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have a professional history. he didn't need to mention everyone agrees. mueller in the letter the way he the manner in which they're in a did. box is they have to decide if mueller finished tonight. did you see any evidence, clues, the crime of obstruction of justice and witness tampering anything like that because you've been on the ground? and others, if that's still illegal. if they still think it's a crime. i think the letter codified the personality traits we have already seen from this new attorney general as we've been waiting for this report to be >> has donald trump given them a delivered here to him. he stayed calm. taken way in congress. we saw him around the justice department. he eats lunch with the staff and cafeteria, the justice department which is not normally >> so we have mtp beat. anything you recommend if you have a nice lunch. he eats with staff every day around noon. he seems to stick to a schedule. >> actually thought you were he sees reporters in the leaving. hallway. he may come up to him and say is >> i just gave nicole the good today the day. news she doesn't get to leave he keeps a stoic face and keeps walking. not being able to get caught up either. >> chuck and nicole, we'll stay if you need us. in the moment. >> stay with me for this >> that's come through. breaking news. i'm going to jump. we're hearing news from senator schumer. but that's very interesting. >> robert mueller finished the we're going to listen to live russia investigation late today. he filed his formal report and reaction from chuck schumer.
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the justice department which >> evidence should be made public. the special counsel's announced. and a day that history will mark investigation focused on questions that go to the integrity of our democracy itself, whether foreign powers corruptly interfered in our elections and whether unlawful the battle and the facts. means were used to hinder the investigation. and this is seen right here the american people have a right brand new. to the truth. it states that that they the watch word is transparency. overruled mueller and who to indict. and bob mueller's principal conclusions about those indictments and who did he not indict as soon as this weekend. the president has called for the as soon as this weekend. report to be made public. so there is a lot to get to. i have a big panel. a lot of experts. there is no reason on god's chuck and nicole are waiting. green earth why attorney general i go first to a newsmaker. barr should do any less. the intelligence chairman in the we're only good to take one question or two. any? >> the indications are that house adam shift joins us by there are no new indictments. phone for the first reaction. that is the word coming out. good evening, sir. do you think that is the case? that there is apology to be made for the perfect ez? >> i think we should wait for
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the full report to be issued i'm waiting for robert schiff. before jumping to any >> i can hear you. >> i hear you now, chairman. conclusions. >> i think we should wait for our viewers can hear you. the full report to be made your reaction to tonight's news? public before jumping to any >> well, we've been waiting for that puff of smoke about the conclusions. justice department and finally got it today. >> how confident are you that we're going to get the full the special counsel concluded report with a trump appointed the investigation. attorney general? the key question though is will >> i think the demand of the public is overwhelming to see bill barr live up to the the report when it's on such a commitment he made to be as serious matter. transparent as possible which would require making public the mueller report. we voted overwhelmingly in the house to do that. >> is there a time frame? but for lindsey gram's stopping >> number thank you everybody. last question to the yankee fan. that bill in the senate, i think >> we've been listening to chuck the senate would have voted overwhelmingly to make the schumer that marks the third mueller report public as well. democrat we heard from just in our coverage here on msnbc. one thing i will add is the report itself, as important as that will be is not as important we heard from the judiciary as the underlying evidence. committee and intelligence chairman adam schiff in the house emphasizing while we have big news tonight, i don't anyone doubts that. he filed the report. they're all emphasizing that the next step is even more important i evidence that a u.s. person or than what he filed which is what anyone around him may be acting do we learn?
