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kendis gibson. >> good afternoon. enjoy the rest of your st. patrick's day, morgan. good day. i'm here in new york. joe biden drops a hint -- >> aggressive record of anybody running for the -- if anybody who would run --. [ cheers and applause ]. >> i didn't mean -- anybody who would run. >> or did he? the former vice president slipped up speaking to a crowd in delaware last night, but quickly walked it back. in the meantime, kirstin jill brand makes it official. >> we need a leader who makes big, bold, brave choices. someone who isn't afraid of progress. that's why i'm running for president. and it's why i'm asking you for your support. and also it's been seven months since john mccain passed away. so why is president trump still attacking him? wait until you hear what meghan mccain had to say about it.
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facebook defends itself after live video of the new zealand terror attack was streamed on its site. we're going to kick off at this hour on the road to the white house and apparently the more the merrier. this morning, new york senator kirsten gillibrand made it official with the campaign video now the 15th candidate to join the diverse field many of whom are on the campaign trail as is vaughn hillyard. he has finally left iowa and joins us from madison, wisconsin where an event for beto o'rourke is just wrapping up. >> he is now arriving into milwaukee, wisconsin. this is his second wisconsin stop of the day. to note, this is the second state that beto o'rourke is visiting as a presidential candidate. remember in 2016 by just 22,000 votes donald trump beat hillary clinton who infamously did not come here during the general election. i want to play with you a little bit of sound, kendis. i asked beto o'rourke, how do
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democrats essentially make that pitch to voters that once voted democrat that decided to vote for donald trump. how do you go back and win places like iowa, michigan and wisconsin? this is what beto o'rourke told us. >> the only way to win is to show up. and i have found that in every political race i've run from city council to congress to u.s. senate, when we don't show up, we get what we deserve, and that is to lose. so i'm going to show up everywhere for everyone. >> reporter: beto o'rourke is going to be going to michigan and ohio on monday after visiting here wisconsin and three days of iowa. he does not have frankly a day job. this is going to give him the opportunity over the next ten and a half months before the iowa caucus to hit states all along the way. of course, to note, he is starting here in the midwest, making his pitch that democrats shouldn't surrender the state's
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that donald trump pulled off back in 2016. kendis? >> he is visiting there, hillary clinton did not. for more on where the race stands right now, let's welcome in christina greer associate professor of political science at fordham university and co-host of faq-nyc podcast and noah rothman, associate editor with commentary magazine and msnbc contributor and katie rogers, new york times, white house correspondent, welcome to all of you. beto o'rourke, came under fire for saying that he was born to run. as a fellow candidate, amy klobuchar was responding to it this morning. here is what she had to say. >> i have a lot of respect for beto and great to have some texas in this race, but, no, i wasn't born to run for office. just because growing up in the '70s in the middle of the country, i don't think many people thought a girl could be president. >> so christina, is this a case of identity politics? what's at play here?
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>> we always had identity politics in the american sphere, just been straight, white, men. this 2020 democratic primary is showing us the democrats have a plethora of riches when it comes to quality, talented candidates. so this is what's going to give democratic primary voters real opportunity to hear about policy and not just sort of campaigning style. and that's something that i think beto has to get over, not just because he's the fan favorite right now, but what is he going to do to talk about moving the country forward and not just sort of being an anti-trump candidate. >> a lot of people mentioned how elizabeth warren put out a lot of policies in her first 20 minutes on the campaign trail compared to what beto has done far. kirsten gillibrand had a campaign video and made it official, official there. here is what kirsten gillibrand had to say and she has an emphasis on trump. >> brave doesn't pit people against each other. brave doesn't put money over
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lives. brave doesn't spread hate. cloud truth. build a wall. that's what fear does. >> so she actually doesn't mention president trump by name, himself, but clear lu you see there, katie, who the target is and also she's going to have her kickoff rally across from trump hotel and international hotel next sunday. this strategy work? >> busy schedule. >> of course. will it work? >> i mean -- >> what do you make of the strategy? >> i mean, i would say no. i mean, isn't every candidate basically running on a referendum on whether or not we want this type of politics? i mean, i think bernie sanders is running. he's invoking trump by name in the same sort of attacks. i mean, dancing around it and picking a new theme for what a lot of other candidates are doing snot really -- it goes back to what you said about you're going to have a lot of time to discuss actual policy and not the other candidate.
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so that's sort of -- i would think what people would be looking for her to say more of. >> she's the first one to really, really try to take on trump. you know -- >> compared to sanders? >> including having the rally right there across from the trump hotel. >> yeah. that could be a double-edged sword. so many democratic voters really want to know what the democratic nominee will do for them as a party. will they support the green new deal? will they move forward with, you know, obviously relationships with foreign powers? what does it look like for the economy? you can't just have a candidate who doesn't like trump. i think we can pretty much be on the same page. most democrats are very unhappy with the direction of this country and this administration and this particular president so she has time to sofrt craft that message burks you see people like kamala harris saying explicitly i'm not just about anti-trump, this is the direction i want to take the country this. we have seen people going in that direction, we just want to make sure that the robust conversation really has to do about policy and certain
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candidates just aren't hitting the mark. >> it will be a long 19 months if it will be just about the president. >> noah has been sitting here sort of like beto o'rourke's wife during that piece of video. >> it's about time. >> i mean what do you make of the rollout there? >> i think there's a lot of hood spa in the senator calling herself brave. she has an earned reputation for taking two positions on whatever issue has to be more politically selling for her. she's a progressive when she needs to be. centrist middle of the roader when it was valuable for her to do that. while i believe i think you're probably right that progressive, idealists and the people who populate campaigns and donate to campaigns are very interested in policy, i'm not sure if that's how average voters think. when you talk to people in the focus group, they talk about what they hear from democratic voters is they want to win. they don't necessarily care how they get there. i mean, it would be very valuable to have a progressive ied log who can win but the
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winning part is the most important part. they evaluate what they see in front of them. >> and perhaps they feel as if the centrist politicians are the ones that will win? >> well, brief, note on beto here because he's -- so he's running really as this amor fis character who can be whatever you want him to do be when you want him to be it and has the face and star power that works. but the big question is always going to be whether or not he can generate the kind of campaign fund raising that he generated as a senate candidate facing ted cruz. was it about beto or about ted cruz and the fact that he has not released his numbers -- >> yes, why hasn't he released those numbers yet? >> it leads us to reach obvious conclusions. >> a lot of texas voters weren't voting for beto, they were voting against ted cruz. to your point -- >> money from outside of texas. >> exactly. democrats can walk and chew come at the same time. they want someone who can win.
