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the voters he counts on won't believe it and he'll be in the position he wants to be from 2020. >> fair enough. that's going to do it for us on "andrea mitchell reports." "velshi & ruhle" with ali velshi and stephanie ruhle are up next. hi, guys. >> have a good afternoon, kasie. we'll sue you inee you in a lit. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. let's get a little smarter. >> a pathway for medicare. make it available on the exchanges as a public option. let people buy in. if people like me are right, this is going to be not only more widespread coverage, but better and more cost-effective. >> i have a background of having been a lead and i think the voters are going to decide who will be the next commander in chief of the united states based on experience of leading. i was -- and i led at a local government level at state government, and now at federal government. i was the district attorney of san francisco. i was the attorney general of
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california where i led an office of 5,000 people. now obviously in the united states senate. >> over the course of the next few months, dust is going to be kicked up. but when the dust settles, there's going to be two questions that voters ask. one is who can beat donald trump? and the second is who do we trust to make the change happen that we want in this country? it is going to be bernie sanders who rises to the top because he answers both of those critical questions. >> you know, it doesn't phase me that 46 weeks before the iowa caucus that i'm not a front runner right now. i'm going to do and do the hard work that it takes to reach ought american people in every single state, talk to a lot of folks that don't feel like front runners themselves, and i'm confident that by the time the iowa caucus comes along that i will be a front runner. >> inside the cockpit. breaking this morning, recordings from that june lion air 737-max jet, the crew's frantic attempts to save the plane in the final desperate moments. the new report that the very same plane nearly crashed the day before and was saved by an
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off-duty pilot in the right place at the right time. >> we know that that third pilot who wasn't even meant to be in the cockpit really saved the day and the lives of all those passengers since it was he who was able to show the two pilots who were in control of the flight on that day how to disable this particular automated software. >> the fda approving the first drug to treat postpartum depression which affects roughly 400,000 women a year. the drug is given intravenously in the first 48 hours after a woman gives birth, and initial trials show near immediate relief for patients. there is one huge draw back. the drug will cost anywhere from 20 to $34,000. >> being able to treat people quickly within days is unlike anything we've ever been able to do before. >> you had a good conversation about that earlier today about the postpartum drug. we're going to have another one about it now. it sounds miraculous.
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one in seven women who have a baby suffer from postpartum depression. >> it's massively important, but if you think about this for a second, ali, the drug costs 24 to $30,000. >> right. >> so we don't know yet why -- why does it cost that much? does it need to cost that much? and if it does, who covers it? and if it's for mothers just after they deliver those babies, how much longer do they need to stay in the hospital? because in the united states, you have 24 hours from delivery. so it's an important issue. it's a complicated one. i'm looking forward to talking about it. >> i want to talk a bit about the economy. walk with me over here to the board. i want to talk about something that we -- the president is talking about, manufacturing jobs today. this is an interesting story because when the president talks about manufacturing and manufacturing jobs, you have to remember that it's two different things. i've taken this chart all the way back to 1989. we used to be a pretty big manufacturing economy in the '80s, then two things happened. we had automation of jobs and we had outsourcing.
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you can see the level of manufacturing jobs in the clinton era into the bush era. then you started to see them dropping quite precipitously after 2001. corresponding with recession, with outsourcing of jobs and with the automation. you look at this. this is the last recession which ended at about 2009, and you start to see manufacturing jobs ticking up all the way through the trump administration, continuing, and now leveling off at the end of the trump administration. so again, when you hear donald trump talking about how he's created all these manufacturing jobs, just note this is what the pattern is. even though we're going up, we're way lower than we were back in 1989. >> ali velshi, the direction is important. remember -- president trump on the campaign trail went to those places in the country that had been hit the hardest since we lost manufacturing. >> right. >> one of the reasons it matters so much today, he's on his way today to ohio to one of those regions to talk specifically about that.
