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storm? beto's big bucks. the texas democrat raking in the dough as a presidential candidate, with a record first day fundraising total. the backlash has already started after what "politico" describes as a rocky rollout for his campaign, including vague answers when asked about policy. and where's rudy? one of the president's biggest supporters is keeping an unusually low profile. why rudy giuliani's voice may be absent from the conversation, as robert mueller gets closer to releasing his final report. let's begin with those presidential priorities. an extraordinary weekend trump twitter tirade continuing into this morning. now at 54 tweets and counting just since saturday morning. president trump with a written record of what's on his mind right now and what apparently isn't. he tweeted 50 times this weekend alone, 30 original tweets, 20 re-tweets, bashing mueller and the russia investigation 14
times. also, general motors, google, the united auto workers, hillary clinton, and now, today, calling joe biden another low iq individual, and slamming the fake news media. as the world mourned the 50 victims of friday's masksacre a who mosques in new zealand, president trump had familiar foes online. he lashed out against joe biden with claims that were untrue, and at "saturday night live," which was a rerun. he made a rare visit to church sunday but missed a chance to call for unity when the world was watching the tragedy in new zealand unfold. geoff bennett sat tis at the wh house. what are you hearing from the president today, and what are we hearing about what can only be described as a run-on, stream of consciousness thoughts from the president all weekend long? >> reporter: you're right. president trump is lashing out at a long list of targets on
twitter. it is a stunning display of personal grievance at a time when the rest of the world is trying to come to grips with what is a true outrage, the unspeakable, horrific violence committed against muslims in new zealand. on that point, the president has a tweet for that, too. the president earlier this morning said this, the fake news media is working overtime to blame me for the horrible attack in new zealand. they'll have to work very hard to prove that one. so ridiculous. to be clear, most of the critiques of the president's rhetoric don't directly blame him for the attack. rather, they question whether or not the president has a responsibility as the leader of the free world to more cecondem. >> you see the president stand up for individual liberties. the president is not a white supremacist. i'm not sure how many times we have to say that. >> reporter: mulvaney's comments don't explain why president
trump has had the chance to vehemently condemn white nationalist and supremacist time after time and has chosen not to do so, chris, including in the 50 or so tweets he's been sending since this weekend. >> all right. thank you so much. i appreciate that. ijonathan, the white house reporter and we have the former john mccain adviser. jonathan, opinion writer and mississippi nrk bk contribu msnbc contributor. in the past, when president trump goes on a tweet storm, people can point to him feeling under pressure, lashing out because he feels backed into a corner. what do you see as behind what has gone on over the last two and a half days or so? he was all over the map. >> he was. he had a -- not a very restful weekend, clearly, though he didn't leave the white house much, beyond the church service yesterday morning. a few things are at play here.
first of all, he is aware, like we all are, and he is waiting for the mueller report, like we all are. >> tick-tock, tick-tock. >> people close to him says no one has an exact timeline when it is coming. could be soon, matter of days or weeks. it is on his mind, as well as his attorney, rudy giuliani, who has been not visible the last couple days. number two, yes, what we saw on friday, the terrible massacre in new zealand, where he has received some condemnation here for not being out there more forthright in denouncing white suprema supremacy, white nationalism, in the attacks. he says it is unfair. no one is suggesting he is to blame for the attacks, but he's had moments where he has given the opportunity to say things and he has not. it is accurate, he is mentioned in the shooter's manifesto in a somewhat positive manner. he was on the shooter's mind. that's there, too. we have this steady drum beat of the house democrats and these
investigations that are coming. the document requests, the subpoenas that are expected. michael cohen is in the news again. it's sort of a confluence of things. you know, he also has been frustrated, someone told me, where he feels fox news, which has been a safe refuge for him, and he received criticism over the weekend from some of the anchors there. he feels it is coming from all corners at this time. therefore, he needs the release. he needs to let that steam out, and he often does that on twitter, which is what we saw this weekend. >> one of the things we know about the president, we saw it this weekend, is he just doesn't let things go. case in point, obviously, doug, as your former boss, john mccain, he tweeted things that were untrue. he pushed meghan mccain to tweet back, no one will ever love you the way they loved my father. i wish i had been given more saturdays with him. maybe spend yours with your family instead of on twitter, obsessing over mine. i get that president trump
thinks mueller is a target that appeals to his base. hillary clinton, years later, a target that appears to his base. war hero and lifetime public servant who died six months ago? what do you think is going on here? >> well, i don't know. it's certainly laughable to think a tweet from even the president of the united states is going to change in any way the legacy that john mccain left behind as a warrior, as a hero, as a patriot. it really, i think, sharpens the lesson of his life, which is, there are things that are not about you. they're not about your party or about your country. they're about the things the united states stands for. that's how he lived his life. i think that's a great lesson at this moment. >> jonathan, i also want to get back to something that john said, which is, the president has had a number of chances now over the weekend, certainly going to and from church, to call out hate groups, to express empathy with the victims of friday's attack in new zealand. i just want to play what he said on friday.
