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good morning. from right here in msnbc headquarters in new york. it is 7:00 a.m. in the east. we welcome to "weekends with alex witt." the mueller report in the hands of the attorney general. how much will be revealed to the public? plus. the end of the beginning of the investigation not the beginning of the end. >> there are enormous number of lingering questions. >> he's now passing that baton on to other people. >> why mueller's findings may not be the final word for the president and perhaps his
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family. new this morning, waiting for any word the attorney general releasing to congress. top conclusions of the mueller report as more and more democrats demand to see the full special counsel's investigation. william barr sent the letter to the top congressional leaders announcing that mueller completed the investigation on russian election interference and possible collusion. here is what we know. barr is reviewing the report. he says he could send to congress mueller's conclusions. it could happen as soon as this weekend. the special counsel is not recommending more indictments after charging 34 people. the president's lawyer insists they are not trying to have an early peek into the findings. the white house has not been briefed on the content of the report. the chair of the senate judiciary committee had this warning. >> the justice department doesn't release the whole report
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or tries to keep it secret, we will subpoena parts of the report and reserve the right to call mueller to testify before the committee or subpoena him. >> then the house intelligence chair laying out how crucial this is for the president and inner circle. >> the congress is going to need the underlying evidence because some of that evidence may go to the compromise of the president or people around him that poses a real threat to our national security. >> coming up soon, i'll speak with senator richard blumenthal who says the end of the mueller report may lead to new charges. >> i think there is a strong possibility of additional ind t indictme indictments. including president trump's family. maybe not by the department of justice. by other offices. >> but for today, the president is in mar-a-lago with two top white house lawyers and other aides. listen to how he framed the
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mueller report hours before it was released. >> a deputy that didn't get any votes, appoints a man that didn't get any votes, is going to write a report on me. i had one of the greatest election victories in history. i have a man to write a report on me to make a determination on my presidency? people will not stand for it. >> joining me now is danny cevallos and federal prosecutor cynthia oxney and jeff jacobovitz. let's start with you, cynthia. i want to get your take on representative adam sch hiff sa about the national security threat. do you believe in the release we will learn what is behind the president's behavior toward russia? >> i think in this initial report that we get this weekend,
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we we're going to find out about any conduct that he believes was criminal. that is separate from the counter intelligence investigation. that takes more scrubbing. that takes more time to prepare. to make sure that there's no sources and methods. i hope soon we get information on were any americans involved in the conspiracy to interfere with the american elections and what do we know about the obstruction following that? that's what i'm looking for this weekend. i do think it is more time until we get counter intelligence information because that's more difficult to clear that through. >> what do you think, danny? i think adam schiff wants an explanation for trump's behavior toward russia. >> he may want it, but he is not necessarily going to get it. we have to prepare for the fact that the public will likely never see the mueller report in
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the form submitted yesterday. for several reasons. number one, the rules say it must be confidential. number two, there is information in there that is either grand jury material or classified. that may also never see the light of day. and then, the requirements are the attorney general comes up with a summary to congress. that's what he's required to do. those are the bare bones. that's the floor. he can submit more. but the notion that congress or the public would be able to see the original draft of the mueller report in all its glory is just unreasonable. congress member schiff knows that on some level. it is understandable that the congress and public want to see everything in the mueller report. you played that piece of trump talking about the appointed mueller who is not elected. virtually every human in the
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executive branch is appointed, not elected. that includes cynthia when she was a prosecutor. she was not elected. she was appointed. every person in the executive branch is appointed except for the president. >> good point, danny. jeff, there were no new indictments, does that mean there is not enough to indict or is it not enough to convict. is that possible? >> that is possible, alex. we don't know what he sent out to other u.s. attorneys and whether there were sealed ind t indictments in new york which could be a sealed indictment that will not be unsealed until he is out of office. we don't know that. there could be other sealed indictments as well. at the end, mueller was farming out indictments to d.c. and virginia and new york. you have the southern district investigating. barr will not be able to control
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the southern district. they are independent in their own mind. they will continue to investigate. >> sealed indictments. the possibility of that, cynthia, if that is something that is within the mueller report. is that the kind of thing that a.g. barr would have to tell congress this weekend? would that be one of the top of the line details he would have to offer to congress? >> you would think so. nbc news is reporting there aren't sealed indictments from mueller. we don't know if there are sealed indictments in d.c. under the purview of the u.s. attorney's office or in virginia in the eastern district. let me say this about the president and sealed indictments. bob mueller is a rule follower. the rule is you may not indict a sitting president. so it was unlikely that bob mueller would ever try to push that rule. it is not in his dna. i'm more interested in finding
