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represent the best of what america can be. >> cal, thank you for that. thank you for your great reporting this whole time along the border and on this story. it's an important one. cal perry gets tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight donald trump proudly issues his first veto after hi defeat of his signature campaign promise. he doubles down on immigration but did it just get harder on him to get what he wants. rick gates is still cooperating on several investigations. the mueller team has delayed his sentencing for a fifth time. the president's comments on white nationalism. and the horror we have seen in new zealand. "the 11th hour" on a friday night starts now.
as we bring another week to a close good evening. day 785 of the trump administration and let's toss this in with the mueller team offering scant clues about where they are headed, and we will get to that in a bit, today was in part about this president issuing his first veto. it was republicans, members of his own party, let's not forget who crossed over joining the dems to reject the president's self-titled national emergency. well, today he reinvigorated that talk and the need for wall along our southern border. >> it's a tremendous national emergency. it is a tremendous crisis. people hate the word invasion but that's what it is. congress has the freedom to pass this resolution and i have the duty to veto it. i'm very proud to veto it. >> he was then asked if he had sympathy for members of his party who support border security but felt they had to vote for the resolution because they opposed executive overreach.
>> they're doing what they have to do. look, i put no pressure on anybody. i actually said i could have gotten some of them to come along. i said i want you to vote your heart. do what you want to do. i'm not putting any pressure. i'll let them know when there's pressure. i told them that. i said when i need your vote, i'm going to let you know. i didn't need the vote because we all knew it was going to be a veto and they won't be able to override. >> we'll do a fact check on those last comments just ahead. trump is correct about an override. late today speaker pelosi announced the house would vote on march 26th to try to override the veto but it's not expected to pass. along with that veto trump set a more veiled political message, among the people standing around the president in the oval it was unusual to spot his new attorney general william barr. he made sure to broadcast the government's position on any future challenges to his boss' emergency declaration.
>> mr. president, your declaration of an emergency on the southern border was clearly authorized under the law. the security crisis we have is exactly the kind of emergency that presidents are permitted to address under the national emergencies act. what you've done from a legal standpoint is solidly grounded in law and from the standen point of protecting the american people, it's imperative. >> you don't see or hear that every day. so, this veto means many things including that the wall he promised that mexico would fund will be covered by american taxpayers. though, nothing here is inevitable. congress, of course, can stop it if they found the will. you may recall the battle over the budget started us down the road late last year and the president's threat about what would happen if he didn't get his wall funding. >> you know what i'll say, yes, if we don't get what we want, one way or the other, whether it's through you, the
military, through anything you want to call, i will shut down the government. >> okay. we disagree. we disagree. >> i am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck. >> that was the prelude to a 35-day partial shutdown. longest in our nation's history. trump issued the emergency declaration on 15 february after signing legislation that funded the government through september. legislation that provided $1.38 billion for about 55 miles of border barriers. trump's action also sends a clear message to his supporters as he ramps up his effort to hold on to the white house after today's veto signing his campaign announced a rally for march 28th in grand rapids, michigan. with that let's bring in our leadoff panel on a friday night. annie carnie, white house reporter for "the new york times," jonathan allen, nbc news political reporter and we
welcome to the broadcast the often quoted, seldom seen around here, andrew desiderio. point of information, just said he signed a veto. technically the veto is the sending back of a piece of legislation to congress. kind of the absence of a signature. having cleared that up, trump said he didn't really have to twist any republican arms. what's the truth? >> that is not exactly what happened over the past few days. he has been making a lot of phone calls to republican senators. he's been calling mitch mcconnell regularly. in his pleas asking them to vote with him, he's been making a personal pitch. i'll credit my colleagues or competitors at the washington post with reporting this out that they asked him to explain the constitutional reasons for this. he made it all about him. he said this could hurt you politically if you don't vote with me. vote with me. it was about him as is most things with trump.
the idea he wasted no political capital on trying to win over votes, in fact, they knew it was an uphill battle. republican senators have been signaling for a long time that they have major problems with this but the hope was to keep defections low, single digits like four. in fact they had 12. so, even the loss was bigger than they expected it and they -- wednesday was over there a lot. there was a lot of political capital spent from the white house in trying to limit this rebuke from his own party. this idea that he said i'll let them know when i need their vote, that's just not the reality of how this played out. >> john, as we saw they put together a document for him to sign and put around the room. not entirely necessary. you spoke today with a prominent republican coms person who called this a gift to donald trump. who was that and why would he say such a thing?