>> do you see today white nationalism as a rising threat around the world? >> i don't really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. >> i mean, his own government statistics, the southern poverty law center, you know, everybody who does statistics on this shows the rise of hate groups and hate crimes. >> right. >> with today's tweet, he's going after critics who suggest his own statements have fueled hate groups and white nationalism and, of course, in the gunman's manifesto, trump is hailed as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose. he says -- and that was the tweet this morning -- that is ridiculous. he blames the fake media for this. join the conversation about that, jonathan. >> so when the president sent out that tweet about, you know, the fake news is making this up, the connection, i re-tweeted the president and used the language
from the terrorist murderer's manifesto. as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose, sure, referring to president trump. then as a policymaker and leader, dear god, no. what we're seeing with the president is, you know, the president is proving the terrorist/murderer right again. how does the leader of the free world go to church two days after a slaughter of innocents halfway around the world, and is mentioned in the killer's manifesto, and not make a definitive statement against white nationalism, white identity politipolitics, white supremacy, and disavow his role in any of that? we're not talking about a normal president. we're not talking about a normal presidency. we're talking about a man who seeded the moral authority of the oval office when he said there were fine people on both sides after the horror of charlottesville.
heather heyer lost her life to a neo-nazi who plowed his car into a group of counter-protesters who were protesting people coming into their community and doing things and saying things that go against the founding principles of this country. that's why i am not surprised that president trump did not take the opportunity to make things right and to say things that are healing. he didn't do it in charlottesville. i wasn't waiting for it in response to what happened in new zealand. >> john, you know, because you're the white house correspondent, i kind of ask you to get into the president's head, which i realize is not fair. >> tricky business. >> when i woke up sunday morning and saw he was going to church, i thought, okay. this is something that presidents would do. you would go to church. >> sure. >> the press pool would be with you. you'll address this. would have seemed, as jonathan just eluded to, the perfect time to address what was going on,
show empathy. any sense, first of all, why the president chose to go to church this weekend? he doesn't do it, i don't think, ever as president, outside of holidays, and why he didn't take the opportunity to say something about what had happened in new zealand? >> he rarely goes to service beyond perhaps christmas and easter. it was a surprise to the press pool. one of my colleagues was with him. we anticipated this could be a moment. >> maybe that's why he desided to do decided to do it. >> talk about the prayers he said for the victims. could have been a moment of national unity and some healing. a nice gesture. that's one we've seen him have a hard time making time and time again. of course, charlottesville is the best example, where he didn't immediately condemn what happened. the white supremacists who incited the violence, they lost a young demonstrator her life. he's struggled to show sympathy for national disasters, as well. in puerto rico, he passed out paper towels like they were
basketballs, then feuding with the government about the money washington was going to send to help with the rebuilding process. he's had struggles with the shooting in las vegas and others. i was with him when he went to california a few months ago for the wildfires there. conveying empathy is something he -- does not come naturally to him. in particular, this seems to be a blind spot, if you will, about white supremacy. he has time and time again, from the early days of the campaign, when he was slow to reject david duke's endorsement, to now, where he's not delivered the forthright, fulsome condemnation we expect our presidents, who are the moral leaders of our country, to do. >> he is defending pirro. anyway, you know, so i mean, george conway, kellyanne conway's husband, took to twitter to question the president's mental stability. kellyanne was asked about it on the north lawn this morning. here's what she said.