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and that's the campaign phase. the government phase is they also want someone who represents big deal democratic ideal. they need to be more explicit as to what we stand for because we have multiple factions in the party. so we have to sort of see not every democrat wants the green deal. not every democrat is against the wall. >> to pivot to joe biden, he's been progressive democrat for so many years. what do you make of his little slip-up there and how long can he keep this waiting game going? >> i mean, i think that sooner rather than later might be good for him. i think that -- i know that inside the white house he is considered the most -- should he run, he is considered the most formidable opponent. >> is that right? >> he's considered the person who could mount the best case against him. so, i think sort of dancing around this idea of should i run, will i run, you know, the
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democrats are waiting with baited breath to see what he's going to do. >> talk about another b word who i think is getting traction, buttigieg. he tweeted last night that he's met the key threshold of some 65,000 donor goal in order to be there on the debate stage. he had a great appearance on cnn, the guardian says his autobiography is the best since obama's presidential autobiography. could he actually make some sort of traction? >> i think he'll make some traction for sure. you know, there are certain people on his team that are obama alums that are incredibly talented. you know, we heard in iowa he's not going with talking points. he's not going as a stiff senate democrat. and he's -- >> he's on his feet. >> he is resonating with people. >> he's 37. >> but when you think about someone who served his country,
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he right now is one of the few democratic candidates -- >> the only one i think that made that point. >> who has served his nation. which san interesting generational divide. but he's doing very well especially for a mayor from south bend, right? might i say possibly better than the mayor of new york city as far as getting attention. >> i interviewed him a couple days ago. he's from the next town over in indiana. i talked to pete a couple days ago and we asked him the same question, my colleague annie carney and i asked him, were you born to do this? it was right after the vanity fair cover. said i was born to figure out how to make myself useful. pretty diplomatic answer. >> that sounds so wholesome and -- >> he's from indiana. >> people actually like that? >> yes, it's called public service for a reason and not me service. >> he's very intellectual guy. and there's an element of scholarship into this race would be welcome. >> two-term mayor of south bend,
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indiana, turned the town around and he's a vet. kind of attractive candidate. >> indiana had some serious struggles under then governor mike viqueira pence who did some really damaging things to the state and has been able to turn some things around. >> i have to leave that conversation around. katie and christina stick around. noah, thank you. >> pleasure. >> happy st. paddy's day. the president goes on the warpath, attacking the late senator john mccain, not once but twice over the weekend. reactions from the mccain family next. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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five-term senator, dead seven months now, jet for some reason president trump seems obsessed with him. take a look, in a series of tweets president trump accused mccain with thes do say on trump's alleged ties to russia, but now he's falsely claiming that mccain was working with democrats and the media to have the dossier printed before the election. during his tweet storm, the president slammed the special counsel a total of six times this weekend. for more, let's head out to nbc mike viqueira va care row at the white house. what was going on? what's in the water there at the white house? >> reporter: well, i mean, it's not all that unusual for the president to unleash a tweet storm and just sort of send these messages out into the howling void, kendis. the president did do something unusual late this morning, he headed across the street with first lady melania trump to services at st. john's episcopal
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church at 11:00, before but is that and after that the president has been on the twitter machine sending out attacks after attack after attack and some praise. he's evidently been watching tv today. fox news in particular because he was retweeting some of the comments that were made praising his decision to veto that bill that would have stopped him from declaring a national emergency, commenting on fox news personalities, janine piro suspended for comments and the fact that she observes her faith by wearing a head scarf and as you point out, attacking john mccain the late senator, gone now leaving us seven months ago, succumbing to brain cancer. criticizing john mccain on false grounds that the so-called christopher steele dossier was disseminated to the media before the election by john mccain
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that's false. john mccain said he sent it to the fbi and john mccain did not see that dossier until after the election. president trump insulting john mccain saying he was last in his class in annapolis. that's not true, he was fifth from the bottom, that was the chapters in his memoir and a host of other attacks some familiar on john mccain about the thumbs down vote that mccain cast against the effort to repeal obama care in the sent that stuck in the president's krau ever since. the president active on twitter and yet here we are. >> meghan mccain delivered a strong rebuke of trump's tweets. any other republicans rushing to mccain's defense? >> reporter: we should read that tweet from meghan mccain, no one will ever love you the way they loved my father. i wish i had been given more
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saturdays with him, maybe spend your's with your family instead of twitter obsessing over mine. so a sharp rebuke, we might say, from meghan mccain, whos of delivered that moving eulogy to her father at the national cathedral just after the senator was afforded the privilege of lying in state at the u.s. capitol. other republicans had been on twitter today criticizing the president. notably know elected representatives, no members of congress yet that i have seen from the republican party have come to his defense. kend kendis? >> mike viqueira at the white house. our thanks to you. joining me now is ned price, msnbc national security analyst and former national security council spokesman for president obama and daniel alonso, managing director and general counsel and katie fang, msnbc legal contributor. welcome to all of you. you tweeted that it seemed as if the white house was on fire this morning. what do you make of all the
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tweets about john mccain? >> well, i think it's a fairly safe assumption that donald trump didn't go to church to repent for the sin tweeting out about a man who has passed away who was a patriot who served his country and died strtragically cancer. there is nothing holy left for donald trump. i don't think that it's appropriate to attack senator mccain, let alone to lie. from what we know, there was a lawsuit that was brought against buzz feed vis-a-vis this steele dossier, but mccain didn't have that information before. he didn't give it to the media. he did give it to the fbi then director comey. so those are facts and that is the truth. and anything that he's saying now, he being trump, is fake news. >> in fact, mccain did talk about it in one of his books, ned, the senator explained why he gave the dossier to the fbi in his book. he says in it mccain says that he trusts that mueller would get to the bottom of the so-called dossier while adding that it was
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his obligation to give it to the agency and he would do it again. so why is the president trying to pin the russia investigation and the dossier on mccain? >> well, kendis to back up a second, if only others followed john mccain's model. you take a look at all the instances and the unfolding trump/russia saga and you see numerous points at which the then trump campaign could have gone to the fbi and george papadopoulos could have said this strange person approached me in london and offered dirt on hillary clinton, don jr. said this strange russian offered us dirt on hillary clinton and other episodes but they didn't. and the irony of all this is that there were really two people who during the campaign approached the fbi with word of this and they were both foreigners. one was christopher steele the author of this so-called dossier and the other was the ambassador
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of london who learned from george papadopoulos. from president trump, we see recognition of the fact that the actions of his team may have verged on what some could traderist. they should have gone to the fbi and brave thing. john mccain called them out for not doing smoch what we're seeing from president trump today is perhaps a little bit of shame expressed in his own trumpian way. >> the president still coming after john mccain seven months after his death. let's switch gears and talk about the pending mueller report. yesterday the president claimed he told republicans to release the report but today he's been retweeting his previous tweet claiming special counsel should never have been appointed and there should be no mueller report all in the span of three days. talk about mixed signals there. >> it will be a fool for me to psycho analyze the president.
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focussing on the report and what the attorney general's obligation is it's a big deal that the house voted unanimously to suggest that that be released publicly. the attorney general can't do that 100%. there are things like classified information and grand jury information that he has to redact, but i think it's a big push to the attorney general to not keep sni of the findings that mueller made from congress. >> all right. and ned, you think that trump should release the entire mueller report? >> well, it's really going to be a question that the department of justice will have to face. there's been a lot of ink spilled and lot of chatter over the question of when, when this report will be delivered to congress. but i think the real question is how. how it will be delivered to congress and ultimately more important question how the public will see it and what form. i certainly think the public deserves to see this given the tremendous implications here, allegations that our president and his campaign team were possibly colluding with an adversary. >> 420 members of congress who voted this past week agreeing with that.
