tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC March 24, 2019 4:00am-5:00am PDT
good morning, everyone! i'm alex witt here in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 7:00 a.m. here in the east, 4:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening. >> if all goes according to plan, members of congress will receive this summary -- >> waiting game. both parties and the president on edge. the latest word on when we'll get the first word about what's in the mueller report. did donald trump, his family members or any of his associates commit any crime? >> focus on the family. the next step for congress once the mueller news drops. who might be first in line. twitter silence.
not a single word from the president since the mueller news. so what's we had that strategy? nikki haley jumps in on the mueller report. what she said and how it shook the twitterverse. that's next. but new today, the attorney general expected to reveal as early as this afternoon top conclusions from the mueller report, so here's what we know at this hour. the department of justice will send mueller's top findings via e-mail to congressional leaders and the media. yesterday, a.g. william barr discussed with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein what specific information to divulge. house democrats are requesting that all evidence gathered by mueller be preserved. house speaker nancy pelosi is insisting all briefings congress receives on mueller's findings be unclassified so that they can speak openly about it. congressional democrats held a conference call yesterday. they are steadfast in requesting the entire mueller report be released so the evidence could assist other investigations surrounding the president and his inner circle. here's congressman ted lieu.
>> we're going to make sure that all of the documents are preserved in the event that we need to see those documents. we want to know, did donald trump, his family, or associates, commit any crime? and second -- they commit any ethical misconduct, whether or not it amounted to a crime? >> i asked representative gerry connolly about the president's behavior toward russia and what mueller could reveal that may make him consider it a threat to national security. >> the hope is that mueller helps give us a complete and comprehensive story so that we can all then draw our own conclusions as to the president's behavior with respect to putin and russia and the collusion that did or did not occur. >> meanwhile, the president's supporters rallied last night outside trump tower right here in new york city. he returns from mar-a-lago to washington today as his allies feel vindicated with reporting that the special counsel is not recommending any further indictments. and as we all await the summary of the mueller report, there is
much to discuss with our team of reporters and legal analysts this hour. we begin at the white house with nbc's mike viqueira. another good sunday morning to you, my friend. so, the president has been exhibiting some pretty uncharacteristic, quiet and caution, refraining from tweeting on this topic. what say you about that? >> reporter: well, that is remarkable, isn't it, alex? and good morning to you. especially considering last weekend unleashing some 58 tweets in the course of 48 hours. silence from the white house as he spends his time at mar-a-lago, expected back at the white house later this afternoon. and all of washington, and i dare say much of the country on edge here. will it be vindication as republicans seem to be hoping and saying out loud publicly right now? or will there be more implication as many democrats and others have expected for the 22 months that bob mueller has been -- since bob mueller was appointed the special counsel now? our own kelly o'donnell had an opportunity to speak with rudy giuliani. he, of course, one of the president's lawyers. giuliani claims that there has
been no contact with bob mueller by the white house or giuliani himself over the course of the last four weeks. they have had no contact with the attorney general, bill barr, and rod rosenstein. as we know, those two individuals down the street at the department of justice spent much of yesterday going in what's in that mueller report, deciding what is going to be released later today. giuliani says "i think i know what's in it" and expects no evidence of collusion. of course, that is the bar that the president has been setting in his public comments over the course of the last several months -- no collusion, no collusion, no collusion has been the mantra. he's been preparing the battle field, if you will, for this day, trying to set that expectations game. but giuliani goes on to say he's not surprised if there be some smoke and mirrors that turn out to be nothing. giuliani says he had hoped that the white house would have an opportunity to respond before this went public. that doesn't appear to be the case. alex? >> okay. mike viqueira at the white
