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people. i think this is an executive position that requires executive experience. >> mayor pete buttigieg gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight trump goes after mueller again and says it's personal. he said 63 million voted for him and none for mueller. then he atabbed john mccain in a military setting in front of a silent crowd of ohio voters who once chose mccain over baum. obama. and tonight is any of it? is all of it being driven by fear that the mueller report will be out at any moment? the former u.s. attorney for the southern district.
as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a wnz night. day 790 of the trump administration brought us a new level of vit reall from the president and this on the night of especially fevered speculation that robert swan mueller iii is prepared at any moment to transmit his final work product to the department of justice and to the u.s. attorney general. for his part the president atabb attacked mueller and continued his line of attack on john mccain. in front of a back drop of tanks in a county that voted for john mccain over barack obama, he silenced the crowd when he made his case that mb caccain was responsible for the mueller investigation. >> john mb cane received a fake
and phoney dossier. did you hear about the dossier? he didn't call me. he turned it over to the fbi hoping to put me in jeopardy. he voted against repeal and replace. voted against at 2:00 in the morning remember thumbs down. endorsed him at his request and i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted, which as president i had to approve. i don't care about this. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. we sent him on the way but i wasn't a fan of john mccain. >> and he kept up his criticism of the husband of kellyanne conway, one of the president's senior and longest serving advisors. conway has been using posts online to raise questions about the president's mental health and fitness for office. trump was asked about that as he left for ohio. >> i don't know him.
he's a wack job, there's no question about it. i think he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife. kellyanne is a wonderful woman and i call him mr. kellyanne. the fact is that he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family -- >> before opening up with that, trump was posting about conway on social media and we quote mr. kellyanne conway by those who know him is very jealous of his wife's success and anry that i, with her help, didn't give him the the job he so desperately wanted. a stone cold loser and a husband from hell. and conway asked why it's an insult to be referred to as mr. kellyanne. he said it isn't. and add anded a what i really wouldn't want to be called is individual blank. conway's wife defended her boss,
the president saying quote he left it alone for months outof respect for me. but you think he shouldn't respond when somebody, and she's talking about her husband here -- a nonmedical professional accuses him of having a a medical disorder? you think he should take that sitting down? and the president itemized his grievances against the special counsel. >> i don't mind. frankly i told the house if you want, let them see it. i just won one of the greatest elebzs of all time in the history of this question and now i have somebody writing a report that never got a vote. it's called the mueller report. i had a business transaction with him that i've reported many times that you people don't talk about. but i had a nasty business transaction with him and other things. i know that he put 13 highly
conflicted and very angry -- i call them angry democrats. let it come out o, that's up to the attorney general. he's a a very highly respected man and we'll see what happens. >> former cia director john brennan weighed in with this. your bizarre tweets and recent temper tantrums reveal your panic over the likelihood the spells counsel will put your political and financial future in jeopardy fortunately lady justice does not do nondisclosure agreements. and what mueller has accompish all -- accomplished in nearly two years, convibzs with another 27 vinyls under indictment. and increased scrutiny of ivanka trump and jared kushner. more on that ahead including don trump jr.
and spun off the mueller investigation the inquiries from at least five standing committees in the house of representatives. let let's bring in our lead-off panel for wednesday night. former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york until he was freed up by donald trump to spend more time with his family and write a book. it happens to be called "doing justice, a prosecutor's thoughts -- and bureau chief for the "washington post." by coming on tonight phil has agreed to spend part of the last hour of his birthday with his friends here at "the 11th hour." and we welcome back to our broadcast white house reporter for "the associated press." first can you clear up the nasty business transaction. he's talked about hits the before.