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out what he thinks about the conduct of the president and whether or not but for the rule there was enough information and evidence to indict. that's what we need to see. but for the rule. he was never going to indict the president. ever, ever, ever. >> essentially my question to jeff was about that as well. danny, to you now. barr will consult with rosenstein and mueller to quote determine what other information from the report can be released to congress and the public consistent with law. mueller investigated. he did not prosecutor hand over to others. is there a chance that we see future criminal referrals? >> yes, it is possible. we have to be prepared for the fact that the mueller report and barr summary may not be a tale of prosecution. it may be a tale of non prosecution. we know about mueller's
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prosecutorial decisions. he indicted several individuals. in the indictments, he included a jubilee of facts you don't see in federal indictments. that was mueller telling his tale of who he chose to prosecute. far more likely, the report may contain decisions of non prosecution. within there are two different categories. one is, somebody did bad things, but not enough to indict. that could include the president because he believes he can't indict him. it may include information about people that did not do anything wrong. that is why we chose not to prosecutor ie on his oindict. it is more about who has done bad things and should be prosecuted going forward. >> jeff, to that, the president's son. don junior. what does this tell you about the trump tower meeting in june
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and why mueller may not have been able to convict on that? >> it definitely means mueller may not have been able to convict. what that means -- actually, if the hill calls him to testify, now the issue is does don junior have fifth amendment privilege and would he have to testify in front of congress? there were other people involved in that meeting as well. we don't know, also, whether mueller referred that to the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. for any perjury action against don junior. we don't know that. it is premature. we haven't seen the report. >> also prematurely, but not outside of the possibility, jerry nadler said robert mueller may be called to testify. what are the circumstances where that could happen? >> that is a real possibility. there are -- it feels like the ground shifting. all of the questions that are left unanswered.
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for instance, why wasn't don junior interviewed? we need an answer to that. adam schiff said he believes he percenta perjured himself in front of his committee. we need to know the answer bob mueller gave a draft indictment. we need to know the answer. why is that? we need to know about all of these declanation decisions made. for everybody else, and for the basic obstruction question, we are going to need to hear from bob mueller and hear the whole report. people say he doesn't have to give the report because of the material or this or that. there is a lot of history in the
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justice department when as important public policy to open up and actually get full information to the public. that is done in the civil rights division that i served in for a long time as in the ferguson report and mlk report. we need to actually use that exception so the american people can see the whole thing. nobody will be satisfied if the american people are stone walled. >> danny, cynthia, jeff, stay here. i'm joined by our two journalists. good morning to both of you. triggered quite the reaction across washington. there is an under lining theme or consensus you are hearing there? >> alex, the biggest thing we are hearing is democrats believe u.s. attorney general william barr needs to release his memo about the principle conclusions
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of the mueller report, but to release all of the under lying evidence. anything short of transparency is a mistake. many congressional leaders on the hill signaling they would go so far to subpoena that information. he said he could send over his memo and conclusions to congress as early as this weekend. one thing i found interesting listening to you and the candidates running for president. you heard kamala harris say she doesn't think congress needs all of the information. she is calling on william barr to testify before congress on the mueller report findings. >> that was a key point. she did go a step further with that. kevin, your main take aways with the doj saying no further indictments. what does it tell us? >> no further sealed indictmen s
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s. that is big for jared kushner and ivanka trump and corey lewindowski. that is a broad take away. from the 2020 perspective, elizabeth warren said there needs to be more transparency. in addition to that, senator gillenbrand. she will formally announce she is running for president. we are far from finished from hearing about this. >> thouse in the trump orbit lie hope hicks. are they all out of the woods? i'm asking our attorney,
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cynthia. her thought on that. >> you can spin it that way because the question for corey lewandowski and hope hicks was when they were involved in covering up the june meeting, hope hicks, not corey. she was involved with the fake statement on the june meeting, that is due with obstruction. it looked like it stayed within robert mueller's purview. they can breathe a sigh of relief. >> juana, sorry i interrupted you. go ahead. >> it is not clear yet by washington standards. it is important to point on the this investigation is remarkably leak free. there are people who get off scot free. we don't know yet until william barr makes the reports to congress and we hear details or something publicly released, we are not able to fill in the blanks.
