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high enough above land. but as that plume continues doing this continues to creep across texas and with the chemicals still burning tonight, can you not blame people for how they're feeling about this right now. now it's time for the last word with ali velshi filling in for lawrence. coming up tonight, kushner inc. the author of a new book on jared and ivanka, explains how a new york city high rise could be key to understanding jared kushner and president trump's relationship with dictators in the middle east. and as the president continues his attacks on the husband of a senior aid and continues his attacks on the late john mccain, the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york has given new details tonight to ari mel better about the time he almost records president trump in march of 2017 because of the president's erratic behavior. >> we actually considered, and
it sounds not as crazy as it did back then. now we know about michael cohen recording the president and omarosa recording the president. >> you considered recording the president if you called him back? >> yeah, i had a certain amount of mistrust. it would be my word against his if he decided to say something inappropriate. >> more on those stories later, president trump was confronted today with several new developments in the investigations into him, his campaign and his business. nbc news has confirmed that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein will stay at the justice department a little longer according to a senior department official. rosenstein had previously implied he would leave by mid-march, but no firm date was ever set. after consulting with the new attorney general, he'll now stay in his position a bit longer.
asked whether the delay means that robert mueller is still not ready to deliver his report to the department, the senior official declined to comment to nbc news. according to a new report from cnn. rosenstein apparently wants to stick around, so he can be the heat shield if there's fallout from the mueller report. this comes on the heels of adam schiff pledging to investigate whether the president or anyone around him is currently -- currently under the influence of a foreign government. schiff tells nbc news, it's very much an open question whether this is something the special counsel has looked at. schiff adds, if the president has been successful in chilling the doj from looking at his finances, the congress needs to do it. anyway in which the president or those around him might be compromised by a foreign hostile power is front and center.
today we're learning new details about the scope of robert mueller's investigation into michael cohen. hundreds of documents were unsealed today, giving us a rare look at the investigation's earliest phase. a judge ruled to keep details of on going investigations sealed. mostly because they were related to the on going investigation of the trump organization arguably the most intriguing, the bulk of a section titled the illegal campaign contribution scheme. out of the pages we can see, it reveals that robert mueller obtained a warrant to sur veil michael cohen in july of 2017. this date is important, because it's nine months before the fbi raided his home, his office and his hotel sweet.
investigators were able to search his e-mails going back to january 2016 inauguration month. they obtained warrants for his icloud account, his e-mail account. we learned that prosecutors were looking into potential crimes that michael cohen was never charged with, including acting as an unregistered foreign agent. joining us now, former assistant attorney for the southern district of new york, and executive editor of bloomberg opinion. he's reported on donald trump for decades. he was sued by donald trump and he won. you got the information about the stuff that was released related to michael cohen's arrest records. the warrant that led to the arrest.
what stands out to you? >> what stands out to me is the length of the search warrant, the amount of detail in the search warrant and the amount of evidence in the search warrant. so i have reviewed, written, reviewed hundreds of search warrants during my time as a prosecutor. they are sometimes very detailed. they sometimes rbt. i will tell you this is one of the most thorough detailed ones i have ever seen and that's saying a lot. it tells us really by the time they got these search warrants to go in and do the -- execute the search warrants on michael cohen's premises. they already had so much evidence about various crimes he had committed, including the campaign contribution scheme. the illegal campaign
contribution scheme. we know that, because that's 18 pages worth out of the affidavit. there's a lot of attachments and whatever, it's really 18 solid pages, just about that scheme. that tells me that at that point they probably could have written a complaint at that point. but they were looking for more evidence. probably against michael cohen. also for potential co-conspirators. that's what's so intriguing to me about this. >> but 18 redacted pages, what is it we don't know that michael cohen was involved in regarding a campaign scheme? >> well, exactly, that's what i'm saying, if it's 18 pages, it's not just about michael cohen. they have to establish why they think the evidence about this crime would be at these particular locations. one of the things you do you say here's what we have against this person. we think the evidence is at this premises, here's what we're
luking for, and it often pertains to other people involved in that scheme. so i think that you're right, there's a lot we don't know yet, we think we know everything, because we know michael cohen. there's a lot of evidence we have not yet seen as to this campaign finance scheme, and potentially other crimes that relate to it. >> kind of fascinating how much we don't know about michael cohen. >> nbc news spoke to a former obama doj official. it's much more important to know what donald trump is up to now than what he was up to when he became president martin letterman, a professor at the georgetown university law center and former assistant attorney general during the obama administration, it's more important to know his conduct as president than during the campaign.
