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"a.m. joy" will be back next week. up next, alex witt. >> we wait together. >> we wait and see when we'll get details. the top nuggets from the mueller investigation. >> happy to wait with you. >> thank you very much. my friend. good to watch you the last couple hours. good day to you. it is high noon right now in the east, 9:00 out west. waiting game. what is the mueller report is a mystery but it's sparking fire right now. >> we know there was collusion. >> not a single person was indicted for colluding with the russians. >> there is significant evidence of collusion. >> there is not any finding of collusion whatsoever. >> one of the big questions, will the president get a sneak peak and might his lawyers try to stall parts of the report from going public? on the 2020 trail the kick off for kristen, she's holding
nothing back. new this hour, a potential battle brewing over executive privilege as the attorney general is expected to release the top findings from that mueller report any moment now. the chair of the judiciary committee where impeachment proceedings start warning the white house not to try to prevent parts of the mueller report from being released. >> i do not believe it exists here at all because as we learned from the nixon tapes case, executive privilege cannot hide or be used to hide wrongdoing and in that case, the supreme court 9-0 ordered that all the claims of executive privilege be over ridden. the president may try to assert it and hide things behind it but i don't think that's right or successful. >> top legal voices say this is just the end of the beginning on investigations surrounding this president, but a republican representative close to the president has a different idea. >> they don't think this mull
ore report will be the bombshell they anticipated it would be. they are launching all kinds of other charges and investigations. if he's going to release the information, i want all of it released. i want the conversations between bruce orr and christopher steele, the guy that wrote the dossier and fisa application to be made. >> renewing his call to see mueller's underlying evidence to see if it explains the president's behavior towards russia. >> we in the intelligence community have a particular obligation to determine whether there is evidence that the president may be compromise in anyway, whether that is criminal or not and there is significant evidence of collusion. there is a difference between compelling evidence of collusion and whether the special counsel concludes that he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt the criminal charge of conspiracy. >> and republican senator ted cruz is attacking democrats over talks of impeachment.
>> you ask whether the house will impeach the president. i'll ask that. yes. they don't care about the basis, bob mueller made a serious mistake when he brought together the team of investigators or lawyers and selected so many partisan democrats. it undermined the credibility and inpartimpartiality of the s counsel's office. >> a poll found 52% approve of how the special counsel is conducted his investigation into russian interference and possible obstruction of justice. here is what else we know this hour. william barr could release the principle conclusions this afternoon and it will be sent via e-mail to congressional leaders and the media. now yesterday, barr discussed with the deputy attorney general rod rose enstenstein what infor to release and all investigations by mueller be perceived and nancy pelosi requests all briefings be unclassified so they can speak
openly about it. as we anticipate the release of the mueller report summery, there say lot to examine with our correspondents looking for the latest word. first, pete williams, nbc justice correspondent. welcome to you on sunday. so is the attorney general on track, will congress get a summery today? >> probably. that's the best word i can give you. that's certainly the plan i'm told by members of congress and staffs they expect to get this with what before arr said -- ba said. we don't know how comprehensive it will be. it might be quite narrow. i say that based on letter barr sent to congress on friday. the letter did a couple things. it fulfilled barr's only obligations under the regulat n regulatio regulations, which is to tell
congress mueller is done and the justice department never said no to anything he wanted. there is another paragraph describing the report that mueller sent to barr summarizing as the regulations require who mueller prosecuted and who he declined to prosecute. it's in that paragraph barr says i hope to give you the principle conclusions mueller reached by this weekend. it's possible and in fact quite plausible to read the letter as saying when he says principle conclusions, he means that narrow thing who was prosecuted and not. there could be a lot of very interesting material in who wasn't prosecuted and was investigated but how much of that we're going to get we don't know, alex. so, you know, i'm in a position to say i don't know what we're going to get and when but it seems like we'll get something later today. >> you do make that sound really good, though, pete williams. here is a question.
the the doj has zero president. are there concerns of bias in terms of timing if they wait too long to provide mueller conclusions? >> no, not that i know of. i've not heard anything about that and it seems like bill barr is keeping the promise during his confirmation hearing to get out what he can as quickly as possible. i mean, we found out publicly the very moment that congress was given this letter. i mean, the attorney general is required under the rules to tell congress when mueller is done, but the rules don't say anything about the second he's done, and we know from the letter that barr received mueller's report on friday and he told congress that day and the moment he told congress, he also released it publicly. it does seem like he's trying to get the word out as quickly as he can. >> pete, by your description of what the expectations are, there is no confirmation but the
expectation like a bullet point summery. is it expected that the white house counsel's office could get a sneak peak of the mueller report so then it could possibly invoke executive privilege as it sees fit? meaning of course, the president would also get an early look because it is presumed that within the mueller report, there might be evidence of conversations that the president would have and something that he might deem to be worthy of executive privilege? >> yeah, i suppose that could happen down the road. is it possible? yes. but remember what executive privilege is. you know, first of all, it's been defined by the courts in stages and never very clearly and this whole concept didn't really arise until the eisenhower administration. so in the history of america, it's relatively new. and it's at its strongest when its right around the president. when it's conversations the president had with people in the oval office. as you get further and further
away, the police officer lag ri and weaker. if it's people mueller interviewed that were not in conversation with the president and an attempt to exert executive privilege there would be weak. if it's regarding people testifying about conversations they had with the president, well presumably there might be an executive privilege claim to be made there and if they assert it and congress wants to challenge it, then it goes to court and it becomes a bit of a mirky court battle. there aren't any really clear guidelines here. it's just a very -- it's a very difficult balance to achieve and there is no bright lines i guess is the way, what i'm trying to say here. is it possible they will get briefed? yes. we're trying to find out whether they will. i just don't know how that will work. >> okay. pete williams, thank you for joining us. i suspect you'll be around next hour, too. let's go to kelly o'donnell in west palm beach florida where the president is. kelly, with a welcome to you on this sunday. we got reports about the mood