>> mat schlapp, the chairman of the american conservative union. very close to donald trump. member of the george w. bush political team. he says it's a gift because donald trumps want to run against washington again. in order to do that, in other words, to run against washington, not only does he want to run against democrats, he wants to run against republicans a bit. if you look at his 2016 campaign, he said he was going to clean up washington. he basically gutted the republican party to do it and ran against hillary clinton. this is an opportunity to distance himself from the republican party. i think what you see on substance here is republicans bucking him in the senate on all the little agenda items from now until the end of the congress. you're seeing an assertion of power by republicans in congress. they're going to battle him on the budget, but he doesn't care about all those they will lings. what he cares about is the wall, the messaging and politics and what it says about him.
for the 2020 re-elect this may be a chance to say i'm trying to clean up washington and look at these republicans, they're standing in my way. >> andrew, to that last point, what will this usher in? are we going to see people kind of remaining in the ben sass mode of sound and fury and furrowed brow, but go ahead and vote with the president at the end of the day, kind of the flake model or will we see people finding courage in the corners of congress? >> well, i think this week alone you had this vote on the national emergency disapproval. you had a vote in the senate cutting off u.s. support for the saudi led coalition. in house you had the 420-0 vote on basically endorsing this idea of making the mueller report public. we saw this morning the president tweeted he doesn't think there should be a mueller report. so just this week alone we had three very prominent examples of republicans starting to sort of warm up to bucking trump more often. you mentioned senator flake. i know senator tillis and
and senator ernest from iowa and senator gardner do not want to end up like him. i think that's why they voted with the president on this national emergency issue because, for example, with senator tillis, congressman mark walker and mark meadows were flirting with the idea of primary challenges to senator tillis. i think if you have a primary challenge from the right, from these guys supportive of president trump, i think there's a nonzero chance the president would support them over thom tillis. i think that's one of the reasons why senator tillis flipped to the other side. >> john, one of the questions we try to ask around here every week, and we have taken this to the end of the week, is there a semblance of agenda? is the white house up on the hill as white houses normally do pushing legislation for a view of our country? >> it's the right question. brian, there is no agenda. there's absolutely no
discernible agenda from this white house that involves congress, a typical process. what you have from a domestic policy standpoint is a budget that just came out that calls for tremendous cuts in domestic programs that no one in congress is going to go along, not only the democrats, the republicans aren't going to go along with. there's no formal plan to try to get any of those things done. you have the wall. the president is focused solely on the wall. in terms of foreign policy you have potentially military intervention in venezuela. you have the north korea situation and you want to talk about bad 24-hour periods for a president of the united states. kim jong-un just a couple of weeks after meeting with the president is now talking about restarting his launches, restarting that phase of his nuclear program. you have the senate rebuking the president. there is not any sort of coherent policy agenda coming out of white house right now. just the wall.
>> annie, it's been a good week for your bye line. one of the things we learned from you is the increasing pressure on the president's family coming out of house investigations. tell us about that and how it's likely being felt in the west wing because that's where you'll find the president's family most days. >> that's right. the piece you're talking about right now, i looked at those 81 document requests from house democrats sent to people in the white house and extended trump world. it was noted that ivanka trump is notably absent from this list that includes her brothers and anyone close to trump, includes her husband, jared kushner, and there was a sense the democrats are tiptoeing around her because it would really be an aggressive poke the bear move to go for the daughter. a closer read of those 81 document requests shows
52 out of the 81 people were asked for documents about ivanka and about her financial interests and about foreign donations to her or her businesses. while she wasn't asked for documents specifically, there were a lot of documents about her requested. this idea they are scared to to touch ivanka, if you look closely, they are looking for a lot of information about her and looking at emoluments issues around the family members. >> yeah, that will be interesting if that comes to fruition. andrew, this is your beat as well. i often think about this, will you know this moment when you see it? will there be a tipping point between now where people vote with this president despite all the noise, they vote with this president. and a day where that might be something they have to account for before their voters back home? >> i think the one issue where that might come up is this issue of impeachment. you heard nancy pelosi make a lot of news this week when she went further than she ever has
in terms of setting the bar high for impeachment. she basically said it needs republican buy-in. that means the evidence laid out either in the mueller report or these various house investigations will have to be so overwhelming that it's no longer politically expedient for republicans to stay with the president. i think that's much further down the line. and nancy pelosi would like it to be. >> you seen more carefully chosen words than nancy pelosi who preannounced it with this is news to the reporters. >> there's a parallel here which is annie's reporting about how they are looking at ivanka and ivanka documents but there's nothing sent to ivanka. nancy pelosi is saying i'm not interested in impeachment. i'm not into impeachment and this is just and wants that to be the message. meanwhile, her committee chairman at the judiciary committee, intelligence committee, ways and means are conducting the business of an impeachment investigation.