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our things to ned, katie and daniel. thank you all. still ahead, the death toll rises in new zealand a total of 50 people are now dead in the mosque attacks. a live report from the ground as that community of christchurch attempts to heal flnchts. plus, facebook fires back after being scrutinized for streaming the shooting live. scr streaming the shooting live. - [woman] with my shark, i deep clean messes like this. this and even this. but i don't have to clean this, because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, while i clean. - [announcer] shark, the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself.
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i didn't see the gunman. i had no idea. so when i -- someone is killing us, i just lay down on the floor. >> his car door was open. he managed to get the other gun and start shooting at me. >> my dad took a bullet for me. when i woke up, he was lying on my hip. >> many survivors there starting to come forward with their first-hand accounts of that massacre at two new zealand mosques. at least 50 people are dead and additional victim was found while police officials cleared the shooting sites. new zealand authorities are bringing in help from overseas to speed up the long process of identifying the victims. the country's prime minister hopes to have all the bodies released to anxious family members by wednesday. now, timing is a major factor
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here because islamic law calls for bodies to be clensed and buried as soon as possible after death usually within 24 hours. nbc sara james joins us from christchurch new zealand. it's been 48 hours since the attack. where does the investigation stand right now? >> reporter: well, kendis, the investigation centers squarely on a 28-year-old australian white supremacist by the name of brenton tarrant. he has been charged with murder in connection with the attacks that were carried out on two mosques here and police believe and charged him as the gunman in these attacks. there were a couple other people who had been arrested and taken into custody, but the investigation, the police commissioner said yesterday, indicates that they are not connected to this massacre. the investigation send centers in new zealand. it has taken the police to the home of the suspected gunman. it will also necessarily also
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involve australia because he is an australian citizen. some relatives, his grandmother and uncle spoke to reporters there. here is what they had to say. >> we're all gob smacked. we don't know what to think. it's -- you know the media is saying he's planned it for a long time. he's obviously not of sound mind, i don't think. >> we say sorry for the families over there, for the dead and injured. yeah, it was just -- can't think nothing else. just want to go home and hide. >> reporter: police say that their focus now is on the security of the residence and the international visitors who come here to christchurch. they have added additional personnel, another 100 police officers will be here protrolling the streets making sure that people are safe. it's a monday morning here. people are ready to go back to
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work, back to school, but they're taking time to pause to come to this memorial to stand together to say no to white supremacy, no to hatred and intolerance and to leave messages of support for the victims of this attack and for one another. kendis? >> so striking to see that memorial that has grown just in the last 24 hours since we last spoke. our thanks to nbc sara james there in christchurch, new zealand. the alleged gunman weaponized social media to make his may ham go viral. facebook announced it removed 1.5 million videos of the live streamed shooting in the first 24 hours after the attack. the graphic video spread wildly across the internet and many other tech companies struggled to keep up. this, of course, sparking a larger discussion about the role of social media in the spread of viral hate. let's bring in kevin bloomburg news, chief washington correspondent and welcome back
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katie rogers who is here with us. kevin, let me start with you. "the washington post" article calls out tech companies saying those responsible defended on the long-time priorities of the tech giants who for years have concentrated on maximizing revenue, not protecting safety or decency, they got it. does this -- blame lie solely with these companies? >> well, 17 minutes, 17 minutes is the amount of time that this gunman broadcast on social media platforms, including facebook, this horrific, devastating tragedy that occurred in new ze land. then it took about 20 minutes for new zealand police to contact social media leaders reportedly to get this removed. now facebook releasing a statement saying that they were able to get this removed from their platforms following the contact from new zealand, but look, this is coming at a time in which increasingly the public, not just shareholders, which by the way facebook was closing down on friday at 2.5%,
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but the public really putting a lot of scrutiny on big tech companies. i reached out to senator mark warner's office just before coming on air and they forward me a statement in seeing that the senator, the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee says, quote, it is overclear that youtube in particular has yet to grapple with the role it has played in facilitating radicalization and recruitment. keyword emphasis on recruitment for a host of these different supremacy arguments and of course in the 2020 fodder you have senator elizabeth warren a democrat from massachusetts, presidential candidate, who sals calling to break up big tech companies as well. >> of note on that particular part right there, katie, because elizabeth warren has been talking about the breakup of these big tech companies. could this tragedy actually highlight the point that she's been making? >> totally. i think it goes back to his point just now that this is not just -- this is average people who are concerned about data protection, they're concerned
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about the spread of disinformation, violent rhetoric, online recruiting. her proposal as, you know, take it as you want to but it reflects a lot of concerns that people have that these companies are getting too big and not listening to these concerns. her point is years and years have passed since i can recall the 2015 shooting of allison parker, where her shooter broadcast that murder. >> her dad is still trying to get that video off. >> her father is still trying to get that off of google and google's point is profiting off of my daughter's murder. that was four years ago. and so now you have a 2020 candidate coming along and saying, we've had all this time to have you pay attention, you know, why don't we introduce this policy? >> i should mention that facebook being down 2.5% on friday. it had a terrible week overall on top of terrible year as well. i do want to show you this one little thing, by the way. the daily mirror the newspaper
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described the suspected gunman as an angelic boy who grew into an evil far-right killer. but take a look at the other one from 2016 where they describe the pulse nightclub shooter as an isis maniac. something there, not sure exactly why islamic terrorists and white national terrorists are covered differently in the media but quite a contrast there with the daily mirror. our thanks to kevin and katie. thank you, guys. still ahead, the gender gap, amy klobuchar claps back at beto o'rourke's comment that he was born to run. ♪
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welcome back. i'm kendis gibson and today in only his fourth day on the campaign trail, beto o'rourke is doing something hillary clinton never did in her several months as a presidential candidate, visit wisconsin. he officially announced his bid on thursday and candidly, it was actually one of the worst-kept secrets in politics. with his announcement, vanity fair putting beto on its cover where he said, man, i'm just born to be in it. that last comment drawing a lot of heat by critics. senator amy klobuchar responding to that this morning. she tells my colleague chuck todd being born to run wasn't an option for her. >> off lot of respect for beto and it's great to have some texas in this race, but, no, i wasn't born to run for office. just because growing up in the '70s in the middle of the
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country, i don't think many people thought a girl could be president. >> all right. well, joining me now is alexander heffner, the host of the open mind tv on pbs and natasha, national political correspondent for politico. natasha, let me start with you. there seems to be a gender bias in this race at this point, doesn't it? >> well what we wrote about last week was at a time when we have historically diverse field, we have more women than ever, we have more people of color than ever, there seems to be this romanticizing one candidate who happens to be a white male and there are a lot of operatives who are expressing a lot of frustration here you have all these women and all these people of color and the media seems to be deeming the next phenom and that phenom happened to be a guy. >> i guess a lot of people are saying thank you, and next. it's often with a guy. so, alex, there is a piece also