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so while it is a positive that you are seeing that move up, the issue is it's broader than that. much of those manufacturing jobs have left and they're not coming back. and even if those companies are reinvesting, they are not reinvesting in technology that will require the same work force. >> that's the next slide. let's show you what the rest of the story. this is manufacturing jobs. let's go to the next one. this is manufacturing output. so in the very same time that those jobs were dropping, and then just at this point starting to go up, we actually manufactured much more stuff. the only drops in manufacturing on this map since 1989, the only time you've seen a drop is in an actual recession where we've dropped because people aren't buying the same goods. without that -- without those recessions, you have basically a straight lineup. so herein is the intractable problem of our time if you're talking about manufacturing workers. we continue to manufacture more goods with fewer workers. let's bring in john harwood
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from cnbc who is joining us on this topic. >> we also have to say, listen, the president made this a core focus on the campaign trail. that's important to do. those people feel forgotten. >> it's real. >> for a reason. and -- but the promises he has made, remember, saying to those people from the podium, don't you sell your houses. these plants aren't closing. president of the united states cannot control that. let's bring in cnbc editor at large, our dear friend john harwood. john, we know this is a big talking point for the president. you can adjust data to make it look however you want. but when he goes back to those locations where he was on the campaign trail and there are no positive results -- in fact, in some cases, there are worse -- how is he being received? >> everybody knows that we are not bringing back the economy of yesteryear whether it's in manufacturing, whether it's in coal mining or other things that -- types of work that have become less viable in the modern
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21st century economy. president trump has some popularity in states like ohio which he won in 2016, but i don't think it's because there's been a rapid turn around in the state of the economy there. most of the positive trends in the economy that we've seen under president trump have been extensions of positive trends that resulted from the last recovery, presided over by president obama, accelerated a bit in 2018 by the stimulus from the tax cuts, but they're not a fundamental reversion. you simply don't go back in modern economics and we're not going to do that in manufacturing. >> john, let's talk about an announcement from ford that they're planning a new factory for autonomous vehicles. the president will most likely claim some credit for this. here's the question. as i showed in the chart of diminishing and now increasing manufacturing jobs and yet a remarkable increase in production, do we know every
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time we get a new factory? because this is the issue we've had, we're talking about the foxconn factories in harry bu . harrisburg. >> it means some. one of the trends we've seen that's resulted in stagnating living standards for people, especially those without post-high school educations is that according to work by david otter at m.i.t., the middle-skill kind of employment, repetitive tasks that people do that don't require a lot of training, that has plummeted for more than a third of all the work that's done to about 20% of the work that's done. now, some of those people have moved into higher-skill occupations and they've done better in this economy, but many people have not. and people, especially in rural areas and people without college or technical school educations in urban areas, simply are not
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keeping up. so if you have a new factory of the kind you're talking about, there will be jobs in the maintenance of those automated robots, in the creation of those robots, but they displace an awful lot of ordinary human labor that you could provide in middle class life a generation ago. >> but we hear all about these work force development programs. it's what ivanka trump spends a lot of her time on. wouldn't they come into play here? so if you're going to open a plant like that, where are those programs happening, the new apprentice programs? we see the announcements. where is it being put into play? >> well, look, that's the long-term solution, but with emphasis on long term. you don't overnight change the skill level of americans. if more people do get that post-high school education, whether it's votech or community colleges, over time the ideas
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that you increase the skill level of the work force and you move up the value chain. so much of the ordinary labor can be done at much cheaper rates overseas if it's done at all, if it's needed to be done at all, because of the automation. so we have not had a sustained multi-decade investment in that kind of education. and if we do, maybe that provides some hope here. >> you know, we see it not in manufacturing, but in, for instance, technical jobs like aircraft technicians, right? where the airlines have gone and sponsored programs at more than 40 community colleges to say we'll give you the software, we'll give you the training, we'll give you the airplanes. but when your people graduate, please direct them to us. they'll give them jobs that will end up paying more than $100,000 over a few years. it will take a few years to get there, with benefits. >> exactly. the country needs to stay at that for a long time for that to
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really show broad results. >> yeah, in my drive back and forth from new york to philly, a lot of the billboards that advertise fire works or real estate or whatever, are advertising technical jobs needed. it will be a company that will say, we're looking for technical jobs. can we stick up the dow for a second? this morning we were got word, john, of a head wind from fedex suggesting that the global economy is slowing. for the longest time, despite how our economy has changed, the shipping industry was always a canary in the coal mine about these things, because they sense what small and medium businesses are doing. there's some other stuff going on today because there's a fed meeting, but that does seem to have affected some investors. >> no question. and, look, we've got an economy that the first quarter this year, we expect gdp growth to be in the 1s. it slowed steadily during the latter part of 2018. perhaps the second quarter will show some pickup in growth.