they are all looking for the information that would form the background of an impeachment so that's going forward now. she is in control of those committee chairmen. if she did not want that happening, it would not be happening. it's a bit of smoke and mirrors to say she's not interested in impeachment. they are going to provide all of the information that would support articles of impeachment at some point should they come forward. even if they don't, i think the idea here is that would be a very long process. all of that information will come forward at some point as she, i think referred to, you might have a situation where it would be republicans that would want to remove the president more than democrats. >> annie, i see you were nodding. you agree with john's contention that's what they're conducting here absent calling it that? >> the white house officials i've talked to view the 81 document requests as the road map to an impeachment. that's what they have made of that. also, the question of nancy
pelosi's statement raised a lot of questions among democrats saying if not trump, who? it's not worth it was a controversial statement in her own party. saying they understand politically the argument if you can't convict in the senate, this is politically damaging for the democrats to go down the impeachment road. isn't there damage to not doing something that we believe in that we believe there's enough evidence here and potentially more with the mueller report to impeach this guy and it's not politically expedient to do so, how is that a good answer either? it's a complicated issue for democrats. >> after all we're never more than 15 minutes away from a tom steyer commercial. to annie and jonathan and andrew, our thanks for
conversation that will make us all better educated as a result. coming up, the mueller team says it is still working with one of trump's former campaign aides on several investigations. that stuck out to us. what does it tell us, if anything, about how long they'll be at this? later, the prime minister of new zealand calls out far right extremism after dozens of muslims are massacred in that horrifying terrorist attack. "the 11th hour" just getting started on this friday night. ths know how easy it is to save money on their car insurance with geico- oi oi oi set the pick! kick it outside!! shoot the three! shoot the three!! yessssssss!!!!!! are you...ok? no, no i'm not. i think i pulled a hammy. could we get some ice? just one cube of ice? geico®. proud partner of ncaa march madness®.
writing, quote, the special counsel should never have been appointed. he continues, there should be no mueller report. that's especially bracing considering this is the day after the entire house voted to make the mueller report public. and on the mueller investigation front today, we learned that rick gates, the former deputy to manafort on the campaign, is still talking to prosecutors. his lawyers and the special counsel have filed a status report that says, quote, defendant gates continues to cooperate with respect to several ongoing investigations, and accordingly the parties do not believe it's appropriate to commence the sentencing process at this time. this is notable. they say they will have their next update may 14. that's 60 days from now. tonight there's also new reporting from "the new york times" about that russian oligarch with close ties that was a business associate of
gates and manafort. the times is reporting he's suing demanding that sanctions be lifted that he claims have cost him $7.5 billion. he calls himself a victim of u.s. reaction to russian interference in the 2016 election which may be the definition of chutzpa. with us to talk about it is chuck rosenberg, senior fbi official and jessica roth, former federal prosecutor with the southern district of new york. now a professor. at the cardozo school of law. welcome to you both. chuck, i'd like to begin with you. for people following this ever so closely who are unsettled by the talk that mueller's wrapping up, mueller will be done by next tuesday or whenever it is, tell us structurally how that could be true and how the
investigation would continue just the same. >> sure, brian. it's a very good question. i think important for folks to understand that bob mueller's remit, what he was asked to do was relatively narrow. meaning he was asked to look at russian interference in the 2016 election and whether any americans worked with the russians to that end. he was not asked to do all the other things that the southern district of new york can do. financial investigations into the trump organization, the trump foundation, the inaugural committee and the like and so while bob mueller will hue closely to what he was ordered to do, what he was asked to do, that doesn't mean all the investigations end when he files his report. in jessica's old district in the southern district of new york they will continue their important work and i imagine they will continue it for months if not years to come. >> jessica, do you -- first of all, do you concur with
what chuck said and were your ears perking up when you read that gates is still useful in several different investigations? >> absolutely. first of all, i agree with what chuck said. essentially the structure is in place for the investigations that may have started under mueller to be taken over by the different u.s. attorneys offices around, maybe not all around the country but the ones involved in the investigations like the southern district of new york. these cases can be handed off to them and those districts can run with them as long as they need to. i was looking to see what would be said in the filing. i thought it was interesting they asked for the extension and that they specifically said he was cooperating in several ongoing investigations. the keywords for me there were several and investigations. in other words, he's not just needed to testify in one trial like mike flynn is. the special counsel said he's ready to be sentenced even though he will have to testify sometime this summer, but, gates, they're not ready to have the sentencing scheduled because