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report? u.s. attorney general william barr says he might divulge some details as early as this weekend. joining me now is correspondent pete williams and kelly o'donelo'donel o'donne o'donnell. she is traveling with the president. pete, how soon is congress going to find out what is in the report? is the attorney general obligated to make it public? >> reporter: he is not obligated to make it public under the rules. it doesn't call for anything public of the conclusions of the report. only the bare bones of who was prosecuted and who mueller declined to prosecute. barr is studying it now. he is well aware of the intense interest by congress and the public in finding out as much about it as possible. s>> formally ending his investigation two months shy of two years after he was
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appointed. to find out whether anyone in the trump campaign helped the russians meddle in the election. following federal rules, mueller submitted the report to u.s. attorney general william barr. in a letter to the house committee, barr says the report explains who mueller prosecuted and investigated, but did not prosecu prosecute. the letter said barr may find the principle clonclusions this weekend. mueller did not follow through with more indictments. as to what else can be revealed about the mueller report, barr said in the confirmation hearing he understands the intense interest. >> i am going to make as much information available as i can that are part of the rules. >> reporter: in his letter to congress, barr will consult with
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mueller and deputy attorney general rod rosenstein about how much of the mueller report can be made public beyond the bare bones of who was prosecuted and who was not. the house was urging barr to release the whole thing. now barr has to decide how much to be made public. in all, mueller indicted 34 people as the result of the investigation. six of the people were closely tied to the trump campaign, but none of those were ever charged with helping russia meddle in the election. alex. >> wait a minute, pete. william barr said he will release as much information as possible as is consistent with the law. you are saying that legally speaking, he does not have to release any. is it possible that other than the perhaps bullet points he gives to congress, that would be it? >> reporter: i think what the justice department is trying to struggle with here is two conflicting things.
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on the one hand, mueller is under the rule, suppose to tell the attorney general about people he investigated, but didn't charge. normally speaking, the justice department doesn't do that. if it investigates somebody and doesn't bring charges, you don't blab about it. you think the hillary clinton is the notable exception to that. of course, yes. you may recall how that ended. that's the interest, i think, on the one hand that the justice department is struggling with. on the other hand, barr knows the need to get out as much information as possible. that is what they are trying to balance right now. they want to tell congress as much as they can. they are well aware. they get the papers at the justice department. they know that congress won't be satisfied with whatever they give them. >> okay. always satisfied with whatever you give us. pete williams, thank you. let's get reaction from the white house. kelly o'donnell is in west palm
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beach. she is traveling with the president. kelly, what are the main findings there? >> reporter: this doesn't feel like the usual kind of weekend when the president leaves washington for the warmer weather of florida and little bit of a break. yet, we also so often look to the president's twitter feed for some measure of his mood and feelings. no indications there this morning. the president has not been tweeting. he has spent time with his family having dinner at mar-a-lago last night joining friends and supporters at a separate gop fund-raiser held on the grounds of his property. it is his administration and his re-election campaign that has to look at all of this and prepare for any legal and political fallout still to come. uncharacteristic calm. after nearly two years of storm. >> let it come out. let people see it. that's up to the attorney general. >> reporter: this weekend may not be a typical relaxing get an
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away. senior staff who rarely make these weekend trips joined the president at mar-a-lago. two top white house lawyers, plus a larger press team. including press secretary sarah sanders. the next steps are up to attorney general barr and we look forward to the process taking its course. the white house has not received or been briefed on the special counsel's report. from the president's outside personal lawyers, rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. we are pleased the office of the special counsel delivered the report to the attorney general. giuliani also telling nbc news, the president's legal team is not demanding early access to the report saying that is up to the department of justice and they are confident it will be handled properly. >> this should never happen to another president because most presidents would not be able to take it. >> reporter: mueller turning in
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his report caps a week where the president's emotions were laid bare. >> i got 63 million votes. now somebody writes a report? i think it is ridiculous. i want to see the report. >> reporter: from repeatedly lashing out at the late senator john mccain. >> i've never liked him much. >> reporter: to his russia probe refra refrain. >> no collusion. no obstruction. everybody knows it. it's all a big hoax. >> reporter: now left waiting on william barr's next move. >> the attorney general highly respected. ultimately will make a decision. >> reporter: the president will spend the rest of the weekend in florida. that's the schedule. heading back to washington tomorrow evening. nothing public on his agenda as far as we know. that was also true last night. he did pop into the gop fund-raiser. attendees who talked about it on social media said he did not discuss the mueller
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investigation in that setting. alex. >> if the president is there, we will have you there, too. thank you, kelly. joining me now is senator richard blumenthal. he is former attorney general of the state. senator, thank you for joining me here on saturday morning. i want to get to it, sir. have you heard directly from anyone about the mueller report? i'm curious how congress is expecting to be briefed by the attorney general in terms of how soon that could happen if you know it would happen by a letter or by a phone call or some sort of committee meeting? any idea how it happens? >> we have no idea, alex, as to the specifics of how we'll be briefed or what's in the report. we know for sure that there are reams of sddocuments and grand jury testimony and a mound, literally, of very, very significant information that the american people have a right to
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see. they paid for this investigation. they have a right to know what is in the mueller report. they deserve the mueller report. not the barr report with its conclusions and top line talking points and possibly white house review before it is released. the whole report right away is what we will be demanding. and potentially using subpoenas to obtain. we're at the beginning of potentially another battle. >> you were expecting a fully flushed out report here. any idea, sir, what is in that report? >> we know already from this very productive investigation that there is information about collusion because the manafort indictment and subsequent information has russia manipulation in the campaign.