right now around the president. what are you hearing as we anticipate the report highlights sometime today. >> reporter: we're looking for any science of tigns of the preg prepared to say more. we had a long break from usually twitter activity. the president has not commented on the usual way he would in the mueller investigation. he's been spending time this morning at one of his golf resorts here in this area and scheduled to return to washington middle of this afternoon. so it could become more eventful as the day unfolds. there is a sense from talking to people close to the president that there is a relief that there would be no additional indictments based on nbc's reporting coming out of the mueller investigation and there is a sense, as well, that that might be viewed as vindication and that will be a part of an on going political argument. we don't expect any specific comment from the white house today after we hear something
from the department of justice, that could change but at the moment, the real clear indication is waiting for william barr, the president's attorney general to act and next steps. when you look at the outside associations with his personal legal counsel, that's a different category. the president has rudy ghoul jo -- giuliani and jay sec cue low and others working on his behalf. he said there is no conclusion or interference. he did not assert privilege. the president did submit written questions, not an in person interview with any of the investigators and say that on its face is a sign there is no interference and believe it will reflect favorably on the white house. they acknowledge in whatever narrative may come out through this report, there may be things that are critical of the president's conduct when it
comes to the firing of james comey but they again, insist that the president did not obstruct justice, had the article 2 power in order to fire someone like the fbi director. we're waiting for that to play out. the president's personal lawyers do not expect any sneak peak and remember, some of the lawyers with the president this weekend, his white house counsel and his white house special counsel who are those on the front lines of interfacing with the investigation, they represent the office of the president, not the president personally. alex? >> important distinction. okay. kelly o'donnell, thank you. we'll see you again, no doubt. joining me, representative david a member of both the judiciary and foreign affairs committee. welcome back to the broadcast on this important weekend. you may have heard my conversation with pete williams talking about executive privilege and it has a rather nebulous definition is what pete was saying. there is not really straight lines around it.
that said, do you believe that the president has the right to claim executive privilege in preventing the release of some parts of the mueller report? >> well, alex, it's hard to answer that question without seeing the contents of the report but i think in general we should be very skeptical about the president's ability to invoke executive privilege sort of rote tretroactively. some of the information was collected from other sources the president would have no claim of executive privilege. you cannot invoke it to cover up wrongdoing. so i think one has to look at the contents of the report, but this notion that somehow the president and his lawyers can keep the contents of this secret from the american people by just blanketly asserting executive privilege is totally misleading and very unlikely that he'll have a legitimate claim to executive privilege but of course, without seeing the contents of the report and his assertion of that claim, it's hard to know that for sure. >> based on kelly's reporting just now, that they are not expected as in the white house
to get an advanced look, if the president does not claim executive privilege, should the white house be allowed to review the report to determine if there are any legitimate reasons to with hold any kind of information? >> no, i think it would be completely inappropriate. the president and his administration were targets or subjects of this investigation. a number of his people in his inner circle have been accused of and convicted of crimes. the idea you would let the subject or target of an investigation review the report and then make some determination what they are going to release or selectively allow some of it to be released would be turning kind of our justice system on its head. this report belongs to the american people. we should not forget this investigation was begun because of a serious amount of evidence that the russians, a foreign adversary of the united states attacked our democracy. and this was done on behalf of the american people. this investigation, the american people are entitled to know the contents of this report and all
the evidence that led to the conclusions in it and i know we're going to fight as hard as we can to make sure the american people know the truth and see the report in its entirety. >> okay. i want to ask you about criminal collusion. republicans today are adamantly saying because there were no indictments or charges filed against anyone for colluding with russians in the trump orbit that it means it simply didn't happen. why does the chair of the judiciary committee insist on collusion and i guess, as you analyze it, what's the reason for keeping that narrative alive? is it for political reasons? >> we should remember the special counsel had a very limited per vi limited per view and he apparently made decisions there was insufficient evidence to move forward with specific charges on conspireing between american citizens and the russians and we need to look at his report to understand how he came to that conclusion. we also know that the department of justice has taken the position erroneously that a
sitting president cannot be indicted. so one could ill mag gin magine detail misconduct or criminal behavior of the president but then conclude that under doj guidelines they can't move forward with the prosecution. if that were in fact in the mueller report, certainly the american people have a right to know that and congress has a responsibility to learn that so we can conduct our oversight work. it's hard to speculate but for sure, the fact that there may not have been a criminal charge brought does not mean that individuals did not engage in misconduct. there are a range of reasons a prosecutor may not bring a charge and maybe thinks he can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt but there is ample evidence to prove something happens. again, that's why we need to see the report. see all of the contents of the report and to see the supporting evidence that led to the conclusions that the special counsel came to. there has not been a special counsel with a more important responsibility. the only time it was used is in
the branch divide case and it was fully leased to the public. surely, there is as much public interest in this. we ought to follow that president. >> i want to advance your use of the word misconduct. is there a difference between trying to collude and actually colluding? because democrats point to this trump tower russia meeting in june of 2016 as evidence of collusion. is there concrete, tangible result from that meeting? >> you can be guilty of a crime of attempting to conspire even if you are the conspiracy unsuccessful. if it is the fact individuals attempted to conspire and weren't successful in completing the act, doesn't mean that they haven't committed a crime. the criminal law identifies both offenses that are committed and attempts to commit those offenses. it may well be the case there is evidence people attempted to conspire. we're not successful in the special counsel concluded that criminal charges were not
appropriate for some reason. it's difficult to engage in the speculation without knowing the facts which is why sharing the contents is so critical to members of congress and the american people so we can make judgments based on what we need to do as a country to protect against this attack again and what we need to continue to investigate in the areas of corruption, self-dealing, abuse of power, the things we announced recently. there is more work to do. >> let's take a listen to the chair of the intel committee criticizing mueller for not compelling the president to testify under oath. here it is. >> i think and i've said this all along, it was a mistake to rely on written responses by the president that's again really more what the lawyer has to say than what the individual has to say. i can certainly understand why the lawyers like giuliani were fighting this because the president is someone who seems