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what does congress learn and in the foreign interest of an what does america learn? at this moment, 6:40 p.m., we've adversary and not in the interest of our country. >> so, mr. chairman, as you been hearing from reporters, know, this letter was directed from lawyers, from our experts. to congress. you are one of the decision we haven't yet heard from the makers reacting to it. people that directly reacted i understand you to be referring to the two pieces here. with the mueller probe. on "the beat," that is something one, that by this weekend bob -- we've been focused on. bill barr says he could refer to you, his view of bob mueller's principle conclusions. and that number two, he says in the time ahead he will consult with mueller and rosenstein about what other information can be released to both you the congress and the public. now that we know that is the stance they take, what is your view, mr. chairman, of what must my panelists are still with me. be in that other second bucket we'll be adding others in a few of other information. moments. sam, you have been associated wfr this probe in a very >> what mueller is reporting as dramatic way. as many people i think now know. best we can tell are his conclusions on the criminal side and you were talking about of the house. defying it. then you participated. you came to this table and said who should be indicted and who shouldn't be indicted and why he you were worried about michael cohen. and you said they were asking
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reached those conclusions. you all kind of questions that went more to his conduct even remember, this began as a counter intelligence and other people's. investigation as to whether any he was later indicted as we all u.s. persons were acting as agents of a foreign power. know. he's headed to prison with one of the longer sentences. and that information may be of the greatest consequence of the country. and the policies is being distorted for financial or other reasons and that is the information that absolutely must be shared with the congress and >> i'm interested in my answers ultimately made public. in fact, there is a statutory to the long interview. what i want to know is when did obligation to inform the trump tower moscow start getting intelligence committees of any negotiated? i was asked about that numerous significant intelligence times including at the end of my activity including counter voluntary when they said to me, intelligence. look me in the eyes and said are so we're fully going to expect that that's what the department you sure you don't know anything about trump tower moscow? is going do and if we need to compel them to do so, we will. >> and you said? >> i don't. i never heard about trump tower but we need to know at the end of the day that the president is moscow. so while i work for the president up newly august of acting out of the country's interest and not because he 2015, if there were already negotiating trump tower moscow, wants to build a tower in moscow that was news to me. or any other purpose. >> chairman, adam schiff joins us here on our live coverage of
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the mueller report has been if the president told campaign filed, 5:00 p.m. eastern. advisors to reach out either to everyone making sense of what roger or others on wikileaks. i think that would go to the comes next. when you look at the record is now we can mark the end of bob mueller's actual investigation. can you react to what he found. i want to go over with you before i let you go what he's done now, 37 indictments. conspiracy. what go you think the trump sive world will say if there is no six former advisors that took collusion? i posed this question to the actions on behalf of mr. trump. senator and someone to chuck schumer. let's see all the evidence. lying to the fbi. but what is the reaction there? if this is the end, do you view because i will push you in tonight's news as an indication advance and say to try to claim there are no other potentially sealed or remaining indictment that as a time to spike the that's we would learn about? football would seem to be a and what does it mean in your reach. when they've had the fastest view that bob mueller has this indictment rate of any president in history. record of 37 indictments and >> it's very funny you said finished the probe today? >> well, what it means is that spike the football. i was talking to somebody that spoke to somebody at the white
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house. the office of the special a mutual friend of mine. they say get ready for us to spike the football for five months for five to seven months. counsel is going to contract a attorney to the justice >> when were you told that? department that that office won't be bringing any further >> today. >> after 5:00 p.m.? indictments. it doesn't mean, of course, that >> every day anticipated report could have been released on main justice or the seventh wednesday or thursday. district of new york and the >> i think again we just don't eastern district or others may know enough at this point to say not bring indictments. it's time for anybody to spike in fact, given the lengthy redactions in many of the pleadings of the special counsel the football. with you don't know what it will eluding to other investigations, say about a whole series of i think it's entirely possible if not likely that there will be events. >> i'll push you on that. it's not time for paul manafort other indictments. now how central or peripheral to spike the football. he's been indicted in three they'll be to the core issues of different places or george. potential conspiracy is yet to be determined. i give you a chance that he's the worst on this page. but in terms of the special but let's face it, we're now counsel's record, i think it's tend of the probe which tells us something about the indictments. one asking about historic >> and here's what people have standards and nermz of the to remember. there are a couple of parallel swiftness of the investigation and the number of people close processes going on here. to the president that were criminal indictment, that's one indicted and convicted, the process. oversight on the hill. that's an entirely different number of russians indicted, the process. and it's possible that there is