>> your husband has been 2003ing his concerns about the president's mental fitness for office. are those concerns you share so? >> i have four kids, so i didn't talk to the president about substance. i may not be up to speed on all of them. >> so if she's not up to speed, i will tell you, what her husband suggested, doug, is that donald trump has at least two diagnosable disorders. he tweeted the sections of the medical books that describe what goes into that. i wonder, even as we are, as we've said, mourning what happened in new zealand, or any time, is it helpful to go there, even if the president is going on twitter tirades and has you scratching your head? even as somebody who, for most of his life considered himself a conservative? >> look, i find this all quite
perplexable. i per pl i think what jonathan said is telling. he didn't expect the president to have any moral leadership in this tragic moment. that's a very sad statement about this presidency. this is the office in which americans have typically had someone they could look to for guidance, at times of great joy and great sadness, to set our national priorities. you know, when i look at what's going on now, people are looking elsewhere. that's, i think, a real comment on this administration, on this presidency. >> doug, jonathan, and jonathan, gentlemen, great to have all of you here. breaking news in the netters land netherlan netherlands. there was a shooting and there is a search for the shooter. beto o'rourke is meeting with voters. we have live pictures for you. there it is. we'll talk about his first day
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possible terror motive from the suspect and have not ruled out the possibility more people are involved. brian carter is in utrecht right now. what's the situation on the ground right now? what can you tell us? >> reporter: yes, good morning. i'm 500 feet away from the square where the shooting happened this morning at about 10:45 local time. as you said, three people have been killed, according to the city's mayor, and nine people have been injured. the city is very much on lockdown, as you can hear. there are police and ambulances going around. as you can see behind me, there is probably the only place in the city we could find people at moment. there is a heavy presence of journalists and policemen. in that street, there's been a lot of police and anti-terrorism units that have been going in with robots, as well. we think that, presumably, this is the place where the prime suspect, the 37-year-old, lives.
we don't have more information at this stage. the police is being cautious at the moment. they don't want to give away too much information. the investigation is ongoing. the prime minister of the netherlands cancelled his meetings today to concentrate on this investigation. we should be able to have more information in the next few hours. >> bryan, thank you so much for that. we'll be getting back to you as more information comes in. let me bring in our terrorism contributor, malcolm nance. days after what happened in new zealand, we have another terror attack. the mayor there says it may be related to a terror motive. let me just get your early thoughts on this. >> well, this may be just the first of a series of attacks that we might see by individuals who may be aligned to some extremist groups or just through self-motivation to carry out what they would consider revenge for the murder of 50 people in new zealand. it almost should have been predicted by european law enforcement that an incident like this would happen.
the individual, and i know nbc hasn't confirmed it, but from what we're seeing and reporting, the individual was a known member of an extremist league, and he was a former fighter who had fought in chechnya and tried to go to the islamic state. you can't arrest everybody, and you can't keep everyone under surveillance. he acted, apparently as far as we know, on his own, and with a handgun, it is almost preventable unless you actually catch him with the firearm en route to an operation. >> meantime, in new zealand, the death toll has gone up to 50. since we're talking about gunmen, the family of the suspect said over the weekend they were stunned by this. apparently, at least by the report of one family member, his dad died, he went to europe at a time of rising islamic extremism. they say he changed a little bitment bi bit. there's another report that a former police officer who went