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in the meantime in the daily beast that reads right here, there's also the difference in what beto is allowed to express, if kirsten gillibrand, for example, were to express self doubt, she would likely be attacked even more than she already is for being uncertain, unprepared or worse emotional. you get the sense that still in this day of 2019, women candidates have far different approach when they're running for president. >> i actually think beto was explicit about his doubts and indecisiveness during his wilderness, his days journeying to make that announcement. politics is the art of contrast. so if there is a bias in favor of coverage, coverage of mayor pete, coverage of beto, former congressman o'rourke, then i think -- >> do you feel male candidates are getting better coverage? >> not better, but i think you and this co-hort covering the campaign are acknowledging that there is a contrast when it comes to intellectualism,
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intelligence, nuance, sophistication, and i'm saying a contrast between these two candidates and the presiding president, donald trump. and so i think that is the key insight here. >> that natasha on that note, ne woman got that kind of coverage. in your article you point out that someone like elizabeth warren has dozens of policy proposals and visited nearly a dozen states but failed to make a ripple while beto created a sense of waves. are you sensing a level of frustration with the female candidates? >> there's certainly a level of frustration from those who are watching this happen. yes, there's the campaigns there's a level of frustration. there's operatives watching this and saying, is the media creating the crowds or is the media covering the crowds? and if you looked at elizabeth warren, i was there in iowa,
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there were blocks and blocks and blocks of people. there was more than 1,000 people in des moines. that was not carried live. that was not covered in the same way that beto o'rourke was covered on thursday. so, yes, there is a very big difference in the coverage. and this goes back, by the way, way before thursday, this is vanity fair choosing to put beto o'rourke on its cover, oprah winfrey choosing the white guy on texas to go on her show. it's those types of things when you take them all together is really frustrating people. >> i can imagine. talk really briefly about the age gap from the gender gap to the age gap. bernie sanders is nursing a bandage right now because he had a run-in with the shower door and lost. he will be 79 years old if he's inaugurated. is age a factor in this race? >> i think enthusiasm is a factor and that overrides age.
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so, if you look at mayor pete and look at beto, it's about contrast -- >> they seem energetic too. beto getting on top of tables. >> indiana was in play for then candidate senator obama. look at the map and the complexity of this debate and we'll see on the debate stage if there is bias in favor of the men or women when the anchors and moderators ask the questions. >> or the younger or the older candidates. we will see. >> right. you want a strong contrast against trump. >> thank you all. still ahead, condemning hate. has president trump dropped the ball when it comes to denouncing white supremesists? esists order ancestrydna, and find the surprises in you. just $59 through march 18th. get your kit today.
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i hear what folks says, oh, donald trump said this during the campaign. look at what we've done while we've been here. i don't think anybody could say that the president's anti-muslim. >> you've seen the president stand up for religious liberti s liberties, individual liberties. >> still you have to scratch your head and wonder what year is this? where are we when the white house chief of staff has to defend the president as not being a white supremacist. mick mulvaney was defending trump's response to the threat of white nationalism, one of the
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first two muslim women ever elected to congress rashida tlaib firing back. >> there is real data and information currently of the rise of white supremacy right here in this united states of america. he cannot just say it's a small group of people. there's there's too many deaths. not only from the synagogue to the black churches to the temples to now the mosques. we need to be speaking up against this, and it has to start with him. >> and in the wake of targeted mass shootings, at two new zealand's mosques, where does the president stand on white supremacist? we welcome back in our panel. thank you all. what do you make of mick mulvaney's response there to the president?
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>> it's a lie. if he says he's not anti-muslim, this is the man's first order of business was a muslim ban. what sarah huckabee sanders keeps saying, the antithesis of what the president does and says. we have eyes and ears as well. saying mexicans were rapists and people supported him and continued to support him you can't deny this president has been explicitly clear how he feels about white supremacists and white supremacy. these are people marches in the streets and weren't 70 years old. millennialing, in their 30s and 40s saying jews won't replace us, negroing, he said, these are good people. time and time again this president had firm tweets and firm stances on everything but white supremacy. when he gets mealymouthed and i need more facts and i'm not too
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sure. we haven't really looked at it. we've looked at it and know hate is on the rise, that nazis are on the rise, he's defunding organizations and entities wi e within the doj who would investigate this. he works for the president, giving talking points and these are not the factsan. >> speaking of the facts. skyrocketed 182% compared to 2017, in 2018. the president's first year in office. is it fair to kind of attribute that to the president? >> we've been tracking white supremacy and extremism for decades and decades. no doubt. data doesn't lie. increase in recruiting by why supremacist organizations, on and off college campuses. increase in activities in incidents of hate and an increase in murders. last year tracked 50 extremist related murders in the u.s.
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49 by extreme right wing people. the vast majority white supremacists it has an ideology, a language, history an now acts of violence and we need this president to say what it is. white supremacy is a global terror threat. plain and simple. >> that begs the question. do you think the president should come right out and give a speech affirmatively condemning white supremacy in general? >> well, i'm astonished we even have to ask the question. >> makes you wonder, yes. what year is this? >> as you said at the start. what year are we lishing in? obviously he should and repeatedly come out and give speeches and make his position clear. the fact he obfuscated on this gives comfort and reassurance and encouragement not just to white supremacists and racists and biggests in the united states but it's all over the world. i live in london. people follow that ideology in
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europe, regard president trump as a shining example. this awful man who murdered 50 people in new zealand, his manifesto, he name checks the president of the united states saying he regards him as a symbol of the white race. i mean, why should this be even a question that the president of the united states should use the pulpit that he has to repeatedly denounce and reject this ideology and show by his actions as well as by his words that he doesn't stand for anything. the fact that any of this, the fact he does not do that is not even a dog whistle. it's a dog trumpet to these people indicating that he is on their side. >> there's a critical point here. we watched these people off-line and online. tracked them on cyber space. they're em bboldened because they're telling us they are and
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using the president's means saying they're feeling empowered. >> some strategies would have happened if we had a different president? >> this isn't a republican or democrat issue. >> no, but his language is causing many of these -- >> we need our leaders to lead from the president to elected officials across the aisle to say clearly and unequivocally, white supremacy, white nationalism has no place in our public conversation. >> the fact mourners in new zealand are going through one of the most devastating times in their lives and a massive truck goes by that says, trump, build the wall. this is in new zealand. jonathan is totally correct. it is up to the republican party as well. more democrats than republicans saying this is atrocious and must be changed. republicans need to say this is not acceptable or not for the nation. >> and tweeted warmest sympathy and best wishes to the people of
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new zealand, the president tweeted. what do you make of the optics of that? what he did? >> this is not the language he has used when horrible acts of terror have been committed by other people specifically by people of color, by muslims. his language has been much more, shall we say robust. he doesn't have to look to see how do this right. the prime minister of new zealand has been extraordinary, a beacon and an example for leaders everywhere about how you should respond to this. all president trump has to do is listen to the words she's saying. look at the behavior she's showing and try to learn from her. >> i believe she went to a mosque within the last 48 hours wearing a hijab and paying tribute to victims there. thank you all. we'll be right back, everyone. ne onetion,
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good day everyone. i'm kendis gibson at msnbc headquarters in new york. and the day before president trump said there should be no report. and in the wake of the new zealand attacks. is the u.s. and its allies sharing enough information to stop terror attacks like that one? and sneaking suspicion. joe biden slips up and then walks it back.
