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that's our show for tonight. am joy will be back tomorrow. up next alex witt. i love being in the same studio space with you. >> i love the appreciation for all that you have for setting this story up for me and taking it from here. talk about big news. here we go. >> this is the thing. happy mueller day. >> good day to all of you from world headquarters in new york. it's 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to weekends with alex witt". the mueller report landed with dems making clear what they want. >> everything in this report and its work product should be released to congress. >> the most important thing is that the mueller report needs to be released in its entirety. >> the whole report right away is what we will be demanding. >> the end of the beginning of the investigation not the beginning of the end. >> back to the beginning, new insight into the president's son-in-law and how the firing of james comey set off is the
22-month long investigation. a historic weekend certainly. this hour, attorney general william barr reviewing the highly participated mueller report as he decides what to release to congress. here's what else we know. house democrats will strategize their next move in a conference call about three hours from now. nbc news has learned house republicans were cautiously optimistic last night during a conference call. barr told congressional leaders yesterday he may release the top conclusions from the mueller report as soon as this weekend. as for the white house, it says it has not been briefed on mueller's findings. the president is at his florida golf club as supporters seize on reporting that the special counsel is not recommending any further indictments. >> if there's no collusion that was found, it strongly vindicates president trump but raises serious questions about who is going to be held accountable at the fbi, the bad act areas that had a political
agenda. >> but this morning, i spoke with senator richard blumenthal who said the findings may fuel ongoing investigations and that the president's legal troubles are far from over. >> the president still has to face those investigations, indictments are still very possible if not likely in donald trump's future or his family's future, in the southern district of new york. >> plus, i ask former trump campaign aid sam nunberg what he wants to know from the mueller report. >> i'm interested to see when exactly the trump tower moscow negotiation started, the 2015 negotiations if it starred while i was there unknown to me. i'm interested to see what the president's or what mueller has found in terms of the president thinking that he was talking to julian assange somehow through intermediaries. >> we have a lot of people to talk to. joining me nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, national security and justice report julia ansley,
investigations reporter tom cynl analyst and congressman steve cohen on the hughes judiciary committee. we'll go out to you kelly firsts in west pom beach, florida. what more can you tell us about this 3:00 p.m. conference call? >> reporter: this is one of the ways that on a weekend especially or when there's been a recess where members of congress in their individual parties are able to communicate together and get a sense of a few things, what does leadership know, what are the immediate plans, where do members stand. and it's an opportunity to have that conversation. so sources tell us that speaker pelosi who, of course is in charge of all the democrats as well as the house and the caucus chair for democrats hakeem jeffries democrat of new york and the relevant chairpersons of the committees that would have some business related to investigations. so think of things like
intelligence and oversight and judiciary. and they'll have a chance for their membership to talk things out, to get any insights that leadership has so far about what is known to learn next steps from william barr, attorney general, who is at the department of justice on a saturday working through the report and making his initial steps. and then a chance for members to talk about it, what should come next. as we've already seen, there are democrats from the house and the senate as well as those part of the 2020 club of candidates vying for the democratic nomination who are already sort of giving their views on what they want to see and a couple of things come to mind. transparency and swiftness. democrats want to see as much or all of the mueller report made public and they want that to happen quickly. that does not necessarily shape what they would do because they have the power with the gavel and the control of the house to take their own investigations forward, but certainly
understanding what was found in the mueller report, what was left perhaps unfully sort of vetted or investigated, where they might pick up and take new direction. that's part of what we expect. but this afternoon's conversation is members only and it's just a start. alex? >> kelly o in west pom beach. let's go now to nbc news national security and justice reporter julia ansley and tom winter, our dynamic duo. there are new developments at the justice department. give us the latest. >> reporter: so alex, behind me i can tell you that the attorney general william barr is reviewing the mueller report that was delivered to him yesterday afternoon. and once he is finished with that, he will give that kind of shortened version to congress. it will include decision sez made not to the prosecute, decisions robert mueller made not to prosecute as well as the conclusions of the report. and we can also report that we in the media and therefore, the public will get the same
information that he gives to congress. important to remember though this is just step one. after this, the attorney general will have to get into the weeds and decide what information he may be able to disclose further than what we get this weekend and whether or not that is in the public interest to report some of these findings that could otherwise be withheld. >> is there any time frame, julia, in which those two things play out? i mean the fact that we get maybe a bullet points type of thing that goes to congress versus much more elaborate detail? >> reporter: the first we know is as soon as this weekend, justice department reporters are here today in case it comes down today. it could also cop down tomorrow. they're working around the clock to get that bullet point piece out to us. the second piece doesn't have a timeline at this point. it might be that's something it the attorney general wants to take longer to deliberate about. he'll be discussing that second piece of what he releases with the deputy attorney general
rosen tine as well as robert mueller himself. >> to further this line of questioning, tom, are your sources telling you anything about what might be in this report? has it been described as being bare bones? is it very detailed? are you hearing anything like that. >> unfortunately, we have few answers at this time. we're not getting a lot of details as far as the length, size, scope of the report. we obviously we know the scope of the investigation. it was to look into the 2016 effort by the russian government to interfere in the u.s. election, whether or not that was coordinated or discussed in any way with the trump campaign. we know the scope. what we don't know is the length and breadth of an actual written report here. typically, we would see in a report like this very detailed timeline. not only of the findings of what investigators were able to come up with, but also how that investigation proceeded, some of the techniques used, some of the facts that were established underlying their conclusions. but it's not clear how much of that would be included in the
part we won't see that julia was just explaining there. it's not clear how much of that comes into the principal report or this top line summary that julia was also talking about. it's a little unclear as far as we're in uncharted territory because the last significant report like this we saw if you want to go back to the ken starr inquiry into the clinton white house, there were completely separate rules what we would see and what would come out. we're really in new territory here and also dealing with classified information. which changes things a lot as far as what agencies want to hold back, what sources and methods they want to keep close. so that's all going to factor into this. >> okay, logistically speaking, julia, you heard kelly reporting democrats have this call at 3:00 p.m. any way it's plausible that congress hearse something between now and then given how that would roll out? could that happen in the next three hours? >> reporter: i think at this point, everyone including the hill and people waiting for this
report here are all playing a waiting game because we know that this really comes down to the attorney general who is inside. as we know is still reviewing this information. so it could be that that 3:00 conference call is just to update democrats where they stand and to get ready for their messaging on this when this comes out. as soon as this weekend could mean within the next hour. it could go into early next week. unfortunately, we find ourselves back in the waiting game we were in all week. >> okay. julia, thank you for that. tom, you, as well. let's go to cynthia alksne. a couple questions quickly before i get to congressman cohen. how do you read the fact there were not any new charges nor indictments in this investigation? what does that mean? >> it means probably that family members and staff that have been named or discussed in the obstruction investigation or in
the conspiracy to collude with the russians who have not already been indicted will not be indicted. it does not mean that about the president because the president is in a unique situation with this olc memo. we need to find out as soon as possible was there no indictment involving the president because there was insufficient evidence or was there no indictment of the president because the olc memo prohibits an indictment but there was sufficient evidence? so it's one or the other. that's what we need to find out. that's the heart and soul of what we need to find out as soon as possible. >> so sarah sanders said the white house has not yet been briefed or received a report. there were reports last week that said white house lawyers wanted a chance to review the report before it's submitted. >> i'm sure they did. >> we all did, right? that said, can they claim executive privilege to hide any kind of incriminating information? can there be a legal challenge if that happens?
