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power the democrat engine. >> instead of fear and division he's offering hope and inspiration and unity of the that's what people want now. >> what a contrast between trump and o'rourke. it would be incredible. >> history calls for us to come together. to show ourselves and fellow americans the generations that follow what we're made of. and what we can do. and the only way to get that done is get it done together. thank you all for having me out today. this is an msnbc special presentation. all we hear about is this phony russia witch hunt. >> the mueller/russia report is not ready yet. >> washington is in eager and anticipation mode. our report is. >> this is really important. the unprecedented moments. >> those were lies and i am so sorry that the american people were told that. >> mr. trump knew of and directed the trump moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it.
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>> the infamous meeting. >> when you tell someone you have dirt, once you get a yes, you have hooked your fish. because they lied that makes it look more significant than it is. >> the aggressive defense. >> fake news of the russia witch hunt. >> trump create a great job creating an atmosphere that a third of the country will not believe anything that robert mueller says. >> how do we get here? >> i am concerned that donald trump is behaving someone who may have been compromised or blackmailed by russia. >> what's next? >> the house committee sending outleters to individuals looking for these things. such as trumps other business dealings. >> it is hard to imagine the worse thing that happens to donald trump was being elected president of the united states. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
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for more than two years, the nation has been consumed by questions about whether trump campaign and the russians interfered in the 2016 elections? >> we have a special counsel to head the russia investigation. >> the fbi raided the office of the lawyer of the president of the united states. >> there is still no evidence of collusion between the president and anyone. >> was there collusion, obstruction of justice, improper contact between russian officials and the campaign? it is the focus of the mueller investigation and what we'll dive into tonight. beginning with the question, how did we get here? >> we need more love and kindness in this country. just days before democrats would name hillary clinton their presidential nominee, wikileaks
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uploaded nearly 20,000 hacked e-mails. >> u.s. intelligence agencies believe russian cyber spies hacked into the computer belonging to the democratic national committee. >> they realized what they had been looking at is a credibly complex tact directed by the kremlin designed undermine our democracy, defeat hillary clinton and elect donald trump. >> which as especially in hindsight made that now famous press conference even more unforgettable. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> apparently, russia was listening. >> the russians took it. within hours they started trying to hack her server. former trump campaign adviser, sam nunberg. the timing of the attack was
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deliberate. >> it is not a coincidence. russia took it literally. >> days after trump's unusual request, the fbi opened a counter intelligence into russia's attempt to influence the election and any possible connection with the trump campaign. >> they said you admire president putin? >> i said i don't admire him, i said he's a strong leader, may be bad or good. >> trump's regard for vladimir he's a strong leader. putin also peaked the interest of the fbi as did the many russia connections among his campaign staffs. >> you have carter page and george papadopoulos and felix sater, all of these characters paul manafort, were having contacts with russian officials in one way or another. >> michael flynn, the adviser with a russian connection, michael flynn. >> we do not need a reckless
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president who believes she is above the law. >> in 2015, flynn had traveled to moscow where he was paid to appear on r.t., russia today. the kremlin tv channel. >> the president thinks he's containing isis? >> i know he said that and i disagree with that. i definitely disagree with that. >> he stood and applauded putin's speech when emerged later that he was paid, his company was paid some $45,000. >> after trump's victory in november, he named flynn national security adviser against the advice of out going president barack obama who reportedly warned trump that flynn lacked the temperament for the job. >> i had the opportunity to have the conversation with president-elect trump, president obama struck back at russia for
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the cyber attack ejecting 35 suspected russian spies from the u.s. and imposing sanctions against russian intelligence services. >> vladimir putin responded surprisingly by not responding. >> he announced he would not retaliate against the u.s. for posing new sanctions to interfere with the election. >> what the public did not know was on the day president obama announced those sanctions, michael flynn, had conversations with sergei kislyak. the russian ambassador. >> one of the things he said was basically don't react to this. hold tight, there is a new administration coming in and it won't be a problem. >> general flynn should have known the fbi monitors all calls with foreign diplomats to u.s. citizens. >> the duties of the office on which i am about to enter. >> soon after flynn was sworn in as national security adviser,
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he was questioned pi by the fbi. >> he was asked about his contacts with the russians during the presidential transition. >> he denied that he discussed the sanctions when really they had evidence that he had in fact brought it up. >> u.s. intelligence officials believe flynn made the same denial to vice president-elect pence. over at the justice department, top officials knew flynn had been untruth. deputy attorney general sally yates shared her concerns. with white house lawyers. >> she thought flynn was blackmailed because he did not tell the truth. about meetings with the russians. and russians knew that. >> i had to state the obvious, you don't want your national security adviser compromise with the russians. >> the president ignored the warnings and the next 18 days did nothing to correct the public deception. >> he's trying to hold onto michael flynn despite the fact that he's compromised.