>> there's a continum in trump's behavior that dates back to 2003, 2004 when he started financing golf courses overseas and projects in new york. and else are where that had questionable sources of funding. once you're in that world where you don't know the source of the funding for trump's projects. you put a bag of cash on his desk, he'll do a deal with you. it raises questions whether that created leverage 10 or 15 years ago. by the kremlin. >> you can't get money from a bank. >> if someone does you a financial favor, with the expectation that you'll return that favor in the future.
and lo and behold you become president, it creates the circumstances in which you have leverage over you, that's not confined only to donald trump, it exists in spades for jared kushner. >> let me ask you about that, mimi. is there a distinction in your mind between the things donald trump may have done potentially illegally, to get elected. including the payments to these two women who claim to have affairs with them. and what he did as president. investigations may be looking at both. >> it's hard to separate them into before and after. absolutely it matters whether at this moment trump is making decisions based on national interest or based on his own financial interest or personal security because of some kind of compromise. i don't think you can separate that from financial
endanglements that he may have before or during the campaign. that's how investigators approach things, you're going to look backwards to figure out what is going on now. you're going to look historically, follow the money backwards. >> i'm going to talk about his interview with the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york where you worked, mimi. i want to play you something he said about rod rosenstein sticking around to be the heat shield, let's listen. the deputy attorney general who has been overseeing a lot of this. he's planning to stick around for a while longer. to me, it indicates that we could be spending a long time waiting. >> what do you think that means? >> i worked with him and for him. in his two different incarnations.
look, i think he's looking at -- there's so many different signs here, makes this think this could be going on longer. the idea we heard andrew wiseman is leaving. we're all trying to look at what prosecutors would call circumstantial evidence and find out what's behind it. rosenstein is he staying a month or a year. i think the more interesting part about rosenstein staying is the idea he's staying to be, as you said, a heat shield is the report of his reasoning for staying. that makes you think that whenever we do get sort of the mueller report or final indictments or whatever's going to come, they're going to be something that is going to make donald trump's head explode. and that rosenstein should be the one sticking around to absorb some of that blow. >> i don't know why he'd do that, i have to tell you. this is a guy who's been thrown
under the busby everybody. if anything goes down with anything around me, i'm not sticking around to be the heat shield. >> rosenstein had contemplated tape recording the president. in my mind for good reason, because donald trump has weaponized lying, if you're a prosecutor how do you deal with that, in the environment that existed after that happened, rosenstein seemed like a crash test dummy. you wondered how much longer he can take a beating in the press. he seemed like he had a foot out the door at least. whitaker was in there at that time. whitaker has since left. to me, this suggests that you are coming down to the wire. that he's anticipating reports about to be filed and he needs to be there too insulate the team, and insulate mueller from what is probably going to be a mud fight between the justice department and congress. >> your sense of what a heat shield is in that position? >> look, rosenstein has taken a
lot of criticism. at the end of the day, he's a patriot, i think, and he's someone who believes in the integrity of the department of justice and the rule of law, and i think a heat shield probably means trying to protect that independence from what they may fear as further political encroachment in trying to interfere with whatever results are going to come out of the mueller investigation. >> thanks to both of you, i should in all honesty we have recorded this conversation. thank you for starting us off tonight. coming up in a revealing new interview with ari mel better, the u.s. district attorney for the southern district of new york explains his thoughts to record that conversation with donald trump. ari melber is next. and the arthur of a new book on jared kushner and ivanka trump. why the couple is more dangerous
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who reported secretly recording president trump. prik bararra considered taping the president after a series of unorthodoxed phone calls before and after he took office. in a new interview with ari mel better, he describes the mistrust and unease that he felt about those interactions with trump that led him to recording a phone conversation with the president in march of 2017. he decided against it. he never returned trump's call. two days wliter, trump fired him. rosenstein has denied his comments about taping the president were serious, barrarra maintains it would be a reasonable thing to consider. >> in that moment, we actually considered, and it sounds not as crazy as it did back then. now we know about michael cohen recording the president. and we considered and we have this competing -- >> you considered what? >> taping the president in our phone call.