part of why he feels mueller is conflicted. what's your memory of what it is he's talking about? >> well, nasty business transaction has you thinking there was a huge multimillion dollar deal gone awry. but it was a dispute over membership at property, i believe where mueller was at some time a regular and is no longer a member of off the club. that's the dispute to which the president has been referring. >> i know we're going off mostly feeling but is it indeed the feeling of high anxiety and might that explain the president's verbiage today? >> i think it does explain his verbiage today and helps explain his antics over the past several days. time and again when faced with a moment of crisis or peril for his presidency, he basically
kicks up dust. he tries to create alternative story lines, distract the news media scrutiny. he tries to shift the spotlight in one direction or another. we saw that with the extraordinary barrage of tweets attacking all sorts of people and parties and institutions. we saw that yesterday and today with his attacks on george conway. sort of elevating the kellyanne and george conway story. and with his attacks on senator john mb cane. we don't know exactly when it will come. it would be next week, next month but it is coming soon and trump, i believe, is worried about that. >> the mccain attacks are indeed breath take in a civilized society, especially considering the stater john mccain had in public life. there we are in ohio in a factory that makes some of the
armor our men and women have fought the two longest wars in our history with overseas. absolute crickets in the room when the president decided to go after this decorated former pow in a factory where 1/3 of its work force are veterans. >> this has always been one of these attack lines where you just feel and hear the growns from republicans coming at him in that room. heard the reaction of silence. many veterans standing there as the president bashed a man who has been dead, basically accused him of not being grateful and thanking him for the funeral held on his behalf. just really -- attacks on him. the president hasn't faced any serious consequences for these attacks. you hear rumblings from different republicans. you heard mitt romney come out today but it was early when the
president was being interviewed in iowa where he first publicly came out about john mccain, say he didn't think he was a war hero because he had been captured. everyone is saying this is it. no candidate can possibly recover from this kind of thing. and we saw that didn't happen. trump didn't really feel any consequences from it. he's learned these kinds of attacks are effective in distracting the media, in creating a firestorm when he wants to distract and don't have any real consequences for him. >> you can find media reports that say it's coming next week for weeks into the holiday season. am i correct that there's no real rules of the road here? mueller's free to send in a five-page outline with exhibit, a 500-page binder, fiver,000 pages if he wants. the only rule is the ag has to
say it's here. wrirts us. >> it can be a long report, short report, tomorrow, in a month, two months. he is required to provide -- it's supposed to be confidential and provide decisions made to prosecute individuals and decisions made not to prosecute individuals. and that's it. one of the questions i have is will it be sparse or full in detailed? the more full in detail it is, the more fight there will be, with respect to congress as to how much becomes public. >> there are feelings among people who have been following the organic grannialer details in this story. it causes some folks anxiety to hear us say mueller's wrapping up, mueller's about ready to hand in his work because they look at the story and say how
can it by done? we keep hearing of all these other stories of misbehavior. what do you say to people? >> bob mueller is a man integrity. he served his country. and there are a lot of people in the country, in the world who want to substitute a result that they want, which is the arrest and imprisonment of a lot of people they don't agree with. it doesn't work that way. so i say let mueller finish his work, accept what his results and conclusions will be. and that's it. and i think we need to get back to basics and think about allowing a person of mueller's stater to make his determinations and ultimately what's going to happen with respect to the president will be a a political resolution, depending on what kinds of allegations are made with respect to the president's conduct. it may happen soon, it may not happen soon.
they may incriminate not many at all beyond what's already been done. i think either one of those eve event alts is possible. >> and what's the chance he leads by way of indictments? what'ser the chance u.s. attorneys offices elsewhere come out with something of a coordinated group of indictments? >> i'm not going to put a number on it, especially after 11:00 p.m. but that's one reasonable theory. the theory on which it could be posespecially with respect to rick gates. the spells counsel said he's still cooperating in multiple investigations. one way to say they're over at the close of the special counsel's work, he provides a report to the a.g. and as respect with michael
cohen, given those over to the southern district of new york. that's happening with some of these other ones also. maybe bob mueller can make short work of whatever is left. that doesn't mean all sorts of people won't remain in jeopardy. but i don't know. >> a firm maybe and an i don't know. if we indeed are about to go into a dark side of the moon phase where the report will reside with the attorney general who takes his time. he's under no time constraint to move quickly, the democrats on the hill are going to make their presence known each and every day of the president's liefe. >> i believe so. and once we get word there's a are port to the attorney general, you're going to hear a
drum beat about releasing it in full to the congress, which is effectively releasing it to the american people. they're going to say it's something they need see in full as opposed to a summary that could come from the attorney general. and there's a series of oversight investigations, including by the judiciary committee in the house and others as well. and they've been seebing documents and receiving thousands of pages off documents from over 80 officials who have worked for or are connected to the president. they will likely be seeking documents and interviews with many more officials in the months to come. and in fact they're ramping up right now. so that is a big concern of the white house. it's one of the reasons why they've been expanding the number of lawyers to get ready for this. but they're not, i believe, fully prepared for the political
war that's going to come this spring over both the mueller report and the concurrent investigations occurring in congress. >> and while republicans support or at minimum lack of support for this president has been awe inspiring to watch. they'll want to count on friends on the hill when this comes out. is that a directly related to whatever this says? >> absolutely. you've seen the rage of the president boiling over today. connecting his anger at john mccain with the fact he referred that dossier over to the fbi. the president is in a a state where he's really hoping he will have republicans will have his back, will stand up for him. as you feel this rage coming from the white house, tltz here quiet optimism where they're under the impression that if
there's been no bomb shell that's come out yet, there might be that there's no bomb shell in this report and the president will be able to run with that, run on the idea that this entire mueller investigation was nothing but a instance of government over reach, this witch hunt he has been railing against. he is going to hope his allies in congress can help him do that. and they're going to say it's only investigating this one sliver of trump's conduct, which is specifically at russian interference. we have all these utter avenues we're looking into. all off these utter in the wheres the president is going to need republicans to have his back. >> we walked the viewers thun enl. edge. as we ask the former u.s.
