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i'm katy tur. tune in tomorrow from 3:00 to 5:00. i will be back. now i'm going to turn it over to referendum al sharpton and a special edition of "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to this special edition of "politicsnation." exactly 24 hours ago, robert mueller threw a live political grenade into the department of justice right to the attorney general's office. after nearly two years, nearly 200 charges, and 34 indictments, special counsel robert mueller has finally delivered his report on alleged collusion between russia and president trump's 2016 campaign. they've delivered it to attorney general william barr who will not be releasing his findings to congress today.
nbc is reporting. but still might as early as tomorrow. for republicans in and out of congress, the early news that the report calls for no further indictments has already been called an exoneration for president trump. for congressional democrats, it's murky. and waiting to see a probably redacted version of the report causes this murky kind of situation. or by extension, the president's. but they should both remember that the entire trump organization is under investigation from federal prosecutors and state investigators, mention the variounot to mention various2 probes. that's why he might be silent on twitter today.
probably the second biggest development of the day. as william barr takes over as the most watched man in america and robert mueller puts his feet up. for the rest of us, we're back to hurry up and wait. joining me now is ken dilanian, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter, barrett burger, former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york, malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst and author, and jane newton small, time magazine contributor. let me go first to you, ken. tell us where we are right now. i know the democrats had a call at 3:00, which i'll talk about later, but there's been surprising silence from the president.
where are we right now 24 hours after the release of this report? >> well, donald trump was playing golf today, reverend al. attorney general william barr and his deputy attorney general rod rosenstein were cloistered behind closed doors at the justice department reading and reviewing the mueller report. barr would not be releasing the preliminary conclusions that he promised to congress today, but they could come as early as tomorrow. to be clear, what that will be, we assume that will be a rather brief and terse summary of simply decisions that robert mueller made not to prosecute certain individuals and related matters. barr made clear in his letter that there's a whole other group of information that will take longer to decide whether it can be made public and transmitted to congress. and that's the good stuff, i assume. that's stuff we really want to see, because it appears that robert mueller wrote a more
detailed report than many expected and that he may have gotten into questions of conduct and judgment short of criminal activity. and this whole question of whether donald trump is compromised or was influenced by russia, whether or not he conspired or colluded with russia. and congress is going to demand this information, whatever william barr ends up reporting, and we hope it's a lot, congressional democrats will not stop until they get every last detail of the mueller report. >> barrett, is it not true, then, that the special counsel mueller could have found things that were inappropriate, inethical but didn't reach the level of criminality or even that he could have referred it to over departments since he had a narrow scope, which means that there could be sealed indictments, there could be his passing it on saying let the southern district of new york or somewhere else look into these things is my recommendation?
we don't know what he might have written in this report. >> i think you're exactly right. and we know that because we saw robert mueller doing exactly that. what we saw that she viewed his mandate very narrowly. so when things started to exceed the scope of what he believed he had been directed to look into, he referred those out to different u.s. attorneys office. we saw this with the southern district of new york and with other offices as well. the other part of this, as you alluded to as well, he was really, at least for the criminal charges, only looking for things that would satisfy a criminal statute. that's narrower than what he was looking into, which is a counterintelligence analysis. >> but we're talking about, malcolm, whether a foreign government influenced an american election. i mean, let's not forget the gravity of what we're talking about. this is as serious as it gets. it undermines the voters and it has serious ramifications in
terms of influence from a foreign government, in this case, an adversary, influencing an election. >> this is the single most serious investigation in the history of the united states. even watergate did not have the component of a president of the united states who may, in fact, be working with, con expirispir with, a dupe of a foreign power. the president of the united states, according to justice department guidelines, can't be indicted, which means robert mueller, if he's sticking to those guidelines won't be bringing a criminal charge. but the document itself could lay out an entire universe of criminal charges if donald trump was not president. that's one thing we need to keep in my mind. people are really upset don junior and jared kushner not
being brought up or indicted. well, that's a possibility too. maybe it's a counterintelligence component where we don't want to talk about that, but that could be turned over to the southern district of new york for even worse punishment like money laundering or something along those lines. we just don't know. >> now, ken, the other thing that a lot of people are concerned about is that mueller never questioned the president. there was written questions given, they were answered in written answers. there were rumors that may ask for more. how do you read into the fact that there was not more requested of the president and an in-person interview by the special counsel? >> i think it's regrettable because, after all, bill clinton submitted questions to counsel. hillary clinton was interviewed by the fbi's investigation of her. but there's a lot of explanations for it. the most plausible is the