>> if you had called him back? >> yeah, i wanted to make sure, because i had a certain amount of mistrust. if he decided to say something inappropriate. >> this season the in the book, this is pretty interesting. >> yeah, that's why this whole debate about whether rod rosenstein was joking when he said, i'll wire up against the president or not, sort of rung in my ear a little bit. i tend to believe he was not joking, there's been a certain kind of conduct that happens, and when you're used to someone -- seeing someone tell untruths about your own situation, i didn't want someone to say, you had some side conversations with the president of the united states. it's something we discussed and talked about. did not think it was appropriate. >> when rosenstein discussioned that in a meeting. that is the point you think prosecutors can legitimately discuss? >> i think as a general matter, so long as it doesn't violate a law in new york.
if you have a concern -- we all know, you want to protect your own integrity and you take contemporaneous notes, as virtually everyone who's dealt with the president does. or you make a recording. we talked about it for three or four minutes and said, that's crazy, i'm not going to record the president of the united states. >> did you check -- >> we thought it's not a proper thing to do. that was an impulse that we had, and ultimately decided the best thing to do is not to return the call until we know what it's about. i returns the call of the secretary. after consulting with jeff sessions, the chief of staff, you agree with me, do you not that it's odd and inappropriate for me to have a direct conversation with the president. >> did you get any guidance back from those people that it was valid? >> yeah. they said don't call the
president. until you know what it's about. his own appointed people realized this 1 not going to look good for the president. as now we know he has done in other occasions, by telling jim combing my to lay off of michael flynn. conversations he apparently had more recently if with the acting attorney general about getting my successor to unrecuse himself from the michael cohen case. these are the kinds of conversations that have happened since. that make me more comfortable with the decision i made not to return the call. >> it's kind of wild. joining me now, ari melber, the host of the beat, he interviewed bharara earlier on the show. what do you make of that. it's wild, it makes sense when he says it. and we have recordings of other people saying similar things.
it's highly unusual for united states attorneys to worry about taping their conversation with the president of the united states because he may misrepresent the conversation. >> it's significant because it shows a career prosecutor looking at the president as a potential subject trying to interfere with the probe. number two, as he told us in the interview, it's significant because it sheds new light on rod rosenstein's state of mind and whether that was something to discredit him as some critics have posited. or it's a view that many people behind the scenes dealing with this president held. you heard mr. bharara say he thinks rosenstein was dead serious. you can push back on that new york times story saying it was sarcastic was some type of cover. whatever happened, and they didn't ultimately decide to record it. they decided not to call him back. it is a reminder that donald trump has been obsessing over sdny, long before it was on the
news. long before this is something that news junkies. political junkies. >> what did donald trump do or no, that before he was picking cabinet officers, priit was walking through the lobby as you showed about he called him before the u.s. attorney firings and the comey firing. >> to our viewers that don't know what you're getting at. what would donald trump have known. what are the possibilities that would cause him to call priit bharara. >> whatever you had at the top of the show, whatever he thinks went down. other financial exposure he has, or whatever it was they got out of michael cohen's office that's still redacted. or whether he had some inkling of the 2016 payments. which he has not been charged for. michael cohen confessed to. only donald trump knows why he was fixated on sdny. and bharara also told me, barack obama put him in this post, he
served it for eight years, he said they never had a one on one. >> urn believable. i was going to ask you how unusual that is that he would do that. i want to play what andrew mccabe said in a 60 minutes interview, talking about recognizen stein wanting to record donald trump. let's listen to that together. >> the deputy attorney general offered to wear a wire into the white house. he said, i never get searched when i go into the white house. i could easily wear a recording device, they wouldn't know it was there. he was not joking, he was absolutely serious, and he brought it up in the next meeting we had. the reason you would have someone wear a concealed recording device would be to collect evidence. and in this case, what was the true nature of the president's motivation in calling for the firing of jim comey. >> and that's another part of this question, what's the