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there were issues with donald trump on the moscow trump tower. his son welcomed incriminating information or data about hillary clinton. trump and the campaign knew about the hacked e-mails that were stolen and released. so there is a lot of information about collusion and obstruction of justice. it may not rise to the level of an indictment. proof beyond a reasonable doubt. the special counsel may have concluded he has to abide by the department of justice office of legal counsel opinion. it is not a rule, but opinion, that a sitting president can't be indicted. we need to know a lot of that information. we have an oversight function in congress. we may want to propose new laws. >> i was watching last night at 6:00 p.m. when you were giving the first reaction to ari melber. i want to take a look at what you said. here it is. >> i think there is a strong possibility of additional
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indictments. including president trump's family. maybe not by the department of justice. but by other offices. >> sir, what specifically are you referring to there? >> the southern district of new york and indictment of michael cohen has named president trump as an unindicted co-conspirator. he is a criminal in their eyes. he participated in that conspiracy. members of his family may as well. there is no aspect of trump world not under investigation. the trump foundation. trump real estate organization. the trump campaign and other associates of trump himself in the southern district of new york and the eastern district of virginia, possibly the attorney general's office in new york. we are likely to see ongoing investigations that were spawned and spun off. remember, very, very importantly, alex, this
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investigation began because of an attack on our democracy by the russians. it continues to be a counter intelligence investigation. there may be actions as a result of that ongoing fbi investigation as well and we need to take action looking forward to stop the russians from this kind of meddling, undue influence, social media manipulation in our democracy. >> senator, what does your gut tell you with regard to the reason why the president was not indicted? merely because according to the doj, he cannot be indicted because he is a sitting president or because there wasn't enough evidence to pursue conviction criminal charges that way? >> we will know more, alex, without jumping to conclusions, when we have all of the facts and evidence. that is the reason why the american public deserve to see that kind of factual
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underpinning of the conclusion. not just barr's report, but mueller's report. there are two possibilities. either the proof wasn't sufficient enough to rise to beyond a reasonable doubt. that is a tough threshold. or that legal opinion. it is only an opinion. i disagree with it that a sitting president can't be indicted. there may be a third possibility which is robert mueller is counting on the southern district of new york and other jurisdictions to take the baton and carry it. not only as to the president, but as to other associates and even members of his family. if the president is really in favor of transparency, as he said in that clip with kelly o'donnell, then he will back my bill i introduced with grassley requiring full disclosure of the
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facts and evidence. >> you heard house intel chairman adam schiff say he wants to see the full und underlining of the report. do you think that will be addressed in any conclusive way in this report? >> it will be certainly addressed insofar as the documen documents, the information collected by special counsel robert mueller sheds light on the motives and actions of donald trump. for example in negotiating the trump tower deal with moscow and then the very favorable comments he made about vladimir putin, about other kinds of dealings by the trump campaign with the russians. and afterwards, his saying to the russian ambassador that he felt relieved after he fired jim
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comey because the russia thing was off his back. his acknowledgment to the nbc interview with lester holt that the reason for firing comey was the russian thing. i think there is both public and private so far unrevealed information that could bear importantly on collusion, but obstruction of justice. that issue remains very real and very relevant. >> senator richard blumenthal. thank you for your time on this saturday morning. >> gnthank you. although the mueller report is done, hope hicks is expected to turn documents over. that could include diaries and records. i'll talk about what they are looking for from hope hicks. g fp ♪
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congress he received robert mueller's report on the russian interference on the election after 22 months of investigation. now politicians on both sides of the aisle can only wait and see what conclusions the special counsel has found. joining me now is the representative from pennsylvania. madeline dean. you sit on the house judiciary committee. have you been notified about the timing or when you may be briefed on mueller's findings? >> no, we have not. we expect to be on a conference call later today with the committee and our team and staff. we will get updates at that point. the only indication we have is from barr's letter which was a brief and succinct letter. he indicated we may get broad strokes of the report as early as this weekend. i don't think somebody as careful as he would put that out there if it wasn't happening. alex, i want to say something we