he's working on investigations. that to me says there's more in the works. gates, in particular, is unique in the special counsel investigation. he's the bridge between different parts of the investigation that go to the core of the mandate or the remit that chuck was talking about. he's key between the manafort and kilimnik. he's would have been in a position to provide information about communications between the campaign and roger stone and in particular the direction from a senior trump campaign official to stone to get in touch with wikileaks. many people think that gates himself was that senior campaign official who was identified in the stone indictment or if he's not, then he knows who he is and also will know who the more senior person was to tell stone to get in touch with wikileaks. we have the kilimnik connection and we have the roger stone wikileaks connection.
>> i'm duty bound to point out how i did not come across you in criminal or federal court. so having said that, chuck, do you concur with the world as just laid out by jessica? >> i do. maybe structurally it would help to explain what prosecutors and gates and his attorneys have in common. what they have in common is they both want everything that gates has truthfully and fully prior to sentencing. what gates is looking for is a downward departure motion from the government. the government asking the judge at sentencing essentially to depart downward from the federal sentencing guidelines that would otherwise govern his sentence. in order to do that the right way, you get everything up front prior to sentencing. that way the government can go to the court, to the judge and say, here's everything he did for us. this is why we keep putting off sentencing, your honor. this is why we have done it five times and may do it again. we want to be able to tell you everything he's given to us and that it's helped us in the
progression of other individuals and it's helped news other investigations. it's been full, complete and truthful. both parties have an interest in doing that and doing that the right way. frankly, the judge does too. the judge keeps granting the requests to postpone sentencing. everybody wants to give gates the ability, there's no guarantee, but to give him the ability to cooperate as fully as he can before sentencing. >> five postponements now. that's interesting. jessica, finally without burning sources or methods, is there a chance that there are investigations under way that we don't know about? do you think we're aware of all the entities and jurisdictions that are conducting investigations or is there a possible realm that's never filed a word that we're sitting here chatting on television while they are doing their work? >> i think that is entirely possible. there are lines of investigation
that we don't know about. >> what kind of realm would be participating in that? >> well, i think -- well, part of the reason i say that it's possible these lines exist is because of the redacted material in the filings with respect to manafort and these cryptic allusions to other investigations that manafort lied about. it could be they pertain to two things, russian. it would be there are other countries, other foreign countries. there's been reporting about contacts had between jared kushner and people from other countries. not just russia that the special counsel could be going into. because his remit could have been expanded as well and we don't know that because that wasn't made public. i think it's possible we're going to find out sometime in next few weeks or months there was a whole additional realm of investigation that mueller and his team were involved in or that a division of the
department of justice was involved in that just hasn't been reported yet. i think anything is possible along those lines. >> wow. we just gave folks a lot to think about over the weekend with the help of two of our chuck rosenberg, jessica roth, thank you both so much for joining us on this friday night. coming up, the accused gunman fueled by racism and hate. livestreamed the massacre of dozens of muslims at two mosques in new zealand. the latest on what we know about this awful day there. -we're doing karaoke later, and you're gonna sing. -jamie, this is your house? -i know, it's not much, but it's home. right, kids? -kids? -papa, papa! -[ laughs ] -you didn't tell me your friends were coming. -oh, yeah. -this one is tiny like a child. -yeah, she is. oh, but seriously, it's good to be surrounded by what matters most -- a home and auto bundle from progressive. -oh, sweetie, please, play for us. -oh, no, i couldn't. -please. -okay. [ singing in spanish ]
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i want to be clear that our intelligence community and police are focused on extremism of every kind. given global indicators around far right extremism, our intelligence community have been stepping up their investigations in this area. >> new zealand is a lot of things. it's a steadfast u.s. ally. it's a beautiful and peaceful place with a population smaller than new york city. yet new zealand has been shattered by terrorism. the death toll tonight stands at 49 after a disturbed gunman fueled by white nationalism went on a rampage after two different mosques in the city of christchurch. the gunman was well prepared, heavily armed. he posted a manifesto on the
