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and as a result will die in prison. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm krig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning, everyone. i'm alex widtt. 6:00 a.m. here in the east. 3:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening. waiting game. both parties and the president on technology anticipating first word from ag barr on the mueller report. that is expected today. >> donald trump, his family members, or any of his associates commit any crime. >> focus on the family. the next step for congress once the mueller news drops. who might be first in line? twitter silence. not a single word from president trump since the big mueller news. what's behind that strategy?
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sound check 2020. from the mueller report to the electoral college. the latest word from the campaign trail next. new today. the attorney general expected to reveal as early as this afternoon top conclusions from the mueller report, so here's what we know this hour. the department of justice will send via e-mail mueller's top findings to congressional leaders and the media. yesterday ag william barr discussed with deputy ag rod rosenstein what information to die vulg. house democrats are requesting that all evidence gathered by mueller be preserved. house speaker nancy pelosi is insisting all briefings congress receives on mueller's findings be unclassified so they can speak openly about it. congressional democrats held a conference call yesterday. they are steadfast in requesting the entire mueller report be released so the evidence could assist other investigations surrounding the president and his inner circle. here's congressman ted lou.
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we want to maker all the documents are preserved. we want to know did donald trump, his family, or associates commit any crime and, second, did they commit any ethical misconduct whether or not it amounted to a crime? >> i asked representative jerry conley about the president's behavior towards russia and what mueller could reveal that would make him consider it a threat to national security. >> the hope is that mueller can give us a complete story so we can all draw our own conclusions with respect to his behavior with putin and russia. >> let's get to mike vicara. he is going to join me right now. mike, good morning to you.
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democrats, republicans, are they on the same page with regard to the mueller report as we wait for ag barr, or is there a big difference there? >> alex, this might not come as a surprise. good morning to you. democrats and republicans pretty much diametrically opposed on this thing. >> everybody doesn't know exactly what is in this, but a lot of people are jumping to conclusions. particularly republicans. democrats as, again, you reported they want that report released in full to the public. they say they deserve to know. well, republicans are focussing on the fact that the mueller report has no further indictments at this time.
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here's a sample of what we've been hearing. >> everything in this report and its work product should be released to congress. >> the whole report right away is what we will be demand, and potentially using subpoenas to obtain. we're beginning another battle, a new phase. >> you cannot indict a sitting president, so there's built going to be an indictment of trump, but there might be information that if he was -- the fed policy wasn't in effect, that he would have been indicted. >> if there's no collusion that was found, then it strongly vindicates president trump, but it raises those serious questions about who is going to be held accountable at the fbi. the bad actors that had a political agenda, which goes against everything that law enforcement is supposed to be about.
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one thing that's making this unusual. no tweets from the president as he remains at mar-a-lago and expected back at the white house. one thing on this issue of no indictments, obviously we are all aware there have been plenty of indictments for the former campaign manager, the former national security advisor, of the president's top lawyer. that's not in accurate to say. >> all good points you make, as always. we'll see you again. it bears repeating the president has been uncharacteristically silent on twitter as he spends his weekend at mar-a-lago. he is surrounded by top advisors and nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell is traveling with him. here's kelly.
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>> president trump flashed a thumbs up to supporters who lined his motorcade route to mar-a-lago. for a president known for freely expressing his thoughts, his restraint now is noteworthy, if only temporary. friday night at mar-a-lago. the president kept things light at a private republican fundraiser. no urge judgist there, but attendees posted on social media. rudy giuliani offered his own favorable prediction, saying the special counsel could describe the president's handling of james comey's firing as unwise or imprudent, not an obstruction
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of justice. mueller's findings are fuel for both parties on the campaign trail. >> the president is skelked to head back to washington late this afternoon. if that's the time the attorney general decides to send over to congress information about what's in the mueller report. the president also has a chance to talk about all of this in one of his favorite places, on the campaign trail. he has a rally scheduled for michigan thursday, and we know that that is a place where he often likes to talk about what's been happening with the mueller investigation.