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conduct related in the mueller specificity of the information given about russia's report that although it doesn't interference in our election. ring a bell for criminal it's a signal accomplishment for prosecution or the president is exempt, that would ring the bell any team of prosecutors. >> chairman schiff, i trust for congress which is charged with looking at high crimes and you'll be busy over this weekend given that the attorney general says he may be briefing you and your colleagues as soon as this misdemeanors. it seems to me if he puts something out that is dra the maic or seemingly negative, weekend. mia wiley, thank you for many that's only going to fuel the more. i want to turn to two colleagues interest of all parties, both sides, whatever you want to call of mine covering the story for it, to get even more information the entire 22 months. chuck todd and nicole wallace, part of our special continuing and want to on a historic night, coverage right now. put up the length of the other chuck, what does tonight mean? reports. iran-contra, 566 pages. >> you're going to have a legal the star report, which everyone battle between the congress and the justice department and how much we see and what we see and remembers, 445 pages. that will be good for plikdz. the larger political battle is as we head into the weekend we what to do about what's learned have the question marks. based on your interaction with in it. the team, do you think bob
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right? we still have to know what's in mueller wrote up a lot of it. but, you know, if there is a evidence that we'll see? >> i think for sure he wrote up pretty solid obstruction case that gets laid out here, and a lot of evidence. but just as you noted, this is not an independent counsel. this is the special counsel regulations w very never seen a mueller decided no the to indict report under these guidelines before. so we really don't have a road it, he is mr. by the book, map. i think that, you know, it's not right? and the book said sitting time to spike the football, i agree, however, there has been president can't be indicted, this narrative out there that then this congress is going to bob mueller has been leaving have big decisions to make. bread crumbs in the previous doiment and first round of the the democratic side is more about the presidential russian nationals, he noted there were potentially unwitting americans potentially involved. then you come to the roger stone indictment. there is that paragraph that we conditioned dat candidates though. were all talking about was look at the president's behavior directed, who is doing the this week. if this is any indication, directing of roger stone to get because he's been bracing for mueller all week. that information. so i think there was this idea the entire mccain episode was that there was going to be this final round of indictments. triggered by mueller. he's been absolutely and george and we're hearing today that there just isn't. >> and that tells you what? conway questioned the stability. >> it tells -- >> as someone who faced -- i think he's very stable here. this is just a man who is >> that narrative that this was obsessed with one thing. all an elaborate setup that and you saw it in this there was an elaborate piece of the puzzle waiting for that last
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irrational thing about mccain. element which was americans it is all driven by mueller. colluding with russians. and so he is a wild card here. it clearly is not part of the special counsel's move forward at this point. >> so now we're really getting into it. >> yeah. >> i'm going to give a followup you to and let nick come back in and then we might dial in maia >> a locht tt of folks i talk t by phone. this is the beginning of the let's talk about one of the beginning of a brand new phase. breadcrumbs. the roger stone indictment says there is evidence that people on the counter intelligence the trump campaign were investigation that he opened attempting to collude, were into donald trump after the firing of jim comey, that was -- asking for help from wikileaks. that's a recent revelation in terms of information in the public sphere. we didn't know that all along mule her inherited a counter bob mueller finished. intelligence investigation to answer this question. he didn't unseal any is donald trump working for indictments. that is a fact. if you're watching. russia? when we talk about the politics, i'm sure chuck is right about so you're saying you view that it. but that sbasis based on what w as a exoneration? know now. a counter intelligence investigation of anyone doesn't >> no, absolutely not. >> you view it as what? end in an indictment. >> i think we really need read there say lot of coverage about carefully the section on indictments. mueller didn't have any more declinations and the reasoning indictments. i think our network or news for the declinations given this organization has known that. bad conduct that you note and
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the counter intelligence investigation is more than a flashing yellow light for the administration and congress. wlosh to say what we know what the what the reasoning behind it is. it's unclear whether mueller is politics are right now is going go into an analysis of the ludicrous. until we know how the questions were answered, bob mueller had law and whether or not does he feel that all of the elements of access to in the just all the obstruction of justice were met. >> so i'm going to say this intercept intelligence from u.s. again for viewers joining us on intelligence agencies, he saw the big news night. you faced mueller's everything everybody heard. investigators. and you have to go back to the you reached a deal on behalf of summer of 2016 to sort of george who reportedly started this whole probe off. remember just how alarmed the i know you don't like it when we intelligence community was. not just about russian meddling say. that and you were saying this is not an exoneration because it but about this