attorney in the segment coming up for the southern district of new york, we might add, about an element off the work of the feds he writes about in the aforementioned new book. and another new book is focusing unwelcome attention on two big names in this west wing, jared and ivanka as "the 11th hour." d"
and publicly accepted responsibility for them by pleading guilty in the southern di district of new york. >> michael cohen is perhaps the most high profile cooperating witness, although he didn't inter into a formal agreement with the southern district of new york, he did provide the southern district, in effect the justice department -- he spoke with spells counsel robert mumer mueller's team on okazs. cooperators assist and as a result they operate as double agents against the people closest to them. it is a bit fantastical and murky this partnership between
criminal and lawman working at opposite ends of the legal spectrum. it force as bond in which each side is counting on and put its fate and trust in the other. it is the most unholy alliance in the whole business of justice. the author goes on to write about cohen's case, quote cohen's reversal was dramatic and breath takingly reported because of his proximity to elected power. but his decision is echo oed through the annals of law enforcement in story after story where real people waver between resolve and anger and back again. the pride of eaten town, new jersey is with us and the full title "doing justice a prosecutor's thoughts on crime, punishment and the rule of law." how long a walk is it between
what cohen entered into and agreed to and what we would call flipping, working for the home team, full cooperation? >> he's in a hazy intermediate stage. usually it's the case you get them to cooperate with a formal cooperation agreement, generally higher up in the food chain. and he elected to continue with his case, plead guilty, accept a prison sentence. my suspicion is that's partly because he may have been selective in what information he was giving. they have a different policy from other offices. we, as i say in the book, require a defendant to confess all his sins and not just the sins that have been charged against him, that government can prove and it may be the case that he was interested in giving them some information and maybe not all of his own activities and all the other criminal information he might have
against associates and maybe members of his own family. he looks like he's desperately trying to get rule 35 motion, which is post sentence -- he's providing evidence. we saw a document that reflected a search warrant. and 19 or 20 pages redacted, related to the campaign finance charges. the lengthy quote you write in the book is that cooperating is the bread and butter off a lot of crimes of prosecution. you would have a mob ten times the strength that it is now. that's not to say they shouldn't be appreciative and understanding that it's unseemly. it's this thing we recognize as totalitarian, but not how all moral systems operate but it is with coop raise. so you have to tread carefully,
even with someone like meekicha cohen. no different than bank fraud, robbery. >> the book obviously has fiction-like portrayals of characters that you came to know along the way. some are people you met in the criminal justice system some are judges, federal and otherwise. we try to ask a lot of our guests that when this story, this trump saga comes to whatever end it's going to come to, what's the lesson you hope people learn about the definition of being a fed? and in your case a federal prosecutor? >> part of the reason i wrote the book is i want people to understand how thoughtful, deliberative they are and shouldn't have seen the mission as simply locking people up.
that's the job and mission in that place, as it should be, was to do justice. sometimes that meant prosecuting, sometimes that meant working a case. and an investigator worked around the clock to try to get six people exonerated of a crime they had not committed. who were facing 17 years in prison at the hands of another prosecutor's office. and we try to follow the ideal that you're supposed to do the right in the in the right way for the right reasons every day no matter what. you didn't always get perfect. we're human beings too. everybody is human beings and have issues they have to deal with and pride and error. but the idea is we do the right in the for the right reason every day and i want people to understand the culture of that place was. if you read the bob -- and
people know my name because it was on every indictment as it's supposed to be. but the real heroes that people don't know about in the country are the men and women oof the southern district of norb and other places in the justice department that quietly do the work in a nonpartisan way and following the facts wherever they lead aggressively and fearlessly. >> we're probably heading to protracted high profile hearings. will you accept or decline? >> i'm not going to comment on any offer of appointment and i'm very happy doing what i'm doing now. >> right. the bob "doing justice a prosecutor's thoughts on crime, punishment and the rule of law." one of the senior most elected democrats in this country will be in this studio when we come back to talk about the field. we're back with that after this. we're back with that after this. termites.