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but the overall trend toward slowing around the world and in the united states is pretty clear by now. and the question is where do we go down to? if we were around 3%, either 2.9 or 3.1 depending on how you measure it in 2018, are we going down to 2 1/2? are we going down lower than that? federal reserve had said lower than that. of course that's correhanged th attitude toward rate increases. we're not expecting any this year, but that's a tough calculation for them to make. >> how about the u.s. and china? now there is talk there is bob lighthizer and steve mnuchin could be headed to china for some high-level talks. >> yes, they're trying to salvage a trade deal. president trump very much wants one. so does president xi for that matter. both economies are hurting and could use less certainty. when you look at the challenges facing the president right now, uncertainty in the stock market, slowing economy, uncertainty
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about what happens with the mueller report, pressure from the democratic congress, he does not want to accentuate economic problems by extending this trade war which, as his former national economic council director gary cohn said publicly a few days ago, is simply hurting the u.s. economy. president's got a reelection campaign to run and he needs to get a little bit healthier. i suspect that what he's going to do is ultimately come up with a mercenary deal with china in which they agree to buy more stuff. doesn't involve much structural change of the kind that people like bob lighthizer have been pressing for for a long time. but it at least calms the waters going forward. >> all right. john, thank you very much for being with us. john harwood, cnbc editor at large joining us on that. >> you bet. >> just trying to get information on what president trump said about the mueller report. >> when you showed the dow, i had the thing for a moment -- if you're an investor right now, you're trying to figure out what is happening between the u.s. and china. how do you manage what's
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happening with brexit? >> yeah, we are, what, 12 days away now? >> 12 days away. >> and there is no plan for what happens. this is not just the u.k. leaving the e.u. it's without a plan, like no one who imports anything will know, is this allowed to come in? how much duty should i pay on it? is this above the quote? they're preparing almost on a war footing for what would happen if there's a blockade. because that's how they have to treat it. people have been stockpiling medications. there is something going to happen if they don't get a deal. >> for those who play in the currency markets, good luck. >> this is a tricky one. president trump as you know just before we got on air, had a long press -- not press conference, but he was talking to the media as he was getting ready to get on the helicopter to make his way to lima, ohio. >> he said he's looking forward to seeing the mueller report. we'll see it when the president sees it. remember when we hear from the white house, the president could say, yep, people can read it.
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we don't know what that will mean, or heavily redacted. seeing a version that is bill barr's version might be different from robert mueller's version. but we're getting closer. >> all right. we'll be back in a minute on "velshi & ruhle."
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my name is tanya, i work in the network operations center for comcast. we are working to make things simple, easy and awesome. before he got onto his helicopter to head to lime a, high, about the mueller report, he doesn't get it. he said my voters don't get it, i don't get it.