muslim population which he live streamed on social media. here is how the american president responded today from the oval office. >> do you think white nationalism is a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's the case. i don't know enough about it yet. >> with us tonight to talk about all of it, malcolm nance. he's a veteran of navy intelligence, u.s. special operations, homeland security, 35 years of working in the counterterrorism and intelligence fields. malcolm, number one, what struck you about this attack and number two, if you were a u.s. government staffer writing remarks for the president to deliver today in lieu of what we just heard him say, what would you have him say? >> it's very disturbing this attack. i actually taught in new zealand
counterterrorism at the university in wellington, so it's a very small country. christchurch is a very small town. it's not even a city. so, it must have been devastating for the people of new zealand to have an individual come from australia where they could access guns in new zealand legally and mass murder 49 of their fellow citizens, many of whom are refugees. again this, is devastating for them but more devastating is the fact that it's exposed once again that there is a white nationalism international. there's a large group of people around the world. they are not small. and they have been carrying out attacks against immigrants with this belief that they are in a clash of civilizations between the white western world and what they call invaders,
which is any other person who is not white coming into their communities. if i were the president, i would have shown not just my disgust but more importantly shown that the united states stands with new zealand and would offer any resources but by actually coddling the white supremacist, he's sent yet another message that they have an ally with most powerful man in the world. >> he used the word invasion today when talking about the southern border and as you mentioned that's a buzz word to that community. i want to read you something by a frequent guest on this broadcast, sam stein. quote, imagine a world in which a muslim terrorist group had executed and attacked and killed 50 people and the response was from the president to say in essence this isn't a big deal. it's just a small group of people. malcolm, that's along lines of what you were just saying. >> absolutely. when we had the massacre in florida at the dance club in
which a person who was supposedly claimed he was a member of isis, president trump still references these attacks. the problem is in law enforcement and i train a lot of law enforcement here in the united states, almost everyone in the homeland security here in the state of new york, including the s.w.a.t. teams, they don't understand that they are not going to have a clash with isis or the possibility of that on a day-to-day basis. these right wing extremists, militia men, posse comitatus believers, they go to guns. they want confrontation. timothy mcveigh when he blue up the murrah building in oklahoma city and killed the largest number of americans killed in american history, 186 people, he did it with the same intention. he wanted to stoke a race war between white america and all the rest.
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this was a week of pushback for our president. on wednesday the republican-led senate voted to end aid to a saudi-led war in yemen. this was seen as a rebuke of donald trump who continues to defend saudi arabia after the killing of jamal khashoggi. then on thursday, a congress that agrees on absolutely nothing unanimously passed a resolution, 420-0, demanding the justice department fully release mueller's final report. hours after that, it was the republicans who crossed over
against their president who tried to block the national emergency border wall and forced the first veto from this president. >> look, they were doing what they have to do, and, look, i put no pressure on anybody. i actually said, i could have gotten some of them to come along. i said i want you to vote your heart. do what you want to do. i'm not putting any pressure. i'll let them know when there's pressure. okay? >> noting the shift from abject party loyalty, the new york times writes, and we quote, politically the trifecta of rejections telling us the president's grip may will loosening. the political ground may be ever so slightly shifting and with it the control mr. trump has over his party. watch this space. back with us tonight pulitzer prize winning author and historian jon meacham, the latest work "the soul of america." you said tonight to one of our producers if you were going crazy and banging your led
head against the wall for the past three years, this was a week to calm you. what on earth could you mean by something like that? >> well, you just laid out three headlines that a lot of us who have a feeling that james madison is ultimately more and kind of proto totalitarianism that this will work out. you had in the yemen vote. you can't get the house of representatives to agree on when to go to lunch. so to get 420 of them agreeing on anything is truly historic in this era and the border wall to have 12 republicans cross the aisle is an interesting data point in this idea that, in fact, when the chips are truly down, there are people of conscious who are going to go on record who will not worry so much about the much vaunted base and will do the right thing. i think you saw that in three cases this week.