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how likely is the white house to claim executive privilege when trying to prevent some of mueller's findings to getting released either to coast guard or the public, and how do you foresee this potential clash with democrats unfolding in congress? this skoob the next phase of a big court fight between house democrats on the one side and the justice department on the other. worry talking about the underlying evidence as well where democrats want to get all of the documents, all of the paper trail associated with that, and they point to the example of the hillary clinton investigation, and republicans really wanted to get all of the
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paperwork on that. over 880 -- 800,000 pages were turned over, and so republicans kind of laid their own ground work with this whole fight. >> even what we expect to happen later today. these principle findings, bullet points, however they're delivered. >> well, that's a very good question. they already acted as if the president has been vindicated here, so i'm not really seeing any signs that they might delay the process. i also think that would cause a lot of backlash not only with house democrats and the rest of the congress here, but also with the public who has -- polls have repeatedly shown that the majority of the public would like to see this report released. no, i don't think that trump lawyers will try to delay the process, but they kind of have
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jumped the gun somewhat acting as if the president has been completely vindicated here because we do know that there are ongoing probes in the house. there's an ongoing issue in the southern district of new york in relation to possible campaign finance violations, and these hush money payments. no, i don't think to delay the process, but it will be interesting to see how they'll respond. as we repeatedly said here, trump hasn't tweeted yet, and that's very unusual. some speculate thad maybe if the report does vend indicate trump or at least gives them a good message optically, we might see him tweet some nice things about mueller after, you know, a year and a half or so of saying he is leading a witch hunt. it will be interesting to see how trump responds to this once we get the info. >> i can totally see a thank you robert mueller. your services were useful. >> yeah. we can see that. to your point that the public wants it released, let's remind everyone that congress, at least in the house, they voted unanimously, and that would include a number of very
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conservative republicans that said this report needs to be released to the public. what on the heels of all that, daniel, do you think h.e. barr is considering right now? en only about what he may release, but how he explains the decision to the president. >> so we've been wondering whether they are coordinating at all with the justice department, and the white house in terms of stage managing this release. they insist that they aren't. they are keeping the white house in the loop, though. zwlo what do you mean about in the loop? >> they basically -- when they transmitted that letter to barr, they gave the white house basically a concurrent, you know, notification that this report was done, and so that is not unethical. it's just kind of standard operating procedure, and it's
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finished. rudy giuliani, he said he has gotten no noiskds, although you can imagine that once the white house finds out, you know, trump finds out and then talks to rudy about, hey, what's in this report, rudy, and we actually had a funny line in our story yesterday that rudy giuliani seems to be pretty carefree. he was seen shopping at brook's brothers in d.c. yesterday afternoon. let's take a listen to william barr. this is his confirmation hearing for attorney general. let's listen, everyone. >> i am going to make as much information available as i can, consistent with the rules and regulations that are part of the special counsel regulations.
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sfwoo give me what you think may qualify as the report's top conclusions. >> barr has a very broad assessment of executive power here, and that's where this -- that memo on obstruction of justice came from. it will be interesting to see how he characterizes. barr hasn't -- bar is an extremely experienced person. this is his second time around as an attorney general here, and he is, of course, very familiar with the law. it will be interesting to see how he frames this with pressure to, you know, his dedication to the law, but also pressure from house democrats who are looking into whether or not trump committed obstruction of justice. that's a very good question. i think that's one of the top questions here. it's not so much, of course, obviously we've all been looking into whether there's been any collusion between the trump campaign and russia, but also one of the larger questions here is surrounding obstruction of justice, and even if there aren't any major conclusions