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>> well, there's a lot of other people who do. let's bring in ken dilanian, nbc news investigations reporter. ken, we shouldn't be surprised that the president is already pooh poohing the importance of the report. he has very successfully muddied the waters across the media landscape for the last year abo about it. >> he really has, stephanie. it's calculated and it's worked according to polling numbers. he has tarred the investigation and suggested it was a democratic deep state plot, an illegitimate investigation, and there's a portion of the american public that believes him. but it's interesting that he is laying this kind of groundwork for the mueller report. obviously we don't know what the mueller report is going to say. and it may well say that there was no conspiracy with russia, in which case he will proclaim victory and tout no collusion. but the important question will be what else does it say? does it discuss the actions of the trump campaign with regard
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to russia? does it say, trump was negligent, for example, and allowed itself to be manipulated by russian intelligence operation. that may be the reason he is seeking to discredit it in advance because he knows in some manner it is going to be unflattering, it's going to be a scandal and it could result in an impeachment proceeding by the house of representatives. >> what do you know -- because the president said let it come out, let people see it. it's up to the attorney general. but he wants people to see the report. he wants tens of millions of people to see the report. just tell me from your understanding of the mechanics of how this happened -- happens. robert mueller submits a report to the attorney general william barr. then what happens? >> so, my reporting suggests that robert mueller is writing an unclassified summary and then a series of classified appendices. all of this in a confidential report that's going to go over to the attorney general. then the attorney general has to decide in what manner is he going to make what part of that public. and i think it's a near certainty he'll have to say
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something because there will be a clamor from public and the congress. but it's also a certainty, ali and steph, that whatever barr says, summing up this report, it will not satisfy congressional democrats. they will senator obama tubpoen underlying confidential documents. they will want briefings on what mueller can't make public. i talked to adam schiff. quite apart from the mueller report, he expects to be briefed by the fbi on what were the results of their counter intelligence investigation on the president. they went down a road to look into the question whether donald trump was compromised by russia, and there is a legal requirement that they tell congress, in adam schiff's view, what information they gathered about that. it may be classified, it may be difficult for congress to talk about, but they are going to demand that information. >> danny savalas is here. there was a vote, nonbinding vote in the house the other day -- >> not the senate. >> not the senate, but it was overwhelmingly supported. nobody voted against it --
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>> that's overwhelming. >> that's overwhelming, about making the mueller report public. the president said he told everybody -- >> he whipped them into that, he said. >> he encouraged that to happen. what is the likelihood with all the machinations that ken is talking about that we are going to have some understanding of the substance of that report? >> as ken discussed, mueller will give an abbreviated report to a.g. barr. a.g. barr then has to give a report to congress. they are limited by things beyond just the special counsel regulations. there is grand jury material they have to be careful not to disclose. but people watching donald trump say something like, let it come out, my view that as an order or a directive or even permission to a.g. barr to release everything that he has. now, that would still keep preserved grand jury material, other things that under the rules cannot be released. but if president trump is leaning towards releasing this information, that, more than a
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240-0 congressional vote, will sway a.g. barr much, much more. >> okay. but what the president says on the south lawn and what he says to bill barr in private might have absolutely no similarities. i actually think we have that sound of the president speaking. do we? >> i don't mind. i mean frankly, i told the house, if you want, let them see it. again, i say, a deputy, because of the fact that the attorney general didn't have the courage to do it himself, a deputy that's appointed appoints another man to write a report. i just won an election with 63 million votes or so, 63 million. i had 206 to 223 in the electoral college -- 306 to 223. and i'm saying to myself, wait a minute, i just won one of the greatest elections of all time in the history of this country, and even you will admit that,
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and now i have somebody writing a report that never got a vote? it's called the mueller report. so, explain that, because my voters don't get it. >> you know, there are a lot of people talking about changing the electoral college and there have been some good arguments about why you shouldn't. the best reason to do it is so that donald trump stops saying that he won one of the greatest electoral histories in the history of america. sort of not relevant to the report and the accusations and the allegations in it. >> also, donald trump is president of the united states. that encompasses far more people than strictly his voters. >> all of them. he did make a reference in that same press conference. he said my voters don't get it when talking about the report. >> that's what he said, my voters. he's not talking about americans, he's talking about my voters. ken dilanian, the vote in congress was nonbinding. it is interesting, though, because republicans who have not in any case gone anywhere but to the aid of the president in the last two years, did support the idea of getting the mueller