house. thank you. ken delainan is, nbc news intelligence and national reporter. ken, with a good sunday morning to you, do we have any indications that the white house may claim executive privilege as they perhaps want to prevent, even delay the release of some of the findings from the mueller report? >> good morning, alex. not on this initial tranche of information that attorney general william before bar's expected to transmit to congress as soon as today. there's been no indication that the white house is going to claim any privilege on that, because barr said that that would be the principal conclusions of robert mueller. he seems to be suggesting it's going to be a pretty bare-bones document that he'll send over to congress and make public at the same time, by the way, and this will be about who mueller decided not to prosecute and why. and the biggest revelation we could possibly expect there, i think, alex, would be if mueller for some reason said that he had evidence that president trump attempted to obstruct justice but that he couldn't prosecute the president because of that
olc legal opinion saying a sitting president couldn't be indicted. that would be a dramatic revelation. we have no idea whether that's the case. we don't know what evidence robert mueller has amassed in his investigation of obstruction of justice. we do know that since mueller didn't file conspiracy charges, it's very likely that he accuses the president of a crime involving conspiracy -- in fact, he couldn't do that in this indictment. and since there are no conspiracy charges against anyone else around trump, it's hard to imagine that the president himself could be accused of illegality. he can't conspire with himself. so, what we're waiting to see today is what this document will say. but then there is another tranche of information, alex, that will not be in this document that will be the subject of a later fight, and that's going to be a lot of interesting counterintelligence information going to the question of whether the president and anyone around him was compromised by russia. >> i'm curious, ken, can you try to get inside the head of william barr right now and how he explains what he puts forth today to president trump?
>> it's a fascinating conundrum. look, william barr is an established figure in washington. he was the attorney general in the first bush administration. so while he expressed skepticism about the mueller investigation famously in those letters before he was hired, and while president trump thinks he's his guy, barr's loyalty is to the justice department, and many people, critics of trump, allies of trump, believe that barr will be independent and do the right thing. and so, if he's about to hand something over to congress that makes donald trump look bad, i think he would say, look, sir, this is the way it goes. the chips -- we have to respect the independence of the special counsel, duly appointed. this was a justice department, non-partisan, professional investigation. that's where most people think barr will land, alex. >> so, ken, let's take a listen together to the chairman of the intel committee, adam schiff, talk being why he wants the full mueller report to be released. here he is. >> congress is going to need the underlying evidence because some of that evidence may go to the compromise of the president or people around him that poses a real threat to our national
security. >> based on what we've learned so far, ken, what do you think could be in the mueller report that would explain the president's behavior toward russia? i mean, is that even a viable expectation from the mueller report? or is this politics on the part of adam schiff, suggesting that there's something maybe a little more sinister that exists? >> no, i'm beginning to think it is an expectation, a reasonable expectation that robert mueller will delve into this. the issue is, that's all confidential right now, that information, and it won't be released today. but the question of donald trump and the trump tower/moscow deal that was being negotiated while trump was running for president and it was hidden from the voters -- adam schiff is saying that compromised donald trump, and there may be other information that we don't know about. i think it's very plausible that robert mueller will explore conduct short of crimes that potentially compromised or influenced the president and those around him just because we've seen so much public evidence of that, alex, and we've seen that the president
has been so reluctant to criticize vladimir putin. there has to be an explanation for that. it's reasonable that robert mueller has information that goes to that explanation and that it's in his report. the issue is that some of it may be highly classified to the extent that he used secret intelligence to gather from the russians, and there may be a big battle over whether we can ever see it. adam schiff's position is, though, that they have to brief at least the intelligence committees behind closed doors, in which case he's going to make some of it public. >> but you know, when i think about adam schiff, i mean, we're all heard a lot from him over the last couple of years. i've interviewed him a number of times. i feel like he's a man, particularly when i speak with him, he never says anything frivolously. so, do you think in his position as the head of the intel committee, he may have been exposed to classified information, and that is the basis on which he's saying what he's saying, that we need it all out there? >> oh, yeah, certainly he knows more than he can say in public about what the intelligence community gathered on the