to the gun club where the suspect belonged said he had reported that he had serious concerns about members and their mental stability. so talk about the tools of radicalization, particularly that could infiltrate a country like new zealand, that had fewer murders in an entire year than it did in this one incident. >> you're absolutely right. radicalization is not just a component of terrorism that is restricted to one group. right now, the united states government literally took all other forms of terrorism and radicalization off the agenda, except islamic fundamentalist terrorism and radicalization. there is a growing movement around the world that we have seen with right-wing extremists who believe they are in a clash of civilizations with islam. we saw that in norway. we've seen it in incidents in italy and germany, where gunmen
have taken it into their own hands. there is a white supremacist international, where they communicate with each other on internet platforms like gab and other places like h-chan. they pass their ideology around. they view themselves as these crusading knights who are taking action into their own hand. if a person sees another individual who espouses these radical ideologies, yes, they have a right to freedom of speech, but you have to be aware that like islamic extremists who spout violent rhetoric, the rhetoric could progress into an incident, and perhaps should be reported to law enforcement. >> we've only got a minute left. one thing that the prime minister said in addition to there's going to be a fight in that country over toughening the gun laws, she wants a sit down. she wants to look at facebook officials face-to-face and know how this got live streamed. facebook put out a statement
saying in the first 24 hours they took down 1.5 million videos of the attack globally, of which more than 1.2 million were blocked at upload. but they missed the live stream. are we asking too much of these tech companies, or are they doing too little, malcolm? >> it is a little hard to catch every live stream of an incident. you know, i almost watched that attack in real time. i guess somebody had passed on to me the live stream link within minutes o ft s of the at occurring, in the middle of the night in the united states. i was horrified this was still up. i spent most of the night asking people to take it down. there needs to be a kill switch in the technology where all uploads are paused until their analysts can figure out whether they are propagating, you know, a massive propaganda mission for these terrorists. >> malcolm nance, always good to
see you. thank you so much. >> thanks, carol. meantime, here at home, at least three people are dead and hundreds more were forced from their homes after heavy rain and melting snow caused historic flooding in nebraska. a 50-year-old was swept away while helping someone else escape floodwaters on thursday. the missouri river reached 30 feet in southwestern iowa, topping levies in several towns. back in nebraska, emergency officials say they a are monitoring 17 flood locations and expect the river to have record crests through tomorrow. right now, we're watching live pictures in detroit. that is beto o'rourke speaking to a crowd there. he blew past his 2020 rivals, raking in millions in campaign donations on day one. what's behind beto fever, and can he keep it up? >> 50th in the country before 2018 in voter turnout. not because we love our democracy any less than anyone else in any other part of the
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eye-popping new fundraising numbers that were just released by his campaign. he pulled in more cash than any of his primary rivals, just passing bernie sanders' $5.9 million with $6.1 million in the first 24 hours in the race. o'rourke, of course, just one of the candidates hitting the campaign trail today. he'll be stumping in michigan and ohio. senator kiersten gillibrand, who just jumped into the race officially yesterday, is also in the michigan. with me now is our msnbc road warriors. jarrett garrett haake and ali batali. >> reporter: we're in a pause at the moment. unfortunately, someone in the crowds appears to have passed out. this happens occasionally at political rallies. folks standing up for a long time in crowded rooms. this is o'rourke's third stop of the day. it's been the surrounding counties here, mccomb, one of
the swingiest in the country. we are actually in detroit. he's been getting a warm welcome. a lot are excited to see this person. they're very excited to figure out exactly what he is all about. they're, you know, excited abiliabout this top line number, the fundraising number, $6.1 million. a large amount for a candidate to raise in 24 hours. work is introducing himself to a part of country where they don't know much about him and a part of the country he needs to do well. his candidacy is based on being someone who can take a progressive message to parts of the country where it didn't do as well in 2016. that's what we're starting to see today in the midst of this, again -- this here is someone in the crowd getting medical attention. >> let's hope they're okay. we've seen this before, and those can be long. you're on your feet a long time. give us a nutshell of what his message was today.