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report. what's behind that? >> it's hard to understand their calculation, ali. devin nunes, the ranking member on the intelligence committee, has said let it all out there. in part, it's because they believe there will be information that supports their view that there was bias, that there was -- that this thing -- this whole investigation started based on democratic opposition research. but that just isn't true. and to rebut what donald trump was saying, to fact check it, we all know, our viewers know well that the investigation started long before robert mueller was appointed a as an fbi counter intelligence investigation based on c.i.a. intelligence from overseas and other places that the russians had interfered in the election and they had improper contacts with members of the trump campaign. and then the fbi became concerned that the president himself was compromised after he fired james comey and gave classified information allegedly to the russians in the oval office, and said that the firing of james comey had relieved pressure on him. so that's what got robert mueller appointed. rod rosenstein, who had supported the firing of comey,
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took a look and said, we have to appoint a special counsel to get to the bottom of this. and we appear to be reaching the end of the point where the special counsel is going to tell us what exactly he found. but the notion that he was appointed in some illegitimate way, that it was a democratic plot, it just isn't supported by the evidence as we know it, guys. >> danny, when this all happens, what's your -- what do you think -- how do you think it goes down? does this fight about how we're going to get the report going to be mostly handled in congress or is it mostly going to be handled in circuit court? >> it's mostly going to be handled by a.g. barr and his considerable discretion what he can release. there are a couple strategies congress might have. for example, they could subpoena for testimony a.g. barr or somebody else in the justice department. there are other ways around to find out what's in the mueller report. another way, of course, arguably, is that mueller has been giving us his report the entire time. take a look back at some of the speaking indictments over the last year or so, and he's
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described a lot of his work in those -- in the paragraphs of those unredacted portions of the indictment. >> you're saying the report may just be a summary of all those things that have happened so far. >> and the things that we have no idea about that they have been investigating. but as it gets filtered from mulleder to barr and then barr to congress, you may see or in fact, we may not see at all, that a lot of that information made public is not going to be public as it passes through those two different filters. the next question is, how do we challenge the a.g. or how do people who want to see the report challenge the a.g. to get that report public. >> all right, danny, thank you. ken dilanian, thank you as well. >> what i think is going to be most interesting, honestly, if the report unredacted makes its way to congress, what does congress do? republicans and democrats. because remember, a lions share of people who are in office in congress had absolutely nothing to do with all that robert
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mueller is looking into. >> right. >> and many of whom have said this is a good guy, let him do his job. how are they going to take the report? >> that's going to be very interesting, what congress does with it may be the most interesting story of all. >> i think so. >> big story going on right now, the 2020 candidates are again all on their own. i don't know how they sustain this. we were so far out from an election. >> how do they sustain it and how do they raise money? i don't know how they do it, but they do do it, record haul we're seeing. >> we have a break down of the numbers. beto o'rourke raised $6.1 million. where did that money come from? >> individuals, 47 bucks a pop. >> we'll be back after this. maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez!
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we've been talking about president trump before he got on the plane. >> he is headed to ohio where he is going to be giving a speech in lima, ohio. remember, this is trump country, and manufacturing towns across the country have been hit, not just in the last few years. they've been hit for the last decade, and the president said those jobs are coming back. we haven't seen it in a significant way yet, but that is what he's there to talk about this afternoon. >> so he's going to be touting low unemployment. this is his tenth visit to ohio
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since taking office. while democrats across america are facing their own decisions about where to go and who to vote for -- >> it's tricky, though. when you talk about low employment, remember, when president trump was voted into office, we were essentially at full employment. it's about the kind of jobs. it's about what they look like and how much they pay. now, we have finally seen wages start to tick up. we know inflation has gone up as well. unless we see those jobs really push up in terms of wages and health care provided and quality, places like lima, ohio will continue to be frustrated. there are many districts sort of across the center of the country that voted for obama twice and then they moved to trump for this very reason, frustration. >> joe biden, by the way, we're keeping an eye on him. he's waiting in the wings. beto o'rourke is campaigning in new hampshire today. kristen gillibrand is in iowa right now. biden is yet to enter the race, but he's coming first in a new cnn poll.