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which just for prosecutors, it raises one question, why? >> the washington post just posted this national security adviser, michael flynn, discussed sanctions before trump took office despite denials, officials say. >> not until the washington post revealed flynn had discussed sanctions with russia. did trump ask for flynn's resignation. on february 13. >> national security adviser, michael flynn has resigned. >> a day after he resigned, the president met with the man overseeing the fbi investigation, director james comey. >> comey is at the white house for a meeting and trump kicks everyone out in the room and he wants to talk about the flynn investigation. he wants to tell him look, flynn did not do anything wrong, i need you to move pass and not do this investigation. comey was asked about the
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conversation at a congressional hearing. >> he's a good guy. i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words, correct? >> yes. >> he did not order you to let it go. >> i took it as a direction. it is a president of the united states with me alone saying i hope this, i took it as this is what he wants me to do. i did not obey that but that's what i took it. >> the president denied asking comey to stop investigating flynn. a little month later, he took the shocking step of dismissing the fbi director. >> comey is out in los angeles, talking to some staff there and he looks up and sees on the television in the back of the room, the crawl, the breaking news alert that he's been fired. he says -- that's funny, his aides come up to him and say, actually sir, this is not a joke.
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the white house would give conflicts reasons for the dismissal. trump appeared crystal clear about it the next day. >> the president was in the oval office with the russian ambassador, sergei kislyak and russian foreign minister. lavrov and according to press accounts of that meeting, he described james comey as a "nut job" and boasted that he had relieved a lot of pressure on himself by getting rid of him. >> trump echoed a similar sentence into nbc news anchor, lester holt. a day later. >> monday you met with rod rosenstein, did you ask him for a recommendation? >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire comey knowing there is no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to do it, i said to myself, you know -- this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up
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story, it is an excuse by the democrats for having lost in the election. >> a week later, deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, announced he was appointing a special counsel to oversee the russia investigation. it was a turning point in the trump presidency that donald trump blamed on attorney general jeff sessions. a top adviser during this campaign. >> i had involvement with the campaign, i should not be involved in any campaign investigations. therefore, i have recused myself in the matters that deal with the trump campaign. >> his recusal gave rod rosenstein the power to appoint a special counsel, his choice, robert swan mueller iii. >> coming up, i am very concerned that donald trump is behaving like someone who may have been compromised or blackmailed by russia. i can't believe it.
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donald trump ran for president claiming he mastered the art of the deal. >> in 2016, did vladimir putin make him an offer he could not refuse? like president trump, vladimir putin, has supreme political power and incredible personal wealth. in 2012, u.s. sanctions, made putin a fortune into achilles' heels. not by targeting the country. just the russian billionaires who support him. >> vladimir putin does not keep money in his own name. he keeps money in the names of many russian oligarchs.
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this piece of legislation can and will this will freeze the assets. i believe that putin is the richest man in the world. i believe he's worth $200 billion. this piece of legislation puts that money at risk. donald trump runs for president may given vladimir putin a chance to get those sanctions lifted. investigators likely interested whether putin, a kgb recruiter, -- used russian spy craft to achieve that goal. >> it means having something on someone. >> it would cause an embarrassment or threaten. it is what you use to hang over somebody's head as a mean to control. >> a duty of assistant of state focused on international organized crimes in the 1990s. >> it is almost, always or two kinds of things, it is either
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financial compromise, you taken a payment from someone you do not report or you have done sexually that you can't have it disclose. exposed. the russians look for a corrupt businessman and a target country. they seek compromise that corrupt business person. and inject that corrupt business person like a virus into the political business structure of a country. >> thank you. >> whether donald trump had been compromised by russian intelligence is a core mystery of the mueller investigation. the president has repeatedly denied he has business ties to russia. but financial transactions in the mid 2000s and comments by his own family suggests other wise. >> starting around 2006, the trump and the trump organization going on shopping sprees and spending a lot of cash and a number of acquisition including major golf course in scotland.