russian election interference and whether it bears on any conduct by the trump campaign. you know, in fairness, though, the critics have accused him of moving the goal post. he used to talk a lot about the trump tower/manhattan meeting. now he talks more about the trump tower/moscow meeting because it doesn't appear there was a conspiracy with the russians by the trump campaign and now he's focusing on whether or not trump was compromised. that's a reasonable criticism, but also it's an important question for the american public to know whether their president has divided loyalties. i can't even believe i'm saying this on national television, but we know that the fbi started an investigation into that very question, and we all need to know the results of that, alex. >> you have a very good point there. pretty sobering that we are having that topic of conversation. ken, thank you. julia manchester, with "the hill" an jonathan allen with nbc news digital, good to see you. jonathan, you first. do you think the white house counsel is going to get a look at the report before it's released to anyone? and if that's the case, how
would that look? >> i'm not sure exactly what the timing is here, alex. obviously, the justice department, the white house often work closely together, but obviously, that's also been a problem for this white house and part of the reason that robert mueller was investigating possible obstruction of justice. i suspect that the white house lawyer certainly won't get any slower than anyone else does, and obviously, the justice department is putting this out to the media, at least the first part of this at the same time as congress, because as soon as you get something, capitol hill reporters get it. we're all going to get our first look, it looks like, at some point today, and then we can go forward from there. one thing i would say with regard to some of the great reporting by ken delainian just a moment ago -- we are going to run into these tensions. we are a government by the people and for the people and there is going to be great interest in the public having access to information from the government that is for the
people, and a lot of that information would normally have been classified. there's going to be huge tension there, alex, and i think we're going to be hearing fights about that over the course of the next several months. >> so jonathan, how much pull does the white house have in determining the content or timing of what ultimately is released? i mean, could the president, for example, stall releasing this report and call executive privilege? >> the president has the ability to release every bit of this report once he has it in his hands. he can declassify anything he wants. so, it's really if enough pressure builds on him to do it, he has the power to do that. >> okay. julia, republicans, democrats in congress, all pushing for transparency. they're calling on this report to be released to the public. but how do they differ on the reasoning? i mean, if you look just to the numbers, you have 420-0 in terms of a unanimous vote mid-march from the house saying we want this put out there publicly, but is there different reasoning
behind it? >> absolutely, alex. i think you're going to see democrats really want this to be released in order to justify, you know, lots of the investigations that are currently going on in the house. and i think in case anything that is maybe unflattering to the president, i think congressional democrats realize that will help them further in this investigation. however, republicans on the flip side are saying, while they're going to follow the president's, i guess rhetoric that you've seen throughout this entire 22 months, saying this was a witch hunt, this was all politically motivated -- they say that if there's really nothing in there, release it, and then the american people can essentially see that maybe it was a witch hunt. so, you're seeing totally different reasoning there but all definitely rallying for transparency in that regard. >> you know, julia, some democrats are already threatening to subpoena the report if they don't get full access, and can they do that if it contains classified information? >> i think that's going to be a
very tough question going forward. i mean, if there are true national security questions on a lot of the -- on the information that is contained in the report, i think you're going to see quite a bit of tension there between the justice department and the democrats, and sink you could potentially see an -- and adam schiff has said this before -- they could even subpoena robert mueller before the committee. robert mueller is someone who doesn't really like those big press conferences or the, you know, big committee hearings in front of all of the cameras. so, it's something he would reluctantly have to do. however, you're going to see democrats not give up on trying to get as much information as possible. this is a caucus that has really lobbied around and rallied around all of these investigations into president trump, and they really do not want to make it seem like it was in vain at this point. >> what do you think, john, if anything, is most likely to happen as we await the a.g. report here? i mean, how do you see this playing out? >> mithe president will declare