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>> senator kamala harris is gaining ground since december when this poll was originally taken. now you have beto right there at the bottom. he is closing out the top four. and again, joe biden hasn't actually announced yet. politico has a piece out now saying world leaders are calling for joe biden, saying, we want your safe hands. that makes a headline. it doesn't necessarily change a vote. >> correct. >> angela merkel does not vote here. >> let's bring in garrett haake. he's tracking the campaign. i have to say, anna, there are some people for whom trump can tout the fact that international leaders want joe biden to be the president of the united states as an argument against joe biden, for some people in trump's base. >> absolutely. i think this plays right into the president's hand in terms of joe biden not being the kind of candidate that he wants. we wrote this morning in play book, it appears he is getting
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closer and closer. we broke news that mark putnam, one of the top democratic ad makers was in scranton, pennsylvania, where biden grew up, at the house he grew up at. he was scoping it over the weekend. the most clear sign to date that they are very serious about him jumping into this race. >> garrett, let's go to beto o'rourke. we have more details on what the break down is sfars fund-raising goes, because he has said he doesn't want super pacs, no big corporations behind him. he's had a pretty big haul. >> yeah, stephanie, two new data points today about beto o'rourke's fund-raising that help answer questions about him that have come from both the right and the left. the first, how many people donated to his campaign in the first 24 hours. it's 128,000 people. that is a big number. bigger than what he was able to pull in on any given day or week -- i should say a given day during his senate race. a lot of folks wondered when o'rourke wasn't running against
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ted cruz, someone universally disliked on the left, could he foil from a broad base of people. that answers that question. the average donation to the o'rourke campaign was $48. some folks on the left had questioned whether o'rourke's support would be truly grassroots as he describes it. how low can that number be. remember how much bernie sanders used that $27 average donation as a talking point during the last campaign cycle. o'rourke coming out with the $48 number would answer some of the questions from the left. here's how o'rourke talked about it when i asked him about those numbers this morning. >> as you know, we were so fortunate to receive so much help in the first 24 hours of this campaign. more than 128,000 unique contributions made in the first 24 hours from every state in the country. all of it came from people, not a dime from pacs or lobbyists.
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>> some of this seems like inside baseball, but we're still almost a year away from anybody voting. the polling information is useful, fund-raising information is useful. i can tell you o'rourke does president talk about the fund-raising when he's on the stump very often. but if you watch his live stream and they live stream almost everything, every time he stops for gas, they show how much that gas costs and urge his supporters. hey, if you've got $34.17 or whatever it was, throw it in. help us keep going. using this road trip they're on right now as a way to continue to generate interest and continue to feed into this fund-raising beast that he has put together since the start of the senate campaign last -- two years ago now. >> joe, it's been reported, anna, that joe biden could be taking a different approach. he's having some quiet conversations -- excuse me, among big donors because he's got to get those numbers up if he's going to walk in and step up against the likes of beto and bernie. >> i actually think one of the big questions that everybody is
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talking about how warren and beto o'rourke are doing small dollars, sure, it's great in 24 hours. these are hundred million plus campaigns. can they actually go the long haul here without getting big donors? i think joe biden's nod to trying to get some of these big donors lined up is a nod to the fact almost every single candidate is going to need that big money to compete against donald trump. there are going to be super pacs because some of the candidates now in the primaries are saying they don't want them involved doesn't mean that that's actually going to happen. >> there is also bloomberg dollars. mike bloomberg announced two weeks ago he is not going to run. we know he not only has a huge amount of money to put behind this election, what was it, 80 million bucks he put behind the midterms? he also has the infrastructure in place. he put together a massive team. he could plug that team in to one of these campaigns whether it's joe biden or beto. so we have that kind of waiting in the ring wings. >> anna garrett. thank you to both of you.