bizarre really depends on whether intersection between the trump mueller lays out a bunch of campaign and russian meddling. terrible stuff that he also may those are questions that someone not see chargeable. is going to need to know the quick thought then bring in jim. answers to before we turn the >> i've been saying the diagram, page on the mueller chapter. >> and that goes to what we may there is unseemly political and find out about this weekend. it is extraordinary to have the gross conduct that we as sitting attorney general saying americans should not allow and i got it. then there is criminal conduct. i got the football. and i might be passing off sometimes they overlap. details of it by this weekend. and sometimes they don't. now we're moving into the >> yeah. >> that's weekend work for the portion of which don't overlap. >> stay with me. justice department and members we turn to yet another former of congress who are eager. mr. bar would have well been within his rights to say by next federal prosecutor who faced bob
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friday. he didn't do that. >> yeah. but don't forget, there is mueller's investigators. thanks for making time. caveats in that letter. he may simply say here were the pick up on the conversation we just had, your view. >> there very important decisions. but he may not give the reasons circumstantial evidence that the for them, right? president and his advisors broke he may just say he declined to do this but not give the reason. computer crimes, laws, and >> right. >> and that language principle directed the distribution of conclusions will be very interesting, chuck and nicole. stolen e-mails. thanks for staying over with me. both of those things are serious i know you both are doing a lot federal felonies that people of work. we're going to be seeing a lot of you. i bring in now former acting generally don't lie about things that they're not concerned solicitor general. he wrote the rules governing about. this special counsel probe. there is so much lying about the i can also mention tonight relationship and meetings with something we were going to mention on the beat soon. he is a new nbc news and msnbc russia, lying about the contact legal analyst, congratulations. we'll talk more about that on with julian assange at another night that is less busy. wikileaks. and just remember, polling data let's start with the core was given over to the russians. question on the rules that you wrote. do you see the letter that mr. barr submitted to congress as the only reason do you that is if you were helping the russians the right and proper first step to micro target the american under your written rules? voters. those are pieces we know. >> absolutely. there is not a lot we don't it's the right first step. i think what happened today is a know. but the circumstantial evidence
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in this case cannot be ignored. chapter, an important chapter >> stay with me. has concluded the mueller as promised, msnbc legal analyst investigation. but it is only the end of the chapter. maia wiley joins us by phone. and now there are further chapters to be written. what is this report's filing one is what does this report tonight mean to you? >> good evening. >> i think firstly, it means we actually say it's dealing with a all need to take a deep breath. president. is this the only book? is this the mueller report going because as everyone has already to be comprehensive? said, this really isn't over it is going to cover the southern district investigation even though there is a report. about campaign finance. all these other things about the because the issue is what are trump foundation. or is it limited just to the facts that we can assess as obstruction of justice and russian conspiracy? >> let me read you to from the citizens for ourselves? letter again which is going to and we are going to get more be a very important template for everything that comes next. facts. so what we know is robert mueller is not going to indict he said that is about conclusions. more people. then he talks about this wider what we do not know, what we do set of information. a lot of people what they think not know is whether or not we of in the mueller report. should be assessing as citizens i intend to consult with deputy attorney general and special whether or not we have either a
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counsel mueller to determine what other information from the can be released to congress and corrupt and criminal president or one that is competent one public. how do you determine that input that will kprims national security. and those are significant issues for the american public. and barr is suggesting he seems i'm going to push you on that a to think he'll have their little. i want to be very clear with agreement in the transparency this big news. not what people that he does or does not apply to what mueller found. that is a belief in that mueller finished and the count was 47. transparency, a belief that american public should see this not 45, not 50. report because after all, it is wouldn't you say that does mean something. one of the most momentous that is a new fact we know documents, you know, ever produced by any federal official before 5:00 p.m. ever. so i think all of that is right. >> the reason it is so important i think you're also right to say the special counsel regulations that so many are calling for don't necessarily require transparency is because, as themselves the report to be everyone has already pointed public. but they don't forbid it either out, the issue is did he think he had enough evidence to charge t and you're dealing with other people but -- and did not? because say, there's a