president's attorneys made clire to robert mueller that they were never going to sit for an interview. if it came to a subpoena, pump was going to assert his fifth amendment rights. president trump's lawyer said over and over again they would be affordable to let the president sit down with robert mueller and we all know why that is. president trump is a horrible witness. in depositions that he's lied. that would delay the submission of his report and this is a question -- the american people need answers, so robert mueller being mindful of that might have just gone forward. another big question in addition to the collusion question is obstruction of justice. because the president can't be indicted, we have to wait to see what this report says about whether there was conduct by
trump that could have been criminal if he wasn't the president on the obstruction question because we know there's a lot of evidence in the public domain that donald trump tried to make this investigation go away. >> let me bring that to you, barrett. you worked in the government, in the southern. is it a fact that you can't indict a sitting president? isn't that a justice department policy? and is it possible that congress can question that and try to reverse that? >> sure. this is a long standing justice department policy. >> but it's not a law? >> you're not going to find it in the constitution. there's nothing in there saying a sitting president can't be indicted. it was a guidance put forth by the office of legal counsel. people from the justice department have been abiding by it. and we can assume that robert mueller has been abiding by this as well. however, this is not a hard and fast law. if congress thought that that policy was decided wrongly or there was evidence that other than this policy could be used
to indict the president, congress is in a position to use this for impeachment proceedings. they have their own avenue of addressing if they found criminal conduct. >> jay, let me ask you, the whole climate around this has set a partisan, at least in the first 24 hours, a partisan divide. on one side, there are some that are on the right saying this is a victory lap that is required, no indictments. on the other side, we're hearing not so fast, there could be sealed indictments, references, this is only the beginning, not the end. how do you see it? >> certainly this is just the beginning and it throws the ball into congress' court. this is exactly what donald trump's lawyers have wanted because all along ve haven't been arguing a legal case on his behalf. they haven't been doing anything that you would do if you're arguing for somebody in a legal sort of matter.
what they've always done is argue the political case, argue the court of public opinion. they've really done a successful job of muddying the waters and questioning the validity of this report for a large s.w.a.t. of the republican base who just don't believe anything mueller produces is going to be true or real or any kind of evidence that would make impeaching the president possible. and so that means that the house as they move forward, and the senate, looking at this information at whatever is produced once they get their hands on it. and the additional information as well that they're still weighing in on what they'll release. that means they're going to have to figure out how far they're willing to go, what kind of case they can make that mueller didn't make and that's really the pr war that the president has waged here so far successfully. >> let me push you on what you just said about how far the senate and the congress they want to go. is it possible that when they
receive whatever it is, and we think it could be as early as tomorrow, we don't know, that they could say this is not enough, we want to see more and we want to see more of what you have decided that you will look at and give us later, maybe. can they press him that we want it all? >> absolutely. and you've already seen a number of house chairmen including adam schiff and others saying they are willing to use subpoena power here, calling bob mueller before the chamber to talk about his own findings and what he discovered himself. i think you're going to see potentially a big push-pull on what documents are there, that they're not having, whatever is redacted if there is redactions. if there is information that remains undisclosed, there's always going to be questions, there's all thegoing to be peop
say that's the information we're lacking that would help us get him out of office. >> berit, is there any legal premise for mueller not to answer a subpoena and not to bring the report before congress if it comes to that in the judiciary committee or oversight or any of those committees? >> the only reason there would be grounds for him to fight a subpoena would be if there are certain aspects of the report or underlying evidence of his report that couldn't made public either because they were obtained by means of a grand jury, so they're protected by this rule that says you can't disclose materials you got from the grand jury, or if they were materials that were classified. obviously they couldn't be made public because we wouldn't have security clearances. other those two big cores of information, no, there shouldn't be a real reason to fight a subpoena on that. but those are two pretty big categories. >> thank you. i'll ask berit and malcolm to stay with me.
trump supporters are doing a victory dance, and they don't even know what's in the report. so what are they celebrating? tomorrow, don't miss 2020 presidential candidate pete buttigieg, who will be right here live on "politicsnation." his reaction to the mueller report and the race to the white house. that's tomorrow, 5:00 p.m., right here on "politicsnation." we'll be right back. nick, nick, we need a decision. these days we all feel a little anxious sometimes. but if you could see inside my mind; you'll find i go to my happy place.