incapable of telling the truth for a long time. >> do you agree with that? did mueller let the president off the hook and is that a sense of frustration to you? >> he clearly did let him off the hook in the sense that he didn't attempt to compel testimony from the president. i think chairman schiff is right. it's hard to understand why that didn't happen here. i have tremendous respect for mr. mueller. i'm anxious to see the report, anxious to see the conclusions he drew and judgments he made and what evidence persuaded him to do it. i think that's why it's so valuable to see not only the report but all the supporting material that contributed to the report before i can make a judgment was there another reason that mr. mueller decided not to pursue interviewing the president. i think chairman schiff is right. it's absent compelling information that seems like a mistake. >> representative dave, come so
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>> chair of the house intel committee adam schiff pressing for full disclosure of the release of principle findings. joining me, mike, charlie salve vagu sal savage. thanks for joining me. mike, i know you're on capitol hill. there there a timeline. >> alex, i'm keeping a close eye on my phone. i've been trading texts and they will get a notification whether the attorney general intends to give a top line summery. there is indication perhaps that is going to happen today. of course, the halls here are empty. lawmakers are at home in their districts ending what would be a week-long recess. just whether that report or at least the summery of the report comes today will help define the political and legal battle field
here on capitol hill, as you've heard on a number of shows, republicans suggesting they believe the president is vindicated and heartened by the fact there were no additional indictments when mueller announced he concluded the investigation. democrats are using scope and transparency. they are reminding people whatever the mueller report may find or not find with criminal wrongdoing by the president or top aids, his charge was was li question of collusion and obstruction of justice and there are a number of other investigations and other jurisdictions throughout the country that have been spun off from the mueller report itself and of course, they have their own investigations they have been ramping up on capitol hill. so what exactly we hear here today will be critical. the thing that i think we're hearing from jerry nadler on a sunday show today is this question of whether or not the justice department, whether mueller has decided not to bring charges against the president because of this olc guidance,
the policy at the justice department that a sitting president can't be indicted is a critical question on capitol hill because if that is the reason that mull ore speller spe did not bring charges, they will say they need to bring all that evidence to capitol hill to act. >> okay. charlie, looking at an article you wrote about executive privilege and at the end of this article, you talk about all the difference reasons for it. there is a number of layers to all this but what is your biggest take away on executive privilege in terms of who gets to decide what? >> well, in the end if there is a fight over executive privilege and both sides dig in, a court will decide because congress will subpoena william barr and hold him in contempt. he'll say i had a lawful reason not to turn it over because the president asserted executive privilege and the judge will decide was that legitimate or not?
let moe give you one quick example how this could matter building off what we heard. if the conclusion is we're not going to indict trump, but it's because of that olc memo that says presidents can't be indicted, maybe that's buried in an underlying memo that don't go over as part of the report but there is another piece of this, running through the obstruction of justice conversation for the last two years has been an argument by proponents of strong presidential power, including trump's own legal team that obstruction of justice laws passed by congress can't apply to the president when he does something like decide not to pursue a case and mike flynn or remove a sjames comey and congress can't constrain it by saying if you use that for a corrupt purpose, that's a crime. there was no obstruction of justice law violated here but there might be abuse of power hidden in a memo underneath the report. >> okay. i want to get to you abigail because a.g. barr will decide
what to share with congress. do you think that barr would be more likely to bow to pressure from congress and the public which seems fairly united on this front? or do one man the president of the united states? >> so i think one of the big take aways from barr's senate confirmation hearing is he did stress the designation in the special counsel statute of this report being confidential. but i think one of the key take aways is that congress especially democrats on the hill have really said they are not going to accept that the report doesn't become public and you saw comments as others on this program have just laid out, you saw comments from jerry nadler, you saw them from adam schiff. democrats are really ready to go to war over the release of this report especially when you look at what charlie laid out in terms of other considerations that may have been taken by barr or mueller regarding bringing charges against the president
given these memos that are in existence. i think whether barr initially tries to put up a fight and really sort of prevent the full release of the report really is something that he might start with but congress is sending a signal that won't do and i think one of the important things to think of is looking back when republicans were in charge in the house last year and some of the actions that they took regarding the now infamous devin nunes memo in terms of the press doe precedence for doj and underlying evidence for investigations to congress. i think one of the things is a little bit republicans shot themselves in the foot with the way that they say documents from doj last year and really think democrats are signaling that they are ready to go to court over this or subpoena robert mueller to go to congress if it comes to that. >> apologize for the brevity of this conversation. i will thank you because you
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>> as congress awaits the special counsel's report, house intelligence adam schiff is putting the president's relationship with russia under the microscope. >> we have a particular obligation to determine whether there is evidence that the president may be compromised in any way. there is evidence for example quite in the public realm that the president sought to make money from the russians and make money during the presidential campaign while denying business ties with the are yrussians. that is obviously deeply compromising. >> joining me now, staff writer for "the atlantic." welcome to you. is it possible that all of the intel committee hearings that representative schiff has taken part in has given him insight the president was compromised. he's been to confidence hearings and cannot specifically talk about. might that be behind the stance
he takes? >> of course, alex. there is still so much that we don't know that shrouded in the fact that these hearings and these, you know, interviews they have done with multiple witnesses over the last few years, not just the house intel committee but senate intel committee as well have been dealing with highly classified information and that's why there is a lot of secrecy surrounding these probes and the committee tried to be more chantransparent they were blocked by the house republicans in the first year of their investigation. the senate intel committee by contrast is very, very private. we don't know virtually anything about their investigation, about how its unfolded and when it might end. there is a lot here in terms of what congress knows that we don't and the fact alone that the president was engaging in talks with the russians in 2016 while they were attacking our election to pursue a multimillion business deal in