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wrongdoing by the nation's most memorandum of the department of important official. justice that says he cannot? >> i want to keep you in the role of a senior justice did he believe there may have department official beyond being a rules expert. been criminal conduct but did if you'll join our prosecutor panel what is what we turn to in not feel he had eamassed enough our special coverage. evidence. many of those indictments were against russian nationals that i'm joined by joyce vance and he was never able to bring to account. john flannery. what happens when you cannot everyone is here. bring people to account where neil is here as well. you thin you have sufficient starting with you, nick, that's evidence off a crime is you have on the rules and what we're going to learn. >> right. >> what does it mean to you that more difficulty connecting some bob mueller finished work tonight. of the dots. he did not end with a bang of >> because your can rr not going to flip people floating beyond the borders. new public indictments. stay with me. it would seem unless we get as promised, i want to turn to something else unsealed that what comes next. this investigation ends with the i'm joined by mika who has 37. >> if you read the literal language in that letter, he's worked as a intelligence staffer explaining the decisions to prosecute and the declinations and carol lee, who's reporting he has reached. does that mean he is asking bar the story along with many others. it seems we now turn to two new
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for permission i don't know. processes. it certainly leaves that open. and whatever it means over the long hall to release the remaining information. >> he suggests that. >> that's exactly right. >> narrator: under the rules he we're going to want the top line must state and he never did. bob mueller is done with this job. >> if you read that language, it principals that mueller's going explains the decisions he has to -- or barr is going to give reached on prosecutions and to the ranking member and chair oz of the judiciary and senate declinations. we don't know what he reached on declinations. and house side. i don't know if the attorney general knows that. but when he uses the tense has there's two pieces i think we really want to know in the reached, does that mean he has coming days and weeks and that reached certain decisions on is what information is there on this? indicting individuals and he's what is declined to prosecute? asking for permission from the department to do that. >> but we are in a new phase. what, if anything, is there? after all of the waiting and speculation, joyce, tonight we the president can say when this can say bob mueller finished this job. very narrow particular stage of he finished the probe. he indicted 37 people or this investigation, the conclusion, this is best case organizations. six former advisors to donald scenario for him for now, depending on what is in the trump. the fastest and highest details of what was declined to indictment rate of any president ever in american history. what do you make of what we now prosecute -- know tonight? >> or you could call it better >> i think we've learned case scenario. it's not best case when six somethings and others still to
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learn. mueller has clearly made a decision that he is done advisors are indicted. i'm saying this on the record whether they like it or not. indicting for his core mission which is russian collusion during the election with members it is best case scenario that of the trump campaign. we've seen no more indictments bob mueller did not finish with in that regard. i think it's unlikely. more indictments in donald trump's orbit. >> and as you said the better but that still believes open a case scenario roit now for what we were going to learn today. range of investigation that's are underway. and then there's what we learn more about the details of the report could change that and the interesting point was not then what we learn about the -- someone who conducted a witchunt. to the extent we learn anything he stuck to his agreement, to his jurisdiction and was about the counterintelligence piece could change that. parcelling cases out that were related to financial fraud, but if you're narrowly looking at mueller, which has been a nonrussian cases to southern district of new york. cloud for two years since the president came into office, this russia investigation has hung over the white house. and obviously we've seen a flurry of investigations at this is not as bad of a day as some would have thought. >> to mika, who's been patiently state a.g.'s offices. there is no indictment of the president personally. waiting and we haven't got to yet. bad news in the sense that there but your view. is still on going investigation >> i think carol's right. of other conduct. >> john flannery, your view? that the counterintelligence
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>> i may be the voice of the piece, as adam schiff said, is really important. people talking about this remember trump has been defining development. but i think that the process is the standard by which he's going to be judged as narrowly as outkoum determinetive. possible. we were put on notice that trump was upset with sessions because and the question of criminality he wouldn't kill the and foreign collusion which is investigation and now we're not really a legal term. asked to credit the conduct of it's actually a much broader question than that. bar to proceed properly. high crimes and misdemeanors. my concern as a former prosecutor and looking at we have a situation unique to mueller who has done so well up trump and to our naez's history. to this point is whether or not there was pressure to close this and that's the foreign influence. thing down. and i think we would be remiss we don't know what evidence if we didn't have mueller up on mueller has uncovered in his the hill talking about what he investigation that might give did and why there was no more in congress adizzal questions to ask on those issues. the investigation. >> let's speak to that, john. >> beginning with jim. you're saying something that congressman schiff did not say. in a sentence so we don't take too much time from other people. and the judiciary will have time as we look at tonight's big news to review all this. and you know awe lot about the congressional side of this. that we will learn through the they're keeping their powder try congress, what does tonight's filing of the mueller report to see whether bar is going to after 22 months and 37 do what he says he's going to indictments mean in a sentence? do. >> he is going to have disclowe first, jim.