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there is a question around where did they get the money to do this. in 2008, donald trump jr. stated that russia was an important financial partner. >> donald trump jr. says in the 2008 conference quote, "russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets." we see a lot of money pouring in from russia. >> in 2014, >> eric trump told james dodson the same thing. >> eric trump suggested to a well regarded call that those funding came from russia. >> eric trump told the new york post that he was misquoted, stating the allegations was quote, "complete garbage." the public record is clear on one point. donald trump had been to russia more than once. he first went to 1987 when it is still the soviet union, he returned in 1996. his connection with russia grew
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deeply when a russian oligarch helped him stage the pageant in russia. he took the tint opportunity in moscow to praise the leader. and other russian businessmen. >> we met aguilar in moscow and he came up to us and received a warm welcome. >> rob gold stone is a publicist who works for aguilar. pop star son. >> mr. trump says he believes that the russians had a strong leader in president putin unlike america whose leader was weak. >> in june of 2013, >> donald trump expressed hope on twitter that he and putin would become best friends. in november of 2013, soon after the pageant ended, donald trump announced his dreams of building a tower in moscow bearing his name.
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he entrusted the deal to his right hand man and personal fixer, michael cohen. >> at some point in 2015, the trump organization began to try to take action around building a major skyscraper in moscow. michael cohen was a key force in planning that thought in the president's ears. trump had a financial interest in trying to get something done in russia at the very moment when trump himself was a candidate for the most powerful office in the world. >> but even as candidate trump denied business ties to russia, confidential reports claiming otherwise surfaced in washington, d.c. >> what's known as the steele dossier is named for the british intelligence to compile its content. >> the steele dossier is collection of tips compiled by british agents who was hired by republican campaigns and by hillary clinton campaign to find
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out what's going on with donald trump russia. >> steel began his investigation in the fall of 2015 and continued into 2016. in june, steel's first report suggested that russia had compromised and then candidate trump including allegedly compromising financial and sexual information. >> i met with steel and he knew more about russia organize crimes than i did. and money laundering. and a i know a lot. i knew a lot but he knew more. the russian government had a relationship with donald trump of ongoing contacts between donald trump and those close in the russia government. >> steel's report grew more alarming. >> steel hearing of the fact that russia was dangling deals with trump. he knew the names like michael
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cohen and felix sater. this information was heroing. it was totally outside the experiences of anything that anyone had ever heard about a presidential candidate. some of the dossiers have been corroborated but much of it has not including its sexual allegations. in the closing days of 2016 as president obama struggled to respond to a president assault, the steele dossier was largely unknown to the public. by the time it was public to buzz feed in 2016, donald trump had already won the election. >> i am very concerned. >> i am concerned that donald trump is behaving like someone who may have been compromised or blackmailed by russia. that's something we need to get to the bottom of.
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i think i get along very well with vladimir putin. i think i get along well with him. >> while the mueller investigation nears the two-year mark and no information about its findings are available. president trump and his white house repeatedly stated there was no collusion between his presidential campaign and russia. >> there was no collusion. >> no collusion. >> evidence of contact between russia and his family and associates and donald trump himself. has fuelled speculation. is the president cooperating on some level with vladimir putin? one event stands above the rest as evident potential collusion between the trump campaign and russian operates. the meeting of june 9th, 2016 at trump tower.
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>> who was trump's closest pals and business business associates in russia? the guy he did miss universe with. so if you want to get a message to the trump campaign from the russia's side, those are the people who you go to. >> rob goldstein, a publicist orchestrated the event and would not attend the meeting. the message to his e-mail no donald trump jr. would later raise eye brows. >> the prosecutor of the rush. >> some officials documents and information that'll in criminate hillary. >> don jr. would later ignite a fire storm of controversy. >> he says i love it. it becomes part of the evidence
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record that knew and trying to get dirt with hillary clinton in kahoot with russian nationals. that's a campaign finance crime. >> when you tell someone we have dirt on hillary and you are testing the waters to see what the response is and once you get a yes, a positive response to that. you have hooked your fish. >> joining don jr. at the meeting, donald trump's son-in-law, jared kushner and campaign chairman paul manafort, the powerful political consultant with ties to russia. the russian contingent included a lawyer with close ties to the kremlin. and a russian american lobbyist and former soviet counter intelligence officer. >> the question had always been did candidate trump knew about the meeting from happening?
