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situation. >> well, continuing his feverish attacks in social media, the president escalated one of his more vicious lines of attacks. >> mr. president, why are you attacking senator john mccain? >> i'm very unhappy that he didn't repeal and replace obama care as you know. so i think that's disgraceful. i was never a fan of john mccain and i never will be. >> that's sitting next to the president of brazil, attacking the dead senator john mccain. and husband of course of one of his closest advisors. trump called kelly conway's husband a total loser. this after the president called him a narcissist, a pathological liar and unfrit office. trump told "the post."
it's just maddening to watch. tweeting is just a way to get it out of the way so i it get it off my chest and move on with my life that day. according to the "washington post" president trump toggled between a range of frust raises including the expected timing of the release of a report on russian interference in the 2016 presidential election by special koun kou counsel robert mueller. advisors warn the president that even his supporters don't like the tweet storms and advised him to start acting more presidential. michelle goldberg, columnist at the "new york times" and "new york times" white house correspondent. michelle, thank you for joining us today. why is the president going in this crazy world torquing up the nuts? >> because he's one of them.
i can't say whether there's strategy behind this or whether it's just an expression of the president's own sense of grievance and instability. what it shows once again is that this man should not be president and that every day the farce of a presidency is allowed to go on is a betrayal of the country by the republican party. why is he doing it right now? >> he's just going really weird up there. your thoughts. >> i think we just don't know. there was the story about in the "new york times" about deutsche bank, which shows that he's consistently inflated his assets and it's questionable whether he's a billionaire, which in itself always set him off. there's a damming book about his daughter that just came out today and presumably there's going to be more development in the mueller case this week. there's hints in filings that something else is coming.
first of all the american people should not have to wonder what it is that is unhinging their president. they're entitled to a level of stability and transparency. >> well, brazil looks very calm and sedated compaired to us these days. senator mitt romney tweeted i can't understand why the president would once with again despair nl a man as exemplary as my friend, john mccain, hero oic, curages, patriotic, honorable, self efacing and dedicated to duty, family, country and god. maybe he's going to play conscience, but he's certainly playing colleague. >> how many hours later is it? in the hours -- the immediate hours after the president's tweets, there's been deafening silence from republicans. i don't care whether they're in leadership or outside leadership. there's not been pushback on this president's attack on the
deceased, let alone the fact that the deceased is a war hero and someone that america admired quite honestly. what is setting donald trump off is a myriad of things all colliding at the same time. but at the core is the neediness that if anyone says anything or identifies someone else at the table, he's going to find someone to take away that energy and interesting. even today in the press conference with the president of the brazil, it's thank you, thank you. it's this complete acknowledgment of his presence and what he's thinking or doing. i think for him it's maddening but for the rest of us it's down right scary. >> what is this going on? part of it is, to answer my own question, it's like mirror,
mirror on the wall, is the fairest of them all? and somewhere throughout people respect john mb cane because he -- he didn't surrender. he was shot down right in that lake. i've been there. right in the capitol of the enemy. he was shot down and they brought him out of the water, broke a bunch of his arms and legs. he didn't give up. and the president eluded probably bogus bone spur, whatever they cooked up with that doctor. i would think he has a moral sense of guilt here. >> think this is a new high or low for him, i suppose. he goes on these beraunls. he did more this winter during the national emergency crisis. but what's different now is the degree to which he's willing to hit low in terms oof a dead senator and war hero to your point.