himself exonerated almost no matter what comes out of that report, even if there are some things in there that don't look good for him or for the people in his orbit, even if the decision by special counsel robert mueller is to not prosecute him based on insufficient evidence or on the doj legal council memo saying that the president can't be prosecuted, but i expect to say he's vindicated, exonerated, no collusion, et cetera. and i expect democrats to treat this like the end of the beginning and continue to investigate a variety of other potential crimes. >> yeah. you know what's interesting, the president hasn't said anything yet, and i want to cite a report from kristen welker. she's just letting us all at nbc news know, julia, that according to three sources, the president's advisers are encouraging him to stay off of twitter, to refrain from public comment until more is known
about what is in the report. ultimately, it is up to the president to determine when he tweets, but so far, he is following the advice. we haven't seen one mueller-related tweet since, i guess friday. that's an awful long time, wouldn't you say, julia? so. >> yeah. >> i can't ask you to get inside the president's head. i mean, come on. but fact that he's not tweeting. do you think this is a sobering moment for him down at mar-a-lago before he returns to washington and see what awaits him here? >> absolutely. and i think the president, there might be some sort of relief right now knowing that the report is over. however, although -- and we've seen republicans seizing on the fact that there are no indictments. you know, there could be some damaging information still within the report, and i think the president realizes this. so i think he's trying to kind of put out a front by going out and playing golf, having kid rock post a picture on twitter with him on the golf course on mar-a-lago yesterday, that he is relaxing, that he is not
necessarily paying attention. because i think the more it seems that he started tweeting about the mueller report, that could raise some eyebrows as to what he's thinking. is he nervous? you know, does he expect anything more damaging to drop? so, i think his advisers are very wise in telling him to stay off of twitter at this point. >> julia manchester, jonathan allen, good to talk with you both on a sunday morning. thank you! >> take care, alex. >> thank you. what nikki haley said about the mueller report and donald trump that set off the twitter world. we've got a look at that next. r world. we've got a look at that next. a. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
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new concerns this morning after 22 months and nearly 200 criminal charges over still unanswered questions in the mueller report, including a key revelation in roger stone's indictment about a senior trump campaign official who was, quote, directed to contact roger stone about any additional releases from wikileaks. a new article in "the atlantic" says the former trump adviser is the closest mueller has publicly come to so far establishing a link between trump's campaign and the russian hackers. well, joining me now, criminal defense attorney ashleigh merchant and msnbc legal contributor katie phang. ladies, with a good sunday morning to you both. katie, first to you. since there are no charges here on the roger stone matter, does this suggest that there's no clear link between trump's campaign and russia through stone, or could this have been passed on to another district? >> well, it certainly could have
been passed on to another jurisdiction in terms of a prosecutor to be able to deal with the implications from that. fundamentally, what we do have is one indictment currently pending against roger stone that was brought by the mueller team, and that's really kind of the whole basis behind everybody's speculation about the pending release of the principal conclusions by barr of this mueller report. are there other unraveling tendrils that were begun by the mueller investigation that will touch upon not only actors, defendants, people that we know about right now, but maybe people we know should have been implicated, if not indicted by now, and have not been indicted yet? and so, i think that there's a lot of unanswered questions, but i think the reality is that mueller created an environment where the evidence had a safe place to go and that the report itself sets forth his decisions behind prosecutions and the declination or decline of