>> we're in a weird place about chv privilege because you would think that the executive privilege has already been waived because so many of these people went to the -- went to mueller and spoke to him already. you would think that would be a waiver. there's some weird negotiation going on about no, we said he could come but we're holding it back. that's odd to me number one. it's also odd to me that the target of an investigation or the subject of an investigation thinks he can review it before it goes to congress. so that's a strange situation. and i just don't think we know exactly how that's going to play out yet. it's a little early. we do know about executive privilege that you know, you can have executive privilege as to decisions that were made, but you can never hide criminal activity with executive privilege. so my hunch is there's going to be some investigation. barr's in a pretty strong position here to not give it to the white house legally at first. but we'll have to wait and see
what he does. >> stay right where you are. i'm going to the conversation now dominated by steve cohen, democrat from tennessee and i member of the judiciary committee. it's nice to have you back, sir. you've got about two hours and 45 minutes till you're on the call with house democrats. what you be discussing and are you expecting to find out anything on the actual report today? >> well, we hope we will. before the democratic caucus has a conference call, the democratic judiciary committee will have one. we are the committee of jurisdiction. i don't know that the calls will be that much different but we'll have more interaction with our chairman who will be the leader of our party and looking into oversight. not that chairman schiff won't do it on intelligence and chairman cummings also. it's going to be judiciary looking at a lot of the issues. so we have to wait and see what
the barr release, the high points of the mueller report. we don't really know. there's so much involved here and there's so much smoke and there's so much protestations by the president, shakespeare said the lady doing the protest too much. this man's been protesting for a long time to an extreme' degree. trump is the lady that shakespeare wrote about. >> so from what we've seen so far and what we've heard about the mueller report, no new indictments, does that is take the edge off of all of your calls for impeachment which you've made in the past and all over the place? >> well, not at all. there's a different degree of proof for an indictment and for impeachment. there's -- one is not necessarily it's high crimes and misdemeanors. that's not necessarily a criminal offense. it can be just actions by the
white house that make congress feel he's not capable of -- definite actions that demean the office and hurt the united states of america with he being president. so it's a different standard. and then the justice department regulations or policies say that you can't indict a president. it could be that the evidence came to a level where you could indict the president. we'll find out what's said by mueller and what barr allows us to see. that would certainly be a crime if he did in fact conspire with the russians. we don't know what it's going to say. there could be a lot there that's not necessarily an indictable offense but is maladministration which is something that could be considered a high crime and misdemeanor. the bottom line is oversight. impeachment is not the only thing on the table. the big thing is oversight by the people's elected election
representative for possible misdeeds and actions and for looking into whether there needs to be legislation that would prohibit certain activities by an inaugural committee, activities that would prohibit certain actions by a campaign committee. and maybe changing the special counsel legislation. i think we now see the special counsel legislation needs to be tighter and it needs to mandate a report to the congress and that some process by which we go through jointly to see what might be grand jury and what might be sources and methods but certainly not allow the white house if they are a subject to see it before it goes to congress. >> certainly that last point you're making for the sake of transparen transparency. listen to what committee chair adam schiff wants to see from mueller had here it is. >> congress is going to need the underlying evidence because some of that evidence may go to the compromise of the president or people around him that poses a
real threat to our national security. >> so the president's relationship with russia, what kind of evidence, sir, would you need to see to consider it a threat to national security? >> well, i think you'd need to know why he wrote that note to -- for his son for the trump tower meeting to claim it was about adoptions when it clearly wasn't about adoptions. it was about dirt on hillary clinton. why did he do that? he knew russia was offering information, that russia wanted to help. he knew and didn't disclose to the american public at the time and far after that he was negotiating with having a trump tower in moscow. and that had he offered to give putin immensely expensive, i think the entire top floor, he was going to give that 0 to putin. there are other indices that trump had contacts with putin. he said he talked about him and then denied but you can't hardly trust what he says. all of his actions with putin
have been suspect. so many people in his campaign and his administration lying about contacts with the russian ambassador, flynn lied. manafort lied. they all lied about this. michael cohen lied all about the russia involvement. there's something there, there's so much smoke that there's fire and you know it. but we'd like to see that. that certainly would question whether our president is looking out for his personal interests or the american interests when it comes to foreign policy and nato and -- >> a couple of people very close to the president, there have been reports that jared kushner is providing documents to your committee. i want to know what you can tell us about that and also hope hicks is reportedly cooperating with your committee. i'm curious what you may have learned from her yet, anything or the kind of information you will be looking for from her. you can take jared first and then go to hope. >> i haven't had a chance to see her see a synopsis of what either one of them have
submitted or will submit. i think they're going to submit. two speculative to make any comment on either one of their statements. >> okay. can i ask you about something you said to lawrence o'donnell last night? listen to that. >> robert mueller was limited to russian involvement in our election. we are not limited to that and we could are have laws we see that need to be passed concerning interference in our elections. >> you've said your committee does have the same limited scope that robert mueller did. can you give cousin sight into what direction the judiciary investigations may be going? >> i know we're going to have hearings on the oh mol upts clause and hearings on pardons and the pardon power and whether or not attempts to offer them will come into that will hearing whether it's obstruction of justice. we'll be looking at obstruction of justice and abuse of power and looking at emoluments clause violations. all of these are important oversight responsibilities of congress to look at and see if
there are laws that need to be changed. and if they lead to find out information that makes people think including republicans on the senate side that there needs to be impeachment to protect our country, so be it. it doesn't necessarily have to be an impeachment issue. it can be fact finding for the american public and possible legislation down the line. >> representative steve cohen, thank you so much for your time on this big news day. let's go back to cynthia, former fellow prosecutor with me. is anything you heard from congressman cohen, anything we discussed, does that give you pause relative to something that could still be coming down the pipe for donald trump or anyone close to him? he didn't have a lot of details on kushner or hicks. but they are cooperating to some degree with the judiciary committee according to reports. >> right. it will be interesting to see what they've turned over, their request from the judiciary committee mirrors the request of what they gave mueller. it will be interesting to have another opportunity to review what that is.
for me the sort of outstanding question that's sort of fascinating is what about don junior? and a lot of people have asked me, why wasn't don junior interviewed and the best i can tell, the only theory i really have is that don junior is represented by counsel. you would call the counsel and never send him a subpoena directly. is he probably a target for the campaign finance violations in new york because cohen identified him. he signed the checks. he's in big trouble in the southern district of new york. if mueller wanted to talk to him, he would call the lawyer. if the lawyer said don junior is going to take the fifth amendment, that would be the end of it. we are very carefulful somebody says they're going to take the fifth amendment we don't do a perp walk or make a big deal about it because we're penalizing somebody for the exercise of their constitutional rights. that is interesting. how did it happen exactly that don junior wasn't interviewed? i'm looking forward to finding
out that answer. >> you're saying that because you believe don junior, you know him to be someone that the sdny is looking at. that is why robert mueller would have backed off. >> might have had to. key to the obstruction investigation is what happened not only in the june 16th meeting, the june meeting of 16 but also in lying to cover it up. remember he lied and said it was about adoptions after the president met with putin and they had discussion about adoptions. that's key to the obstruction question. it's hard for me to believe that mueller would not have made an effort to talk to him. so far we don't have evidence that he did. it's a mystery that needs to be solved. >> cynthia alksne, thank you much for that. the attorney generals at the justice department today. the president is in florida. what are the chances they've communicated in some fashion since the mueller report was submitt submitted? that's next. submitted? that's next.