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sthurz are probably limited. >> it means another process is going to begin and that process is going to depend on the facts that mueller found. >> carol. >> it means there are no more and that's what and o those are indictments but there is a whole host of other things that could numbers. i'm going go back and ask mumue become problematic in terms of v vezs for this president. >> the a turns to congress and and rosen sign and it's in this what they're going to do with the president next. >> neal. stuff. i could be wrong. i'm looking at the character or >> it's all about now public lack of character of bar and how disclosure, public disclosure. he was chosen and what he said on the hill and how he was going are we going to learn what's in to follow what protocols were on this mueller report? the hill. because as mika said it goes to probably including the letter which goes back some time which the competence of the president as well as to possible krupgsz. talks about nondisclosure of corruption. investigations. a very strong statement. and we'll find that out in the days ahead. but before we celebrate and sing >> here onset, starting with that finally we have a report caroline who's work would with the mueller team directly. that we think might be 400 pages >> it's the end of an era, quite and tells us everything, i think literally. we should pump the brakes twice. and we're beginning a new i don't think this justice chapter in this entire saga. department, i don't think this president, i don't think >> watch for the president to
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giuliani or any of these people would let that happen. start arguinging that the full >> i don't know about that. report shouldn't be released. i mean, i think -- bob mueller >> though he said it was barr's is going to put what he wants to decision and down with it going put in that report. he's going to put in exactly public. >> in light of the way he's been what he found, what he intends talking about it, he'll start to do or not do, why he complain eventually that some prosecuted certain individuals and didn't. things are going to be out? i mean, there are no -- there's >> left out? no question about it. >> i don't know what it is. there are open issues right now. that we do not have information >> and while i have you, your about. that's the part -- initial attempt at defying bob >> john is saying let's not just mueller? sing and as lawyers and >> yes, at the end of the it day journalists, we tend to look at what i didn't think was fair was evidence and be skeptical, the quick turn around, all the appropriately so. on the flip side, i do think, neil, that mr. barr is trying at documents ib h documents i had to produce. least in his public messaging i think they acted fairly. here to say that bob mueller is >> and no one who's faced in on it. mueller has successfully defied bob mueller is not exactly a him, nor been acquitted. shrinking wallflower when it comes to making sure that the integrity and the findings are handled in what he views as the right way. so neil, with that in mind and do you think that record will continue? >> he's going to say he can get
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the bear hug that has been issued tonight by bar around mueller saying, hey, i'm keeping an indictment over the light him in. that mueller has found a he's done with the probe. conspiracy. he's going to be involved, and then let's look at what barr excuse me a pardon. said under oath about all this. take a look. >> do you think he'll win or >> i'm going to make as much sfluz. >> it's a difficult case. information available as i can >> you think roger stone will consistent with the rules and lose. regulations that are part of the >> there are lots of unanswered questions here. special counsel regulations. for example what was the >> how does he do that? connection between wikileaks and and what happens if later mueller wants more out than he the campaign? does? would we learn about that? who directed the russians to could mueller then testify? release the emails, the stolen >> i you this it's possible for emails right after the access muler to testify. the first thing to note for why hollywood tape within 30 i think john might be wrong minutes? why did -- who directed the about this is barr's letter release of the emails just today says something before the democratic national significant, i as attorney general and all my predecessors convention? if it was somebody in moscow who as actings attorney general didn't overrule mueller on was that politically anything. so we're learning something very sophisticated, then we've got real problems. important that is required by the regulations that he is to make that certification or to if say if there had been it was somebody in the trump campaign, we've got real overrulings. so, you know, i'm not one to who problems. i think it's really important is normally praising this congress gets to the bottom of
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justice department. those issues. but it does look like at least >> maya in a sentence. according to that statement there was no interference by any >> ditto to all that's been said and donald trump is going to attorney general. >> neil, let's build on that have a very hard time explaining point. you know, i'm going to try to do why jared kushner would get it in plain english. if you believe the report, security clearances and not use his article two power to wave donald trump repeatedly tried to any security concerns for interfere. and tried to shut down stuff in releasing the full report? new york. >> i'm look for an answer to it and tried according to the "new york times" to ask other people this question. is bill barr the people's lawyer to basically constrain or remove or is he the president's lawyer? bob mueller himself. and what we see tonight, i think and we'll find out he's the it's worth basically taking this people's lawyer if he agrees to be fully transparent and turns in for your analysis, neil, what we see tonight is that part of all the evidence and documents the system seems to have beat together over to congress so the back and defeated donald trump's american people can get the answers they deserve. attempts. his own white house counsel >> my that knows to our entire reportedly going to bob mueller panel and all of our spells and saying, listen, he's asked coverage. me to try to break the law and let me close with a thought about what has happened. get you fired. i'm not going to do it. now what does america do about this entire investigative that? you walk us through it. but isn't that a good piece of process began because donald news? this probe finish? trump did something remarkably >> it is a good piece of news. stupid and self interest.