i talked to a few people close to the mccain family in light of this and thavl rr gone from visceral anger to why are you so obsessed with us? they're confused about why the president keeps bringing this up. it could be the funeral when all of establishment washington was giving john mccain the closest you can get to a state funeral and he was stuck in the white house going golfing. that was a personal slight to him. >> i don't know what you'd call it. >> he viewed john mccain as a political foe and john got the last word. >> and mccain is as big in death as he was in life. in the minds and eyes of a lot of americans still and i think he has not -- he can flash back to when mccain gave the thumbs down on health care and other things he considers to be slights, but he's internalized and personalized a lot of this
with john mccain. i never liked mccain and i never will. he's not happy in present tense with john mccain. he's still haunting him. he's still somewhere moving around the halls of the white house like a ghost. i am not happy with john mccain today, march 19th, 2019. he's been gone for nine months. >> when information is coming forward, if we see a tweet storm like this and basically nothing is happening, you can imagine how unstable he's going to be when we're at it full force. it's really sad, it's embarrassing and it's actually
painful, especially his comments in front of the brazilian president. because you know all of brazil will have heard this and look at my president and say oh, my gosh. >> military coups and all this stuff. am i sitting next to this? anyway,fer we all know that donald trump turned down mr. kelly aanne conway for a jh desperately wanted. he barely worked the justice department. potus doesn't even know him. he said he turned down a job offer at the department of justice. conway told yahoo news that he was not interested in the job. >> i'm watching this thing and
you know, it's like the administration is like. [ bleep] in a dumpster fire and i'm like i don't want to do that. i realize this guy is going to be a war with the justice department. >> this is a cast of characters here. what does he do? just taunting this married couple? this is sitcom stuff. not even sitcom. it's soap opera. >> george conway's tweets and comments probably hit close to home because george conway's in a position to know the true character of this president and his administration. what i wanted to add about why the president could be particularly obsessed with john mccain roit now. a lot of his grievance stems from mccain giving the field dossier to the fbi after the election. and just recently there was a big story proving at least one
of the allegations true and a lot have been substantiated as well. if he's really, really angry about the steel dossier or obsessed with it, what does that mean about what we might expect to learn in the coming weeks? >> by the way i can see where he's upset that mr. kellyanne as they call him. he called him a narcissist, and unfit for office. i guess that would be a cause for concern. >> it stands to reason the longer you poke the bear, you're inevitably going to provoke a a reaction. he been asked not to do things and that george conway did not rise to the level of it. but he was posting narcissistic personality disorder to it twitter and it was going viral.
i said what's up with with the ramping up with the tweets and you're talking reporters? and he said it prompt as bigger response from the president. it's like a telenovella who's on whose side? >> i think that's something we need pay attention to. >> yesterday kellyanne conway herself responded to a question about her husband's tweeting. >> kellyanne, your husband has been tweeting concerns for the president's fitness for office. >> no, i don't share those concerns. >> the dossier, right? and he's blaming mccain for that, saying he gave it to the press. he didn't give it to the press. he gave it to the fbi. >> there was segment on fox news where ken starr was talking about john mccain.
i think some of this is -- you can't really think too deep. he didn't go out golfing. he left for four hours to go to church over the weekend and he saw a segment on tv. it's of course a nagging worry of his that these investigations are swirling around but twitter is a pressure release valve. and to put too much into what he's thinking moment to moment >> we have a group that says it's not working anymore. this misbehavior, it's not working anymore. focus group of swing voters in wisconsin this past week and several obama voters who switched to trump said they're getting tired of his lies and the way he treats people. one trump voter says i don't think i'll vote for trump again. i don't think he'll make it.
pezants under glass. you know the knock on them. you never know if they're saying it for show. i'm spectacle mp >> they're the close to say getting your finger on the true pulse of things out there. not all things. >> you think trump's tweeting is turning off the base? >> not necessarily the base. his base is the 90% of republicans that identify with trump. but there are other americans too. it's not just that 90%. why we got to keep acting like the only thing voting are just trump people the rest of the world gets to vote too. independent voters are moving away. that's what's being reflected in the vote that you're beginning to see. >> i think it's important to note that his supporters have stuck with him through a lot
worse. >> i sure -- >> congressman, go ahead. what to you make of the fact of 40% of our polling still give job approval and all this other crazy tweeting. he's our guy. why? >> i happen to believe because it's the first time our president has had his own tv network. so you have a different reality. i wonder about polling in states that have been hit hard and hurt because of his policies towards china. where they have lost contracts. the chinese have moved to brazil. i think we need to pay attention to the areas that have been hurt by his policies. >> that's in the midwest too. he's given a subdied response to the mauve attack.
he talked about the threat posed by muslims, as he put it. immigration policy played any part in fuelling the deadly violence down under. a source tells the post "washington post" many of his calculations are based on who he often calls my people will see an issue. is he afraid to say anything good or bad about the shooter because it might offend his base? is it that bad? >> i don't know if he's afraid or -- trump is a liar. but in some ways he's sincere in that he has a hard time saying things he doesn't mean in the moment. it's the same reason he couldn't maintain the pretense that he objected to the white nationalest marchers in charlottesville. he doesn't feel it, right.