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. neither congress nor the public know what's in the mueller report, yet we do know that it doesn't call for any new indictments. and that's been enough for many republicans to clear the president entirely of the collusion charge while casting the investigation as a waste of taxpayer money. joining me now to spin things around, don callaway on the left and renah shaw on the right. you're a republican, do you think the celebration of some in your party on the right is premature? >> it certainly is. we don't know what's in the report. what is this about? at this moment republicans are saying there's no collusion, this was a waste of taxpayer money but they don't know what the facts are. this is an investigative report. this is not a legal report. so we need to see what's there and read the black and white.
we need to assess that this could be something that could tell us if there's an impeachable offense. this is merely speculation. the rnc needs to hold its horses. the white house needs to hold its horses. frankly, they're not going to do that because they understand in the court of public opinion, if they come out early declaring victory that it could be theirs. >> let me ask you, don, when we look at the fact that we don't know what we don't know, and rina said it's remature and she's a republican, the fact of the matter is we could see anything in what's released, and it could be anything in what is not released. and this is only the beginning because there are other investigations, including congressional investigations. but i think the thing that strikes me most curiously is the president is not saying
anything. i can't remember since he started running where they've been able to stop him from tweeting, particularly in mar-a-lago. i mean, that's where usually he just is by himself and goes twitter, twitter, twitter crazy. for him to not say anything raises an eyebrow. >> we still haven't seen this week's episode of "saturday night live." who knows. who knows when the president is going to say. i would say, though, yes, i disagree that it's time for the republicans to take a victory lap, like rina said, however, they will, because that's how this town works. you have to celebrate any window of opportunity that even might be a potential victory. so republicans and their spinning machining should call this a victory even if it's not true. they're politicians, they spin the truth all the time and they're supposed to take advantage of this moment. i don't know what's in the report. the report may say the president is the worst kind of criminal,
but we can't indict him because of the department of justice long standing practice. you're a man of the cloth. you have crime and you have slime as my fellow alabamian malcolm nance said. that is unsavory behavior, unbecoming of the office of the president, behavior that no other administration would have deemed acceptable. and i am just confident that based on what we've seen already, the indictments coming from this investigation, i am confident that this report is just dripping in slime. >> well, i'm not a southerner. my mother was from alabama. i never heard crime or slime. i'll use that sometime, don. let me go back to you. let me ask you this. the fact that even the victory dance, the victory lap, we're hearing from fox news
commentators, hosts, and others. but we've not, like i said, heard the president say anything. we have not seen rudy giuliani out there. doesn't that make one wonder whether they are concerned about what might be in the report or may -- i have no information whether they've gotten briefing from somebody, that is not supposed to have briefed him. but the fact that we have not seen the figures on the news shows on anything last night, i don't know if they're doing sunday morning shows, doesn't that show a little reserve from the trump team? >> it shows some degree of that, yes. and i will agree with you, i think there's a bit of perhaps being scared on the president's part. and it wouldn't be bad for the president to just say, look, this is a moment. this is a pivotal moment in my presidency, and i want to take a moment to just take some calm. it's something he hasn't done as don pointed out.