motivation for him wanting to talk to bharara, what was the most vague for him firing jim comey. the president's actions as it relates to lawyers in the justice department raise more questions than they answer. >> there's two communities in the united states that still know more than most average americans about what happened during trump's presidential campaign and thereafter, the intelligence community and the law enforcement community. and both of those communities had ample reason to be alarmed by information that they were gathering, the full scope of which we still don't know. >> and all of these people were doing what they entered these jobs to do. which is to enforce the law and protect the national security of the united states. it is good practice in a situation like that to gather evidence that can't be disputed, tape recordings go to that directly. i had two years of exposure to trump. people who worked for donald
trump michael cohen and omarosa, taped him because they suspected he was taping them. >> as you say, you did it for your reasons. we're being told prosecutors never do this to their bosses? >> that's the thing, their concern here is that their boss isn't acting as a distant and fair minded manager of the law enforcement process, and the judiciary. >> or they may be involved in the very law enforcement process. >> they feel -- they were very aware, trump had just fired jim comey. you had the fbi and the justice department rattled by that, and trying to figure out the best course of responding to that, perhaps they made mistakes, but i think what they were trying to do is come up with a record that could not be disputed as they tried to understand what was going on here. bharara had the distinct advantage of being a new yorker, and new yorkers who were exposed to trump for decades before he ran for president, knew exactly how he rolled.
he's coming at this from being a new yorker and a law enforcement official. they all had good reasons for wanting to have tape recordings. >> and he was in trump tower during the transition and got a sense of donald trump's state of mind and the few other aids around him in why he was so interested in sdny. and he confirmed for me tonight, there are no records of donald trump calling other -- >> this is what i was wondering. >> when he said that, i remember at the time, when he got fired, saying he had to consult someone. he didn't think it was appropriate to call the president. laypeople like me wouldn't know it's not appropriate for the attorney general of the southern district of new york to call the president. >> it's the operational equivalent of lock her up. that's big talk on the campaign, that people thought was inappropriate. operation ali, what's worse than yelling lock her up in public?
is calling in private and trying to couplety vat these relationships to bring these people in, and to also potentially make them seem so locked in with trump, that whether they like it or not. they are compromised, they have to defend things. why was donald trump so obsessed with this. he took this acute interest in the prosecutors in florida, where there's also jurisdiction and d.c. the narrative that donald trump is bumbling and doesn't know anything, runs into the idea. and doesn't have a lot of interest in staffing government agencies, when it involves his criminal exposure, he has an acute interest. >> you only needs two lenses to understand almost everything donald trump does. it's either self-aggrandizement or self-preservation. most everything that's happened is about self-preservation. >> michael cohen has been prosecuted in the southern district for a number of crimes. the new york state attorney general has investigated the
trump foundation for being a sham. they're looking at trump's relationships with deutche bank. he had to anticipate that once he entered the white house, some of this stuff was coming, and i think -- >> you said self-aggrandizement or self-presidenter indication. >> there may be a third self, playing yourself. the way he's attacked law enforcement and fired officials, that's what led to the special counsel that's haunted him and indicted more than any probe. >> had he not done a bunch of these things, there would be no robert mueller and no special counsel. guys, great interview. i've been thinking about rap lyrics to quote to you and i've come up short. coming up next, a new book on jared kushner creates a picture of a recklessly self-interested kushner whose family and businesses are tainting his government work.