pursuing certain prosecutions, providing the roadmap perhaps for other offices to pursue. >> ashleigh, to katie's point there, another question left unanswered and unindicted is donald trump jr. >> right. >> there are no more charges. he was a key player in the infamous trump tower meeting, so what does that tell you about the meeting and why mueller may not have been able to convict? >> i think we're going to see sort of a downward spiral and a different effect from this report. i think just like michael cohen, when he was actually prosecuted in another jurisdiction, it started with the mueller report, but then it ended up being transferred to another jurisdiction, and i think we're going to see that. we might see that with donald junior. i think there will be more indictments coming, but i don't think they'll be coming from the actual mueller investigation, obviously, since that is closed. but that led to other discoverable information that was then sent off to other agencies, and those agencies in those districts could actually then indict folks, just like we saw with cohen. and so, i think we might see donald junior being indicted on this but on a different level
playing field, on a different jurisdiction, not part of the mueller investigation. >> so, katie, what do you think? i mean, is ashleigh right? do you think we're talking about southern district of new york for donald trump jr.? >> at a minimum. i mean, the litany of potential pitfalls that could be facing somebody like donald trump jr., ivanka trump, jared kushner, the list goes on and on, involves what, the trump foundation, the trump inaugural committee, the trump organization, campaign finance violations, tax fraud. i mean, the list goes on and on. and so, i think that people have been saying on one side, look, there has been no indictment of donald trump. well, yeah, i mean, so that doesn't mean that robert mueller didn't give the evidence to bill barr through his report to be able to state that there was enough there, he just couldn't do it. we don't know. but we have people on the side who are disappointed that sitting president of the united states didn't get indicted. i mean, what a sad day that would have to be. but i think what we need to do is wait and see, because barr's only going to give, quote,
principal conclusions, and that's such an open-ended concept, alex. so beyond that, if we want more, keeping in mind that there's national security, grand jury, classified information and executive privilege that could prevent full disclosure of the report, we may see a subpoena served on bill barr. we may see a subpoena served on robert mueller, and we may go to court to see whether or not those people have to actually go and speak to congress about what's in that report. >> we might well see that. all right, let's look at former u.n. ambassador nikki haley, who took to twitter after the news that mueller had finished the investigation. here's what she said on twitter -- "everyone has to acknowledge that trump did not interfere in the investigation." ashleigh, do you agree? does the conclusion prove that? because the president's declared this investigation was a witch hunt like 170 times or so, he's attacked the special counsel for 22 months. is that sufficient to suggest interference, what we're just stating here? because it was all public. it was not done behind the
scenes. >> right. >> so, what are your thoughts here? >> i think that the fact that the president wasn't indicted doesn't mean that the president didn't do something wrong. it doesn't mean he didn't do something morally wrong, ethically wrong and certainly doesn't mean he didn't do something criminally wrong. i think what we see is a doj policy. mueller was never going to be able to indict president trump. that was not his job and role. his job was to investigate and present the findings to the attorney general. now it's up to congress what they can do with those findings and also is up to other jurisdictions, just like the southern district of new york. these findings, this investigation is going to be referred out. it's going to be expanded. and those other jurisdictions will be able to then pick up the lead where mueller left off and prosecute individuals. we will see something happen with president trump, but it's not going to be through mueller and it's not going to be an indictment. it's going to be through congress. that's where they're actually able to do something, because you cannot indict a sitting president. the doj is never going to allow that. it's against their policy. and it's just, it's against our
entire system of democracy. you cannot indict a sitting president. so, what we've got to do now is we've got to let congress pick up where mueller has left off and do their job. >> ashleigh merchant and katie phang, thanks, ladies, for doing your job on the show. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. it is just a matter of hours before congress and the public learn some of what was in the mueller report, but what might congress do to get the entire truth? and a strong rebuke of the president from one of the most respected congressmen and why he insists trump must go, next. tru. these days we're all stressed. i hear you, sister. stress can affect our minds. i call this dish, "stress." stress can also affect our bodies. so, i'm partnering with cigna to remind you that your emotional and physical health are more connected than you think.