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from this report on that subject, we're still going to see the house look into this issue and it's still going to be a major topic for trump moving forward. i think we just need to continue to reiterate that just because the mueller report has been submitted and even after we get barr's summary of it, his legal woes are far from over. >> let's take a look at representative john lewis who was speaking with joy reed yesterday. here's that. >> do you believe donald trump should be impeached? >> well, i think that day will come. i think that day will come. i don't think he is lenl i want. i said it at the end of the election. are is there political risks for democrats calling the president illegitimate because he did win
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the 2016 election. >> and i would note, it's kind of ironic when republicans bash democrats for calling trump an illegitimate president. remember, trump was the one who started the whole birther movement or gave it fuel against barack obama and saying he wasn't a legitimate president. i do think that democrats have to tread lightly on this, and they should pursue -- they should pursue their own investigations of trump if they want to. and not get into this legitimacy debate because in a could turn off some of those moderate voters that they need in 2020, and i think they want to kind of bank on, you know, winning in 2020 versus trying to impeach him now and not getting those senate republicans that they needed who are less likely to vote for impeachment because the mueller report doesn't charge the president with anything. >> all right, guys. great to talk with you both. daniel john. see you again. >> thanks. >> the underlying evidence in
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regulations. >> so this is important. according to the former u.s. acting solicitor general who, in fact, helped draft those rules, neil, here it is. absolutely nothing in the law or the regulations prevents the report from becoming public because, "we are talking about credible concerns of wrong doing by our nation's most powerful man and one who has not been shy about attacking the investigation itself." joining me now msnbc legal contributor katie fang and jam ill jaffer, founder of the national security institute. we should also point out, neil, you were an assent term for national security. katie, to you first here. the man who co-wrote, neil, he is citing the public's fear of a cover
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coverup. >> the office of legal counsel that basically issued that memorandum that has been cited all the time by people that are supporting donald trump and that are against the release of the mueller report, they state that, you know, look, the sitting president cannot be indicted, but there's no law that says that you can't basically not only indict the president, but there's no law that says that you cannot release this report. what's going to prevent the public from seeing the contents of the mueller report? we know about executive privilege. we also know about classified information. there's a secrecy and a confidentiality that surrounds grand jury proceedings, and that's exactly what robert mueller has in ermz it of the basis or foundation for the report and the investigation that is the basis of this report.
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it should be a push to have this information released. there could be vindication for the president. there could be implications that not only he and his families were involved in further crimes. it's important for everybody to get this information because i think that will put to beth bed a lot of the arguments that are raised on both sides of the argument. donald trump jr. said that the house voted unanimously to get this to the public. you have the former head of the national security division at the justice department. that's david chris. he said he believes the report will include significant new derogatory information on the trump inner circle and probably on trump himself, and in the end predicts that the sdny will charnl him for campaign finance or other crimes.
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do you think he is right? do you agree with that? just ultimately what do you think the best and worst case scenario is for the president? >> i worked for david chris's predecessor in that office, and it's hard to know what, in fact, mueller might say with charges against the president. now, what we know about that is that there's a tradition the justice department has not indicted a sitting president. that could mean he doesn't have charges on the president or because he is not ready to indict because of that tradition of the justice department. as katie correctly points out, there's no law bens against it. there's no law against anything in the report. the report almost certainly will come out in some form. as you pointed out, the house voted unanimously to release it. both the leadership of the republicans and democrats and the senate called for it, and even the president, the target of the investigation, has called for its release. i can't see any scenario in which the report doesn't get released.