>> reporter: chris, he is running on sort of a message of bipartisanship, a message of unity. his argument here is it is not just about winning this race, it is about working with the other side, on the other side. we're getting a round of applause for the woman who was having a rough time a few minutes ago. looks like she's okay, and the messaging will continue here. o'rourke has been trying to tell folks, when he was in the congress, he was in the minority party. he's had to work with republicans in his whole career. oh, by the way, as a democrat, even in the race he lost in texas, he had coat tails that helped get democrats elected to congress, helped get folks elected to judgeships in the city of houston. he's trying to apply lessons he learned in texas akroscross thet of the country. we're watching, frankly, in real time, as someone who only ever campaigned in his home state, is learning the rest of the country. trying to answer more specific questions about the flint water crisis, things he's not had to deal with before. we're watching this campaign
come to life in real time. >> as we watch him, you know, he's become an early sort of star on the political campaign trail. the numbers tell one story, $6.1 million, impressive take. give us your deep dive about his numbers versus other people's numbers and what we do and do not know about the people who gave to him. >> reporter: yeah, first of all, we'll start with what we don't know, chris. that is, we don't know how many donors donated to his campaign, to show the overall small dollar donation. it's very likely that there are a lot of small donors. that fueled his juggernaut in the senate race, where he raised $80 million against ted cruz. we're going to have to wait and see, until we have the reports, that we're not getting until april 15th. on this money story, we have a long ways to go. just to put the amount of money that beto o'rourke raised in that first day, along with bernie sanders, about $5 million each, into perspective, both
barack obama and hillary clinton raised $26 million in their first full fundraising quarter, three months. in one day, bernie sanders and beto o'rourke end up getting about 1/4 of a three-month haul that obama and clinton got in 2008. it is a staggering amount of money, showing how much enthusiasm there is on the democratic side, carrying over from the midterms. >> meantime, gillibrand made it official in a new video. put it out two months after she launched the exploratory committee. ali va vi tali, what's going on there? >> over the course of two stops, it became really clear that her strategy, at least in the exploratory phase, we'll see if it changes as an official candidate, but in the exploratory, it was to do smaller, retail politics events. i said this a few times but that's where her campaign feels she's ask strothe strongest in
connecting. nationally, a lot of people don't know who she is. unlike some of the higher caliber or higher reputation candidates that are in this field. she's really introducing herself to voters for the first time. i sort of asked her, what's the point of campaigning this way, when you see others doing bigger rallies. here's what we had to say to me over the weekend. >> i'm running for president because i want to serve the whole country. i truly want to serve others. when i hear directly from a community, no matter where in the country it is, about challenges, what's working and what's not, that'll inform my leadership. it informs the policies i'm going to fight for. it informs how i'm going to get something done. listening is the most important thing. you're not supposed to be in these towers of power where you listen to no one except for the fancy lobbyists and the wealthy who get access to you. >> now, i will say that voters aren't necessarily bringing her name up to me organically, but in talking to them after the roundtables, they do think she is someone who they could throw their support behind. it is really early.
every voter i talked to said they're surveying the field of candidates at this point. everyone asks the question of how do you stand out? i think one of the things that gillibrand is doing is next weekend, and this was announced in her official launch video yesterday, but next weekend, she's doing her first major speech at trump international in new york city. it is going to look different than the other launch events we've seen. it is really her. she talked about being brave in her rollout video. this is her, i think, taking the fight to obviously the person all democrats think they're going to be taking on november 2020. that's going to look a little different. could help her stand out in this initial phase of the race. >> mark murray, if we look back on the republican field four years ago, which was, you know, as large as the democratic field is now, the undoubted front runner in terms of money in the bank, name recognition was jeb bush. we all know what happened to that. as you look at fundraising numbers and the polls, in the early months, what do you look
for, mark? >> you want to look for a combination. yourself exa you're exactly right. fundraising, early polls, endorsements, they don't get you the nomination. what it does is it gets you a first opportunity and a look, a way to ensure you're on the debate stage, ensure that you have people who are covering you, ensure that you have seen the viability. then it is up to the voters. chris, we still have more than 300 days before the iowa cauc caucuses. >> what? >> we have a long ways to go. what you want to do is at least stand out from a pack that might end up being close to 20 candidates on the democratic side by the time we get to the first debate. >> should we make a bet right now that every single democrat will make their way to wisconsin this year? >> maybe just for the cheese. >> you know, it's not a bad reason. although, i'm just going to say, they held the national cheese championship in wisconsin a few weeks ago. you know who won? >> no. >> an ohio cheesema maker. just saying, as a buckeye myself. thank you very much.