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in a few hours, members of congress are expecting the first details of the principal conclusions of the mueller report. joining me now, congressman john garamend garamendi, member of the transportation and armed services committee and welcome guest on this show frequently. good to have you back on a sunday morning. >> good to be with you, alex. >> let's talk, sir, about what you can tell us about the 3:00 p.m. conference call among democrats yesterday. i know you were on it. so tell us something we don't know. >> well, there's not much i can tell you that hasn't already been said. the chairman of the -- chairpeople of the six committees that are relevant that are doing investigations all spoke about their need to
have the full report, to have all of the information so that they could verify what previous witnesses have said, so they could gather additional information on the task that they have before them. and so, that was basically it. all of them calling for full transparency for all of the information to be made public. and by the way, every member of congress voted precisely to have that happen. >> yep, 420. it was anonymous. >> yes. >> not a one in descension there. what does your gut tell you about the contents of the mueller report? i mean, after we heard that a.g. barr was reviewing the report for nine hours yesterday! >> well, my guess is, and if you would, my gut tells me that there is an incredible amount of information in there, and that for reasons that speak directly to the department of justice's, i guess rule that a president could not be indicted, that that didn't happen. but there's enormous information
in that report that speaks to many of the things that we've already seen. keep in mind that there are 34 indictments. seven of those have been either pled guilty or found guilty, including the campaign manager for the trump 2016 presidential campaign, as well as the national security adviser. and beyond that, russians have been indicted. so, there's a lot of things that have already happened. i am sure that the report will have much more detail about that and many of the other things the american public wants to know. this has consumed us for more than two years, and we simply, we, the american public, wants to know, and i dare say the rest of the world is equally curious. >> but if, sir, the contents of the report turn out to not be as damaging for the president as some critics are expecting, should the democrats consider cushing congressional investigations or not pursuing
them as strenuously as potentially before? and to further that, should impeachment be fully off the table? >> we don't know. sitting here sunday morning, hours away from new headlines, but not any of the detail that backs up those headlines. when mr. barr puts forth his headlines, an outline of what is in the report. so we simply don't know. what we do know is that there has been 34 indictments, seven people found guilty, and that there are ongoing investigations in the southern district of new york and here in washington, d.c. there is a lot of activity going on. we do know that congress is investigating. we do know that there was a wild discrepancy in the intelligence committee between what chairman nunes and ranking member smith
had to say, so those are open questions, and we need to get to the bottom of it. keep in mind that there is no doubt that russia meddled and tried to interfere -- or not tried, did interfere in the 2016 election. we have to protect our democracy. we have to protect our electoral process. and that means we need to get to the bottom of what happened, who was involved. and frankly, there really ought to be a new law that simply says any american that works with a foreign power to influence the election has committed a crime. now, we don't have that law on the books yet today. we do have for finance, foreign governments, foreign individuals cannot finance the campaign, and there is another question that's still open for investigation and for information. >> what about -- well, i want to play for you what your fellow democrat congressman john lewis told my colleague, joy reid, yesterday. take a listen to that, sir. >> do you believe donald trump should be impeached?
>> well, i think that day will come. i think that day will come. i don't think he's legitimate. i said it at the end of the election, and i still believe that today. >> that he is not a legitimate president? >> is not a legitimate president. >> congressman garamendi, do you agree with this, with respect to the question of legitimacy? >> he won the electoral college. there is no doubt about that. how he won it, that's the question about russian involvement, but he won. and it was determined that he did. so, yes, he is our president, but i could not find a person with whom i would disagree more than donald trump on a variety of very, very fundamental policies, tax policies, international policy and the like. i find that that's where i am in disagreement with him. as to his legitimacy, he is the president. did he win this, the election
legitimately? it makes no difference. he is our president, and we'll see where it goes from here, the investigations and the rest. talk of impeachment is clearly premature. will there be additional information that would change that? we don't know. that's why we need to have the mueller report in its fullness, in all of the backup data. you can take out the issues of national secrecy and the various methods in which information was obtained, but we need that information, because we really need to make it clear to the american public as well as to the world that our elections are sound, that they are legitimate, that there's nobody interfering, no foreign power interfering with our elections. and we're just less than two years away from the next election, so we have work to do here. >> we do. >> and the american public needs to have confidence in our electoral process. >> congressman john garamendi, thank you, sir, as always. >> thank you. >> nice to see you. >> thank you. one trump administration