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we can be proudly progressive, fund planned parenthood. minimum wage to $15. legalize adult-use marijuana and at the same time we can grow the economy. we can be responsible stewards of balancing our fiscal reali reality that's a space we should comfortably occupy. >> i want to ask how you bring republicans into that tent? i looked at fox news at primetime. and the graphic said pot psychosis, dangers of marijuana. that's the same headline as in army training films in 1950. but that's alive and well and out there. why legalize it in new jersey? >> number one we're not inventing marijuana. it exists. our kids are exposed to it. the bad guys run the business and make all the money.
t new jersey is the widest nonwhite gap of persons incarcerated in america the biggest contributing factor is low end drug use. get the business out of the hands of the bad guys and the second reason is social justice. let's expunge those records. let's give you a chance to vacate a sentence and give these licenses out. make sure we give them out across the entire society, minorities, women, disabled veterans, etc. >> you get all these litmus test questions like court packing, like are you in favor of tossing aside the electoral college? the other one is the green new deal. that has us riding around on high speed rail. we don't have a legit high speed rail system yet in this country. you guys can't get a new tunnel
dug between new york and new jersey where anywhere between 10 and 20% of our gdp passes through that corridor. why not? >> a little asterisk. new jersey, new york are all in. the port authority is all in. across the hudson and the political aisle we need the trump administration to get all in as the obama administration had been before. >> isn't that infrastructure? >> it's the one area where candidate trump was running and i said i could see common ground. but it's a lot of rhetoric and no abz. i'm still cautiously optimistic. 20% of the gdp rides in the nation's northeast corridor. >> and you have to navigate the pot holes to navigate the heavily travelled roadways. this is american jobs.
>> union jobs too. and as you said new jersey is the densest state in the nation. so moving people around, moving things around is not a passing interest. it's existential. we're fixing nj transit. but we need help from the feds to get that tunnel built. >> bumper sticker one more time. >> pro-growth progressive. >> thank you for visiting. appreciate it. coming up they are thought of a as a moderating force inside this white house. but a new book digs into the roles that ivanka and jared play behind the scenes. the author joins us next when we continue. ns us next when we continue
picture of just how much influence jared and ivanka have and how entangled they are in the russia investigation. it was jared kusner who pused the president to make the decision that ultimately led to mueller's naming. the author writes quote kushner was exposed by the media as someone who would almost certainly have an increasingly prominent role in the russian collusion investigation. not only had he met with russian government officials or connected officials but he had left those meetings off his security clearance forms. steve bannon and others noticed that kushner became gunning hoe about firing james comey. we'll stop there. the aforementioned vicki ward, editor at large at the "washington post." and author of this new book. thank you for coming on.
i don't think most people trace jared's involvement in the comey matter. because absent the comey matter, jeff sessions is still called mr. attorney general, there's no mueller and this is a different presidency. >> entirely correct. i think this is probably the biggest revelation of the book actually. at the time when the president fired james comey, it was reported that jared kushner had just supported the decision. that's not what my reporting shows. and what actually happened is that jared, as you say, realized that the press had learned that he had these meetings with russian ambassador, russian banker connected to the kremlin and hey had not put them on his security clearance form. and very uncharacteristicly he
made a sort of impassioned argument to the president in front of people. jared's normal method of communicating with trump is to corner him quietly. which really annoyed reince priebus was trying to manage the place. but this time he said the to president you've got to fire james comey and here are three reasons why. the democrats don't like him and the base will love it. bannon, wylie strategist, disagreed with him on every single point. but jared won the day and to your point, brian, there lies trump's catastrophic mistake. >> you can trace it back to there. >> yeah. >> charley kushner who was put in prison by the last sitting governor of new jersey, chris christie. he normally lives a private life
and has written an op-ed in the "washington post." "jared's service to the country has brought unprecedented scrutiny of the kushner companies from the media and government vers. we are happy to assist with all inquiries but i must note we're already voluntarilied a hering to the strictest standard to avoid the appearance of conflicts. does that match your view of the family business and/or these two young individuals working at the president's elbow? >> it's really simple. every single security agency made the recommendation that jared kushner should not get a security clearance based on his conflicts of interest and his diplomatic naivety. and as we learned last week the president had to over rule everyone in sight to give him security clearance. that does not suggest jared is without the appearance of
conflict of interest. >> a strong note to end on. here is the book. "kushner ink, greed, ambition, corruption. the extraordinary story of jared and ivanka trump." from "morning joe" through nicole wallace's broadcast and stayed up with us. thank you. and coming up two of our returning veterans are here to talk about what just happened today and what it is we all seem to be waiting for as early as tomorrow when we come back. waiting for aw when we come back.