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than anyone else. he was referring to the fact that josh had co founded oscar, predicated on obamacare. it's an important part of the story. the self-enrichment part of the story. jared kushner's brother had something to do with the obamacare not being repealed. >> he had a real estate technology platform they co founded. as i report in the book, they also had had in the past had something called bfps. brothers first, partners second. >> this is jared and his brother. >> he described it three years before going into the administration to someone he was hiring as a profit sharing vehicle.
he thought it was an attractive way to hire people to kushner companies, they may want to go and work for thrive as well. josh was very clear that this profit sharing -- they no longer have a current profit sharing arrangement. but it's still on jared kushner's financial disclosure, interestingly. >> other people who work in the white house in theory. like gary cone have to divest of their investments. however. lloyd blankfine who gary kohn couldn't deal with shows up at the white house. he was an investor in cadre, started up by kushner, co founded with his brother josh. an arrangement which would draw the scrutiny of ethics watchdogs. it's kind of remarkable.
>> what's most remarkable about it is that the closure of the white house logs. the lack of transparency, not only was this going on, rex tillerson must have divested a fortune. and there's jared kushner, who hasn't divested, didn't disclose actually cadre, it was wrapped up in bfps. didn't even -- cadre's not on there, as he's meeting lloyd blackfine, he closes the white house logs. >> that show who shows up at the white house. >> it's extraordinary. the white house works for the american public. and at the time they said it was for security reasons. >> why wouldn't we know that lloyd blank find was meeting with jared kushner at the white house? >> right, it's just -- you would never see this in any previous white house.
one rule for jared kushner and a different rule for everyone else. >> except for ivanka. >> yes. >> you have conflict of interest and then you have this other issue in which they all mix together and create possibly a national security issue. this has to do with 66 fifth avenue. he was negotiating financing with qatar. these are real estate companies that don't get money from banks, typically. they have to find money elsewhere. >> this building was a disaster. >> nobody was going to finance this thing. now we find out that a year later, there's a blockade of qatar, understandably at the behest of the united states. after this deal to finance his building goes south, and jared kushner is said to have spent a night with muhammad bin salman talking about the world. >> it was worse than that. jared kushner lobbied trump to
make the first official visit, not to a country with shared democratic values, but to saudi arabia, conducting -- >> not to canada, not to mexico. >> with mbs as you mentioned earlier, had a track record that really worried rex tillerson and jim mattis. people who knew about saudi arabia and what was going on in yemen, et cetera. they have this summit, it's all about cooperation, days after the summit ends, mbs makes a mochrie of the whole idea, makes a mochrie of jared in a way, because this blockade takes place, because mbs' real motive, he wants -- qatar is richer than saudi arabia, he wants money. but that's our security. >> yes, we have bases there. an air base there. >> exactly. >> it's a remarkable book, vicky ward is the author of kushner inc., greed, ambition and corruption.
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of this country, and they were forgotten, by the way, you're not forgotten any longer. you will never be forgotten again. together we will raise incomes and bring back our jobs. >> many americans are still forgotten. one high profile ceo seemed to imagine that this week. jaime dimon is the ceo of jpmorgan chase which made an additional $3.6 billion thanks to donald trump's tax cuts. no one was surprised that jpmorgan is doing fine. jaime dimon made a surprising admission about the u.s. economy. >> i don't want to be a tone deaf ceo. the company is doing fine it's obvious that a big chunk has been left behind. 40% of americans can't afford a $400 bill, whether it's medical or fixing a car or something
like that. 15% of americans make minimum wages. we by fur indicated the economy, i got these terrible things out there. >> we've bifurcated the economy, donald trump promised not to do that. he promised to bring higher wages and jobs to forgotten men and women. it's interesting to think what they will think of donald trump in 2020, since they are hearing things like this from democratic presidential candidates. >> we will deliver the largest working and middle class tax cut in a generation, and we'll pay for it, we'll pay for it by reversing this administration's giveaways to the top big corporations and the top 1%. >> today we say to the top 1% in large profitable corporations. we are going to end their massive tax breaks and remove those of the current.
>> we got to rewrite the rules of the economy. part of that is putting more power back in the hands of workers. we get a 2% tax on the 75,000 richest families in this country. we don't have enough money to provide universal child care and universal pre-k for every child in america and still have $2 trillion left over. let's make it happen. >> what does all this mean for the presidential election? jessica chambers joins me for tonight's last word, that's next. less powerful than any smartphone. i became an engineer because of them. now i'm at verizon building a powerful 5g experience for america. we call it 5g ultra wideband. when i think of where people might go with it... i think of them. (man over radio) ...go for landing.