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house, but at some point, if they don't provide us the information that the american people and congress say that we need, then we're going to have to go to subpoenas. >> democratic congressman ted lieu, member of the house judiciary committee, as washington anticipates the findings of the mueller report. nbc news has learned the attorney general could be releasing the principal conclusions late this afternoon. let's bring in republican strategist brian darling, founder and president of liberty government affairs, and bishop garrison, co-founder of the joseph raney center for public policy. hey, fellas! good so to see you both on a sunday morning. thanks for joining me. >> good to see you. >> good morning. >> bishop, first to you. do you think we'll get answers about the questions about the president, his family in the principal conclusions we expect today? and how telling is it that there were not any mueller indictments specifically against donald trump jr. or jared kushner? >> thank you for having me. good morning, alex. i don't think we should read too much into anything until we know what is actually in the report,
and we should call upon the department of justice and attorney
general to do everything they can to release the report in its entirety as soon as humanly possible. the american people are elected representation, the media, we all have a right to know what is actually in the report. it's hard for us to say what no additional indictments actually mean at this point. it could just be that the special counsel declined to take this on himself and is looking to maybe the attorney general of new york, but we really can't know until we've seen more of what is actually in the report and we have a better understanding of it. >> so brian, that whole last part that bishop was just going through, is it possible that republicans are celebrating the end of the mueller probe prematurely? i mean, is there still potential risk to the president and his family if this report reveals some new information that advances other investigations? >> yeah, i think both sides.
maybe the republicans are spiking the football a little bit early. i think democrats are already setting the table for charges of a conspiracy and hiding information. and so, i do think that's a problem. i think we all do need to wait. take a few hours, take a deep breath, see what we see. i do believe that this report also should be released to the american public. but one of my concerns is that democrats are already moving the goal post in this investigation. they're not just calling for the report to be released, they're calling for all of the underlying documents to be released. nancy pelosi is refusing confidential briefings on the matter. they're already setting up a scenario where they can claim a cover-up and basically move towards a congressional investigation and one they've already started, to continue this de facto impeachment of the president of the united states. >> you want to respond to that, bishop, about moving the goal posts? >> well, one thing i definitely want to agree with brian on is i think this is a non-partisan issue at the end of the day. we both really want to know and see what is in the report in its
entirety, unabbreviated. and that's something that i think we should all really stress. this is for the good of the american people. we want to understand and know and not have kpeconspiracy theos about what is in report and what it actually means. i don't believe that speaker pelosi is trying to move the goal post. i think she's doing what she can to take a tactical move here in order to see that that report is released in its entirety as we all want to see it. >> so, brian, how comprehensive should the a.g. principal conclusions be that we expect to get this afternoon to try to satisfy both parties and the american public, or do you think whatever comes out, backlash is inevitable? >> i think whatever comes up, backlash is inevitable, but i do think that as much information as can come out is for the good of the american people. i think we're both agreeing, me and bishop, on the issue of transparency. i think that the american people deserve to see this report, they
want to see this report. it will quiet conspiracies in both the right and the left, and it will help to put this mueller report in the back, in the rearview mirror, which we all dearly want. i mean, i think we're all having burnout from the mueller report and want to move on with our lives and actually talk about policy in the future. >> that's interesting. bishop, do you think that's also what may be behind "the new york times" new article on the 2020 race? it's titled "at democratic campaign events, mueller report is barely mentioned." what do you think's behind that? >> well, i think it goes to brian's point. i mean, it's incredible the level of agreement we have this morning on this topic. but i think the american people, they really want to be able to move forward. they want to know what's in the report so we can get back to ideas on everything from health care to national security to the environment and anything else, education that we need to cover across a broad spectrum of policies. like, we're tired.
we're exasperated. we want to know what's in the report so we can move forward together as a nation in a healthy manner. >> how surprised are you, brian, in the fact that the president has been so silent this weekend? no tweets. kristen welker's reporting says three sources familiar with the matter are saying his advisers are saying, don't do it. we've got to wait until we hear what this report says before you can start tweeting. are you surprised he's listening to them? >> i am. i wonder if one of his staffers changed his password to get into twitter, because it is shocking. but i'm sure we will see a twitter storm once that report is released in part or in full, where the president will have his spin and have his say. >> all right. bishop and brian, you guys, thanks for the chat and for the laugh. that was a good one. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. so, we've come to know her as aoc, but what you don't know about congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez may surprise you. you're going to find out that next. se you you're going to find out that next this is your invitation to be our guest.