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the whole report right away is what we will be demanding and potentially using subpoenas to obtain. we're at the beginning potentially of another battle, a new phase. >> that is what senate judiciary committee member richard blumenthal told me earlier today hinting at yet another battle between the white house and democrats in congress. joining me senior white house correspondent for the hill and
john hardwood, to you first, john. we know that the ag barr is reviewing is the mueller report trying to decide what he's going to share with congress. are democrats set too high an expectation bar what they expect to be revealed? >> i wouldn't say they're setting expectations as much as making demands. barr doesn't have to release the whole thing. i think in substance, everything significant in the report that is not classified for national security reasons is going to come out before long one way or the other. and democrats are trying to accelerate that as much as they can. but i don't think anybody expects them to publish that the report will be published this afternoon or tomorrow. there will be a process and as blumenthal's statement indicated we are now at the beginning not at the end of the legal process but the beginning of the political process. >> senator blumenthal, he's pretty clear. he seems to expect a fight over
what is released. is there a belief out there that the white house is going to try to puppet master ag barr into holding key elements from the public? >> i think there is a fear that that will happen. but i think at this point people have to have some confidence that bill barr will act discharge his duties in an appropriate way. he has a reputation as a person of integrity. and so i think the presumption would be he's going to do his job properly. >> the president is atmar lago. two top white house lawyers with him, sarah sanders is with him. he has yet to tweet about this. that's pretty unusual given how combative he's been. what do you make of that? >> it's very unusual. that's one of the biggest developments today. everyone was waiting for this to happen. i think behind the scenes i think that they're kind of cautiously optimistic. he's probably being advised not to say anything right now which is also unusual.
when you talk to people around him, they also are saying he's kind of optimistic about the findings and they're all kind of sort of holding their breath to see what tthe out come is. >> it seems hard to believe the president has not senor heard any details about this report. does that is seem likely to you? >> i think that you know, people want to believe i think because whatever view you have is sort of baked in. i think a lot of democrats may be skeptical in thinking he saw some of this already. i don't think -- like john said, i think the standard is has pretty much held up so far and you kind of have to believe in the system at this point. but i think when ag barr does release the findings, that's the first crack at when the white house can say, you know, can take a look and say not so fast, this falls under executive privilege.
this falls where we are right now. >> it's important to say that the three people who have counted the most up to this point and through this point robert mueller, rod rosenstein and bill barr are people who have reputations as honest public servants. so i think -- i would not begin by assuming that they're subverting this process in any way. >> very good point there. timeline predictions from both of you. i'll let you go first, john, in terms of when you think congress and the public will get the bullet point reviews. >> by the end of the weekend. i don't think bill barr would have held that out there if he didn't intend to do it. so i think the public will get those bullet points by the end of the weekend, too. there's going to be back and forth process of how those are backed up with additional information from the report over the next several days. >> can i get you more specific, amy, today or tomorrow? any sense of that?
>> from what i understand from the justice department, he's reviewing these documents carefully and probably i would say by tomorrow, i think the house is meeting today. house members to go over their talking points and get ready. we could expect something by tomorrow. >> john harwood, amie paerns, thanks so much. deutsche bank under investigation because of the $2 billion it lent to donald trump. why the president's connection to the company could be so crucial, prosecutors in the wake of the mueller report. crucial, prosecutors in the wake of the mueller report. - the tech industry is supposed to be a leader in invention and progress. but only 11% of its executives are women, and the quit rate is twice as high for them. here's a hack: make sure there's bandwidth for everyone. the more you know. [ aevery box has a mission: to protect everything inside from everything outside.
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of course, the mueller report is done but the investigation surrounding president trump may soon enter a new stage. let's discuss it with david enrich, finance editor with the "new york times." i told you about this story and how much i think it's one nugget after the next. it is absolutely fascinating as we look at the president's fbss. i want to get to that in a second. first let's talk about the mueller report. your main take-aways as to what we know so far and how the political world is reacting. >> we don't know a lot. it was delivered. we know that it's not recommending any additional indictments. that's about it. i think everyone is waiting to see some of the substance of this. obviously, just because there
are no indictments recommended by mueller does not mean that there is not a lot of damning material in there about the president or the people around him. but maybe there isn't. this could be a one-sentence report, a one-page report. it could be a 100-page report. we have no idea. >> some of the outstanding investigations are of vog the president's finances. you're reporting new details about his long and symbiotic be relationship with deutsche bank. tell me what you've learned in general, the tenor of this. why did deutsche bank continue lending to donald trump despite executives saying the bank should not do that due to his history of defaulting on loans. also his construction industry relationships with people tied to organized crime. and then put that together with what the mueller report may reveal. >> well, deutsche bank has been lending to trump basically on an exclusive basis for almost 20 years now. this is the only bank that would touch him because he kept defaulting. that is not a characteristic
that banks generally take favorably, too. deutsche bank was so ambitious and hungry for growth and profits and so greedy it was willing to do which is lend money to a person person with a history of being a really polarizing figure and engaging in all sorts of demagoguey and doing things that most banks especially after the financial crisis, just found pretty abhorrent and would make a client even a client who didn't have all this is financial baggage that donald trump had it would have made him off limits to most other banks. deutsche bank was playing by a different set of rules. >> we have the chair of the house intel committee adam schiff who wants to see mueller's underlying evidence to try to examine whether national security is being threatened. deutsche bank also connects to schiff's focus. what have you found out about the russia's connections?
>> this is the million dollar question. the theory and rumor swirling around washington and new york for the past couple years is that deutsche bank was kind of a back channel for russia or for the kremlin or certain oligarchs to get money to donald trump. and i've got say i've spent the past year interviewing dozens and dozens of people about this and investigatinging this for a book i'm writing coming out early next year, and i have not found evidence that russian money was going through deutsche bank to donald trump. every single person i've said that is not the case. there's a big caveat to that. unfortunately i do not have subpoena power. the house intelligence committee, the house financial services committee both investigating this they do have subpoena power. the new york attorney general does have subpoena power. so it's possible as they do these investigations and subpoena people and subpoena documents that they will find something that i was unable to
find. >> well, look, considering we've not gotten a look at the president's tax returns, this is the next best thing, an article you wrote dated last sunday. one nugget after the next. it's a lek of an article and the basis of a great book. we'll talk about that when you get one finished for us. good to see you. what the 2020 candidates are saying about the muellerer report today. that's next. about the muellerer report today that's next. ance. so why not bundle them with esurance and save up to 10%? today. that's next. report today. that's next. y. that's next. report today. that's next. well, i don't know what you'd wanna buy because i'm just a guy on your tv. esurance. it's surprisingly painless.