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all right. we have some breaking news out of what president trump said about isis. he says that isis is going to be defeated within 24 hours. he showed a map as i discussed with you about what isis territorial holdings were when he took office, and then he explained what it will be now -- in fact, he indicated it will be gone now. he pointed to one particular area. the area he's talking about is an area that is about the size -- smaller now, of central park. it's a very small area. let's listen to what the president said. >> no, no, we're in syria, we're leaving 200 people there and 200 people in an other place in syria, closer to israel, for a period of time. i brought this out for you because this is a map of everything in the red -- this was on election night in 2016. everything red is isis.
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when i took it over, it was a mess. now on the bottom, that's the exact same, there is no red. in fact, there is actually a tiny spot which will be gone by tonight. >> let's talk about that tiny spot and what the problem is. our tehran bureau chief ali rusi joins us now with that story. >> can i start with it is always a positive to hear that isis and their territory is shrinking. but whether or not they have a home base doesn't mean that isis is gone, does it? >> no, it doesn't. this is, this is sort of their last enclave there. they're being flushed out. there doesn't seem to be any huge violence there. u.s.-backed forces seem to have flushed them out of this last enclave. it doesn't mean they're gone, you're right. they have pockets all over the country. they keep popping up here and there.
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it would be incorrect to say that they have been wiped out from syria. i mean, as you know better than i do, a few weeks ago the president said they had been completely flushed out. those comments were contradicted by secretary bolton. so it would be somewhat incorrect to say that they are out of syria. they get flushed out of areas, they regroup, and then they start operations again. that said, they are much weaker than they have been in, say, 2014, '15. they don't control as much land as they did in syria. they had a control of over a third of the land in syria. that has gone back. but they are still operational there. they still have fighters there. they get push back. they come in. to pull out u.s. troops altogether and say that syria has now been rid of isis would not be entirely true. but having said that, this is a
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big step forward. there seems to be very little fighting that's gone on there. it seems very calm there today. so it is a major step forward, but they're not gone. >> ali, there is a second problem. the one issue with isis is that everybody in syria was fighting isis. now we have a problem where, with isis having no control over land, you have the reality that there is still the assad government, which is fighting a lot of its own people and different groups, backed by russia and by iran in syria. so there are a lot of people who say if america completely with draws its influence from syria, it will become a vessel for either russia or iran in the region. >> well, absolutely. i mean, much like iraq would be, that iraq was handed over to iran after the war. the iranians always boasted we never fired a shot in iraq and took control of it. that would probably be the case in syria as well if you saw a
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complete withdrawal of u.s. troops. and that's exactly what russia and iran want. they want to widen their sphere of influence in syria, and that's a lot easier when there aren't u.s. troops on the ground there. and it looks like it's heading that way. the trump administration seems to have absolutely no interest in staying in syria. but instead of saying they don't have any interest, they're saying the job is done there. the job isn't done there and that's going to open a whole new can of worms if the u.s. pulls out entirely. and then the decisions there are being made by russia, by iran, which they largely are being made right now. the iranian -- tehran has complete influence over the assad regime, as does, as does russia. and the u.s., quite frankly, plays a minor role there. one of the, one of the gluing factors in russia is that -- in syria is that everybody speaks to russia there, not the united
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states. >> right. >> so that's not good for america. >> the terror threat matters to everyone here, but obviously it's miles and miles away and we have to take our leaders at their word. how do wes know how much of what the president is telling us is true? and i take you back to, what was it, december 22nd or 23rd when the white house put out a video with the president saying, announcement, isis has been defeated. when you talk about the united states possibly pulling out, saying the job is done, the president actually told us essentially that in late self. >> we're in march and we know that to not be true, at least today. >> well, and secretary bolton also contradicted that. right after the president said that, secretary bolton said that isis is still a major threat there. so there seems to be some confusion within his own circles as well. >> all right. a ali arusi, our bureau chief on
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tehran. thank you very much. postpartum depression is something that affects one in seven mothers of newborn children. >> various degrees. for some it is debilitating, and now there is the first fda-approved drug that is going to treat it. extraordinary. we're going to learn more about it. >> also extraordinarily expensive. >> the price, 24 to $30,000. we're going to dig into that on the other side. do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back? about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. fasenra is designed to target and remove these cells. fasenra is an add-on injection for people 12 and up with asthma driven by eosinophils. fasenra is not a rescue medicine or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra is proven to help prevent severe asthma attacks, improve breathing, and can lower oral steroid use.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle," the faa approved the first drug to treat post-partum depression. doctors say it can improve symptoms within 24 hours. here is the thing, it is not cheap. it can cost between 20 or $35,000. insurance companies are looking at this and looking a the cost of the actual procedure. mothers diagnosed with post partum depression experience intense sadness and apathy and anxiety and despair. this happens within the first year after giving birth.