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>> a record of anybody running for the -- anybody who would run -- i didn't mean -- [ cheers ] -- anybody who "would" run. >> and we're going to begin with president trump largely dismiss's tomorrow's house committee deadline for documents requests from 81 of his associates and entities part of a sweeping congressional investigation into the president over allegations of obstruction of justice, public corruption and other abuses of power. trump is shifting his focus to robert mueller's russia investigation, slamming the special counsel and his pending report in a sweet storm over the weekend. you see them there. for more, we head to mike viqueira at the white house. >> reporter: you're right. many people associated with the president and the president
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subject to the jerry nadler, the democrat in charge of the house judiciary committee. he sent out a couple of weeks ago those 81 letters to 81 individuals asking for information about the many probes that that judiciary committee is expected to undertake. if there's anybody that comes to mind in the trump organization or the trump administration outside the president himself, they're probably on that list with notable exception of his daughter ivanka trump. nadler has said with regards to his request for documents, he expects about half of the recipients to comply with the request for records. some, he says, have come to him and said i'm not going to give them to you now, but if you subpoena me i will give them to you then, and then others, this may not come as a surprise, they're going to stonewall and see just how far democrats and jerry nadler are willing to go, whether take them to court or try to enforce a subpoena. that is the deadline, tomorrow, at judiciary committee along with several other committees in
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the house of representatives, continue their investigations of the trump organization and the trump administration. >> yes. he has been tackling the special counsel tweet storm this weekend but also took aim at late senator john mccain. >> reporter: seven months gone now. you're talking about a tweet storm. the president has attacked so many different entities and individuals, he's been watching tv evidently this morning commenting on a lot of fox news personalities, for example. either endorsing them or criticizing them, but it's the tweets assailing john mccain, an individual, after all, who was a prisoner of war, largely regarded as a war hero. president trump has a long and sordid history of animosity with the late senator, but the president saying it was just proven in court papers that john mccain, who he calls last in his class, which is not true, had sent the fake dossier to the fbi and the media before the
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election n election. that is not proven, kendis. he sent the dossier to the fbi when rereceiving it after the election. then the president has gone on to say it's an unfortunately dark stain on john mccain quoting of all people ken starr, former independent counsel he saw on fox making these comments. ken starr it might be pointed out believes that a sitting president can be indicted. of course, with the ongoing mueller probe that's probably something that president trump doesn't want to hear. kendis? >> we should say the president did go to church. so maybe he did repent after crossing over lafayette park. one hopes. thanks to you, mike viqueira from the white house. and with me, former district attorney in new york, glen kirchner former federal prosecutor and analyst and real clear politics associate editor and columnist. glen, start with you. what would happen.
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it those who received congressional letters actually failed to send the documents to the committee? >> take it one step at a time and it won't surprise me, kendis, if this now becomes a game of delay and seeing oulg t how long the administration can rum out the clock. seems the house lost a full two years of oversight, because when the house was in republican control, they seemed to be determined to give the president and the administration top cover rather than actually performing actual oversight. so i think now it's going to be a game of the house trying to get the documents it needs to actually dig in to what's been going on inside this administration, and the administration pushing back by delaying as long as it can. >> and talk about the congressional action right now, because if congress finds evidence that the president actually obstructed justice,
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corrupted and abused his power, what legal implications could he face? >> of course, there's the power of impeachment but the more important question is why is congress doing this now? you have the mueller investigation going on. allow the mueller investigation to proceed, and move forward, and complete itself. because you're in essence, doing this, requesting these documents you're stepping on the toes of prosecutors looking at this. an interesting thing congress put forth in its letter and request is saying it doesn't recognize privileges such as attorney/client privilege and common law privilege. that's disturbing as a defense attorney. looking at this, why would they write that? if i'm the attorney for the people that your reporters said are not going comply i'm going to say, there are privileges and i'm not sure what right you have to trumphe power of these privileges, such as attorney/client privilege and
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common law privilege. >> the document requests, from two weeks ago, you view as an attorney it's going to be locked in the courts for quite a while and probably won't get them? >> look what they're doing here, ultimately. this jerry nadler, assemblyman, congressman is basically doing what he criticized two years ago. in essence, allow the mueller investigation to proceed, to complete. don't get in the way of this stuff and let's see what happens. >> okay. talk about the congressional probes a little more. also it is raising the possibility of impeachment. actually, you wrote in a recent piece, you write -- it's wise for speaker pelosi to stand down on impeachment talks for now. but what would it actually take for republicans to get onboard with removing president trump from office or do you think they would even get to near that point? >> obviously, kendis, depends what was found. right? what was either turned over in the congressional
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investigations, the oversight probes in the special counsel's final report or the investigations that are underway at the southern district of new york. so there are many different places where revelations could materialize, but if the revelations involve crimes and the president is under real legal exposure, and combine that with what he might do in response to a mueller report, or anything revealed in testimony from, let's say, allen weisselberg, the trump organization chief financial officer. let's say that his reaction, his responses to these revelations are also another thing that republicans have to respond to. there's really going to be, that's going to be the entire picture. not just what is found but the way the president responds. and what we learned through those two things what we find out happened in the part and then how he handled is it going to put pressure other than
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republicans depending on what is found. if he is not under criminal exposure and his family isn't they're going say it's a witchunt had, a waste of taxpayers dollars. >> they're already saying that. >> right. but we're waiting to see. i think the speaker is very, very smart to insist impeachment be bipartisan, republicans come along or there's no point in doing it. >> i think glen disagrees a little at least based on the tweet you sent out this morning mocking speaker pelosi for saying trump is just not worth impeachi impeaching. do you think congress should start the impeachment process before the final mueller vort even completed? >> kendis, i was not mocking speaker pelosi in fact said i have a healthy dose of respect for the sentiment expressed by speaker pelosi. here's the thing. i understand the urge to say to the house of representatives, hey, just stand down and let mueller do his thing, but you know what? mueller doesn't have oversight
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responsibility. congress does. they need to exercise it, particularly because there was no legitimate oversight for two years. so i think representative nadler and others are doing what they should be doing, and they really shouldn't take a back seat to mueller. i also think when it comes to how this -- how impeachment ought to be viewed, you know, i got in fights with judges sometimes when i was a prosecutor, because i thought a judge was overstepping his or her bounds and sort of bleeding into the executive function of the prosecution's office, and it was our job to push back when that happened. we couldn't just say, well, you know, we'll probably lose the battle with the judge, because the judge has the ultimate say over the positions we're taking. it's more important to fight these battles than to win these battles. so i think, you know, these impeachment investigations should move forward. mueller's investigation should move forward. there will be some overlap end of the day but they are
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different responsibilities. >> all right. leave it at in that. our thanks to all of you. i don't think jerry nadler is listening to you even though you are a constituent he's going to continue on. thank you. still ahead, hint, hint. joe biden came close to announcing a run, but it was just a slipup. right? and kirsten gillibrand makes it official. the 2020 race is on. my mom's pain from moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis was intense.
