, that was senator cory booker of new jersey today, stating his desire to see history made in 2020. i had a chance to ask questions on monday when i sit down with cory booker on the road in davenport. there's a lot to cover from impeachment to the president and everything else. all kinds of stuff about trump. and the questions about gender and race. does the democratic ticket in 2020 have to be diverse? have to be?
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and then there's president trump and his attack on democrats as the party of socialism. how does senator booker respond to that canard? you're not going to want to miss it. cory booker plays "hardball" monday night. and at 8:00 p.m., chris hayes hosts a special town hall event in michigan with senator kirsten gillibrand of new york. monday will be a big night here on msnbc. be sure to tune in early. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> clearly, what has happened here is an extraordinary and unprecedented act of violence. >> horror in new zealand. a white nationalist terrorist attacks two mosques, murdering 49 people during friday prayer. >> i just don't understand why someone would hurt us like this. and in such a way. >> reporter: tonight, reaction to the atrocity and the right-wing extremism behind it. >> do you see today white nation a


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