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as far as what charges might be brought, i think that we saw a really interesting thing in mueller's tin indictment of the 13 russian nationals, especially with the internet research agency where he talked about conspiracy to defraud the united states. that is in essence a collusion to defraud the united states charge, and so even though people say there's no collusion charges, that -- bob mueller shows how he can indict collusion, and that's it right there. does this conclusion prove that? hasn't the president declared this a witch hunt? he has attacked bob mueller. you know, for 22 months. pretty straight. >> you know, it's exhausting the hypocrisy that comes out of that. yeah, if mueller "didn't find any collusion", suddenly that makes mueller the great hero of donald trump? again, it's hip critical for trump to suddenly come out and
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herald the wonder of robert mueller. if that's the case, people like nikki haley, people like lindsey graham, people like donald trump, if i were them i would be be waiting carefully to see what bill barr does. robert mueller's mandate, given to him by rob rosenstein last year in 2017 was very specific. it had a direct path, and it told robert mueller to stay in your lane. robert mueller, very wisely, may have turned over facts, evidence in his report, that will be unleashed by other prosecutors and other jurisdictions for things like the trump organization, the trump foundation, campaign finance violations, tax fraud, white house security clearance issues. the list goes on and on, and so
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i really wouldn't be breathing a sigh of relief. i think people are celebrating a little too early and some people are disappointed a little too early. i think that we really need to take a wait and see approach when if comes to this. >> let's take a listen to what adam schiff, the house intelligence committee chair, said about underlying evidence leading to a national security threat. >> the congress is going to lead e need the underlying evidence. some might go to the compromise of the president or people around him that poses a real threat to our national security. >> well, look. to go further on katie's point, we still don't know the conclusion of the fbi's investigation into whether trump was secretly working as a russian asset. if this relegals just that? t, what's next? what needs to be done? >> i can't imagine a world in
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which we find evidence in that. there are concerns raised by adam schiff about people around the president and the relationship with the russian government. we've seen six trump campaign officials indicted in this investigation already today. that's a big deal. it should be concerning in the american people, and we'll see what congress does with that when the book comes out. as katie pointed out directly, we have to take a wait and see approach. we don't know whether it's going to exonerate the president. that seems unlikely. or whether it's going to suggest the president be indicted when he leaves office. that also seems unlikely. we'll see what the president sa says. at a politics breakfast. you know, we have to run for president, that might have something to do with the leading statements. >> thanks. good to talk with you both on this early sunday morning. thanks. >> thanks, alex.
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new today congress is expecting details of the confidential mueller report to come from attorney general william barr. he spent yesterday scouring that report to decide which elements should be made public. nbc's pete williams has the latest. pete, good morning. >> alex, we'll probably get our first insight today into what the mueller report says. perhaps by late this afternoon. it will be up to attorney general william barr to decide what can be revealed. he spent saturday at the justice department studying the mueller report talking to the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein to fulfill barr's suggestion, the one he made in a letter to congress, that he would tell members as soon as this weekend what he could about mueller's principle conclusions. barr is under no legal obligation to do this. he has already done what the special counsel rules require by telling congress on friday that mueller's work is done and that the justice department never said no to anything mueller wanted to do. but the attorney general said when he was nominated, again in
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that letter on friday, that he is committed to providing as much information as possible about the conclusions of the most highly anticipated federal investigation in recent memory. if all goes according to plan, members of congress will receive this summary from barr late this afternoon, and the justice department will also make it public. alex wrrks. >> all right, pete. thank you for that. also new today, the democrats are making a formal request for mueller's evidence to be preserved. leading democrats on ten house and senate committees sent letters to nine federal agencies. house judiciary chairman jerry nadler shared a copy on twitter. they're asking the doj, fbi, the white house among others, to take steps to preserve mueller's report along with all documents and testimony collected. nbc's jeff bennett reports, a push to make the report public is coming from both sides of the aisle. >> democrats and republicans are pressuring attorney general bill barr to deliver on his word. >> when his report comes to you,
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will you share it with us as much as possible? >> consistent with regulations and the law, yes. >> republicans senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says he hopes barr will do so as soon as he can and with as much openness and transparency as possible. house speaker nancy pelosi and senate democratic leader chuck schumer demanding more, insisting on seeing the full report and all of the special counsel's work. pelosi in a letter to her democratic colleagues saying congress requires the full report and the underlying documents so that the committees can proceed with their independent work. that includes oversight and legislating to address any issues the mueller report may raise. the american people deserve the truth. on that last point, even president trump agrees. >> let it come out. let people see it. that's up to the attorney general. >> republicans pushing for public disclosure to clear the cloud of suspicion. >> if there's no collusion that was found, then it strongly
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vindicates president trump, but it raises those serious questions about who is going to be held accountable at the fbi. the bad actors that had a political agenda. >> democrats aiming to dig deeper to find out whether mueller's findings implicate the president in any wrong doing. >> we want to know did donald trump, his family members, or any of his associates commit any crime. >> house democrats say they're ready to go to court to force the report's release and subpoena robert mueller to testify if the special counsel report isn't made public. jeff bennett, nbc news, washington. how she's taking her speech straight to the president's home turf. before that, a quick programming note, and you're looking at it, in fact, every. msnbc is now live every saturday and sunday at 6:00 a.m. eastern. we'll being back after a break. r leakage product that fits. everything was too loose. but depend® fit-flex feels tailored to me.