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there is one important caveat. i don't think that the letter he publicly fired james comey, today deals with the southern came up with a fake cover story district of new york that's been exposed and then put investigation at all. >> about you what the about the pressure on the justice firing? department. >> sure. i'm not giving anyone a clean bill of health. before we get ahead, sometimes rod rosenstein, fresh from his appointment tapped bob mueller we jump on even chairman schiff for this role. is right is telling us about all the other things. here we are about 22 months but tonight is the mueller report. later and bob mueller has racked what does it tell that you after 22 months bob mueller stayed on up 37 different indictments in the job and finished when he this country and abroad and chose to, not at donald trump's secured so far an unblemished record. insistence that he leave he hasn't been over ruled in his earlier? >> nobody knows mueller is investigative techniques, surprised by that. warrants, searches and even going after the sitting the good news is the system president's lawyer. held. that didn't happen. we've had a huge public debate about what this all means and my important point is everyone there are a lot of bad faith should understand this is just abters want to convince you you about a limited mueller investigation and as joy said, there are a bunch of other should automatically mistrust our institutions or process. investigations including most prominently the southern one. it's usually pretty easy to tell who they are and what their agenda is because they don't
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we're going to bring in richard want you to believe anything works. tonight the system worked. bloomenthal, at that point what will americans take from this. the attempts to fire bob mueller failed. some follow this closely. others don't. and what comes next involves our they keep hearing it may come out. they say tell me when it does. congress, our public, you. well, america, it just came out. so stay tuned, stay involved and and bob mueller finished the job thank you for watching our and had had a high indictment special coverage on "the beat." rate. what do you make of that part of this sunday i'm learning 9:00 this? >> you know, it did come out. and bob mueller diagnosed a p.m. eastern a special on the problem that took place with our weebds. elections. but don't go anywhere because the russians tried to influence it. they tried to troll us online. chris matthews takes over our they hacked embarrass. continuing breaking coverage they did everything that they right now. could to help this president. mueller has landed. so mueller's done a remarkable job in that way. let's play "hardball." i really agree with neil that we ♪ need to give bill barr the opportunity here to do what he commits to doing in this letter to being transparent. as a prosecutor when i declined on a case, i had a form in my good evening, i'm chris matthews. office that we had to fill out. the investigation is over and and when you died not to according to a senior doj prosecute somebody, you've been official there is no further investigating, you have to say indictments. why. it may nobody federal offense no charges against the president, his children or
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associates after all those meetings with the russians. evident. it may be weaker and not only that insufficient evidence. we don't have prove beyond a reasonable doubt. the most interesting thing is that key question here that bill bar why didn't bob mueller take action against the president? it could be that he complied with doj's policy against indicting a sitting president. >> which goes towards transparency. the only reason you didn't do it is that policy. then congress is the other check. do you want to give a number before i bring in the senator. >> i number of how many people decline to charge? >> that is really -- that is not fair. we respect if you don't have the answer. stay with me. i'm going to bring in senator richard bloomenthal and we should mention a former prosecutor. thanks for joining me, senator.
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>> thank you. >> what does this mean that mueller is finished, that he's filed his report and that bob barr filed this letter. >> it concludes a very productive and effective investigation. it requires now absolute and complete transparency. that has been one of the theme of the day for exactly the reasons that you just articulated. >> for folks joining us on this big night, bob mueller does this for 22 months. he indicts 37 people and organizations. you say that's a floor and not a ceiling. >> it's a floor in terms of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and the department of justice policy. it's only a policy. it's not a rule or regulation. that a sitting president cannot
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be indicted. so there are obviously other investigations that have been spun off by facts in evidence. i think there is a likelihood that there are indictments and this president's future. >> i'm going to push you, senator. i'm going to push way from new york. we cover that story. we'll keep covering it. i want to stay on the mueller report tonight and ask you something i haven't had a chance to ask anyone in congress yet. do you view this ending of the mueller report in this way is an indication that bob mueller didn't find chargeable collusion or election conspiracy by americans? >> i think there is no basis to draw that conclusion.