moscow, something that he had wanted for decades, something that he had been chasing his entire real estate career pretty much is enough to say look, the president was clearly compromised here especially because he was lying about it to the american public when he said he had no business ties to russia. this is an extremely large flag and i think schiff is completely right to make note. >> democrats are looking for an explanation for the president's cozy relationship with russia. what you said there, the president's per pseudofor deurs, is that going to be within mueller's report? is that the exec popectation or analysis of that? >> that's hard to predict what will be covered by the report that he gave to the attorney general because ultimately, what the attorney general told us on friday was that mueller outlined his prosecution decisions and
would only deal with criminal activity. in terms of what we learn about whether the president was or continues to be compromised by russia, you would think that that really is the core of the mueller probe, right? that when the russians interfered in the election did trump help? because they have leverage over him. did he help and did he try to cover it up and continue to try to lift sanctions in the early days of his administration because he was compromised in some significant way. at the same time, mueller has dealt with this investigation through the lens of a prosecutor and he has dealt with it as a criminal probe more so than a counter intelligence probe and a lot of threads are on going i'm told. whether or not he actually explains that in the report, that barr, you know, reveals that some of the findings of today, i wouldn't necessarily hold my breath for that. >> okay. natasha, thank you for weighing
in. much appreciated. >> thanks. senator kirsten gillibrand will make a speech outside one of the president's new york properties. nbc senior editors is there for us and beth joins us right now. so looks like a pretty packed crowd there behind you. what are you at least hearing ahead of the senator's stand on the podium? >> we're doing it in front of trump's international hotel, one of trump's many properties around new york city. a lot of contenders have chosen not to talk much about president trump in the announcements. they want to talk about the future and want to be aspirational. gillibrand is taking a different approach, taking it to the president standing in front of his property and in the speech we seen excerpts of it will go after the president by name. let me read you what she plans to say. she will call the president a
coward. she says demonizes the vulnerable and puts his name in bold because he wants you to believe he's strong. he's not. our president is a coward. her catch word of the campaign is brave. she said she's making brave choices around issues of sexual assault and the military and getting rid of don't ask, don't tell in the pentagon and a track record of making brave choices and taking contrast to president trump who she says is a coward. tough ward to use against the sitting president of the united states. by the way, alex, i don't think they knew when they scheduled this event it would be on the same day we expect to see information from the mueller report. she will mention the mueller report in this event toward the end of the speech, alex. >> beth, thanks for keeping an eye and appreciate the way you described the word of brave and versus coward. herapparent.
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executive privilege on some of this and the fact is, he has no right to claim executive privilege on any evidence of wrongdoing, executive privilege cannot shield evidence of wrongdoing. >> new concerns from ju didicia chair nadler as questions emerge whether the president, his team or attorney general barr will work to bury criminality in mueller's row poeport. joining me now we have melissa murray with us and former federal prosecutor and legal analyst glen kurshner. lawyers at the white house say they don't expect to see the report before it reaches congress but if they try to claim executive privilege on the report, wouldn't it be clear they are working to protect a crime and wouldn't you think because white house officials were able to talk to the special counsel originally it would have already been privileged? i mean, can you talk about that? >> you know, i can, alex. it's been a curiosity to me that
there is this claim that bubbled up that all of this information was given over by the white house to the special counsel's office but then later we heard that they tried to sort of retain the right to assert executive privilege down the road, which would basically be pulling back all of that information from the special counsel and not allowing it to sort of be part of the special counsel's investigation and conclusions. that never made any sense to me and i'm not sure that we are getting a straight story on whether executive privilege was claimed or retained or if that was an after the fact excuse when people started to criticize the white house counsel's office for giving these materials. at the bottom, if there is information in there that would make it seem like the president
committed a crime and tries to retain or claim executive privilege or not, then the crime fraud exception will over rule the executive privilege and mueller will have that information available and congress ultimately will have it available, too. >> melissa, a top official revealed there will be no more i indictments from the special counsel's office. how significant is that to you? >> it makes clear the trump children will not be indicted by the special counsel's office and it means that a lot of the action in this investigation is going to shift into other venues and jurisdictions so there are active investigations going on in the southern district of new york, the eastern district of new york, the eastern district of virginia and d.c. district and more action coming from those. but this basically shuts down the action coming from the special counsel's office. >> okay. what about a key player in the infa moumous trump tower meetin
donald trump junior, what does it tell you about the meeting and why mueller may not be able to convict on that? >> that's a great question. i'm still scratching my head over that and i see the president's loyalest but ought not spike the football yet because bob mumueller's mandate was to get to the bottom of trump, russia collusion so what would we expect in we expect bob mueller to subpoena and present to the grand jury two of the most important players in the trump tower meeting. don junior and jared kushner. bob mueller didn't do that. it was a tactical decision not to do that from the outside looking in, knowing everything that's been publicly reported, i would infer that the reason he didn't do it was because both of those men were targets of an investigation because you can't give a grand jury target a
subpoena and compel him to testify because he has a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. i think lady justice is just getting warmed up and might not be returning more indictments i would bet you we would see more in the future. >> to your point earlier where there are other offices that may be pursuing things, which investigation now do you think should be the most critical in terms of legal concerns for the president or anyone in his family? >> the southern district of new york seems to be the place where all eyes will turn because that's the place where the trump organization and the trump families had the most dealings over the years and i agree completely with glen that maybe all of this is part of robert mueller's strategy to have george w bush. there is a lot going on. the fact jared kushner and donald trump junior was not subpoenaed before the grand jury
is relevant and looks to the southern district where a lot of action that would involve both men would have happened and a lot of the action will be there. >> all right. melissa, glen, thank you both so much. much appreciated. a new poll about the president and the mueller report might give democrats a bit more confidence about pursuing impeachme impeachment, then again, maybe not. we'll go over it. maybe not. we'll go over it naysayer said no one would subscribe to a car the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪ is that for me? mhm aaaah! nooooo... nooooo... nooooo... quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand.