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announcement, that he's jumping into the 2020 race. the president tweeted, joe biden got tongue tied over the weekend when he was unable to properly deliver a very seem pl liimple t his decision to run for president. get used to it. another low iq individual. it follows this by the former vice president in delaware over the weekend. >> i have the most progressive record for anyone running for the united states. anybody who would run. i didn't mean it. >> and the sign of the cross from joe biden. to talk about all this and all things 2020, former republican congressman from florida, now an independent and msnbc political contributor. steve israel is former democratic congressman from new york, director of cornell university's politics and global affairs. look, joe biden has had gaffes
over the years. he is also very candid. are we getting a preview of what we expect from this president here? >> from the presidential candidate or donald trump? >> president of the united states going after joe biden. >> sure. >> you can't make a little slip without it becoming you're a low iq individual. >> that's right. donald trump insults people who threaten him. joe biden, should he declare to run, and i think it is obvious to everybody, joe biden will be a presidential candidate, joe biden is a real threat to donald trump if he can survive a democratic primary, which will likely be rocky and tumultuous. i think the democratic party will define who they are and where they want to go through this nominating process. as we sit a year out, maybe the tier one candidates would be biden, beto, harris, bernie, maybe. who is going to emerge? will we see a transformation of the democratic party in 2020, like we saw of the republican party four years ago? i think we all will wait to see.
maybe steve could share insight on that. >> i do think there are things in his past that will come up for sure, steve. there is an article in "politico" that joe biden might have trouble with his self-proclaimed, you know, middle-class joe moniker. he's made a lot of money since he left the white house. $250,000 for a speech this mult. biden is unique among the top hopefuls because of his avoided distance from the upper class, they said. it is central to his political identity. if he runs, his wealth could give his opponents an opening to attack him as disingenuous, or less than advertised. how does he navigate that, steve? you know it is going to be out there. >> look, chris, you know, i don't think democrats can win the presidency running against success. we all want to be successful. the issue is, does everybody have a fair shot? whether it is joe biden or any of the other now 16 candidates running for president, the path to winning a general election is
innuns ua enunciating policies to the american people that resonate with the middle class. you have to talk about rebuilding the middle class that feels it is under assault. you have to be talking about tax policies not to the rich but expand the middle class. education, environment, infrastructure, traffic, all oez thi of those things. >> i know you say it is not about, but they used it against hillary clinton. i think that you had somebody in donald trump who was unique. but there's going to be questions about the money he's raised, how he's raised it, who he's gotten it from. i mean, you don't disagree with that, do you? >> those questions are valid of anybody running for any office in america right now. certainly, i think they're more pertinent to the current president of the united states and his own economics. the point that i think is important is that for democrats, and i don't say this having endorsed any candidate, but for democrats, what they have to do is not talk about the value of their wealth but the values that
they have. if they can resonate with middle class voters in swing states that donald trump won, they're going to win the general election. doesn't matter how much they make. it is about, are they going to fight for voters? >> the voters feel that's going to happen. meantime, you've got in the aftermath of the year of the women, more women candidates than we've ever had before. yet, take a listen to what was said over the weekend. >> no matter what, i'm looking you in the eye and saying this, there will be a woman on the ticket. i don't know if it is in the vice president's position or the president's position. but if i have my way, there will be a woman on the ticket. >> it would be very difficult not to select a woman with so many extraordinary women who are running right now. but first, i would have to win. >> i don't think there should be one litmus best, but i do think our ticket should reflect the country. i always like to say, may the
best woman win. >> look, david, if you were a political consultant, would you say to the guys, don't be talking about women in the number two slot when so many of them are still running for the number one slot? >> look, i think this is going to be a struggle, if you will. first of all, this is an exciting race. the diversity in this race is important. i think we're going to shatter some barriers, be it with a female candidate, perhaps lgbt candidate in mayor buttigieg out of indiana, and that is important. kamala harris was almost pitch perfect in how she expressed that. i think we're also wrestling over this notion of identity politi politics. choosing just because of that identity at times devalues the message and qualifications of an individual. to steve's point and your last question on money, when howard schultz declared, and people saw him as a spoiler, he was hit for simply being a billionaire. when i don't think we're asking the question, how does somebody make their money? donald trump was born on third