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"being the donald." and former lieutenant governor of the great state of maryland. tim, what donald trump qualities that you are familiar with that you have written about were on display in the donald trump you watched today? >> i think his full blown pettiness when confronted with opposition, when people are criticizing in ways he can't control, when other people's legacies, ie mccain who's a war hero present him with in thes he can't argue against, he goes into this grand mall flogging. and while today was possibly a new low in his remarks about the senator's funeral and the failure of the senator to thank him. i don't know how he was 130supp perform a say auns or something.
he's been doing this for decades. business opponents, partners, pall ti politicians in norb. new yorkers are familiar with this side of donald trump. it's not casual behavior. it's part and particel of a whoe is. for all of his bravado and bragadocious, he's wounded. he can perpetually live in that state of being an open wound and move forward in a way most people can't. but he's lashing out for the better part of three decades. we've had a 1/2 century of donald trump as dennis the menace. >> and thank you for that reminder. "trump has usually got an positive reception at his rallies when he's gone after
mccain. but today at an army tank plant where potus said 1/3 of the workforce was comprised of veterans, there was a unique response. and the mccain institute felt the need to put out the facts of john mccain's life. this broke my heart. john mccain's story was the story of incredible military achievement, of survival as a pow for almost six years and be one of the more consequential member of the senate over the last 1/2 century. >> you can have political disputes with him, disagree on policy idea or initiative, but you cannot take away the legacy of the man, you cannot take away the commitment he made as a very, very young midshipment at
the united states naval academy to this country. and no matter what donald trump says, no matter how he says it, to him he says it or tweets it in any lifetime in any moment john mccain will be the bigger and the better man. it's that simple. and it gnaws at him at every turn. you can hear the derision when he said and i gave him the funeral he wanted. really? you gave him a funeral he wanted. john mccain didn't need donald trump to give him a funeral. the nation was fully prepared as we watched this man exhibit the kind of strength, even at the moment of his own ending that again was not about mccain. it was about a country. he talked about the country, lifting up the country. it's just the petiness of a
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thanks to our guests for sticking around with us. tim o'brien and michael steele remain with us. those of us remember moon ms.s and the expression dark side of the moon because they would pass on the dark side of the moon and lose communications with the mother planet. i've been saying once this mueller report is over o, we may be in for dark side of the moon with just house democrats to
make up the absence of noise. what is this president, who you have written about and chronicled so closely going to be like? >> i think he's go to be a lot like he's been this past week. he's existing in the same void that the rest of the country is. there's been a lot of anticipation about when will the mueller report land and what will it contain? there's a lot of loose speculation on that. even when with it does land, bill barr doesn't have to do anything. >> no time constraints. >> i suspect adam schiff and jerry nadler aren't going to let him sit on it too long. and there's going to be another round of speculation and every time president trump fills that void by las out. and trump using these moments as a giant psycho therapy couch and we all have to sit around and observe it. i'm not anticipating a happy period.
you got ongoing investigations. there are three states attorney generals looking at him. five congressional committees and the southern district of norb. they all are probably going to carry on the path of presidency, depending on whether he wins a second nod to the white house. >> and if you're republicans, how do you whip up support for this guy, especially if say you served in the united states senate with the man we were just talking about, with john mccain? it not going to get tougher and tougher? we've seen some incredible stories. >> we have. and i think it does get tougher to the extent you have the report sitting on the attorney general's desk and that period that you were just talking about where people are trying to figure out what's tin, there's going to be pressure, this idea
that we want to get this in front of the nation. i think the test will be how much they saddle up next to democrats to make the case to the attorney general and the president, whose arer on the record today saying release the report. i think that's a smoke and mirror move by the president. i think in fact he doesn't really want the report released and i think he's anticipating or expecting attorney general barr to sort of leave it on it the side or not expose it at all and i think that's going to put a lot of republicans in conflict. because the pressure will be real from the american people that we should all have the full exposed details of what this two-year plus investigation has been about. >> so many people who cover the white house are expecting to hear the phrase no smoking gun independent of an absent whatever it is we read with our own eyes in this report. our two friends, tim o'brien and michael steele.
thank you so much for being a part of our broadcast and taking us to the very end off a wednesday, bordering on thursday. but that is our wednesday night broadcast. and tonight on "all in." >> i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted. >> a a president bracing for impact. >> i didn't get thank you. that's okay. >> takes aim at a dead senator and the spouse of his top advisorer as he calls for the full public release of the mueller report. tonight the status of the special counsel's investigation and all the other inquiries into the president's behavior. plus new calls to investigate trump's biggest financial backer. >> the concern is they have a history of maundering russian money. >> what a joe biden candidacy would mean and.