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number one as 2020 contenders are traversing the country this hour making pitches to voters. first stop, here's beto o'rourke. >> we want to make sure we jealously hold these institutions of our democracy and employ this mechanism of impeachment as an absolute last resort. ultimately, i believe this will be decided at the ballot box in 2020 by you, by me, by all of us in this country. getting this country back on the right track. >> our road warriors hans nickels and leanne caldwell on the ground following the campaigns. hans first to you in houston texas following senator kamala harris. have we heard anything yet about the mueller report from her? is she expected is to address it when she takes the stage behind you. >> reporter: look last night she weighed in and insisted william barr at attorney general testified before congress. that's her line.
speaking to officials earlier, they're saying she doesn't plan to raise it here. i've got to tell you the crowd wants to hear something. talking to this long line of voters. this is basically beto o'rour o'rourke's backyard. thousands are lining up to hear the senator from california. she wants to focus on policy and drive home the point that teachers across the countries but especially here in texas are underpaid. her big message today is what we're doing to train the next generations of americans and what we're doing on the education front. that's what she wants to focus on. talking to that long line out here, there's a mix of sort of dedication to kamala and also curiosity. not everyone in the lines is 100% for her. they say they're interested in a mix of what their policy prescriptions are, what the candidates are, but more importantly, who can beat boo donald trump.
alex? >> i imagine that is a focus for many in that crowd. thank you very much for that. hans nichols. now to leanne in rock hill, south carolina following cory booker's campaign. so leanne, i'm curious what the senator had to say say about the mueller report. >> reporter: we're at the third campaign stop this morning in brock hill, south carolina. cory booker who is also a member of the judiciary committee has said what.other democrats said, that the report needs to be released. he also said that mueller should come before the committee and testify. but he also said that this is a big moment in american history. here's what he had to say. >> say very clearly i believe it should be released and i believe at this moment of history i think barr is going to understand this is a moment where he can affirm and support the integrity of our government. and restore people's faith in the system. i think history has got its eyes on him.
he needs to do the right thing and release the report. >> reporter: booker said -- so alex, he was also asked about this by a voter today. and booker said this investigation is not over. yes, had report is in. but the investigation is continuing. not only in congress but in other parts in federal and state investigations, as well. so booker is a critical component in this investigation as a member of the judiciary committee and also as a presidential candidate. so we should expect to hear him as this progresses. >> that makes sense. le anne, thank you for joining us. the late night comic making a point that is not getting past anyone obsessed with the mueller investigation. these letters used to mean something. letters earned in backwoods, high hills and steep dunes. but somewhere along the way, suvs became pretenders not pioneers.
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unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? no further indictments which means not don junior, even after i love it memo, really? not jared, not manafort or stone for working with the russians. did the democrats put too much trust in the mueller report? there's probably a farming out of other investigations. but yes, if you have a tv or a twitter account you've already seen obstruction of justice. i think the team has seen that.
mueller has to come before congress and tell us its veracity. >> can you make that happen. >> we're going to subpoena him. >> congressman eric swalwell on the end of the investigation as washington aways word from ag bill barr on the findings. joining me right now rick tyler, political analyst, and jonathan alter, from "the daily beast"" also a political analyst. jonathan you first. ag barr said in his letter to senate and house judiciary leaders he intends to consult with deputy ag rosenstein and robert mueller to determine what other information beyond the principal conclusions can be released to congress and the public. why isn't that comforting to the democrats? why are they bracing for a fight? >> because the attorney general is known for many years now as being a very strong advocate of executive power. he basically believes that the executive branch, the president
can do whatever it wants on issues that relate to these kinds of investigations. so you know, we don't know how much he is going to redact or prevent from being released. obviously if it's classified, we're not going to see it. the public's not going to see it. also if it relates to ongoing investigations and there are 16 other ongoing investigations, that might be deleted. if it involves grand jury testimony, that will almost certainly be deleted. if it involves people not accused of crimes, justice department guidelines say that information should not be in the report. so there's a lot they can leave out. >> yeah. potentially so. there are some trump allies, rick, celebrating the end of the investigation, also this lack of collusion or obstruction indictments. axios reported rudy giuliani said he's feel cautious optimism. but aren't these reactions
premature? i mean there's a ways to go yet. >> well, look, on the mueller investigation itself, it's over. we know that. we will get the major -- we'll get all the conclusions delivered tonight. we'll see that. so we'll know. but even if this report doesn't offer anything new will, look, it's not good for the trump administration. there's been 34 guilty pleas or indictments, seven of which are advisers to the president of the united states. six of those people have pled guilty and most of the convictions or most of the indictments have concerned on the russian side. this is what mueller's mandate was. he was supposed to find out whether the russians interfered in the 2016 election. they did. it was serious. there were many, many indictments that are related to that of russians and russian companies. that's what he's supposed to find out. what i don't want to see happen is all of a sudden, donald trump who has been trying to destroy the credibility of robert
mueller all of a sudden he's donald trump's new hero and then the democrats turn on mueller and try to make him into a terrible person. look, the democrats have continued to praise robert mueller and speak of him as a man of integrity. i tend to believe that's true. robert mueller has done no press conditionses, no cable news interviews, no press releases. there's been virtually no leaks. let's see what's in the report and take him at his word. this is far, far far from over. but in terms of the mueller report, let's wait to see what happens. and accept the findings. >> i don't think the democrats are going to touch on mueller. i don't see that happening. > you heard swalwell say, he was very defensive already. >> he's saying they're going to have him come before congress and barr should go back before congress. this is what oversight requires. >> agreed. >> they have them up there. i don't think they're going to kick him around or anything. the big thing i'm watching for
in the next couple of days is something that has nothing to do with the legal charges themselves. it has to do with who wrote the mueller report or even the mueller summary and how good a writer that person is. and here's why this is so important. what happens is a metaphor or a short phrase from that report will become shorthand. like collusion was for trump. he used that very effectively. nobody in the united states knew what that word meant before trump repeated over and over again. if there's some short phrase about the president's conduct that comes out of this process and that is a very acute and telling phrase that sticks in the mind, that could condition a lot of the 2020 campaign. you could hear it literally a million times over. so the language that gets used
in the summary in characterizing the president's conduct is extraordinarily important. >> i love that. you are a writer to your core, jonathan. rick, what about you? what are you looking for? >> well, i'm looking for -- i want to know what mueller found out and willing to accept it one way or the other. you know, this will not vindicate donald trump and it will not -- and my guess is because the thousand reporters looking for the holy grail and have not found it. i have a great deal of trust in independent media in finding out things. they have not found the connection. there is no indictment that we know of unless there's a sealed indictment that connects donald trump's keystone cops bungling campaign colluding with the russians or coordinating russians that would rises to conspiracy. there's plenty of collusion. >> i have to wrap it up right there. we've got another hour ahead of us with a lot of the guests.