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shouldn't let pass. my deep abiding appreciation for special counsel robert mueller and his team in the bright hot lights of the conclusion of the investigation. i think we may lose sight of the fact that a lot of people worked very, very hard for the last 22 months in the most professional way to uphold the rule of law. i look forward to a full review and disclosure of the contents of the report and i thank his team. >> i want to get to the details of what you said. specifically that call, the conference call that is happening this afternoon. what time is that and who will be on the conference call? >> i've been asked to be on conference call with the committee. jerry nadler has put that together. it is 3:00 today. >> okay. regarding robert mueller and your appreciation of his efforts, but also what you want to hear from them. would that extend to having him testify before your committee at some point? >> that is a possibility. of course, that will be above my
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pay grade. that is up to the committee chairman. we also need to number one get the ckocontents of the report. that is the threshold. the american people have a right to it. everybody from democrats and republicans and including the president asked for full transparency. we deserve the contents of that report. in the course of the 22 months, there have been 34 people indicted. acce seven have pled guilty. a lot that has taken place over the course of the 22 months. we need all of the evidence of what this limited investigation was about which is russia interference in the election and what the trump administration and campaign did about it. >> does it bother you that the president never answered questions directly from robert mueller? >> no, not until i find out what is in the report. we have lots of time to look and
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do our job of oversight and investigation. you know, we are on the judiciary team. we have put out requests for documents for 81 persons and entities. there's plenty of opportunity to learn exactly what has happened here. i started by saying thank you to the mueller team and to the special counsel for being so professional and upholding the rule of law. i contrast that with what we have suffered over the course of the last two years in terms of the behavior of the administration. the brazen disregard for the rule of law. the brazen disregard for the he mu most emoluments clause of the constitution. there is more we should be doing. right now, we have to get to the bottom of this administration and president has abused power and been politically corrupt, obstructed justice. a lot of investigation to do. >> i'd like to ask about hope
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hicks. as you know it is reported she is cooperating with the committee's probe into the president. what have you learned from hope hicks? has she brought forward documents so far? does it change anything relative to her? >> i do not know what hope hicks has submitted to our committee. i imagine that will be subject of the ckoconversation later to and the days coming up. what that reveals is we need to talk to the people closest to the president. you saw the indictments included some five or six people close to the president. top people on his campaign and in his administration. so, hope hicks is one of those persons who was close to the president who would have a lot of information about the behaviors and actions of the president and administration. in terms of where there was corruption or abuse of power or obstruction of justice. >> all right. congress member dean, thank you so much. nice to see you again.
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>> thank you. joining me now is chuck todd. host of "meet the press." hello, my friend. did you get any sleep last night? that's not my first question. what i want to get to is your biggest take away from what we know so far about robert mueller's report. >> it is pretty significant there were no new indictments that came with the mueller report. a lot of chatter and speculation if he had a grand finale of sorts. donald junior in particular. never interviewed which was a clue that he could be under indictment or could be facing that. that didn't happen. i think that is why you have, i think, the president probably rushing to try to claim vindication just because no indictments follow the end of the report. beyond that, it is now a fight
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for the report. i get that. i think it is significant there were no new indictments. >> we heard from congress member adam schiff. he was talking with "the san francisco chronicle." he said i don't think what we have seen yet would persuade this congress or republicans in the congress, then the threshold of the evidence that the special couple would produce would be high to meet this. is he right about this, chuck? you think fellow lawmakers will agree with him on that? >> i think a majority of l lawmakers will agree with him on that. the reality is what it is. that is really where all of this is coming. impeachment is a political act. not a legal act. i think because of that, it is about vote counting. nancy pelosi knows how to count votes. that's why she said what she said. adam schiff is aware of that.