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>> if trump knew and did in the stop it from happening, that in itself is a crime even if he did not ask or direct it. >> manafort has been in russia and ukraine. >> if donald trump jr. and jared kushner took this meeting innocently and ignorantly is possible. mr. manafort would know. what the russians were up to. although the meeting reportedly didn't deliver any in criminating information, it did cause problems for don jr. when contacted by the new york times, released a short statement that the meeting was primarily about russian adoption. when the "times" followed up, he and told him they were in possession of the e-mail exchange. he changed his explanation. >> donald trump releasing e-mails that confirmed he met last year with someone described as a russian government attorney.
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it was later reported that the president dictated john jr.'s original statement about adoption. >> don jr. puts the lie out, he knew he was going to a meeting to get dirt from hillary clinton from a russian national which i can't say often enough because that's just damming. >> had they just explain everything? had those e-mails been released by don jr. from the beginning? >> there is no there there. it is because they lied that makes it looked more significant than it is. >> as the campaign continues so did contacts between trump associates and russian individuals. after winning the election, the president-elect trump prorussia statements raised concerns. >> if putin likes donald trump,
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guess what, folks, that's called an asset, not a liability. in 2018, when president trump criticized american allies in the european union and barbed the u.s.'s role in nato. >> we are going to have to do something because we are not going to put up with it. >> his words sent shock waves around the world because a week in nato which was created to protect against russian aggression could strengthen putin's influence. the unusual relationship continued to evaluate and in july 2018, during the helsinki meeting, the president was put in the spot in the entire world. >> every u.s. intelligence concluded that russian did. interfered. my first question to you, sir, who do you believe? >> people came to me and they said they think it is russia.
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i have president putin, he just said it is not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> we have the president of the united states literally defending the president of russia. telling the world that his own intelligence apparatus is not right. that's astounding. >> despite stating that he misspoke the next day. >> i said the word "would," instead of "wouldn' t." i don't see any reason why it wor wouldn't be russia. people are speaking out in ways i have not heard before, not only american diplomats but foreign diplomats who were saying we can't rely on the president. >> to me that's something he would have to look into.
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>> adding to the suspicion. the president had gone to great lengths to conceal the details of the private helsinki meeting as he has for each of the four private meetings he had with vladimir putin, leading many to ask, is this a bromance or something else? >> i don't like the term bromance because that implies there is a mutual relationship. >> i think donald trump is handling a spy and to sit with an ex kgb who's the leader of the greatest mafia in the world, you are going to get handled and not just handled, he's going to manipulate you and you would think it is a bromance, he will think that he's now in control of the united states. >> coming up. >> mr. stone told mr. trump that he just gotten off the phone with julian assange. >> we just don't know and if he
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new zealand prime minister once again promising action on gun control. after a rampage left 50 people dead in two mosques in the country. the possibility a complete ban on private ownership of semi-automatic rifles and the damage from weekend flooding kontds in the midwest. hundreds of houses? nebraska and iowa have been destroyed. communities bracing for major flooding of their own. back to russia if you're listening. >> a number of people around this campaign with ties from russia. people do not seem to be lying about spain or netherlands or italy over and over again. it is russia.
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>> since the russia investigation began, his office obtained convictions of five associates of donald trump. the charges have ranged from lying to the fbi to tax evasions. the special counsel's filings have made it clear that all five had suspicious contacts with russia during the campaign. >> there is a lot of efforts by the russian government to tamper in the interference. >> a sixth indictment came in january 2019 against roger stone for making false statements to congress and obstruction of justice and witness tampering. stone pleaded not guilty. >> there is no circumstance whatsoever under which i bare false witness against the president. >> roger stone is willing to color outside the lines in a way
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that other strategists or other political operatives may be unwilling to do. >> stone was not a member of the trump campaign staff, he served as an unofficial adviser. he came to mueller after bragging in 2016 that he was communicating directly with wikileaks founder, julian assange. assange became a factor of june 2016 when he made an announcement on british television. >> we have e-mails about hillary clinton. which painting pending publication. according to former trump's lawyer, michael cohen, before wikileaks released any of those e-mails, roger stone called donald trump. mr. stone told mr. trump, he gotten off the phone with mr. julian assange. mr. assange told mr. stone that
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in a couple of days, there will be a massive dump of e-mails that would damage hillary clinton's campaign. >> i don't think he had any contact with julian asang. >> that's roger trying to be remaining relevant to trump. >> soon after that alleged phone call, wikileaks began its first dump of hack material. >> this weekend, wikileaks released nearly 20,000 e-mails sent and received by members of democratic national committee. cameras captured stone on august 8th, telling an audience in southern florida about his connection with assange. >> i have communicated with assange. i believe the next pertain to the clinton foundation. but there's no telling what the october surprise maybe. a few weeks after that.