>> yet, john, think of this. today, the president of the united states said there should be no mueller report and the president of the united states refused to take a swing at white nationalism. in both cases, we have baked it into the system where people just said, it's the president. >> right. we don't want to ever be in a position again, though i suspect someday we will be where you have to reflexively try to take him out of the occasion. but that's the way history works. that's the way reality works. enough people in enough of the right states in 2016 decided that they were willing to roll the dice on this guy in part because there's been ten presidential elections between 1980 and 2016 and a bush or a clinton had been on 80% of those tickets. they were willing to say we're going to shake this up and see what happens. the comments about white
nationalism are as ever disappointing. he has proven himself to be below the level of events both at home and abroad. time people who have a stake in how that base of support views not just the president but views them. saying that we are going to reassert the balance of powers. and so i just think we have to take good news where we can get it. not to say that now you just take a bunch of zoloft and everything's going to be fine. i'm not saying that at all, but the way history has worked on these things is it took four years to get joe mccarthy. it took 27 months for richard nixon to fall. it took 100 years for the work of the civil war to actually find its way and find expression in the civil rights legislation. it took well over 100 years for women to get the right to vote. women have not yet voted for 100
years in this country. that will be next year. so these things tend to, as george w. bush has been saying, democracies tend to self-correct. and i think this was at least a step in that direction. >> in 30 seconds or less, do you think we are in for a spring and summer of acceleration on that front? >> i think it entirely depends on what's in that report that the house voted unanimously to release. if director mueller comes back with clear and convincing evidence of -- that more things involving russia and president trump, that more is provable, then i think the whole conversation changes. because having 12 senators break on the -- on the border thing is a pretty good indication that -- and this is kind of what a lot of us have thought. that there were senators there who would, in fact, step up when the train was truly going off the cliff. there are a lot of people who
think the train went off the cliff a long time ago. i understand that. but it seems to me that if mueller comes back with clear and convincing evidence, the story changes pretty rapidly. >> wow. jon meacham, always a pleasure. thank you very much. and ever quotable. we'll just let that endnote sit there and folks can contemplate that over the weekend. thank you, jon, for coming on our broadcast. coming up -- >> thanks, brian. >> -- a speech jon meacham knows well delivered on this very day at another time when hatred had taken hold. or so it seemed.
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rights act, lbj borrowed the title of the signature spiritual of the civil rights movement, and it has been known since that day as the "we shall overcome" speech. >> to deny a man his hopes because of his color or race or his religion or the place of his birth is not only to do injustice, it is to deny america and to dishonor the dead who gave their lives for american freedom. this is the richest and the most powerful country which ever occupied this globe. the might of past empires is little compared to ours. but i do not want to be the
president who built empires or sought grandeur or extended dominion. i want to be the president who educated young children to the wonders of their world. i want to be the president who helped to feed the hungry and to prepare them to be taxpayers instead of tax eaters. i want to be the president who helped to end hatred among his fellow man and who promoted love
among the people of all races and all regions and all parties. i want to be the president who helped to end war among the brothers of this earth. >> lyndon johnson on this day, 1965, giving the speech he dedicated to the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy. he likely would not have believed that the fight for the right to vote would continue into 2019. that is our broadcast for this friday night and for this week. thank you so much for being here with us. have a good weekend and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. here in new york.
the white house responding to what is now a bipartisan rebuke on immigration. president trump saying he'll issue the first veto ever. all of this to break his own campaign promise that mexico would fund the wall. him signing that veto today. later we have this beat exclusive. a former fox news reporter talking to congress despite her nda with fox news. we're going to get into that and how that story led to michael cohen's crime during the 2016 election. but we begin tonight with official, detailed actual news about the mueller probe on a friday night. the probe is not over, despite many rumors that it would have been over weeks ago. actually instead, there are now two federal prosecutors in two different cases