congressional republicans. look, i think we should be careful and we should be vigilant more than anything about what congressional republicans are doing, particularly in the senate. mitch mcconnell, senator graham, senator mcconnell and graham, they are people that could give wiggle room to barr to leave things out of this report. what we all agree on is that we should all see this report. i think every american believes in that. >> the one report don that senator graham is in mar-a-lago. but let me ask you about the politics of this. how does this deal in the whole political climate of the country as we're seeing the 2020 race start already in the democratic side? give me the politics of what this means and does not mean. >> honestly i don't think it means a lot for the democratic presidential race or our overall politics. if you are inclined to want to remove this president from office via election in november
2020, this doesn't give you any more fuel than you already had because you were already excited to choose your horse and support that person all the way to defeating this president if you're inclined to support this president, this doesn't really -- i mean, it gives you some language for a couple days you can see the president has been exonerated, even though that's not exactly the truth, but it's not going to change any positions and it doesn't change the politics of it all. rina is absolutely correct to mention and highlight senator graham and what he's going to do here. we saw last week that he himself obstructed the report from being obstructed the senate from taking up the concept of releasing it when the house of representatives voted 420-0 in the most partisan house we've ever seen to absolutely release the mueller report. barr is the attorney general for one reason, and that is because of his singular belief in executive infallibility, that the president cannot be indicted, that the president should not be removed from
office based on crimes while in office. this attorney general has the sole power to release the report or not. so while we're all talking about what we're going to see in the report, we don't know we're going to see the report. and we may see a heavily redacted report. so it's very important to highlight right now with a bright spotlight william barr. we don't know exactly what we're going to get and we should all be concerned about what he's up to over these necks couple days before we got a briefing or summary. >> in his confirmation hearings, he promised full transparency. but the question is, who defines transparency? >> yeah. >> because if it ends up being redacted statements, you don't know what he's redacted? >> reverend, let's be honest. the trump administration has lied and lied and lied again to the american public. i am a lifelong republican, trump is not a republican. and i don't care about party
loyalty at this moment. i care about the truth and facts. today is very hard for me since yesterday at 5:00, it's been profoundly difficult for me because i have not yet seen the facts laid out in this investigative report. so it's very hard for me to speculate because until i see the facts, i don't know. i don't know what to say. so bill barr, great, fine, patriot. mueller, fine, patriot. but until we see the facts that are laid out, unless there are impeachable offenses, unless there's a smoking gun, we don't know anything more. what i care most about, don, i care most about the erosion of the public trust in our institutions. i come to you as a product of a family that knows what it's like to be pushed out by a government that gets too big. my family had to flee east africa and take refuge in the
u.k. because the government got too big. donald trump, what he's doing is dictatorial in nature. >> that's frightening. >> yes, yes. >> i feel you on that. thank you, both, to don and rina. up next, a deafening silence from president trump. is somebody telling him to keep quiet? we'll be right back. this is your invitation to exhilaration.
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while attorney general william barr decides which parts of the mueller report to release, president trump, who is down in his florida golf club, has been unusually quiet. let's go to joseph bennett at the white house. >> reporter: president trump has never been at a loss for words when it comes to the russia investigation. people have counted it up and he's leveled at least 1,100 attacks against the russia probe, calling it a fraud, a witch hunt, a hoax. but ever since robert mueller wrapped up his report and transmitted his findings to the attorney general, you've got
uncharacteristic silence from president trump. he's at mar-a-lago surrounded by advisers and supporters. i'm told, rev, that the president's silence is by design. it's intentional. he's actually heeding the advice of his advisers who have told him to dial it back. the white house is accepting for now as good news the fact that this report wasn't coupled with a series of new indictments. so that's what the president is being told to do. the white house is also trying to keep some distance from the report. sarah sanders put out a tweet yesterday why where we she says the white house hasn't been briefed on the mueller report, hasn't seen the report. we're told today that the tweet is still actionable. the white house is not involved in the deliberations at the justice department or communications that will happen between the doj and congress. so right now the president and the white house are in a wait and see mode waiting to see what