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senator k irs ten jigillibrd will announce she's running for president today. she's taking her bid for the white house straight to the president with a speech planned right in front of trump international here in new york. it caps off a week that saw the candidates crisscrossing the country for town halls and rallies. here's soubd check 2020 a few snap shots from the campaign trail this week.
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>> it is absolutely imperative that the trump administration make that report public. >> everyone needs to get a chance to read the mueller report. it needs to be made public. >> we really need a full accounting of what happened if we're ever going to be able to move on. >> the underlying evidence that supports that report should be made public. >> yes. >> the attorney general barr should be called to testify under oath before the united states congress. >> absolutely. that means get rid of the electoral college and everybody. >> i think there's a lot to that
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maybe just give us top lines. that is simply not enough, and, frankly, joy, i think the republicans have really undercut any arguments that they might want to make because they obviously spent the says last two years pushing for declassification of all kinds of information. >> democratic congresswoman camila, a member of the house judiciary committee, is the party anticipates a fight over access to the mueller report. well, house democrats yesterday held an emergency conference call to talk through their demand for attorney general bill barr to release the report, along with its underlying documents. let's bring in chris lou, former assistant to president obama, chris also served as deputy labor secretary. and ned ryan, ceo of american majority, and a former writer for president george w. bush. wrk on this early sunday morning here. chris, why are democrats so sure
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do you think they're jumping too far ahead here? >> look, there might not be reason to have a fight here, and i think whatever is released today in the weeks to come, months to come, we have to sort of level set our expectations. there's information that might not come out because it's part of grand jury preegtds e proceedings, because it's classified information. it could relate to ongoing investigation. i think there's an underlying concern based on comments that the attorney general has made in the past about a very expansive executive branch as well as, frankly, the way that this white house has tried repeatedly to hinder this investigation that gives reason to be concerned about the level of transparency, but i think it is fair to say that both sides want transparency. the house has voted unanimously for it, and the public wants it as well. >> hey, chris. do you think there's any chance that bill barr's past comments were said based on certain ideology, but never anticipating he would find himself in this kind of a position? >> that's exactly right. i mean, he has said, you know,
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he has made these comments as an advocate. he had certainly a different role as the attorney general, and what is clear about attorney general barr as perhaps compared to matthew whitaker, is that this is a person who is previously served in this role, who takes seriously the institutional independence of the justice department, and who is a career public servant in many ways. and so, there is reason to be somewhat more confident of him, but i think democrats are right to lay down a very clear marker about transparency right now. >> ned, does congresswoman paul have a point about republicans, that they have set the groundwork for this to be released through the push to declassify, release other sensitive documents during the past couple years? >> well, i would hope so. i have no disagreement with what she said. in fact, i've been calling it for two years, alex. you know this. we've had conversations about this over the course of time. i want it all to come out. i want the entire mueller report to be public. i want all of the fisa applications to be public. i want all of the memorandum
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laying out the scope of the mueller investigation to be public. i want it all to be public to the american people so they can understand what we've been experiencing the last two years. you know me, alex, i have not been shy about this. i think there was no evidence, there is no evidence, there never will be evidence of russian collusion. i think it's all a fairytale. i think which need transparency to understand where this all began, who started it, who was pushing this, so that there can be consequences. i think that this has been a really difficult time for us over the last two years, and i think it's been pushed to help destabilize us in many ways, and i think that's a shame and i think there needs to be consequences for it. and the only way we can do that is to have full and complete transparency on every piece of evidence and every document that's been out there. >> but with regard to adam schiff, ned, and his call for all of the research, all of the documents, everything regarding the investigation, your point may be well taken on the issue of collusion. yes, you've made that position clear many, many times with me. that said, do you at all worry, though, that almost like a bread