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i've told criticized by the new left. i have the most progressive record of anybody running for the -- anybody who would run. [ cheers ] -- i didn't mean -- anybody who would run. >> standing ovation. rea ready to run? feeling more speculation of getting ready to run. and mike memoly when will he or won't he just say something? >> that's the question, kendis. i've been following vice president biden closely more than a decade now. he has an expression. no one doubts i mean kbha i say. the problem is i say all that i mine. that's one reason why i was paying very close attention to two speeches he gave this week. one there. i was in dover when he spoke to
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the dover, delaware party and earlier addressing firefighters union. friendly audiences, audiences he has a long connection. while the plan wasn't top announce this week i thought maybe the moment would capture him just like we saw perhaps again, now what is the plan? biden advisers continue to tell me the announcement if and when he makes a decision to run would likely come in early to mid-april giving the green light right about now. we're at that point. he has to give them the time they need to execute that game plan. to the degree there's uncertainty deciding no to the run harks to do with the question you saw addressing there in the remarks. where he fits into the democratic party. you've heard him refer to the new left. interesting to hear him talk about what he calls the delaware way of doing politics. take a listen how he described that last night. >> we don't demonize our opponents, we don't belittle them, question their motive,
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their judgment, not mirror motives. we don't treat the opponent as an enemy. >> the vice president has been criticized for recently, for instance, talking about how mike pence is a decent guy. talking about his long, decades' worth of relationships with republican working in the senate. to the extent he's concerned how he might fare in a primary has to do with whether or not the democratic party has the appetite for somebody like joe biden who believes while there may be a very vocal element of the party that does not want to work with republicans, the very quiet majority in the party agrees with him that the american people want getting things done and that means worki working together. >> used a key word. progressive. that means that he is running, but we will see. >> thank you so much. bring back my panel. a republican strategist and founder of the women's
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leadership network and host of sirius xms woke af radio show. thanks and welcome to all of you. okay. so danielle, biden is defending his progressive record, but is he more of a centrist candidate? >> yes. i mean, biden has been in congress for roughly, what? he has been in politics over 30 years, and he's always been a centrist. i think that's important to know. had he was vice president working with president obama, he was a centrist. he is not a progressive, and what's really interesting about this current flock of candidates is that they are all moving further to the left. so the question has been where does that leave joe biden? while trump is saying, and the trump administration is saying, that what they view he's their most formidable opponent, is that what democrats actually want? the thing i'm saying, i'm not quite sure if democrats are ready to go back to center,
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given how far right we have gone. >> that really is the question right there. because his record being a centrist in a polarized political climate. does it hurt him? >> you know, look that question keeps me up at night. >> does it? >> as a moderate. it really does. is there an appetite to people who like the center right now and the answer is really no. do we need that to counter trump and the answer might be yes. i don't know a progressive is an an to what trump is in this moment. back to joe biden and who joe biden is. i want to say we've heard this quote quite often. all politics is local. likewise, all politics boils down to likability. joe biden has it. really, look at the man. he's got stamina, the drive. most importantly, he has resilience. in his personal life a guy that's faced tremendous adversity and faced it with a smile, and he's a guy who likes to have a good time. americans like that in their president. they want that.
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i think more than intellect and capability what will win against trump is the likability factor. i welcome him jumping in to the pool at 2020. >> you really do have a whole bunch of likable candidates who are out there including many say beto o'rourke, who actually wapged in wapg weighed in on biden's possible candidacy. >> we'd be very lucky to have vice president biden in this race. he has a lot of respective and experience bear. >> how's biden's possible candidacy going to impact beto and others? >> i think right now for whatever reason, even though the field is so diverse, democrats are praying for a white man to come in on white horse and save them, which i find very bizarre. i think he's going to impact in a lot of ways. one, we like beto for his passion. we like the way that he has stood up against the right, but i also am not really clear about what beto's policies are. i'm not really clear about what his policy agenda is.
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i think that when, if biden does enter the race -- >> been in it four days. give him some time. >> yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but we've been talking about him running for what feels like 40 years. also he needs to define himself at this moment. it's a crowded field. you don't have time to sit around and talk to people just about likability and what coffee do you like and this thing and the other thing. people want to know what year going to do for them. we live in a time of anxiety ridden and we need to know what you're going to do for them and their family. >> and elizabeth warren has a phone book-size book with policies out there. >> exactly. >> and a good week. is he for real? a contender? >> he's as much a contender as andy yang is, if you ask me. these guys are very relatively unknown, rather, and i just feel like, here we are in this moment where this field is so crowded,
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and i just want to say, congratulations, democrats. you're screwing it up again. this crowded field did not need to happen. >> got a lot of donors. >> unconventional times like this era of trump call for unconventional measures. i understand the field is open you get a lot of people jumping in like it's summer camp. let's go to the pool. i feel serve emerging. democrats really could benefit from coalescing around one candidate and figuring out even in the primary stages who that person is that will be able to go out there into other parts of the country, win hearts and minds, talk about what they can actually do for americans. can they reassure americans in the way that trump does? trump does it with lies. i get that. i'm a person that didn't vote for him last time. i'm never vote for trump. the reality, there are people that feel trump reassures them that everything is going all right, everything's going to be okay. ed by t biden to me is that kind of guy. as woman i'm delighted so many
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women jumped in. i can't tell you how happy that makes me, but you've got to get somebody that has a real chance at knocking this guy off. >> i think we have a good field pap field of talented people. i think that everybody should be jumping in the pool. hell, i may run for pred. know what i'm saying? we have a huge field! i think the reality is, to that point, we will coalesce around that one person. we'll see. >> i hope so. >> all right. a lot of time, folks. we're in 3 400 days until the caucuses. say with me. still ahead, new trouble for boeing. developing news after a report finds similarities between the crash in ethiopia that killed at least eight americans and the crash in indonesia. the death toll rises in new zealand following it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey.