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country, and our ability to articulate it. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez talking about the political movement she's come to represent since the election. at 29 she's the youngest woman ever to be elected to congress, and she's become a lightening rod since she got there. the subject of a new time magazine profile, change is closer than we think, inside alexandria ocasio-cortez's unlikely rise. let's get right into this, charlotte, with a welcome to you because she's become a fenomsince she staged this upset. why do you think she resonates so strongly and reverberates with voters across the country, too? >> i think people are just fascinated by her. partly because she's totally broken the mold of what a member of congress is supposed to look like, what kind of background a
member of congress has typically had. you know, this is pretty much her first big full-time high powered job. >> can you believe that? i mean, this is her first full time job. >> she shaz worked full time jobs. this is her first big job. he worked as an organizer, in edge ka education, worked as a bartender. but until she worked for congress she was really piecing things together. >> so much of the article focuses on her roots, but she says this phrase, that the zip code determines destiny. how has it shaped her path sph. >> that's a great question. so i mean hers is really a story where she's rooted in the bronx. her parents, her father's from there, her mother's from puerto rico. so she really was aware of the
other members of her family who stayed in the bronx had totally different outcomes than she did. she sended up going to boston university, a great science student. she got to work for senator ted kennedy and his office. she was an intern. but some of her cousins who grew up in the bronx didn't have the same education opportunities she did and was having kids by the time she was in college. so that made her aware, wow, getting to go to a better school really changes the opportunities you have. >> do you think she sees herself more as a fire brand or a serious legislator, because a lot of the issues she's put forward are deemed to be extraordinary in terms of being aspirational but realistically probably will not come to fruition in terms of law. >> so i think she's an activist with a congressional pin. and i would sort of push back on the idea that being a fire brand is somehow less serious because i think it really depends on the
frame of reference for these kinds of issues. so, for example, her green new deal is not going to happen in the next two years. we all know that. she knows that. there's a, you know, republican led senate, a republican in the white house, it's not going to happen. but to her mind, and i think this is an interesting perspective, she's not thinking about what can get done in the next two years. she's thinking about what can get done in the next ten careers, and her district is so sa safe, safely blue. she doesn't really have to run against a republican in the next two years. she's not going to have a serious challenger that she can afford to think long-term. what she's doing is building political capital for issues so when there is a democrat in the white house, when there is a democratic led senate issues like the green new deal and medicare for all will be teed up and ready to go.
>> it's extraordinary and a great profile including the black and white photos of her out and about in the bronx. lots more to talk about. thank you so much, charlotte. ahead on up, the five key questions stemming from the mueller report. but will they likely be answered today? y likely be answered today? $4.95. delivery drones or the latest phones. $4.95. no matter what you trade, at fidelity it's just $4.95 per online u.s. equity trade. no matter what you trade, at fidelity and i don't add trup the years.s. but what i do count on... is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. boost® high protein. be up for life.
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we've got a couple of people filling in for david guirra. stay tuned. hello, everyone. welcome to a special edition of "up." >> the count down is on. everybody, all eyes are on attorney general william barr as he remains the sole individual in possession of the mueller report, and only he will determine who else gets to see it. >> attorney general barr should be proceeding this weekend to convey to the house and senate judiciary committees the principle conclusions of the report. >> and the democrats are gearing up for a fight holding an emergency meeting to strategies their next move. >> we need to know the underlying evidence so that congress can fulfill our oversight missions. >> meanwhile, forget