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the challenges in our economy that works too well for too few and not well enough for too many. i think of schoolteachers and educators who are working two and three jobs just to make ends meet. we'll make sure they and everyone who works in this country is able to earn and expect a living wage. again, not just good for those families but for us and good for our economy. >> and the 2020 democratic candidate continues to hone their economic message. the trump white house admitted the united states economy won't get the 3% growth the president promised unless he gets more new tax cuts. how does it factor into the 2020 campaign. joining me now our francesca chambers for the dailymail.com. the president says we won't get
to 3% of policy changes, do you remember back to the campaign when president trump says his economist tells him 6% but he thinks 4% or 5%. america was hurting, they wanted better economic success and he sold them the goods. >> he did say that 4% several times. the a was 3%. looking at this year, the chief economists have said they expect beginning of the year to be soft but that it could go up. the trump administration is really encouraging however by the rising hourly wages and the low unemployment rate at 3.8% and of course that's a significantly down from when donald trump took office. so they're encouraging by those numbers. will it be enough for the voters? i don't know. administration is at least encouraged. >> here is the question. will it be enough for voters.
the reality is there are a lot of disinfected americans. they were disaffected before. donald trump as did bernie sanders and others and everybody promises a solution. we are not closer to the solution as jamie dimon says we may be further. >> absolutely. i think the challenge for donald trump is that the reality on the ground that true wages have to fit a little bit. in terms of job creations, we do not have more job creations under donald trump than we did with barack obama. a key difference is donald trump made promises like no plants would close in ohio and now we have, you know, pretty seminal examples, gm is closing its plant and shifting jobs and out sourcing and really doing so after a series of houses that banner which the trump tax cuts
as we all know added to the deficit of $2 trillion but gave corporations a massive tax cut, 81% of the benefits over the life of the tax cut will go to the top 1%, did a massive tax cut. we can see that in the gm examples and really giving it to shareholders. that's a strong critique of democrats over the last year and a half. it will continue to be a critique over the next two years and 2020. >> francesca, one of the interesting things of the democratic candidate, some of them are campaigning on various things. one of the things that catches my eyes are the degree of which some of them are campaigning specific policies that people may not agree with but they are there to be challenged. elizabeth warren, a tech policy last week, a housing policy, she talked about the electoral college that donald trump
tweeted about tonight. there are some policies that are worthy of discussion. >> on top of that, almost every single candidate has to answer in-depth has been medicare for all. that's important in the context of the economy. that could add trillions of dollars to the deficit and so democrats are going to have to figure out as they push this healthcare message how they plan to pay for it. most have said that they would undoubtedly have to raise taxes to do that and they prefer to raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy to do that but there has been quite a debate and it will continue to be over how much money and how much they want those to go up on the wealthy and the corporations. then you have the great new deal. no candidate haltom city running for president is actually saying that we should implement the green new deal as it was written. they say it is aspirational. none the less, those are
programs that would theoretically cost more money and taxpayers would be on the hook for that >> the white house responded to the constant talk of medicare for all. they say it would be more efficient nor cheaper than the current system and could adversely affect healthcare. that may be false, the bottom line is it is a point that democratic candidates are going to have to over come. overcome. >> i am looking forward to debate healthcare in 2020. it is a center issue that was really campaigned on 2018. i appreciate the white house talking points on these issues. again, we are going to have democrats who talk about how they're going to ensure that every american has healthcare verses donald trump who tried to
get the aca and take healthcare from 20 million americans. i look forward to that debate. >> thank you to both of you, that's tonight's "last word," "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. and chambers. that is "the last word" for tonight. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. tonight, revealing new details of the span and scope of mueller's investigation into michael cohen. and why the probe believes so many pages that were not allowed to see are still more to come. tonight one fbi veteran says the president might have a lot to worry about from this case. plus, why suddenly rod rosenstein has decided to stay longer at the department of justice. is his departure being held up pending the release of a mueller report? and could the effort to do away with the electoral college ever really succeed? as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a tuesday night. good evening once again for our nbc news headquarter i