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on the mueller report. it is in the hands of the attorney general while we still don't know what's inside of it, there is new information to report right now. plus, a closer look at the roots of the investigation. jared kushner's role in the firing of james comey and the new trouble the president's son-in-law may be facing. plus -- >> we really need a full accounting of what happened if we're going to be able to move on. >> candidates are weighing in from the campaign trail as the effects of the 2016 election reverberate into the 2020. good day, everyone. from world headquarters in new york, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." >> this hour, attorney general william barr reviewing the highly anticipated mueller report right now as he decides what to release to congress. here's what else we know. house democrats will strategize their next move in a conference call scheduled for two hours from now. nbc news has learned house republicans were cautiously optimistic last night during a conference call. barr told leaders yds he may
release the top collusions from the report as soon as this weekend. the white house says it has not been briefed on mueller's findings. meanwhile, president trump is at miss his florida golf club while a group of his supporters rallied outside the trump tower in new york city moments ago. several republicans seedsing on reporting the special counsel is not recommending any further indictments. >> if there's no collusion found, then it strongly vindicates president trump but raises serious questions about who is going to be held accountable at the fbi, the bad actors that had a political agenda which goes against everything law enforcement is supposed to be about. >> last hour is, steve cohen told me his position on impeachment has not changed. >> there could be a lot there that's not necessarily an indictable offense. but is maladministration which is something that could be considered a high crime and misdemeanor. the bottom line is oversight. impeachment is not the only thing on the table.
the big thing is oversight by the people's elected representatives. >> and this morning, i spoke with senator richard blumenthal who said the findings may fuel ongoing investigations. >> the president still has to face those investigations, indictments are still very possible if not likely in donald trump's future or his family's future, in the southern district of new york. >> a lot to cover this hour with our team of reporters and legal experts as we kick off this hour. nbc white house correspondent geoff bennett. jeff, with a welcome to you. the president has been pretty silent on there quite out of character. we have gone back and forth so many times when he has his tweet fests. >> reporter: i'm told the president's uncharacteristically twitter silence is empty design, the president being advised to lay local to dial down the attacks. the president actually heeding the advice as we all wait to see what it is that robert mueller has concluded in his report.
but i got to tell you now, that this report is wrapped up and made its way to the attorney general, now begins the epic fight on the other side of pennsylvania avenue on capitol hill to find out what's in it. this is an issue on which you have rare bipartisan agreement. democrats and republicans both calling on barr to make public what he can as quickly as possible. the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell putting out a statement saying barr should make this information available with as much openness and transparency as possible. nancy pelosi the house speaker, chuck schumer agreeing with him but going a step further. they're insisting on seeing the full report and want to see all of the special counsel's homework, all the underlying evidence, documents, interview notes. you also have the house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler issuing this threat. take a look. >> if the justice department doesn't release the whole report or tries to keep parts of it secret, we will certainly subpoena the parts of the report
and we will are the right to call mueller or to testify before the committee or to subpoena him. >> reporter: so what gives? why do you have both sides agreeing on this issue? they agree for very different reasons. democrats want to dig deeper to see if president trump is implicated in any kind of wrongdoing. republicans on the other hand, think that this report after this 22-month investigation might clear him. and on that point i got to tell you in, talking to people close to the president, whenever we find out what it is that mueller has concluded if it falls short of saying that president trump directly conspired with the russians and tried to cover it up by obstructing justice after the fact, you can bet the president and this white house will spin that as a wholesale victory and then use that as a cudgel to undercut the other criminal, civil and congressional investigations into the president, his personal affairs and his business affairs. as i stand here and talk to you, we're not at that point yet.
we're waiting to see if the attorney general will brief those relevant members of congress what it is that the mueller investigation has concluded. >> i'm telling you my money is on that prediction for sure. geoff bennett, thank you so much. julia ansley, and nbc national political reporter mike memily. mike you just got off a call with senator chris coons, a member of the judiciary committee. what were you able to learn? >> alex, it's been heartening for those of us here basically just waiting for any new information to come out of the justice department. as i talked to members of congress and also some members, their staffs, they're pretty much in the same position. a lot of conversations happening around what might happen but not a lot of new information. senator chris coons what we heard from him is emblematic from both parties. a preview of the mess anding battle about to come.
what senator cons said was the important thing that lawmakers will be pushing for is transparency in finding out what mule sister concluded. they want to see as jeff pointed out more than the report itself. they want to see some of the underlying materials contributing to any of those conclusions. but what was interesting was the senator responded to new comments reported from senator lindsey graham. he's the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. he was atmar lago last night appearing with the president at a republican fund-raiser there. he was according to these reports that we're seeing criticizing is the investigation what, senator cons said to us today responding strong little is it's one thing for the president to be undermining the mueller investigation, it's disheartening of the senate judiciary committee is doing the same thing. >> interesting. you're outside of the justice department, julia and reported a.g. barr plans to release to
the media whatever he shares with congress. what is the strategy there? >>. >> reporter: to get out a summary of the conclusions as quickly as possible, including the broad line strokes as well as declination decisions. in other words, why mueller decided not to prosecute some people. the strategy appears to be first to maybe get out ahead of any leaks and to protect the integrity of this investigation and this justice department. as you know, william barr is a newly installed attorney general and he doesn't want any kind of even appearance that he is somehow stalling this information from getting out to the american public. he wants to keep it -- he wants to get it out as quickly as possible and make it transparent. the second part is going to be trickier because we don't have a timeline when we will get additional information. it's going to have to consult with robert mueller and rod rosenstein about what information is in the public interests and what needs to be withheld. i think we'll see more debate
over that. they want the broad line conclusions to get out as quickly as possible and they're even sharing with the media and the public the same thing they'll be sharing with congress which was a question up till just yesterday. >> okay. julie and make mike, thank you. much appreciated. joining me gerry connelly, an i member of the house oversight and foreign affairs committee. let's get right into it here. house democrats are scheduled for that call about two hours a little less than that right now. you're going to be on the call i would presume. i'm curious what you'll be discussing. we knew this day would eventually come. has there already been subpoena discussions for mueller and barr? >> i don't think there have been discussions in detail. there have been general discussions about at some point what we want to hear directly from mr. mueller in terms of clarifying what's in the report and what was behind his thinking in making or not making certain decisions. but there's been no specific
discussion about we're going to subpoena mueller and have him on day one. there haven't been those kind of discussions. >> let's take a listen to what adam schiff house intelligence committee chairman, said about underlay lying evidence leading to a national security threat. here's that. >> the congress is going to need the underlying evidence because some of that evidence may go to the compromise of the president or peopleard him that poses a real threat to our national security. >> are you hoping to learn in whatever gets released initially by barr what is behind the president's behavior toward russia? what could be revealed that would make you consider it a threat to national security? >> i think that the mueller report potentially can fill in a lot of blanks. let's remember that we've been sort of dealing with this for the better part of two years, but it's been episodic and intermittent. a fact happens. a story breaks.