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there are not 20 republicans that appear open, let alone, ten republicans, to appear open to having a conversation about the president's wrongdoing. i think that's another part of this. what the president spent just about -- i think he averaged an attack a day on mueller's probe in some form saying witch hunt or no collusion since mueller got appointed. that had an impact. that had a huge impact. what did lindsey graham say at the beginning of the investigation and what did lindsey graham say last night? how he changed his tune with the president relentlessly doing this. in that sense, we have a paralyzed political environment. i'm not convinced, alex, that short of the actual recorded phone call between putin and trump talking about the wikileaks is going to somehow
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convince anybody to change their mind. i think the mueller report, i think many of the folks made up their mind on the mueller report. >> 62% in a recent poll have confidence in this report. if it is not released in full, how much push back will there be from the public on it? >> i think the more it looks like it is hidden, the more likely the public is going to be a bit skeptical of what are you trying to hide. that's why i do think you will see a large chunk of the report out there. i think it is in everybody's best interest and there seems to be consensus there no matter which side you come down on this. transparency is always the best avenue you can go to try to at lead break through the paraly s paralysis. i think we will see a big chunk of it. i have a feeling at some point we will see bob mueller testify before congress. that will be a moment in this
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country that everybody stops and hears from him. then i think that's from there, let's see what he says. let's see how the report plays out. i have to admit, myself, i want to hear it from bob mueller. i imagine others want to hear it from bob mueller. not william barr. not jerry nadler. i want to hear from bob mueller. >> i agree. chuck todd, good to see you. thank you. >> thanks, alex. ahead on "up." david gura will talk about this with senator chris coons and representative pramila jayapal. l ♪ limu emu & doug what do all these people have in common, limu?
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we don't know what the report says. think they are celebrating too soon with the lack of new indictments? >> i don't think so, as of yet. the president's argument and trump allies argument is, even if the mueller report talks about the president obstructing justice or almost getting to that cliff, at the end of the day, if they don't have collusion and have not indicted anyone on their conspiracy to defraud americans, it doesn't matter. as chuck todd said, the president is extremely strong within the republican party. he's gotten stronger the last couple weeks. i think there will be celebration. on the other hand, what you want to watch for is the president starting to argue about the transparency issue on the report. >> yeah. >> if flood is going to go through the report on executive privilege, he may ask for some of it to be withheld. if the president gets involved, that plays into the hands of the
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house judiciary. >> yep. what are the implications on the lack of indictments when it comes to it? >> i don't think there's finality with the mueller report. i believe this is, really, the beginning of the beginning as it relates to the congressional investigations and also state investigations that are happening right now. 34 individuals have been indicted, six of them very close to president trump. i want people to remember this, let's jump out of the court of law and into the court of common sense. title code 52, subsection 30121, a federal statute. it says a foreign national cannot give anything of value, anything of value to a campaign, period. that is a violation. so, here is a question. is information, negative, hurtful, damaging information about your political opponent a thing of value to your campaign? we know that coordination took
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place. we know the trump tower meeting took place, even though it was originally denied. those are items that will be further investigated by the u.s. congress. >> yep. joe, president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani told nbc news legal team, rather their legal team is not demanding an early look at the mueller report, it's up to the doj. do you interpret that to mean the president's team is waiting patiently at mar-a-lago to wait to see what happens? do you think that's what's going on? >> i think they should. nobody knows what the report says. they have to read through it, if they are able to see it, that is, and determine what the position is going to be going forward. it's too early for anybody to celebrate. we don't know what the report says. there are ongoing investigations going on on the house side and southern district of new york. >> sam, you were interviewed for mueller's grand jury. are there loose threads they are
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waiting to chase? >> sure, i'm interested to see when, exactly, the trump tower moscow negotiations started, the 2015 negotiations if it started while i was there, unbeknownst to me and what the presidents or what mueller found in terms of the president thinking that he was talking to julian assange, somehow, through intermediaries. >> thank you for that. ahead next hour on "up," the questions about the mueller report that may go unanswered. m.
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that is a wrap for me on this hour. see you at noon eastern. stay where you are, it's time for "up" with david gura. >> this is a special edition of "up." 647 days after robert mueller began his investigation into the russian government and donald trump's campaign, the investigation has finished. >> the long awaited mueller report has just been submitted. >> the attorney general is reviewing and will give those conclusions to congress. >> the mueller probe is officially over. >> according to senior justice department official, robert mueller is not recommending anymore indictments. >> if there were other sealed indictments, we would expect them to be unsealed


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