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mueller report conclusions expected anytime now and a new poll giving a glimpse into america's views. a fox poll out this morning found 52% marx jorty, found president trump tried to interfere with the mueller probe and found 44% of americans believe the trump campaign coordinated with the russian government during the 2016 election. joining me now, worked for the obama administration, and nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc analyst. welcome. susan, white house and republican party pushing this no
collusion, no obstruction. this poll suggests more americans disagree than agree. is the white house losing on the political narrative or on the truth? >> well, i'm grog oing to say t political narrative. we know the president does not speak the truth often. on the political narrative, they are losing, because the president is clearly gone overboard. most people recognize it. they saw the angry tweets, they see how he calls everything a witch-hunt. his supporters want to believe him so he has some of that baked in, but what's really important here, alex, is that there's so much noise out there right now. we don't even know what the report says. when we hear elected officials both on the democrat and republican side talking about it, it all needs to be out there. it won't be and the public shouldn't be misled. sources and methods protected. classified information protected. so will grand jury testimony. there may be a declassified
report agreed to by the gang of eight, let's say, that it gets to the american public and they'll be able to see everything. there are also several other district attorneys offices looking into other cases as we know. so i think it would serve everyone well to stop making so much noise around this. keep your head down. do your investigations, do your work, run the country. whatever your job is, go do it. >> i want to make more noise about this, though. bill, if more americans believe there was obstruction and collusion than believe there was not, does that give democrats more confidence about pursuing impeachment? >> first, alex, i find stunning about the poll, it's a fox news poll. >> right. >> so the people watching fox, i mean they have heard the last two years, no collusion, no collusion. no collusion. no obstruction, no obstruction and even in that poll most americans don't believe what's been coming out of the white house. look, as your question on impeachment, i don't think this
is going to result in any rush towards impeachment. whatever the poll says, the -- there's less and less appetite i mong democrats in congress thanks to nancy pelosi to pursue the impeachment for a couple good reasons. number one, they know it would really divide the country, suck up all the oxygen and take any attention away from what the democrats want to get done on the legislative side and the other thing, i think there's more and more realization that if you really want to defeat trumpism and bury donald trump and trumpism once and more all, you don't do it through impeachment but through clobbering him in 2020 in the next election. that's what people are setting their sights on. to that extent i think the mueller report and all of these other investigations susan mentioned will provide a good foundation for that. >> elena, the poll asks voters about the likeliness something in the mueller report changes something about the tread in their minds. 41% saying, no chance.
what about bracing for access to that report? >> democrats bracing for the fight, i think they are still going to carry out their duty to ensure that the american public sees the full report. it doesn't require the public to change their minds by having the report. it means that it gives the congress an opportunity to conduct oversight, to then look at all of the underlying facts and see if there was corruption, see if there were unethical business practices, see if there are elements that rise to the level of administrative sanctions and then ultimately to see if impeachment is on the table. i will say this -- the 2020 democrats have been clear that they've been asking for transparency and asking to, or saying that they want to ensure that the full vort released, but they are also taking the case to the american voters and saying, in addition
to what this report, and in addition to the corruption in the government, we want to make sure that we have an agenda that serves your interests. everything from gun reform to universal health care to universal affordable child care. issues that are affecting the american people. >> all right. with that, guys, once again, it's gone way too quickly. thank you all three so much. good to see you. with mueller's investigation signed and sealed the focus is shifting to congress. i'll speak with a judiciary committee member about picking up where mueller left off. . so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both.
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simple. easy. awesome. i also believe it's very important -- apparent stirrings on capitol hill this hour expecting to see the vsummary mueller rep soon. we're there. and the president is out of sight and mostly keeping quiet. why so silent on an investigation he's repeatedly call add witch-hunt. plus -- >> we need to see all the evidence and shouldn't have to waste our time and the public's time and money re-creating the same information. lawmakers preparing for anything. what comes next if mueller's report leaves capitol hill with just more questions? good day, everyone. from right here, msnbc headquarters in new york welcome to "weekends with alex witt." new this hour, a potential battle drewing over executive
privilege as the attorney general is expected to rerees the finding from the mueller report any time now. impeachment ro menment processe congress and warning about releasing this. >> i don't do not believe it existing here as all because as we learned from the nixon tape case executive privilege cannot be used to hide wrongdoing. in that case the supreme court 9-0 ordered that all of the claims of executive privilege be overridden. the president may try to assert it, hide things behind it but i don't think it's right or be successful. i asked david cicilline whether the white house should be allowed to at least review the mueller report to determine if there are legitimate reasons to withhold any information. >> the idea you would let the subject or target of an investigation review the report and then make some determination what whar going to release or selectivity allow
released would turn our system on its head. >> and agreeing with democrats the entire mueller report should be released. jim jordan echoes a growing conservative narrative. >> if he's going to release the information then i want all of it released. the conversations breeuce ohr a christopher steele the man who wrote the dossier released. >> underlying evidence to see if it explains the president's behavior towards russia. >> we in the intelligence committee have a particular obligation to determine whether there is information and the president is compromised whether criminal or not. there is evidence of collusion. a difference between compelling evidence of collusion and whether the special counsel cons
clu concludes beyond a readabsonabl doubt. >> mueller made a serious mistake when he brought together the team of investigators and lawyers and selected so many partisan democrats. it undermined the credibilityim office. and what else we know this hour, william barr could release the report's principle conclusions at any time. it will be sent via e-mail to congressional leaders and the media. yesterday barr discussed with the deputy a.g., rod rosenstein what specific nofrinformation t devagud divulged. and all findings be unclassified to speak openly about it. as we all look forward to the release of the mueller report
summary we'll talk over with our correspondents what it might reveal and the potential fallout from it. beginning this hour with pete williams nbc justice correspondent. pete, another hour passed since we spoke. did the attorney general underestimate the time it would take to vet all of this and put out a summary of even bullet points? >> no. i don't think so. he said in his letter to congress on friday he would try to get this word to them this weekend. the weekend isn't over yet. it appears he will meet that commit he made for himself. he said he would give it his best effort to do it and from all indications it's going to come later this afternoon. at least the staffs of the relevant house and senate members who will likely receive it have been told to stand by, we're told, and get it this afternoon within a few hours. so it appears that he will keep his commitment. we just don't know what "it" is. we believe at the very least it will summarize what mueller said