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he failed full disclosure. he declined. that is the maun reason i voted against had his confirmation. and what we need -- >> this is the debate we're all getting to. if the white house implies that this could be good news or if people at doj start saying here's the little bit we put out and obviously there is no collusion indictment, so that part is over. you're saying if that were true, they must release the rest of it and people can draw their own conclusions. zbl . >> the white house ought to support full transparency. he backs it. and if he really is in favor of full transparency, he'll back the bill. there should be full disclosure. the american people paid for this report. they deserve to know what's in
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it. and the public has a right to know. so if the folks who are saying oh, well we have no objection to all the facts and evidence coming out are really serious and sincere, they'll back the bill that senator chuck grassley or republican of iowa and i introduced with growing support including most recently john kennedy of louisiana and patrick leahy of vermont. >> i want to push you on something else. we are seeing indications this is the end. bob mueller is done. does that mean there are no possible indictments left or do we not know that yet? >> i think there is a strong possibility of additional indictments including president trump's family. maybe not by the department of
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justice. i know you want to stick to the mueller report. but the mueller report cannot be viewed in isolation. >> if you have a question for the senator on this newsy night, i'm curious what you want to know from this member of the judiciary committee. >> well, i agree with you. i think there could be the possibility of a sealed indictment. i think it's a tough one though. i would expect that to come out by now. just since the report has been trans mitted for over an hour. my gut that is not likely. there could be indictments in other investigations in the southern district and investigation and others. i think for senator bloom
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enthal, if the president asserts xoo executive privilege in some way, what is the committee prepared to do about that? >> key question. first, and i hope you agree with me, there are no -- there is no executive privilege as to they cannot invoke executive privilege on his behalf to cover up. indeed, i think there is no right and proper review on part of the white house of any of the facts and evidence. it's for the justice department. i think the remedy is to subpoena the facts and evidence and body of documents and interviews and even grand jury material. the judge has the right and in my view the responsibility here to waive the protection that normally applies.
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there is overwhelming public interest and transparency as possible. >> let's pause on the point you're making so can you build on it, senator. you're referring to the fact that in normal cases anything that goes before that super seeker grand jury stays secret. they rose to the level of criminally organizing it and what that means given that some of those people are in power running the government overseeing the intelligence agencies and some of them are headed to prison. >> good point. >> so with all that, walk us through what you mean when you refer to 6 e which we love the details. you're referring to the idea that this is one the best public interest arguments for releasing that. >> the argument for releasing
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this information? but the judge in charge thfr grand jury. it is an arm of the court appointed by the court. to do the court's work. and the judge has the power to waive 6-e in a case exactly like this one where a special prosecutor or a special counsel has been appointed precisely because there has been a potential betrayal of public trust. a very unusual and special set of circumstances that justifies, in fact, the release of information that otherwise might not be by the department of justice because there is a policy and it is well justified that derogatory or disparaging information about someone who has not been indicted should not be released. i followed it. i followed the united states attorney.
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sometimes my utter frustration because i had a lot of information about bad pechlt i couldn't talk about it. >> but now you're going down memory lane as a prosecutor. what i'm going to do here is keep neil who is going to add to that. senator, i know that you learned about this from that letter that went to congress at 5:15. raily appreciate you as a member of the judiciary committee willing to give your first reaction on the beat. i trust we're calling on new the days ahead. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> neil stays with me. but i want to reset here as we're about half past the hour and tell what you is going on. bob mueller has been working for 22 months. he's indicted 37 people or organizations and many weanderig when would he finish. tonight he finished. reporters tracking this case all undislosed location of the special counsel and the photograph that went around and bob mueller arriving to work, everyone is wonldberg this. i want to turn to one of our reporters now who is on this case from the start.
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julia anzly. we did a lot of the implications. why don't we start in walking us through what happened late today as you started to get the clue that's bob mueller was done. >> i would love to tell you about that. we have protesters behind us. that might even be the least stressful thing that happened today as this drum you hear behind me. we've been on pins and needles down here. really every day this week. starting around maybe early wednesday. we had a sense that the justice department is preparing for this report. reporters across theciy that cover the justice department and white house and congress all started to put our pieces together and realize something is coming soon. people started to get into
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place. one of the pieces was that some of robert mueller's prosecutors left for the day. they left that office early. again, put our antenna up. we started to thinking maybe something was coming. and then late in the day the justice department reporter stacked together in the hallway waiting for the key person who is going to give us information i grabbed this letter and ran to the camera. later we went back to fill in some of the details. and at that point we heard from a senior justice department official that piece about how there are no further indictments in this report from mueller at this time.
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we saw a lot of that this week. we know there is a lot more work to be done as we cover what comes next when the attorney general does give his conclusions to congress. i have to say the show is called the beat and the protester behind you living up to. that i have to say, you've been able to speak very clearly. we can hear everything. i know when you're out there you're wondering. we can hear you very well much the last question before you go. i know you're working the story all night. when you walk through how that felt and what is going on at d.o.j., did you ever get clues and not saying we know what's going to happen next but clues about just the way bar has done
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