he doesn't feel any abhorns to white nationalism and he's incapable of expressing it. >> i know you're a democrat. i guess he calls himself a republican. but this inability to express -- for our country. he a representative of our country. inability to say that guy used my name in a manifesto and i don't want anything to do with that crumb. he's a killer and a bad human being. he's a mass murder. probably sick. he doesn't seem to have that gut sense of i have to get this guy separated from me. >> if you look back to the beginning of his campaign, he has never separated himself from white supremacists. david duke, he wouldn't even disavow that. he needs to make a speech to the nation and now unfortunately the world. he needs completely denounce
white supremacy, attack anyone that would associate him with it. but i think anyone that has been favorable to him no matter who they are or what they believe, he will never come out against them. he couldn't say the word muslim. he couldn't express any empathy to the people that had been killed. but he's consistent on this. >> a consistent narcissist. it all revolves around him. thank you for your lyrical essay tonight. and katy raujrs for your reporting for the "new york times" here at the bureau here. and why would anyone lend money to someone with a reputation as a dead beat? that would be donald trump. joins me with information on his overseas pigy bank. he never gives them money back but they keep giving it to him.
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institutions that will lend money to trump and that's deutsche bank. they have not done a diligent investigation of money laundering. and the "new york times" chronicles the strange relationship with deutsche bank, even though trump defaulted on his loans twice, they continued to it loan to him. a total of $2 billion to a man that all other banks had deemed untouchable. a former federal prosecutor. thank you so much, david. let me ask you. his piggy bank. nobody else would give it to him. why would they loan it to him? >> they wanted so badly to get a foot hold in the united states and make them selve as household name that they were willing to do business with a customer that
had well earned a reputation for stiffing his lenders. and donald trump was their way in. >> where do they get their capitol? do they have huge investors? are they oligarchs from russia? >> that's a good question. they're one biggest bans in the world. q ash qatar is a big investor. historically, for the past century really, russia has been one of the frontiers for the bank the long-time ceo was a huge champion of russia and helped in the formations of one of russia's largest state-owned banks. >> do they give their money
to -- do they go with deutsche because they want money laundered? >> i don't think it was that simple. it was in russia and it was a favorable place to do business. they got into trouble for helping rich russians whisk their money in rubls, out of the country, converting them into dollars. and this coincides with the period the bank is doing a lot of lending with donald trump. >> maybe he's diligent himself. but he said it's possible robert mueller hasn't looked down this direction. >> first of all bob mueller doesn't do red lines. so if he believes there was relevant information he needed to subpoena from deutsche bank, i can assure you he would have done that. and it's a little bit of
speculation now. one, he decided either he didn't need it or it wasn't within his mandate for some reason, that is to investigate contacts between the trump campaign and russians and anything that arises directly out of that. or the other reason might have been if he didn't do it, it was because he didn't get permission to do it. because we all know that any request he flmade for a subpoen or indictment had to go through rosenstein. rosenstein could very zel said i'm not giving you authority to subpoena records from deutsche bank. not saying that happened but if it did -- >> there's going to be a lot of unhappy people, freakin' mad if it comes out that mueller didn't do something because someone told him not to do it so we
don't get a good report. deutsche bank continued to do business with trump. for instance 2005, mr. trump told deutsche bank his networth was about 3 billion. but they concluded he's worth abo 780 something. at least one executive caused mr. trump should be avoided because he had worked with people in the construction industry close to organized crime, nonetheless, he agreed to loan him the money at that point. trump sued to avoid paying it back and yet deutsche bank continued to loan to trump, even though they determined he was undervaluing his assets. is it an open question. we don't understand why any bank would keep pouring millions into a client that never pays back? >> it is an open question.
logically it doesn't make a tremendous amount of success why he keeps throwing money that guy. i talked to dozens over the past several months. and they say at the time this did make sense. they got president trump's personal guarantee on hundreds of millions of dollars. they can seize his personal assets. they thought they were making prudent loans. the reality is some of these loans, as far as we know, donald trump has kept current on them. he might not be. but we don't have any evidence to suggest one way or the utter. it's not entirely clear to me the recent loans -- look, now they have an ally in the white house. >> and that's been the heart of this investigation. who owns donald trump?