in his report to barr, which he's required to do under the special counsel regulations which is an explanation of people he prosecuted and people he didn't prosecute. normally speaking, the justice department doesn't say we investigated this person and decided not bring charges. so how much of that detail they'll go into we just don't know. we just don't know what this "thing" is that will be sent to congress this afternoon. or relatively confident that when congress gets it we'll get it, too, but to answer your question, it looks like they will keep their commitment to do it this weekend. >> yeah m. patience is not my strongest virtue. so eager to get word on this. new questions today about whether or not the president should get an opportunity to exert executive privilege if he sees fit. is it expected, about the white house counsel's service, will
get a sneak peek meaning the president will get an early look? >> i just don't know. your question, is it possible? it's possible. we're in uncharted waters here. normally speaking we don't have these special counsel investigations. we don't have the justice department investigating the president. there is -- if the president, if the white house counsel, says to barr, look, if there's anything about the president's discussion, we want to see it to see if we can assert executive privilege, that may be a request that they'll make and we'll see whether barr would honor that. there could be a case to be made, if the president had a discussion with someone and that someone was interviewed by mueller and their testimony is part of the report, that the white house might want to assert executive privilege on that or at least try to. so is it possible? i guess it's possible. we just don't know how that's going to work. >> okay. pete williams, continuing to stand by on all this. thank you so much, pete. go now to nbc's kelly o'donnell
who's where the president is this weekend. what's the mood you're finding out around the president? any activity in anticipation of the report's highlights being delivered? >> reporter: there's a waiting mode he, too. the president, of course, has been spending the weekend at his florida estate and also spending time at one of his golf resorts in the area nap is whe. where he has been much of today. the game plan, typically travel back to washington, d.c. late in the afternoon. we don't see evidence that would change. we're also in the time of year where family sometimes spend spring break together and have seen the president's son don jr. is here with some of his children, and he has posted photos of grandchildren with their grandfather. that kind of thing, which is very typical trump family weekend activity. we have not had any sense of an impending change in the schedule or comments. we have talked a lot over the
last couple of days about how the president has shown unusual restraint, not commenting on the mueller investigation as this period of waiting for publication of some results takes place. at the same time, we can tell you that they are waiting on the department of justice for any next steps. so, too, for the outside legal team for the president. what is different this weekend is the footprint of staff that has joined the president here. traveling with him, spending the weekend. two top lawyers from inside the white house. the white house counsel, and the white house special counsel. who is in a unique role, has been the interface between investigations, whether they be congressional or the special counsel and the white house team. a larger footprint of communication staff. so the president has everything he needs in terms of any briefing that may come or not come. so when this is all over with, we'll look back and these hours we're spending together will have gone by like that.
in the middle of it, feels very slow. it's a beautiful day for golf and we expect the president has perhaps done some of that. in terms of situational awareness the president at his golf resort, robert mueller went to church today across from the white house and the attorney general and top justice department officials are in the office. that gives you a snapshot what the day looks like. >> in your post and i'm here in the studio. kelly o., thank you so much. joining me now, democratic congressman ted lu of california, member of the judiciary and foreign affairs committees and good to see you two weekends in a row. good for me. before we get to the mueller report, sir, i want to get your reaction what republicans ted cruz and jim jordan said about your party's investigations into trump and how it ties into the report. take a listen to that. >> they don't think this mueller report's going to be the bombshell they anticipated it was going to be. now launching all kinds of other charges, other investigations. >> yesterday the mueller report was the end all and be all it
was going to be the salvation for the democrats and destroy president trump. now you can already see the democrats pivoting away. okay. we need to do other investigations. >> so what is your party expecting from this report? and were democrats using this to quote the congressman as a salvation to destroy trump? >> thank you, alex, for your question. let me first say that the pre american people should are proud this report exists. donald trump tried to block this investigation. the fact robert mueller got to complete it on his own terms show shows the value of our constitution. the president's charge was narrow. was there any of evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt somebody committed a federal crime in regards to russia. we are interested it knowing donald trump, his family or any associates committed any crime
and second engage in any ethical misconduct whether or not it rose to the level of crime. those investigations will continue. >> point well taken. democrats and republicans this morning could not at all agree on whether there was collusion or obstruction because of the news no further indictments by the special counsel. can it ever be business as usual between congress and the white house at this point? >> it's hard to speculate without knowing what the report actually says. this report could exonerate donald trump and say we would have indicted him but for the fact he's a sitting president. a large spectrum of possibilities and the white house cannot use executive privilege to shield wrongdoing. we have to see what the report said. and i also want to make sure that attorney general barr doesn't give a summary that's misleading and he's very aware of that. >> congressman, if the report circumstances look, the only reason we can't pursue anything is because we can't indict a sitting president, what does that lead to? because if that's the only reason and there is a sense that
there's been wrongdoing, what's next? >> if the report actually says donald trump committed a number of crimes and that they can't indict because he's a sitting president it will be up to congress to hold donald trump accountable, which means we have to see the entire report and all of its contents. we didn't do our job under the way the framework set up the constitution without this information. >> so if you can't indict a sitting president, is it really a surprise that mueller concluded his investigation without recommending criminal charges against the president? >> that's a great point. it is not visurprising to me. in addition we dough rknow robe mueller farmed out to our jurisdictions things they're pursuing. again, robert mueller's mission was quite narrow. the other offices are interested in knowing, did donald trump, his family or associates commit
any crime. >> senator cruz also discussed the democrats' impeachment strategy. take a listen. >> they're going to impeach the president for being donald trump. you ask congressman nadler whether the house is going to impeach the president, and i'll answer that for you. yes. they don't care about the basis. >> i mentioned you were on with me last weekend during which time we discussed all that happens with impeachment and your colleagues alleged the president committed impeachable things. >> speaker pelosi's statements contradict what senator cruz just said. we don't have a record yet. we have interesting reporting, interesting news articles. statements people have made. what we need are to gather documents and interview witnesses under oath, produce a record and then we'll have a conversation with the american people on how to proceed after our investigation is concluded.