and an indictment occurs. but they're not connected. in one comprehensive narrative. so the hope is that mueller helps give us a complete and comprehensive story so that we can all then draw our own conclusions as to the president's behavior with respect to putin and russia and the collusion that did or did not occur between members of his campaign and the russian officials who were behind the bots and the trolling to influence the outcome of the election. >> is that specific dli what you're going to be looking at from an oversight perspective or is there anything more for what you'll be specifically looking for? >> our first hearing was with michael cohen. i came away convinced after listening to that trat trump organization itself is a criminal enterprise. trump university was found to be such. the trump foundation was found to be such by officials in new york state. so i think we're going to want to look at the whole structure
of the organization as well as obviously the foreign influence in our election. >> we have the press secretary sarah sanders saying the white house has not yet been briefed. they haven't received the report. there were reports last week the white house lawyers want aid chance to review the report before it was submitted. do you have any concerns, sir, that the white house is going to try to claim executive privilege and try to hide any potentially incriminating information? >> yes, that's always a concern especially with this white house that's engaged in obvious obstruction and in stonewalling legitimate constitutional efforts by congress to get at information and documents. so yeah, that's a real concern. having said that, i believe there's plenty of precedent involving criminal investigations and the constitutional role of congress as a separate but coequal branch of government to be able to pierce executive prinive privil
>> congressman john lewis said he believe the day will come where the president is impeached. the speaker said impeachment is "just not worth it." it appears your party is torn over the issue. what do you think is necessary to start the process. >> democrats can no longer say let's wait till the mueller report. >> if robert mueller says in his report only because of justice department guidelines i did not indict donald trump but otherwise i would have for the following criminal activities, i don't believe congress can afford to ignore that. we have to proceed with impeachment proceedings. absent that, my guess is it's going to be a lot more great matter, gray area, excuse me in, which our gray matter has to exercise judgment. and that's going to be a matter of opinion and subjectivity and a matter of what did robert mueller conclude. and i think we're going to need the report but probably also
going to need to hear from mueller himself. >> what about the family? because i'm curious if there are any plans of your committee to call any of the trump children to testify. >> i believe both from an appearance point of view and a political point of view, we should tread very carefully about that. i think that creates unnecessary sympathy for a situation as grave as this. obviously, at some point, we're going to having to hear from jared kushner and maybe ivanka and maybe donald trump jr. on serb aspects of the overall investigations. i wouldn't rush into that. i believe that that might be best left frankly to ongoing investigations by the southern district of new york. >> democratic congressman gerry conley, thanks for joining me. >> my pleasure. silence of the president pop we haven't heard from him yet about the mueller report submission. what are the chances he might have communicated with the attorney general? we'll talk about it next. with te attorney general we'll talk about it next ♪
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the whole report right away is what we will be demanding and potentially using subpoenas to obtain. we're at the beginning potentially of another battle a new phase. >> senate judiciary committee member richard blumenthal earlier today on the show hinting at the prospects of another battle weave the white house and democrats in congress.
joining me now jacqueline alemany, josh gerstein, former federal prosecutors carol lamb and steven mull roy, steven is a law professor at memphis university. welcome to all four of you. jacqueline, as we await the ag barr release of the report, principal findings, are democrats set too high of an expectation what they expect to be revealed or what will be in that report? >> well, alex, what we're seeing here is uncharted waters. you have seen democrats do in the past few weeks is sort of try to build up these other investigations that have been surrounding the mueller report from house judiciary to house intel to the various investigations into potential financial wrongdoings by the president and some of his allies. again, it's just we don't know what is in this report. i can't stress that enough.
i know it's been said countless times. just because there are no additional indictments just as rep conley told you does not mean the president has not committed criminal wrongdoing, does not mean that house judiciary will not proceed are impeachment proceedings. it is a matter of what is exactly in this report. and you know, i think as jerry nadler has said, even if you're just looking at the public record here, there are a lot of dots that sort of point to obstruction of justice. you know, but i think at the end of the day, what is good news for the trump white house is that people like jared kushner, don trump junior and these peripheral player who have not been indicted when it comes to russian collusion. >> can i just ask you what you make of the president's silence? there's been not a tweet about this, jackie. >> yeah, you know, and i do think the president is surrounded by a lot of allies right now. have you much of the white house
staff with him atmar lago. so he -- if there is anyone around to prestrain him, that is in order. you know, the president is i think also trying to ride off of a little bit of a wave of good press, right? he is not facing any immediate charges. but that is not to say he's not facing legal trouble down the road when it comes to the southern district of new york investigation into the trump inaugural committee, the transition process and to the trump organization. but i think the president realizes he needs to tread lightly here and twitter probably isn't the best idea. >> josh, i know you are there at the department of justice and you were also there yesterday when the news cape out. are you getting any insight about overall content or at least the contours of this report? >> no, we haven't been given that kind of color in terms of how thicking it it is, how lounge it is. we've simply been told it's comprehensive and thorough.
i'm assuming we're talking about a document of hundreds of pages in length they're now in the process of trying to boil down to these principal conclusions. i'm assuming that will just be a few pages outlining robert mueller's overall findings. >> so carol, we know there are no more charges coming as a result of the report specifically, but a key player that was left without an indictment was the president's son don junior. what does that tell you about the trump tower meeting in june 2016 and why mueller may have not been able to make a conviction on that? >> i think one of the things that's really important to remember about white collar criminal cases is that they are very, very tough cases. it's not like a narcotics case or a violent crimes case where you know a crime occurred. maybe you just have to figure out who do it and what their criminal intent was. with white collar cases often you have to wonder whether a
crime occurred at all and then figure out who did it and what their criminal intent was. in this case, the scope of this criminal investigation was so difficult that i truly believe that it would be an enormously difficult criminal case for anybody to bring because half of your witnesses are unavailable to you. they're in russia. there are -- the witnesses who many of the witness who are available to you are proven liar who have pled guilty to lying. and so it doesn't really surprise me if this is in fact bob mueller's conclusion that he is not -- he do the not feel he's in a position to bring criminal charges that he believes have to be a slam-dunk in circumstances such as this. >> there's a new article, steven, in the "new york times" and it details how the prosecutorial focus has now moved to new york because a lot of the questionable conduct was within the southern district of new york. the president, for example, ran
his business there, his campaign, as well. all from the southern district. how much legal peril does the president face in the southern district and when might that all get to the surface here? would it be soon, sometime before 2020? would it bea he leaves office? what's your speculation on that. >> the focus on the manhattan prosecution i think is actually an excellent one, alex, because a lot of serious things that we still don't know the answers to are being pursued both by the federal prosecutors in new york and also by the manhattan district attorney. so we're talking about bank fraud, e.r.a. fraud, mortgage fraud, campaign finance violations being investigated by the southern district of new york. so there's still a lot of other shoes that might drop there and it's significant because the southern district of new york has a lot more independence from the main department of justice than other u.s. attorneys' offices. it's nicknamed the sovereign