base and arguably stole second. or someone who makes their money arguably. perhaps a joe biden, perhaps a howard schultz. all of these wrestle with the identity politics. is it a woman? is it somebody of means? somebody out of means? is it an lgbt candidate. this is a good conversation to have nationally, provided our leaders can have it responsibly. >> gentlemen, david and steve, thank you so both of you. much appreciated. tonight, kris machris matthews join cory booker on the road in iowa. that's "hardball." at 8:00 eastern, chris hayes hosts a town hall with senator kiersten gillibrand. that's all on msnbc. where's rudy? one of the president's most trusted allies is off the airwaves as mueller gets closer to releasing his report. is this a sign of a new strategy from the white house? tegy from the wtehi house how are yor first ncaa tournament? it's just lovely. i'm here to let all these folks know how easy it is
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made a major tv appearance since late january after president trump, quote, privately griped about some of giuliani's appearances, but he told nbc news last night, giuliani did, that he hasn't appeared on tv because, quote, we decided everything has been said. so with the mueller report expected maybe any day now, will rudy be back or is trump's team trying a new approach? i am joined now by former federal prosecutor and georgetown law professor paul butler who is also an nbc legal analyst. paul, you've been on these programs on msnbc sometimes after giuliani had things to say pointing out how they put the president in even further legal jeopardy. so do you buy the idea and representing trump is that sometimes he tells the truth, and says something that's different from the false narrative that president trump puts out and so his last major appearance on tv, giuliani
slipped up and said that the moscow tower, trump tower meetings had gone on until the election which seems to be right but same thing with the payments next year and that's different from what trump was saying at the time and especially with the imminence of the mueller report that the trump team are what giuliani did chill out for a while. >> the president has been talking, obviously, about the mueller report. first, he said, of course, there should be no mueller report, and then after many of the republicans sided with democrats, he tweeted, on a recent non-binding vote, 420-0 in congress about releasing the mueller report, i told leadership to let all republicans vote for transparency. makes us all look good and it doesn't matter. play along with the game. a game?
>> it's the game that the attorney general rather than the president gets to decide so william barred his confirmation hearings weren't reassuring to people who think that the report should be made public. the way it works is that mueller will do a confidential report to the attorney general. the attorney general will then make some summary of that report available to congress, and it could be a whole lot, everything that's in the report or it could be a cursory couple of lines. there was no evidence of criminality found. we expected to be somewhere in the middle, but if it's -- if it comes down to a battle between congress and the president about who gets the report and whether it's entitled to be made public, that's an issue of first impression and i'm not sure how the supreme court would rule on that issue. >> because jerry nadler who is the head of the house judiciary committee has said he's threatened to issue a subpoena if bar decides not to release it to congress. >> the justice department is trying to have it both ways here. on the one hand, they say a
sitting president can't be prosecuted because the constitutional remedy is impeachment. on the other hand, the department of justice seems to be making a move to try to prevent the mueller report from being public which would deny both people the information they need in order to make the decision about impeachment. >> one of the things that the president has been extremely consistent about is calling the mueller investigation witch hunt, witch hunt, witch hunt. tweets about it, he talks about it. look at this poll that's come out from usa today in suffolk university, 54% of voters believe the mueller investigation is a witch hunt. is the president succeeding? >> you have to give giuliani some props. again, that's been his strategy, his idea and the sense that the president can be indicted in a criminal court according to justice department regulations and not the constitution. giuliani has understood that the real jury is with congress, with the american people, so he keeps
saying partisan investigations and witch hunt, witch hunt, witch hunt. if it's a witch hunt, we know it's the most successful wriitc hunt in history. it's resulted in over 30 prosecutions and with trump's base and with the republicans in the senate who would have the power over whether to remove the president from office the witch hunt strategy seems to be working. >> and they've turned it into a question of whether or not collusion can be proved as opposed to the other things that people have been prosecuted for or found guilty to. paul butler, it's good to have you in studio. appreciate you coming in and we'll be right back. iate you cod we'll be right back. ♪ when irish eyes are smiling
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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm chris jansing. "andrea mitchell reports" starts now. hi, andrea. >> hello. thanks so much, chris jansing. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," off to the races. beto o'rourke raises money as a candidate while joe biden almost makes it official. >> i have the most progressive of anybody running -- of anybody who would run. [ cheers and applause ] i didn't mean -- [ cheers and applause ] >> of anybody who would run. >> lashing out in a weekend-long twitter tirade, president trump once again insults the late senator john mccain seven months after the death of the american war hero.