robert mueller accounteconclude >> geoff, is this unusual even with advisories being quiet. ?" he's never taken their advice before. >> reporter: there are a couple of issues where the president actually listens to people. they're the issues that pose on a existential threat to this presidency. it has to do with the supreme court. as you know the president has really outsourced all of the work when it comes to picking supreme court nominees. that's because even those republicans who had and still have a lot of issues with donald trump, they always say i want a conservative in that white house to put people on the supreme court. so the president tloichlistens people when it comes to the supreme court. apparently he's listening to people in this perilous moment in this russia investigation as we wait to see what robert mueller found. >> thank you, nbc's geoff bennett. up next, house democrats are plotting their next move. i'll be joined by florida
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ever get to see the full report? joining me is democratic congresswoman val demings of florida. she is a member of two committees currently investigating president trump. the house intel and judiciary committees. ms. dem you were on a conference call an hour ago. what was discussed? >> first of all, thank you so much for having me. it's good to be with you. first of all, i want to see that the special counsel has been able to complete his work in spite of the relentless, vicious attacks coming from this administration. i have full faith and confidence in special counsel mueller, that he has done a complete and thorough investigation. today's call led by the speaker and our caucus chair and other members was really about bringing us up to date, filling
us in from about 5:00 yesterday when the attorney general's office was notified by the special counsel that the report was complete. of course, you said it, we are all on watch right now waiting to see when the attorney general is going to summarize the report. but, of course, we are expecting the attorney general to give us the full report. we heard today also from the committee chairs with jurisdiction just kind of talking about where they are in their individual investigations and really kind of mapping out where we need to go from here. >> now, congress, ma'am, hakeem jeffers who is chair of the democratic caucus has been quoted as saying that the taxpayers paid for the investigation, it is their report, it ought to be released. is that the attitude of many of the democrats in congress? >> let me say this. the president who has for the
last 22 months just about every weigh minute, no collusion, it's a fraud, it's a witch hunt, it's a conspiracy by the department of justice and the democrats, he should really lead the way in terms of demanding full transparency. and the bottom line is 22 months later, 37 defendants later, six of them in the president's inner circle, i believe the american people have a right to see this full report. we're also going one step forward, reverend sharpton. we are demanding basically that the attorney general also release all documents or any other evidence that was used in the special counsel's investigation to reach the conclusion that he's reached. >> so you're going one step further. you're not only saying release the report, but release the evidence and the documents? >> that's absolutely correct
because, according to the attorney general, the summary that he will give us will define what formula, if you will, the special counsel used to prosecute those or make the decision not to prosecute. well, i think congress has a right to know and the american people have a right to know exactly what evidence and documentation the special counsel looked at or reviewed or analyzed to make those decisions. >> now, you are on two committees that are part of the investigating of the president in different areas. will this come down, if necessary, to subpoenaing mr. mueller and subpoenaing those documents and evidence? >> let me say this, reverend sharpton. we would certainly hope that we would not have to issue any subpoenas. as i've said, this administration should be the
number one person to want to see full disclosure, full transparency. but you see we have gotten very little cooperation there. we are hoping that we would not have to issue subpoenas, but let me tell you, we're fully prepared to use every tool, consider every option within our authority to get the documentation that we need and the documentation and evidence that the public has every right to see. >> if, in fact, the request is made before subpoenas and even after subpoenas, for the full report and the documents in evidence, will the special counsel have to turn them over to the attorney general and the exchange between congressional committees be with barr or would it go directly to the special counsel mueller? >> you know, we have not been
privy to any conversations between attorney general barr and special counsel mueller or assistant attorney general rosenstein. but the attorney general did indicate that he was going to talk to the special counsel and the acting attorney general about their process in terms of moving forward what would actually -- what their next steps would be. and so we are hoping before this weekend is over, as you indicated earlier, we're hoping to get the summary any minute now. we're on watch on tomorrow. we already talked about getting together and having a meeting monday evening when we get back in washington, d.c. but we are not going to allow this issue to rest. it's been a long 22 months. as i've said, congress deserves to have the information. but even more than that, the public deserves to have it. >> all right. i'm going to leave it there. thank you very much, congresswoman demings.