>> if the doj does not fully release mueller's findings will you consider this a government cover-up or are you willing to trust barp assessment. it's widely reported barr and mueller main tanned mutual respect for years? >> the american congress and american people need to see the entire report. there is a rule that says if you don't indict someone you can't say anything about them. well, based on that, then we essentially get a one-line summary. one of those two rules needs to be broken and we'll see what the attorney general does with the position he's in. >> will you pick up where the special counsel left off? >> we will be informed by the special counsel's investigation but again other mission is broader. we want to know did anyone in
the executive branch committee any federal crimes and second, did they engage in any ethical misconduct. those investigations will keep on going. >> okay. congressman ted lieu, thank you for joining me. as always. >> thank you. new clues prab the mueller report summary will actually be re released today as expected. we'll get to them after a break. downy unstopables
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we are very much keeping an eye on this event. there you see actress connie britton who will lead into senator kirsten gillibrand of new york as she makes her campaign official, the announcement she is indeed running for the president of united states. she's in new york city outside of the trump international tower. that is where it's all going down. we're keeping a very close eye on that for you in our control booth. connie britton, i seem to remember she and kirsten gillibrand were college roommates n roommates. that may be why she's there today. and the mueller report findings expected any minute now. >> what the speak sir saying i completely agree, do not think you can bury this report. bury the evidence in sdrecret a that's not going to cut it. >> joining me, freelance
journalist, and white house correspondent with rueter's and nbc news national political reporter returns. mike, you're in the money position, kind of. any stirring there, word on a timeline when they might get the first word on the report? >> alex, i can tell you today is feeling different than yesterday. we did get an early heads up on saturday that staff were not expecting anything from the justice department in terms of that summary that attorney general barr promised him. today staff are heading into their offices, preparing as if they will get notification from the attorney general of his top findings from the mueller report. we're there for and in the rice positirice -- right position to deal with that and expecting anything notice that goes to congress to also be given to members. press corps at the same time. pressing to let them know what those top lines will be. meantime, as lawmakers get ready to return to washington tomorrow after a longward recess, seeing them define the political and legal battlefield.
republicans feeling a sense of vicinity kags already saying the fact there were no additional indictments announced when mueller announced the end of his investigation friday is a suggestion this will vindicate the president. he will be cleared after this two-year mueller investigation. democrats are getting ready to dig in for a fight to come nkuc. full documentation behind the mueller report in addition to the report itself and heard chairman are jerry nadler say on miel this morning, if it turns out mueller decided the president is above the law, because guidelines at the justice did he want you cannot indict a sitting president that bolsters democrats on the hill to prepare to take action there. >> thanks for keeping ayoon on everything there. and the president so far refrained from commenting on the topic. quite unusual as we know. what is behind that and the mood surrounding him right now? >> what is behind that, probably a few things. number one, he has probably been
advised to hold back. now, he doesn't always take that advice. seems he did today. we're all talking about it, we don't know what's in the report and neither does he. according to sarah sanders, the white house wasn't brief and the next step was up to bill barr. as soon as those results come out unless something that been released, the president seems to be holding his fire on that. we'll see. no doubt he's also and the people around him are talking about or looking at exactly what mike just said. both the legal and the political consequences that will come once we know what is inside that report. >> guys, i have to ask you to stand by and let the producers in the booth, if we come back, going here now, everyone, live to new york city and that is where senator kirsten gillibrand
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unemployed workers with the training, skills and jobs that are available in their community, in the fields of their interests. with workers rights under attack, more than ever, we need to protect the right to collectively bargain and form unions. we need to fight right to work and support car check and let's do right by our workers and raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour nationwide. we have to transform the infrastructure of work by finally making national paid leave a reality. it is outrageous that we are the only industrialized country in the world without it. you should never have to risk your job and income to take care of a new baby, a sick family
member or your own medical needs. i refuse to accept the false choice between your paycheck and your family. i have led this fight in congress since 2013. when it was not part of our national conversation. you're welcome. and hear me when i say this -- paid leave, equal pay, and affordable day care are not just women's issues! these -- these are economic issues. ones that will determine whether or not our country succeeds. at the same time, we need to dismantle the institutional racism that pervades our society and holds back millions of families. it is in our health care,
education, economic and criminal justice systems. it's in the growing crisis of black women's maternal mortality. it's in the sentencing disparodies that keep black men in prison for years, which white collar criminals go home on bail. it's in the wealth gap between communities of color and white communities that only widens from generation to generation. these challenges call for solutions both targeted and broad. like higher standards for majority care. a national commitment to for employment. postal banking, ending cash bail. and legalizing marijuana.
we need to restore our moral leadership in the world. we must secure our borders effectively and fight terrorism relentlessly. but let's be very clear. racism and fear is not a national security strategy. building a wall, ripping apart families, banning muslims and turning our backs on refugees and asylum seekers isn't just wrong. it makes us less safe. we need to repair our relationships with our allies and the stop fawning over our adversaries. we need to leverage our diplomatic tools to make
americans more prosperous, and more secure, and always treat military force as a last resort. we must bring an end to these endless wars. america's commander in chief is not a dictator, and the decision to deploy our troops can never be made lightly or unilaterally without congress. and we need to protect the integrity our elections by holding accountable any threats to our democracy from abroad or right here at home. the stakes of this just got higher on friday. the mueller report must be made public.
all of it. nobody in this country, not even the president, is above the law or immune from accountability. it is not often that i agree with richard nixon, but he was right to say that the american people have a right to know whether their president is a crook. and, finally, we need to treat global climate change like the existential threat that it is. we need to pass the green new deal. let's make this our generation's moon shot.