district of new york. so there would probably be less potential for interference by main doj in their ongoing investigation and, of course, the manhattan district attorney being a state prosecution, the presidential pardon would have no sway over that. so there may still be other things on the developments there in terms of the timeline, it's hard to know for sure. but i would say almost certainly before the 2020 presidential election we'll see the fruits of those investigations and probably some types of charges against somebody involved. >> okay. your expectations are what, josh, when it comes to anticipating that whatever barr shares with congress will be enough to answer some of the democrats' underlying questions. do you think whatever these bullet points will be enough and is there nene sense mueller is leaving something for the southern district. >> it almost almost certainly will not be enough for democrats on capitol hill this brief summary we will think barr is
going to put out. one thing that's still an open question here, alex, we don't know what the scope of robert mueller investigation is. or was. we know that it covered trump russia issues. we know it covered paul manafort's history of tax crimes and bank fraud. but there were other secret aspects of his investigation, did he run all those things to the ground and decide no one should be prosecuted or hand them off? it would be interesting to see a full list of matters referred to prosecutors not just in the southern district of new york but eastern district of virginia, alexandria and here in washington, d.c. so will that all be revealed this afternoon or tomorrow? i kind of doubt it. but those are the kinds of details that democrats and i think frankly a lot of the rest of us will be interested to see. >> it's a very good point. carol, it hail still has not been revealed who the sajida al rishawi trump campaign official was that "directed to contact
roger stone about any additional releases from wikileaks." that was disclosed in stone's indictment. how is it there is not another indictment? is it possible this got passed on to another district. >> it is possible but it's also possible that bob mueller concluded roger stone was not going to be a reliable witness and that is all he really had. you know, we just really don't know until we see the report and hopefully the report will have that detail in it. but i have some concern that if the information we're looking for cape out only in the grand jury and not in simultaneous or earlier interviews with the fbi which probably could be released as opposed to grabbed jury testimony that could not be released we're not going to get the answers to that in this report. >> jacqueline, josh, carol, steven, thank you for joining me. steven, i know it's university
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breaking news at the bottom of the hour. we're getting news about the timeline of the release from ag barr in terms of what we're going to get. the blult bullet points. pete williams, what are you hearing. >> reporter: i can summarize the timeline in two words. not today. so the letter from attorney general william barr to the congress yesterday said that he may be able to begin briefing members of congress, certainly the ranking members and chairman of the house and senate judiciary committees as early as or as soon as i think is the word he used this weekend. so obviously, we thought today might be the day for that. it's not going to be. we'll have to wait and see if it's going to be tomorrow, a justice department official says the goal of trying to do it this weekend still holds but it's just not going to be today.
the attorney general arrived fairly early this morning at the justice department along with rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who has been overseeing the mueller investigation since the very beginning and in fact is the person who appointed and brought on robert mueller to be the special counsel almost two years ago. so he and barr have been talking together about how much can be released to the public in this initial stage. let's it's clear whatever they give to congress they'll release publicly. the bottom line is not today. we'll have to find out whether it will be tomorrow and if so how, alex. >> any way, pete, you can take from this the density, the volume, the severity. >> no. >> you can't? there's no way to. >> the wait or taste or flavor no, i'm sorry i can't. >> okay. pete williams, you did bring us what you could. not today. we'll hold you to that one. we're going to new insight.
>> the decision that triggered the mueller report as the result of the firing of fbi director james comey and the decision to fire was prompted by the president's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. joining me is vicky ward author of the new book "kushner, inc., the extraordinary story of jared kushner and ivanka trump." it is such a page turner. it is so good. it's filled with extraordinary information. tell me first of all the relationship of kushner to james comey. why he wanted him to go. >> right. so interesting. one of the most surprising things i think i found in my reporting. so jared kushner didn't tell, didn't put on his security clearance forms any of the meetings he had had during the transition or anywhere else but as we now know, during the transition, he met with the
russian wham bass door and a russian banker connected to the kremlin. didn't put any of this down on his security clearance forms or meetings with any other foreigners. just as the press started to learn this, this is a really serious offense. people can go to jail for not if iing out these forms correctly. >> wow. >> james comey then the fbi director is getting under way with his investigation into whether or not there was collusion between russia and the trump campaign as the head of the fbi. jared who normally speaks to the president sort of off to the side whispers drove reince priebus completely mad stood up for once and made an ep passioned plea to trump in front of a lot of other people who all disagreed with him actually, most of them disagreed that the president must fire james comey. jared said the fbi doesn't like james comey.
the democrats don't like james comey and the trump base will love it if you do this. steve bannon fought back on pre point but he and reince priebus and many others who thought this was crazy lost the day. jared won the day and you know, hence you have special counsel. >> but you write that jared could not see this as a massive mistake. how so? >> well, look, i mean the way i think the book depicts jared and ivanka are kind of like inspector clouseau. they're sort of bummalabling incompetent inxes wandering around the white house and the only people who can't see them for what they are is themselves. they're like kids in a candy store. but i think what's really serious about all of this i mean is you know, it's hopefully now going to start come under investigation. now that the mueller report
comes out, we move into the act two abhopefully act three and i hope that this will now be about following the money. i think one of the major threads in my book is all about jared kushner's finances. and how that dictates our foreign policy. you know, and i think that rex tillerson, the former secretary of state, the former secretary of defense, james mattis, really alarmed to see jared taking control of our policy in the middle east and you know, noticing the coincidental timing anchorlation of what was happening to kushner company's own finances. this requires really, really serious investigation. congress is beginning to look there. and i know from my reporting that robert mueller you know also got his arms around some of it and sent it out to other investigations. so the mueller report is not the end. it's the beginning.
>> have you gotten a sense that the president blames jared? i mean if it was jared saying to him fire james comey, fire james comey, is the president blaming him for all that's transpired since? >> it goes in waves is what i say in the book. you know, the president absolutely -- was furious with jared for not filling out his security clearance forms properly and hated the negative attention it got. he was furious with jared and ivanka over the misuse of e-mails and what's app, the very thing that's come up in the news this week the oversight committee is now looking at because of course, that's what he went after hillary clinton for. he's actually i think annoyed he's he had to override every intelligence agency to give jared and ivanka a security clearance. so and i say in the book he had asked john kelly get rid of them. the problem is, john kelly made life so unpleasant for these two they did actually want to go.