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. we're back with our continuous coverage of the mueller report's completion, and back with me is berit burger, former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york and malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst. we heard, berit, a lot from the right that this has been a waste of taxpayer money and of time. yet, i recall the benghazi investigating went two and a half years, i believe the figure was around $27 million and there was no indictments. >> right. look, we don't know what the report says yet, so it's certainly premature to say, you know, anything about the conclusion. we know there have been a number of indictments, there are still a number of outstanding cases that haven't yet come to completion. but more importantly, the one thing we do know as of today is
that this wasn't a witch hunt. and we know that because mueller has said that there are no further indictments to come. if this was simply a witch hunt that was just out to get anyone and everyone, you would not see something that had been so meticulously put together, so carefully limited to what the scope of his mandate was. i think that's right the answers question of who this was a witch hunt, which it certainly was not. >> malcolm, i think one of the things that is most concerning is that you're seeing right-wingers who claim to be patriots that seem cavalier about russia, russia influencing an american election. i mean, saying it's an irony is an understatement. >> you know, i, in fact, have a t-shirt that was being sold at trump rallies that said i would rather be russian than a democrat. >> wow. >> this is where we've desended
to now. what we have, though, is we have one-third of this nation, due to donald trump's personal influence and not believe anything, t the special counsel fbi, anyone says. if it doesn't come out of the mouth of donald trump, they won't believe it. it's the singest most important investigation of the united states. we have two components. did people of his staff conspire with a foreign power and was the president under the influence of a foreign power at any time either wittingly or unwittingly. and the other part was did the president exercise abuse by covering up this entire affair with russia? you can't get any more serious than that. >> malcolm, let me ask, is it not also the case that since
there have been indictments and though some are still awaiting trial, others have already pled guilty, wouldn't it be kind of unusual if there are not some kind of critical points that would have to come out in the summation and in some of the things we may not get right away, but as the congresswoman just said we will eventually get? >> there's going to be a lot of critical points because we know just from the circumstantial information we have right now. i mean i wrote two books on it. there's enough circumstantial information out there to clearly show that there was some sort of activity. we know the russian were doing it. we indicted their 12 int intelligence officers right down to the individuals who were standing at the internet research agency right up to
vladimir putin's dirty tricks operator. we know that was happening. we've indicted roger stone. we've brought others to trial. the only question is what was the depths of the conspiracy. will those things come out right away? probably not. but there are details we must know was this president working hand in hand or under the sway of a foreign leader, and is the united states at risk because of it? >> now, the possibility -- and you've been a prosecutor, is that clearly as malcolm said, something happened. clearly some have pled to some involvement in something happening. is it possible -- and we have no idea, but is it possible that the president may have had some levels of knowledge that didn't rise to the bar of criminality but certainly can be questioned in terms of his judgment and whether or not it was appropriate for a presidential
candidate? >> yeah. i think that's possible. i think the bigger question is will we get to know that? if robert mueller found that that was, in fact, the case, there was some volume or knowledge or it didn't rise to the level of conspiracy, the question is will we know that? so the special counsels investigation says robert mueller has to provide william barr with the details regarding the prosecutorial to indict. the fact that it didn't ride to a criminal charge but was certainly relevant for the american people to know, that's at the heart of this. that's the question. will we get to see this. >> malcolm, you predict we will not see all of it now. do you think there will be a batder for us to see it all? the congresswoman has said they want it all, they would hope they don't have to subpoena it,
but the american people have the right to know do you have confidence that that will happen? >> i have confidence that we'll see most of it. there are things that we do not need to see. you don't need to see the technical intelligence parameters of how us or our foreign allies or sister intelligence agencies collected specific information. you don't need to know that. it can be summed up as, you know, sensitive intelligence in here. what i want to know is the result of all that so if we have a foreign intelligence agency that literally caught someone in communication with a foreign power, i want to know someone was in communication with a foreign power. that doesn't require you to have all the classified. there's just no way. this is bigger than watergate. we're just going to have to know. >> right. all right. thank you both. an update. earlier today i had a
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when his report comes to you, will you share it with us as much as possible. >> consistent with regulations and the law, yes. >> under the current regulations the special counsel report is confidential. the report that goes public would be a report by the attorney general. good evening. after two years for waiting for profresher mueller to drop the report, we're waiting on a new waiting game, waiting on attorney general barr to release a summary of findings to congress, findings that could be released as earlier as this weekend, but a senior doj official says he will not be released that summary to congress today. trump supporters are already celebrating the fact that mueller isn't recommending any further indictments. imagine living in a world where a special counsel investigation haea