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>> post partum depression affects nearly 400,000 women in the u.s. every year to varying degree. this is an important one. joining us now dr. yonker, doctor, first help us understand what does post partum depression looked like in mothers just given birth, how serious can it be? >> we are talking about people who have really thought they don't want to -- thoughts of not wanting to live anymore or thoughts of not wanting to be with their baby. the most extreme circumstanc circumstances -- >> what does this? tell us about the new drug. a lot of women of post partum depression were taken drugs.
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>> many of those can't breast-f breast-f breast-fe breast-feed. >> you know i have certainly publish studies that shown it works. what typically happens it that it can take several weeks for the medication to work for somebody to really feel a different. then, the problem can be with breast-feeding, a lot of women don't want to expose their babies to other substances, breast milk. some physicians are not comfortable with the women taking an anti-depressant. >> $30,000, help us understand why the treatment cost that much? >> that's a good question. i think you have to ask about that. it is very expensive.
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it is the first medication in this class. i think when they're thinking of the medication, they're thinking that this is a one off deal that you can receive the treatment and people stay well for 30 days which is unusual for antidepression treatment. there is a cost savings but it potentially going to limit the people who may benefit from this particular medication. i would say that the company that develop this particular medication is a very young company and they don't have a large bank behind them like some of the large pharmaceutical company. maybe they felt they need to recruit their cross up front but it is expensive and some what disappointing in price wise. >> is there some sense these price will come down?
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is it because insurance companies have not looked at it yet. is there a version of this drug that could end up costing less? >> if a mouth by mouth version of this drug is developed successful, it could potential cross lists. my understanding is the target price is about $34,000. that's just for the medication. it does not include physician costs and does not include hospitalizati hospitalization. for people to receive this treatment, they need to be monitored in a hospitalized setting. you have the hospitalization and the cost of the drug. >> dr. yonker, thank you for joining us. >> i know she does not know anything about it yet, it is
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such an effective drug, that can make this company and open them up for acquisitions of bigger company can step in. there could be another way to find the funding because it is that important. a drug hopefully, there is another way -- >> the company is working on a version of this that's two years out in testing that will be more affordable. this is a breakthrough. we'll follow it closely and see where it goes. >> katy is here. i can see from the corner of my eye when he was standing out there and katy went to visit him, katy went with her. >> katy tur is so real. >> it takes a lot to get the hair just right for tv. >> right ali? >> it looks good. >> i think your hair looks good, too. >> they don't do that in cnn.
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they're much more professional. >> no comment. >> that's going to be a great discussion that we are looking forward to. i got a lot of questions and thinking about this now for a few days. you guys should get your hands-on it. >> his dad calls it a readable. >> that's a high compliment. >> very readable. >> that's the highest compliment that you can give a book. >> it is one of the highest compliments that you can give a book. when you are reading something that's educational and talking about serious stuff and it is fun to read. >> i written too and nobody said readable. >> until you go in, for me, katy t tur, unbelievable, much more than readable. >> that's not what my dad say.
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>> oh! >> ouch! >> i will see you back here in an hour. >> that's very nice to me. >> ali, thank you very much. >> let's move on. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and president trump is attacking robert mueller again. >> when you have a great victory, somebody comes in and report, tell me how it makes sense. the day before he was retained to become special counsel, i told him he would not be working at the fbi. the following day they get him for this. i don't think so. i don't think people get it. comments like this may be a preview as the president goes into


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