but trump couldn't pull the trigger. they are his great achilles heel. >> so it was like mixed signals that at president was saying get rid of them but doesn't want to let them go. >> very confusing. the body count these two have caused is enormous by now. you know, it feels to everyone like it's one rule for jared and ivanka and a different set of rules for everyone else. >> is it even a separate rule for ivanka versus jared? >> yes. well she has this you know very special relationship with her father but there are limits to it. i say she's put out this myth. ivanka is all about pr, perception over reality as she herself has said. you know, she has put out this myth she can talk to her father directly in private. not true. when it came to the discussion whether to pull out of the paris climate accord, gary cohn asked her the head of the economic
council, could you just not go and say to your father we shouldn't pull out? she said no, i can't do that. >> like i said, this thing's a page turner. i can't wait to finish it. i wish i could stay up tonight. i'll have to do more broadcasts tomorrow. thank you so much for joining us. kushner, inc., greed, ambition, corruption. it's a story. robert mueller's report making waves on the campaign trail. how the candidates are making the events of 2016 part of the conversation for 2020. 2016 parte conversation for 2020. [zara larsson - "wow"] ♪ ♪ baby i'm not even in a gown ♪ and the only thing u have to say is wow ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪ ♪ and you never felt this type of emotion ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪
a bit more on breaking news on the submission of the mueller report and the timing of getting information out to both congress and the public. let's go to national security and justice reporter julia ansley outside the doj right now. as you know, julia, i spoke with pete williams not ten minutes ago. he said it's not today. what more do you have to tell us about it? >> reporter: right. so just inside the justice department a minute ago, we spoke to a senior justice department official who said barr is working with general rod rosenstein to go over this report and submit his summary to congress but that that will not be done today. they still are working toward that deadline they laid out in the letter to congress yesterday that will be done as soon as this weekend. but apparently this is just taking some time. still not a lot of time. they've had this less than 24
hours and they will review it and hand it over when done. the hill has been notified. they told congress this is not coming today. >> i know we'll get more from the democratic leadership that call happening about an hour and 15 minutes from now and see what they have to say, as well. thank you so much. meantime, the 2020 contenders are traversing the country making their pitches to american voters today. issue number one, the mueller report. here here's. >> it's just been delivered. i don't think a lot of time should pass before the findings are made known. this is such a cloud over our country. when the highest office in the land and the campaign that got that person there is clouded and surrounded by all of these accusations guilty pleas, indictments we need a full accounting of what happened if we can move on. >> road warrior leanne caldwell is covering the cory booker
campaign in south carolina. we last spoke to you. he was on stage. looks like it wrapped up. what did he have to say and did he address the mueller report? >> reporter: cory booker finished his third turf campaign event of the morning. in the last one, he did not address the mueller report. he wasn't asked about it either even though there was a handful of voters who did ask questions. but nbc we caught up with cory booker earlier this morning at a barber shop at one of his campaign stops and we did ask him about it. booker said like every other democrat is saying honing it on transparency saying this report needs to be released. he also said mueller needs to come before the judiciary committee and testify about the investigation and the report. but at a second barber shop this morning, booker was asked by a voter about the mueller report. and booker said this investigation is not over. yes, the mueller report is in. but that congress needs to
continue its investigation. and so booker who is a member of the judiciary committee and now a presidential candidate, he's going to be really a key focus as this continues to see what congress does and what the presidential candidates have to say as this is continues. alex. >> lee and caldwell on the trail. we call a road warrior. thank you so much for that. the mueller report and what to make of the fact there are no new indictments. some answers to that next. no new indictments. some answers to that next. flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.
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as attorney general bill barr reviews the mueller report, democrats and republicans are gearing up for a fight over its release. in an interview this morning, sam nunberg provided this preview of what could be in store. >> what you want to watch for is the president started to argue about the transparency issue on the report. emmitt flood is going to go through that report on executive privilege grounds, he may ask for some of it to be withheld. if the president gets involved in that, that will play right into the hands of the house judiciary. >> joining me is peter elmer skon who has worked in three democratic administrations, noel
nick poor and waj hat ali. welcome to all three of you. peter, you first. how do you expect the white house to navigate this? what are the chances that they don't have to have anything withheld, they sit back and let this all playout, however ag barr chooses. >> sitting back and laying things play out is not in the dna of donald trump. i think frankly unless there's a direct correlation with russia, collusion, collaboration, cooperation, meaning it's not circumstantial, that will have an impact, but if it's circumstantial, it's very easy to discredit circumstantial evidence. >> what about you, noelle, the president's allies are celebrating the news of this investigation, all wrapped up, no additional indictments, but we don't know what the report
even says yet. do you think the trump supporters are celebrating too soon? >> i think part of what you're seeing from the republicans is a feeling of relief that it's finally come to a conclusion. this has been a black cloud that has been hanging over the presidency for a long time, and i think getting the report and have it moving forward and releasing everything that's going to be coming out hopefully soon will be really great. are they celebrating too soon? maybe. but the bottom line is, alex, i really feel the celebration is much more to do with the fact that their report is over and it doesn't seem to really feel like there's a major smoking gun here. >> what about your colleague there at "the new york times," peter baker who has written in a
new piece, quote, democrats on friday played down the notion that the report would be the final word, fearing that anything less than a bombshell would undercut their own drive to investigate mr. trump not only on russia's election interference but the myriad of other subjects that have drawn their attention. how concerned are democrats about that? >> i think the black cloud is going to be a storm for donald trump. i think the mueller investigation has been very troubling for him and should portend a lot of trouble for trump, his family and the trump organization going forward. mueller has effectively proven that russia interfered in the elections. donald trump has yet to make that confession. the convictions that come about, michael flynn, paul manafort, rick gates, george papadopoulos, mostly about false statements about russia. you also have the sentencing of roger stone, and what mueller has done has farmed out, laid the cookie crumbs for the
southern district of new york, washington, d.c., eastern virginia. he had michael cohen and the campaign finance violations. the hearing last month he brought receipts longer than cvs. i think with the dems taking control of the house, having oversight and accountability, they're going to do the subpoenas. they're going to follow the money trail and dig deep to see what's happening with deutsche bank, with allen weisselberg of the trump organization. as michael cohen said, there are multiple allegations in new york. what they'll do is, listen, this is just the beginning and we're going to do what we're elected to do in the blue tsunami wave is bring accountability. a majority of americans want the report to be public. the republicans are on the losing end if they try to sometime many that. >> peter, nothing on conspiracy, nothing on collusion, nothing on
donald trump jr., jared kushner as well. what do you make of that? >> the mueller report is the beginning, not the end. it's seeded a number of thick black clouds, whether it be the southern district of new york, whether it be the new elected attorney general of new york state, the insurance commissioner, the banking commissioner. the cyclone has just begun. i'm not concerned at all. justice will prevail, i have no doubt. >> you spent time at mar-a-lago. have you spoken with anyone that might have been there last night about what the mood has been like there with the president being there? >> no, i have not. i will tell you, we all know trump's personality. he loves to get on twitter. when he wants to feel vindicated, it's interesting he has not been blowing up twitter.
>> you don't think it's because he's listening to advise of people telling him to keep it on the dl? >> i don't think that we're privy to the information that he's probably privy to. he's going to know a little bit more about things than we are. but i'll tell you, i really feel -- i feel like we have seen the end of it. i know a lot of the democrats are saying big black cloud yet to come. i really feel like we've seen the finale. >> we'll have to see if you're write. through so much. attorney general barr at the department of justice reviewing the mueller report. live reports coming your way at the top of the hour. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them.
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that's a rap for this hour. i'll hand it off to ken disgip son. >> what a busy day it is. at msnbc headquarters in new york, it is finished. so now what? after 22 months, robert mueller's russia investigation is complete. what's in it no one knows, except for this man. attorney general william barr is at the department of justice right now deciding what and if any of it will be shared with congress or made public. we're told it could come as early as this weekend. also happening within the next hour, house speaker nancy pel