putin? the oligarchs who spent billions to buy houses in the south of france or launder money for their own good and trump was playing money with his bank? >> when i read david's reporting, this looks like a check kiting scheme or you're using one credit card to pay the credit card on another credit card. he was inflating his assets in an obscene way and deutsche bank seemed to know about it and yet continued to extend loans. they noticed one of the loan officer's signature was forged. i've got to ask. is there anybody inside deutsche bank who is enabling this bank fraud by donald trump? >> you think robert mueller knows everything we're talking about right now? >> i have a feeling he does regardless of the reporting of maybe mueller hasn't done his
due diligence on trump 3's asse. i have a feeling he goes it all. the man's middle name is diligence. >> i asked a lot of people who did business with trump. he's a crook, a thief. he doesn't pay bills. you their all the time. it's how he keeps cash rich. he doesn't pay bills. it's an extraordinary charge against the guy and ypeople kee doing business with him. >> because people are greedy and institutions are greedy. and if they think they can continue to ring money out of donald trump, they'll ring -- >> thank you so much. up next what matters more to democrats, voting for their personal favorite in this upcoming race or for the one
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who is the best bet right now? safest bet? >> i think it's early now. i've watched a lot of your show. beto o'rourke is interesting i think. cory booker is interesting. kamala harris i think is interesting. >> it sounds like you want a candidate like in their 40s? >> i don't think about age. i actually think you're right. i think biden is too old o. >> someone that grabs you philosophically or beats trump? >> ideally both. electability is certainly a factor. >> voting for the candidate that grabs you, not so much feeding trump. they have to fit my views. >> in my opinion he's got be to replaced by someone who brings us back together. right anowe're a it totally is
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welcome back to "hardball." president trump is renewing his attacks on social media companies, accusing them of bias. in the rose garden today trump said platforms like twitter and facebook are actively colluding against those on the right. >> if they're a a certain group, there's discrimination. i see it absolutely on twitter
and facebook which can i have also and others i see. i will tell you there is can collusion with respect to that because something has to be going on and you see the level of, in many cases hatred they have for certain group of people that happen to be in power, that happen to have won the election. you say that's really unfair. >> it's not the first time the president has complained about alleged bias on social media platforms. >> you expressed concerns about social media companies unfairly censuring conservatives. >> i think it's a serious problem. >> you look at google, facebook, twitter and other social media giants and i've made it clear that we, as a country, cannot tolerate political censorship, blacklisting and rigged search results. we're also standing up to social
media censorship. that's the new thing. >> everything's rigged. everything's rigged against him and it's not just twitter and facebook. over this past weekend he went after saturday night live and all the light night talk shows. it's truly incredible that shows like "saturday night live," not funny, no talent can spend all of their time knocking the same purseen, me. then he launched this threat. should federal election commission or the fcc look into this? there must be collusion with the democrats and russia. and he's not alone. one of his closest allies, republican congressman, nunez is suing twitter and others for $50 million over a cow. you got to hear this one. it's coming up. it's coming up , this is your ho? -i know, it's not much, but it's home.
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inparody nunez cow and mom as well as a republican strategist. so what did they tweet that he believes is worth $250 million in damages? according to his complaint they include saying that nunes is a treasonous cow poke. it's pasture time to move, three o's to him to prison. they falsely claimed he would see an indictment by 2020 and that nunes is most likely to committed treason in high school. congressman co sponsored a bill called the frivolous lawsuits act. what a boom rang this is. i'm joined by barbara boxer of california and satyrical columnist for the "washington post." what do you make of this guy? i think harry truman said you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
he's been playing ball with trump in the back room for at least two years and now he's getting hurt feelings. your thoughts. >> i'm so sorry, devyn, you picked the wrong career. i'm sure he's written horrible things about ma. the fact of the matter is you certainly have some protections. but believe me the courts have ruled because you have a bully pull president truulpit and a p needs a grow a chin. this is absurd. these people who have said things against him probably pale compared to what people said about nunez's oponent who ran a great campaign. he's going to get challenged again and all of this is a little bit of a diversion. >> he got by but not by much. you do for a living what this
guy's suing over. >> i've worn my bovine bow tie in celebration and i am over the moon about this. it is high time somebody went after the cows in this country. cows kill 20 american as a year. their flachulence causes all kinds of problems with greenhouse gases. i don't know what nunes was thinking in names devyn nunes cow. the cow had about 130,000 twitter followers. so it has indeed had that boom rang effect partnership i suppose if he does want to make a case that there's victimhood of conservatives in social media, that may or may not be the case. but the poster child is not nunes, who is somewhat of a laughing stock.