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it's time for the roundup of other stories making headlines. historic floods sweeping aparts cross of the upper midwest. nebraska saying the worst the state has seen in more than 50 years. parts of iowa hit hard by record flooding. at least one person died as a result. developing news in the
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investigation into that ethiopian airlines plane crash that resulted in boeing max 737 8 planes being grounded. a similarity between the crash in new zealand and that in indonesia five months ago. a raging tent fire has broken out in the deer park neighborhood of houston. officials issued a shelter in place to residents due to the fire and intercontinental terminal companies. this comes one day after an exxon fire as well. and colorado joined ten other states and the district of columbia in planning to give electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the popular vote in 2020. finally, the death toll in new zealand has riz ton 50. another victim discovered at the mosque. dozens of others remain in
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hospitals. many in critical condition. and as we continue to learn new details, surrounding the horrific massacre in new zealand we're learning limitations of intelligence gathering. the "washington post" reporting toe saying the latest attack exposes how little the u.s. and its allies share intelligence on suspected threats. the gunman was not on any terror watch list. joining me, a former fbi double agent and author of "how to catch a russian spy." i want to quote a little more from that article from the "washington post," because it says -- the united states and its closest allies have spent nearly two decades building an elaborate system to share intelligence about international terrorist groups, but there's no comparable arrangement for sharing intelligence about domestic terrorist organizations including right wing extremists. what's going on here? is there a better way of these countries sharing data?
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>> well, what'ses going on here is very simple. this badge i wear here as a naval intelligence warfare officer that i earned when i was going through schooling for the navy, one of the things they drilled into us over and over and over again is as an intelligence officer you do not collect against u.s. persons. we're a democracy. people have an expectation of privacy. a due process. you know, domestic terrorism, it's the right term. from a legal standpoint, unless someone has comitted a crime we can't just start monitoring them, can't actually act, can't be a thought police. it's very different to talk about someone who is a threat to national security, traveled to syria, part of isis, and now trying to come back to the united states. that's where a lot of the intelligence amongst these five countries actually happens, but talking about u.s. persons acting within the united states and have not actually committed a crime, this is what we call, kendis, a gap. a real gap between what law
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enforcement can do here. >> do you feel this will come back to haunt us in the future? >> absolutely. it already has. we go to the pulse nightclub shooting. the case of that, someone known by the fbi. interviewed by the fbi and they said, like there's nothing here we can charge him with. there's so many examples of this where these are people who are known, people who are reported, but until they commit a crime, law enforcement, the lead agency, which is the lead effort within the united states to counter this really can't do much. i think this sort of shows limitation of our laws. i'm frustrated we have a terror watch list, no fly list, but if someone is on the terror watch list, guess what? they can still buy a gun. things seems low-hanging fruit and things we should push on as americans and certainly our legislators should push as well. >> and well aware, president trump downplayed the threat of white nationalism. the facts, though, state otherwise. you can see right there. is the president right with
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this? and by ignoring these facts? >> he's completely wrong. i mean, look, white nationalism and domestic terrorism, whichever moniker you want to assign to it has been a huge source of death and chaos within the united states even in just the last few years. the number of attacks. first we need a president -- first part, acknowledge it is a threat. it is going to be a chronic and long-term threat. look, racism and bigotry unfortunately existed long before donald trump. it's only been i think magnified and increased but it's going to stay around. the first step, leadership has to okacknowledge this is a thre and figure what tools we can use, what tools we can use in the context of making sure people still have to have their rights, due process. that doesn't mean we should sit by and wait for something like this to happen again. that's not the way to do things. >> meantime, you know, the suspected gunman posted on website, used facebook to broz
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cast the massacre. what kind of challenges do you figure social media sites present to intel gathering itself? he also tweeted about it ahead of time. >> you know, it's not shocking to me. we saw this, again, with the pulse night klug, posting on facebook before this. it is up to social media companies, platforms, to take the stance they are going to be pro-active about this. most companies are good about sharing information with law enforcement and the intelligence community and should continue to do so. these are private companies, again, there is no expectation of prefreedom of speech. saw it with conservatives kicked off the twitter. we need to see more of that. people that espoused hate and violence need to be removened and not given a platform to espouse these words. that's not a violation of their freedom of speech. still stand on the corner and yet it. no reason twitter needs to plamp
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p amplify it. we need to shame these companies no not allow these people to g magnify their voice. >> thank you so much. still ahead a new call for someone to come forward and challenge president trump in 2020, but wait until you hear who's making the request.
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just because republicans ought to be give an choice. he has a strong, loyal base and it would be hard to beat him. it's hard to beat a sitting president, but to have a conversation about what it is to be a conservative, i think it's important. >> with an already overcrowded and ever groeshing fie iever-gr republicans to take on donald trump in 2020, legacy politician there and one-time opponent to president trump, jeb bush, call canning on potential republican candidates to throw their hats in to the ring against trump in the interests of fairness and choice. a move that's openly frowned upon by the conservative establishment. >> i mean, the president has 93% approval in our party. what would any republican be thinking saying this is a guy i'm going to run against? so have at it. go ahead. waste your money, waste your time and go ahead and lose. >> wow. so she's saying, go, try.
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you know? drinking the kool-aid there. joining us right now, newswriter at "vanity fair." and we welcome back the rest of the panel. isn't it health toy have a little competition for the president at least on his side of the aisle? >> well, kendis, back to those words from rana romney mcdaniel. rana mcdaniel, dropped romney at some point. truers words have never been spoken. she's right. a tremendous waste of resources and time for anyone to do this. i say that today. my opinion can change. i was part of a ragtag team of folks that traveled the country for a few short months, a few shore weeks with evan mcmullin and i'm proud of it glad we tried but not much of an appetite for it, and i just -- i just don't think it's possible from the right. >> maybe they're thinking something else. how does the possibility of a
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potential impeachment play into all of this? >> well it is very clear that after the midterms republican donors looked around add the fact that the mueller report was coming. that the president put republicans especially senators who are up for re-election in 2020 in a terrible jam on the shutdown, and a terrible jam on the national emergency declaration, that his poll numbers are still not looking good enough in the battleground states he won in 2016 and would have to win again to win re-election. and they don't know what's to come with the possible downturn in the economy, and then, of course, back to that all-consuming question, what's in the mueller report? so there is definitely a move afoot among republican doan toedoaners if they're interested to be prepared. my governor larry hoge sn nan i
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jumping in but getting prepared to be prepared. and he's on track to run for re-election, the president is but there's a scenario in which he does it and people are in the party hoping that some people have gotten ready for that. >> larry hogan saying while the climate might not be right, right now. three months from now, who knows? abigail, another person you wrote about article about. the secretary of state. mike pompeo. people, i'm wondering, is he a possible future candidate? he denies he would be, but there is something that you pointed out that said, hmm. interesting itinerary here. >> right. yeah. the story i wrote was about mike pompeo's recent spate of domestic travel. earlier this month he was in iowa. >> made the tv rounds and radio flounds io rounds in iowa. >> had lunch at a grocery store. met with the former governor, current governor and going to texas and kansas. these are key kind of states in general, but also battleground
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states when looking ahead to future presidential elections along with nikki haley very much viewed as a person with political ambitions beyond the trump administration and looking ahead. >> look at the possible republican contenders, if -- if -- something might happen. you mentioned nikki haley. trying to up her profile since leaving the united nations there.m pompeo, and larry hogan toes are wet. john kasich as well. is it a possibility they might run against the president. >> folks like nikki haley and mike pompeo i don't think it would make sense to run against president trump. they're in a unique position. they are able now -- haley walked away from the trump administration in a unique spot. kind of unscathed. he didn't light her up on the
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way out the door. look at mike pompeo. he's an individual who's a trump loyalist. trump still seems to really like him and for those two individuals, it wouldn't make sense to sort of lose this goodwill they generated with the mega base i. love t. >> i love that bar. he didn't light them up going out the door. >> yes. >> thank you all. still ahead, cory booker's got a boo -- ♪ my boo and the presidential candidate is dating actress rosario dawson. what's love got to do with it? that's next. that's next.