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one of stoeps tweets seamed to indicate clinton campaign chair could be next. and then on october 7th, the day of the infamous "access hollywood" tape. >> a massive document dump from wikileaks of what appears to be hacked e-mails from clinton's campaign, john podesta's g-mail account. >> those around trump gave stone credit for the well timed e-mail dump. >> according to his indictment, he received a message from the campaign official saying well-done. >> since 2016, roger stone denied speaking directly with julian assange. >> there is no suggestion or any court documents that roger stone was directly in touch with assange.
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>> stone may have had direct dealings with julian assange. he may have used others. that's not mutually exclusive. the central question whether the russians conspire with trump or with his campaign or officials on that campaign interfere in our election. >> stone has joined the growing list of trump's associates. whose communications could make them an interest of the mueller investigation. george papadopoulos, a foreign policy of the campaign convicted o f lying to the fbi. he met with russian intelligence officers who told him the russians had hillary clinton's missing e-mails. >> we don't know who in the trump campaign he informed, he claimed he did not remember who he shared with. he once told me robert mueller knows. he haez has the records.
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>> the clues came out in a recent filings by paul manafort's attorney. >> manafort shared polling data through kilimnik who has worked for russian intelligence and they passed that polling data off during the campaign. some people say this is the lynch pin of collusion. >> this is the best example that we have seen, why would a russia need internal polling data if not to help to manipulate the election. other people say it could be nothing. >> the larger question may be how so many people in one campaign ended up communicating with russia. >> again and again and again at what happens in this particular investigation are ties to russia. is that an accident? i don't think so. >> coming up, the president fights robert mueller at every turn. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no...
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fake news of the russian witch hunt. >> since taking off in 2017, president trump has publicly attacked the russia investigation, led by special counsel robert mueller more than a thousand times. the president is taking all kinds of steps to undermine the fbi and law enforcement. >> he disparages fact findings and disparages anyone who says anything he does not like. he calls them liars. >> what's happening is a disgrace and at some point i want to stay out but at some point if it does not straighten out properly, i want them to do their job, i will get involved and i will get in there if i have to. >> he argued that the fbi is looking at him when they should be looking at hillary clinton and he can whip up his
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supporters at his rally when he talks about the investigation and paints himself as someone being victimized by this. >> president trump's argument is that mueller and his team are out to get him for purely political reasons. >> i call him the angry democrat. they are angry people. it is an unfair thing for this country. >> he began right at the beginning attacking investigations on the ground that mueller surrounded himself with democrats and without knowing the fact that there were republicans. that mueller hired. robert mueller is a registered republican. >> robert mueller remained tight lipped. >> working for mueller, someone who do not tolerate and would never authorize any type of leak to the media. he had such a reputation in that regard. >> it is not only law enforcement targeted in trump's attacks. the president trump tried to discredit witnesses, even those
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in his inner circle including his former personal attorney. michael cohen. >> he tries to intimidate, he calls michael cohen a rat and a snitch. who talks like that? >> at first when the fbi searched michael cohen's home, hotel and office in april of 2018, the president defended cohen. >> i just heard that they broke into the office of michael cohen's, one of my personal attorneys, good man. it is a disgraceful situation and it is a total witch hunt. i have been saying it for a long time. august 21st, 2018, a consequential date for the president within hours for paul manafort's conviction in federal court. cohen pleaded guilty in connection with hush money payment made during the campaign to two women who claimed affairs
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with donald trump. president trump denied he had an affair with stormy daniels and when it came to the alleged affair with playboy model karen mcdougal, the white house called it fake news. then in late november, another tough day for the president, president. michael cohen agreed to cooperate with the russia probe, drawing the president'si ire. >> he's a weak person, and what he's trying do is get a reduced sentence. >> one of the president's patterns has been to criticize people who have been cooperating with mueller or testifying, calling them liars, calling them weak, saying they wanted to cut deals just to save their own skins, and then you have these self-inflicted wounds that the fbi brought upon itself. >> republicans grilling rosenstein over text messages between officials on mueller's