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crumb trail, you see one thing, and then it leads you in a different direction? >> i mean, there is always that possibility, alex. i've been around d.c. long enough to know that sometimes you start at point "a" and end up at point "z" on something completely different, based off completely different things. we saw that with watergate and with the starr investigation. >> right, right. >> so, there's always that concern that maybe this opens up a pandora's box, you never know where it goes. at the same time, i was never fully convinced that this was going to be the end of it. i'm sure that -- i'm convinced that democrats are still struggling with the 2016 election results and that the punishment will be the process. it will be an untold number of investigations between now and the 2020 elections, maybe not all of them fully, you know, justified and have the ability to say that we have real reasons for this, but they will punish trump as long as they can leading into the 2020 elections, if nothing else because they still can't get over the fact that he's in the white house. >> chris, a.g. barr plans to
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share the principal conclusions with congress first and we have learned that could be late this afternoon. what do democrats think he means by "principal conclusions"? how does that look? >> and i think that's the unknown question at this point. i mean, you know, we don't know the length of this report, we don't know how in-depth it's going to be. you know, i don't know if there's an executive summary that goes along with this. and i think, so, that's the unknown question right now. and i think the problem here is because of the scope of what this investigation was, this might be a fairly narrow executive summary. so to go back to what ned just said, i think we need to see all the underlying materials -- >> 100%. >> -- that went into this, and i think it will take a while to get to that point. >> ned, i'm curious what you think will be how this gets presented potentially later today? >> again, my guess is as good as yours. it's as good as anybody's. i really don't know. again, i'm just going to reiterate, i want it all. i want every last shred of evidence, every last document to
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come out. again, i'm assuming that this report will just be an initial one and that there will be hopefully more information coming up over the weeks, you know, to come. the thing i'll remind people, too, alex, that we should be aware of, other documents will be for sure coming out, including ig horowitz's report on the fisa abuse, coming out in april. i think we'll see a lot of evidence coming out over the next few weeks about what was taking place and i want every last piece to come out. i think the american people deserve it. >> you know, though, ned, there are a lot of republicans -- at least some, i should say, that are already taking a victory lap, but not a word from the preds yet. i mean, this is a man who loves to speak for himself on twitter. he's been completely silent. how do you explain that? >> well, i think there's a lot of people. i've heard scuttlebutt from the white house there's relief, joy, happiness, they finally feel that this witch hunt is coming to an end and that it's going to, you know, be over. so, yeah, a little surprised he's not taking more of a victory lap. i think that we will see some of that coming up in the next week or two, but i'm telling you,
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based off some behind-the-scenes stuff coming out of the white house, i think they're feeling pretty good about where they're at right now. >> last question to you, chris. republicans are pointing to the lack of any collusion-related indictment to make a case against other democratic-led investigations. what do you think are the implications of this lack of new indictments for the investigations? >> well, look, i'm not sure i'd read too much into that, given the existing memo about the president not being able to be indicted. we should certainly debate that subject, but certainly, i could foresee a set of scenarios that range from not so bad to the president to really, really bad. it is not inconceivable that the special counsel found evidence that he could have indicted the president for, and sexual certa impeach him for, but said given the memo, i cannot do anything about this. and let's not forget, there are spinoff investigations, in particular in the southern district that deal with campaign finance violations, that deal with the trump inauguration.
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we still in d.c. have michael flynn's sentencing, we've got roger stone's trial. this is not ending any time soon. we don't know what other things have been farmed out from this special counsel to other prosecutors' offices. remember, he had a very narrow mandate. so i'm not sure i'd read too much into this that he's not recommending future indictments, and i certainly, if i were the trump folks, would not be spiking the football right now. >> well, sounds like you agree with an assessment by many people who are calling this the end of the beginning. all right, chris lu, ned ryun, good to see you both. >> thanks. as the nation awards the mueller report summary, "the new york times" says the lack of information in the report surprised some of the 2020 candidates. that's ahead. some of the 2020 candidates that's ahead -♪ just like any other family
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