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2020 candidate beto o'rourke is in wisconsin today after three day trip to iowa. the text democrat is hosting an event in madison and will mach pip seems his president's campaign is picking up where her failed senate bid left off. the energy that endeared him to voters in texas seems to be resonating with the crowds in the midwest as he speaks to supporters from and on coffee bars. and greeting them at house parties and various other events to introduce himself and even going the distance.
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running a 5k race right there with some guy who was like, who are you? seriously. that happened. trying to keep in step with beto in milwaukee is nbc's vaughn hillyard. vaughn, why is this so important to beto, especially this early? >> reporter: the notice sent by beto o'rourke about what kind of campaign he's going to run. recall back in 2016 donald trump won the state by this 22,000 votes after hillary clinton did not campaign here. all during the general election, we just spoke with him. he's in a meeting with electrical workers, union right now. we just spoke with him about the midwest. i want to play you a little sound. i posed the question to him. talking about the likes of iowa, michigan, wisconsin, states that democrats lost in 2016 what is it that beto o'rourke will be able to bring to them? >> why should voters in michigan, in wisconsin, in iowa, be convinced the democratic party as a whole is paying
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attention to them, particularly in rural communities? >> the only way to win is to show up, and i have found that in every political race i've run, from city council to congress to u.s. senate, when we don't show up, we get what we deserve, and that is to lose. so i'm going to show up everywhere, for everyone. >> reporter: kendis, i want to note beto o'rourke is fast and on the move. we're trying our best to keep up with him at all of these stops along the way. madison earlier, milwaukee, another milwaukee stop coming up. i'll note, just talked to him but not able to put out into the sphere first time he commented on the "vanity fair" piece on the comments that were on the front page there saying i was born to do this. amy klobuchar this morning responding on "meet the press" saying she was not born to be president. didn't view it that way but viewed herself as putting herself in position to do these things. beto o'rourke just told
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reporters near milwaukee essentially, said he hoped he didn't actually speak those words. he said that the context in which he meant that was that he was born to serve and essentially said that's part of his journey here and hoped obviously to have the opportunity to be president but wanted to make that distinction. >> the headline on drudge report right now, bold print saying, gaffetastic referring to beto o'rourke's day out there. vaughn hillyard, thanks to you in milwaukee. beto is still apologizing also about quips related to his wife. kamala harris felt compelled to express why she marry add white man and recently the actress rozro rosario dawson confirmed she's dating cory booker. joining me, reporter for the "new york times" and we welcome back danielle moodie-mills. talk about beto quickly, because he made a joke about his wife and how his wife was raising the kids and he'd help out
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sometimes, and he came forward to apologize for it. take a's listen. >> it's absolutely valid criticism, and it's constructive criticism. it is already made me a better candidate, not only will i not say that again -- but i'll be much more thoughtful going forward. >> did he really mess up here? >> i do think that he messed up. >> okay. >> it was a little, a small gaffe. right? because the idea is that we always ask, you know, women about how do you manage this work life balance? one of the first questions women in power always ask and men never get asked that question. the idea here he is literally running around the campaign trail and his wife is at home with his kids and he's okay with that was a bit problematic and i'm sure women looked at that and said, wait a minute. a what? >> it tichs touches on an issu already is a problem. men get to run around women are
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stuck home doing domestic work. in the last election, bernie sanders asked about taxes, and those are her taxes and she'll get around to it. shoving it off instead of doing it equally. >> and campaign launch video he sat and spoke for three-plus minutes and his wife kind of sat there and -- >> like an ornament. right? i think the idea is that we're going to be talking about how important it is to have men and women share. share the work load at home. i think it's important that that show up. by him being a bit dismissive. it was a joke. rig right? people are going to make gaffes. 300-plus days until we get anywhere and he's speaking. but it's important to apologize and kind of walk that back. what was said. >> switch, because i want to talk how important it is, your spouse. because we awe thought cory booker was on the market.
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thought he was available. would be the possible, possibly the first president bachelor president and then he's like, i have a boo. take a turn from the '90s, a term, but whatever. rosario dawson and i am very happy about it, and they're dating, and rosario said she is in love. does it matter he's dating anybody or that he came right out and right now and -- with this? >> i think that it does matter. >> it does matter. >> kendis, i honestly believe that love does matter and that it's important but i don't know if america is ready to have a bachelor president. right? especially a black man as a bachelor president. we have to kind of think about the race of this as well. which comes into play. so i think that it is important that he have a significant other, that he lifts them up, maybe not use the term boo anymore. maybe leave that alone, but i do they it matters and shows your
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family values. all of these things. i just don't think that america would work around that. we haven't had a bachelor what, in -- since the 19th century. >> kamala harris married to a white man and traction in the black community about her in that. does that matter? you know, this day and age? >> so it's interesting. biographies are used often by candidates to give them leverage or credibility to talk about something. i grew up in a working class home and therefore can talk about economic issues. my dad worked in the coal mine, therefore i talk about the coal industry. it is very difficult to be a candidate and point to somebody else's biography and disqualify them. good luck trying to be that candidate or that operative with your fingerprints on that. if you have a group like a tv or radio show and sort of do things to get attention, fine. that's your thing. if you are a candidate in the ring and you get caught trying to do that, good luck, because that opens up an entire realm of
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questions that distract from other issues, like health care, education, student loans, that people want to talk about. >> right. >> is that why kamala is getting heat from within the black community? >> i honestly think she's getting heat because there is a sense of, you know, if you are black and you are black identified, does that lessen your plaqueness? always an issue in the black community. if you speak a certain way, grew up in a certain space -- like it's always that. >> how could you walk the walk if you're married to a white guy? and craig melvin tweeted, because of love. >> right, right. a because i fell in love with somebody that should discount their blackness? it's a rid outside sentiment, a ridiculous notion and we should move past it. >> so love matters? >> is does. and matters what the policies are you're trying to do. >> thanks to you both. appreciate it. rejected racism has the white house done enough to condemn white supremacy? the chief of staff thinks so. a discussion coming up next.
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day. and a direct quote from acting chief of staff mulvaney, denying the president of the united states is a racist after donald trump's comments on the new zealand mosque tragedies. donald trump attacks john mccain by name seven months after his death. the angry reaction and what it says about the russia investigation, plus, beto o'rourke moves on to wisconsin. lots of attention, good and bad. criticism of his political experience and his handle on key policy issues all heats up. first up for you, though, if it's sunday, it's a tweet day for the president most often. fueling the digital outpouring criticism on white nationalism around the world. take a listen to this.


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