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team. >> one of those officials was peter struck, he helped lead the investigation in 2016 into hillary clinton's e-mails. before being assigned to the russia probe along with lisa page the following year. >> they were texting one another many times a day on fbi devices. some of these texts were very critical of donald trump and erupted into enormous scandal. >> we got their text messages, and what they said in those text messages was shocking. >> this was catnip for trump. here were partisan democrats attacking the i told you all along this was a witch hunt. >> the media is also a frequent target of president trump's attacks. >> because they are are the fake, fake disgusting news. >> it's right out of putin's play book how he handles the media. that's what trump is doing, trying to make it appear everything they print is just fake and it's not the real news. >> i think most hard core trump supporters have accepted his
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it's been one of the most analyzed, scrutinized and criticized investigations in modern political history. >> washington is now in eager anticipation mode for the completion of special counsel robert mueller's report. >> it's expected that the report will soon be in the hands of attorney general william barr. any potential history altering contents are a mystery. so when the attorney general gets it, then what? >> he's going to review it and make sure that there's not
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sensitive information, grand jury material, maybe sources and methods that are classified. >> there may be a plausible claim of executive privilege with respect to some of that material. >> sometimes criminal investigations can hurt, you know, the privacy interests of individuals. and the example that we were dealing with in realtime back in 199 was lewinsky allegations that were dumped on congress. so for that reason we did give the attorney general some discretion over what to give to congress. >> the regulations don't make clear exactly how the attorney general if at all will summarize the mueller report. he could have a news conference and talk about it. he could write his own report. >> we have to see was there enough evidence to convict or wasn't there. you can't just say there wasn't enough evidence. that's not going to fly. >> i would like to think that barr is going to act in the public interest and release as
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much information as congress needs to make the decision that it's going to have before it. >> but even if the entire report is released the public unedited the contents may not reveal all that much. >> it's going to be varspare if mueller stick tuesday the rules, and if there's one thing mueller tends to do is stick to the rules. >> if he sticks to the letter of the regs there's going to be a lot of unhappy people. >> one possible reason for the brevity is that robert mueller could be giving a road map to future investigations that don't have the limited scope he's been working under, and handing them documented evidence of possible criminal behavior. >> the states of local district attorneys, congress and u.s. attorneys offices all may be picking up on different investigative leads. >> the house judiciary committee chairman nadler sent out letters to 81 individuals really sort of
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expanding that aperture on the investigation and looking into these things such as donald trump's other business dealings. >> the house, they're interested in whether donald trump has any financial considerations weighing on him from foreign government that could be influencing his behavior. they're not just confining themselves to the 2016 election anymore. they're going broader. >> it makes it much more difficult to shut it down, particularly the southern district of new york. >> when we talk about the southern district of new york, they are still looking at information on the trump organization, the trump charity and the revokable trust and other matters. that would send chills down my spine. >> another avenue of interest, does the president's recollection of events align with other witness accounts? >> trump didn't want to give an interview to robert mueller. he didn't. but he did give written answers, and it's curious why robert
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mueller would accept those answers. >> whoever and whatever comes out of the report expect a white house rebuttal. >> the white house has said they've prepared a counter report, and what they mean by that is all the ways in which they can attack the mueller investigation, the alleged conflicts of interests, the texts between that fbi aegent, peter struck and the other fbi agent they were having an affair with. they want to summarize all that and argue that this investigation was illegitimate, and that plays right to their base. donald trump has done a great job creating an atmosphere. >> arguably the most significant investigation in the country's history has indicted 34 individuals. there have been convictions of high level trump associates and
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satellite investigations continue. >> so he's really told a story through these many indictments and court filings that have developed over two years that serves as kind of a de facto mueller report even before we see the actual document. how do you feel that so many people think that steven avery is innocent? >> it's emotional. they made him look like he was a nice person. what's happening is wrong. the evidence is beyond overwhelming. steven avery is guilty. >> i'm innocent. >> the story gripped the nation, in the series, "making a murderer." >> so many americans have heard about it. >> it's being heard around the

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