addressing a global challenge of this urgency will take massive effort, and transformational vision which is exactly why we should do it. let's invest in our crumbling infrastructure, waicreate sustainable green jobs and correct clean air and clean water as a human universal right. and i'd like to go further than other whose support this plan. i also put a price on carbon. to put -- i would put a price on carbon to use market forces to steer companies away from fossil fuels towards clean and renewable energy. we can't afford not to do this. we don't have time to waste.
john f. kennedy said he wanted to put a man on the moon in the next ten year, not because it's easy, but because it's hard. i believe we should look at global climate change exactly the same way. we should aspire to net zero carbon emissions in the next ten years. not because it's easy, but because it's hard! and it is a challenge that we are willing to accept. one, shgwe are unwilling to poe and one that we will win. none of these big fights and equally big goals will be easy. nothing worth fighting for ever has been. but i have never backed down from a fight, and i'm not about to start now.
my faith tells me to care for the least the least among us. feed and clothe the poor, help the stranger, the sick and the incarcerated. i believe we are all called to be the light of the world, to defeat the darkness and to treat others the way we want to be treated. i'm running for president to fix what's been broken, to repair our moral fabric and to rebuild the common bonds between us as a americans. this fight is so much bigger than any one election. it's about making a choice and deciding who we are and who we are goichk going to be.
america is and always will be the home of the brave. no matter how difficult the course before us, no matter how dark the hour the lessons of our history is that justice, fairness and truth are possible but only if we are willing to put everything we have on the line to achieve it. so each one of us has a choice today. will we defend this democracy? will we speak for what we believe in? will we reject the hate and fear
and greed and corruption? will we fight with every fiber of our being because everything we care about is at stake? will we be brave? you already answered that question just by being here today and if you are with me, if you are ready to fight and take on this fight with me join my campaign, go to my web site and contribute to power this movement forward. i believe in my bones that we can do this. i know that years from now we will look back on this moment. we will look back on this moment in history and say we did
something about it. we stood up, locked arms and proved to america and the world that when people come together to drive out the darkness hope rises. fear looses and brave wins. >> and there she has made it official. gillibrand here and more notably right outside of the trump international hotel taking on the president directly by name.
let's run quickly to capitol hill. we have been keeping an eye on everything going on as we wait for the bullet points if you will. it is the investigation and any movement there. we have been asking you to keep watch of movement. what are you seeing? >> the justice department require that the attorney general notified four members of congress. the chairman and the ranking member at the end of the mueller report and to transmit a summary of his findings. i can tell you 24 hours at this point staff and law makers were not expecting anything at this point yesterday. those are very much on watch today. they have every expectation that they are going to receive that
summary today. >> okay. all right. thank you very much for that. we are certainly keeping a close eye on everything we have. i'm joined by jamie who is a member of the judiciaew di judi committees. tell me what you are hearing. do you have any sense of a time line? are you convinced it is coming in today? >> well, there will be at least an outline we think coming in today. we are of course entitled to the complete report. we are waiting for that in all of the underlying evidence. it is the critical thing. we want to be able to study the total report in everything that went into making it. obviously the special counsel's job is different from the job of congress. they are looking for crimes and certain crimes and not even
crimes committed by the president. they don't think he is prosecutable. we are looking for crimes committed and patterns of corruption. we have a much broader mandate than the special counsel. >> the fact that robert mueller did not issue anymore subpoenas or indictments, anything from that report, is that a surprise given that the doj suggests that a sitting president you cannot indict one. where is the surprise? >> well, certainly nobody that has been following this closely is surprised that the president isn't being indicted. they were looking for other family members but of course there's still ongoing u.s. attorney investigations taking place in the eastern district of virginia and in the eastern district of columbia. from our per specific ifr we are
not just looking for statutory criminal offenses. take the parent determination to pursue his big moscow business deal during the course of the campaign. that's what michael cohen lied about and he is going to prison for having lied about. there's nothing criminal about a presidential negotiating a business deal. he did lie about it to the people. it is incredibly compromising for the president of the united states with respect to the russian government which is trying to destabilize and influence our election outcome. that's something our intelligence committee wants to know about. we want to investigate the clause violations and the continuing collection of money from foreign princes and governments by the president. that's not something that the mueller investigation ever touched because that's not a federal criminal offense. it's something constitutionally. right to the heart of our
democracy and the rule of law. >> so there was a lot of talk about whether there was collusion or obstruction. this is following the news there would be no new indictments. the chair keeps insisting on there being collusion. without more indictments in the mueller report is it clear that there was collusion? >> to my mind the whole collusion thing is kind of an irrelevant distraction. there's no crime of collusion or colluding together. so really what we want to look at is criminal conspiracies. for examples was the president involved in the conspiracy with michael cohen to pay hush money to the various mistresses in order to prevent them from speaking? conspiracy actually is a crime. the campaign finance laws are bindsi binding on the president. i don't think it's logically clarifying to talk about
collusion. we know there were dozens and dozens of contacts between various trump officials and officials of the russian government and of putin. that goes without saying. you know, whether it was a crime or not isn't really cap cltured that. i think what we need to be looking at is the fact that we have a president that turned the government of the united states into an instrument of money making and self-enrichment of his family, business, close friends a.m. and campaign donors. that's what has contaminated everything from the beginning. it spread out to all of the other federal agencies where now you have the for-profit colleges running the department of education. you have the timber and gas and oil and so on. there has been this selloff of the federal government of the
constitutional design. thank you so much. my colleague peter alexander is ready to continue our coverage. hey there. >> a good full weekend for all of us. peter alexander, we have a big afternoon ahead. we will tell you more about the mueller report as soon as we see the principal conclusions. gillibrand just finished her first campaign rally. doing so with a sort of in your face new york flavor right outside one of the president's own properties. also anxiously waiting all eyes are on attorney general william bar, what he decides to do after reviewing, will it come out today? plus after nea