>> this is the first off many, sean. we're going after twitter first because they spread this fake news the slanderous news. how is it that every day there's conservatives that are being banned? >> so the irony here is so rich, senator. he's talking to fox about political influence. i'm sorry -- >> and fox is like the president's own private channel and he talks to the people over there. i think they're his advisors and chief of staff. it's unreal. in all sincerity, there is a serious think behind all of this. the center piece is freedom of speech and by extension freedom of the press. you got to stand up and take it on the chin when you're an elected official. he can go after the honorable
john mccain, even after john died, he can say anything he wants. he can call people poke haunts. but he can't take a couple of tweets. he can give them but he doesn't want to get them and this is why the whole thing is outrages and devyn nunez needs a different career. people are going to respond. they just are. >> i think he needs his diapers changed. meanwhile -- that's pretty gross. president trump tweeted that he would be look into alleged bias at faib. he was responding to that his soels media manager were banned when some of his comments were reported as spam. it's a a policy that blocks users when identical repetitive
activity comes from the same account to make sure it's not coming from bot. he's talking about going after the fcc and he does rn't even kw the agency he wants to go to. they're pretty tough on trump but that's legal. and by the way the democrats don't write that materia material they're not that good. >> i do satire as well. the problem is president trump does 98% of the goofy things. and suppose they struggle to make fun of democrats, which wouldn't be terribly funny. you know who would be the most upset he's not getting the attention? donald trump. he'll complain about twitter and social media, even though he's the king of twitter. >> i watched colbert and he took the same material we worked on rather seriously, especially
with cory booker in aiowa. and for him it was comic material. go ahead. >> i was parodied on "saturday night live" when i was questioning condy rice about the war. and it was tough on both of us. but that's what you have to expect when you in the public eye. period, end of quote. it says you're relevant, by the way. don't panic, just do your work and seriously when you look at dictators all through history, the first thing they did is go after the justice system and at the same time go after freedom of the press. and i would hate to say it go after the artist and the writers. so even though it's outrages and ridiculous, to me underneath it all it's very serious.
the american people are not going to take this. they're go tool continue to say what they want, do what they want. there are laws throughout that protect people. we don't need to have devyn nunez with his frivolous lawsuit out there. go away, take a deep breath, calm down and do something else because as long as he's in the public eye, he's going to be parodied just like we all are. it's just the way it is. >> thank you, senator boxer. you're the cause of all this trouble. and new zealand commits itself to gun reform just days after a monster shooting. they're really doing their job in new zealand. doing their job in new zealand great news, liberty mutual customizes...
i want to say something about the horrible killings in new zealand. most importantly how the country is dealing with it politically. i was impressed by the prime minister then before the killings of last week and i'm more impressed about her now. we've seen how prime minister jacinda ardern is not going to fail her country. >> the terrorist attack on friday was the worst act of terrorism on our shores. it was in fact one of the worst
globally in recent times. it has exposed a range of weaknesses in new zealand's gun laws. within ten days we will have announced reforms which will, i believe, make our community safer. >> i expect we will see action, rapid action by american standard, on semiautomatic weapon, ak-47s and those bigging sm magazines that allowed that killer to end the lives of so many in christchurch. how incisive she is on moral leadership. she called the victims us. saying the killer is not part of us. she said those gunned down whose families came to new zealand for a better life from pakistan, india, bangladesh, indonesia, somalia and afghanistan were new zealanders, while the perpetrator who came from neighboring australia was not
new zealander. he may have chosen us. we utterly reject and condemn him. new zealand is a land duty bound by a prime minister who shares her country's heart with a head set on protecting her country. what a fresh change 800,000 miles away from our country of 400 million firearms and a nine-member supreme court that can't tell an ak-47 from an 18th century musket. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." >> so i just heard they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys. >> the michael cohen warrant is unsealed. >> i'm going to be the personal attorney to mr. trump. >> what we're learn about the early and intense surveillance of president trump's lawyer and the questions it raises about ongoinst