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that will do it for me. pop quiz hot shot, a koala bear is not a bear, it is a -- >> marsupial. isn't it? >> yeah. >> i rarely get these pop quizzes right. thank you, friend. i thought you were going to ask me what was going on in chicago with the jussie smollett thing. which i haven't. >> they have not given anyone an explanation quite yet. >> we are looking to figure that out. okay, friend. you are on 5:00 all week. >> 11:00 on friday. it will be a big week. we are tempting fate here. >> i was going to say. you might get a call at 9:00 p.m. on friday. >> i would be proud to be replacing you because you are having a baby, friend. >> the battle over health care is backment health care returns to the political debate.
as washington takes action to tackle the issue, it is clear the president and democrats have completely different approaches to reaching the solution. it is a much more drastic step. the department of justice is calling for the complete removal of the health care law, the affordable care act, better known as obamacare. cataclysmic for tens of millions of people. despite the filing and the gop's attempts to repeal the affordable care act, the president repeated this highly questionable tease in front of reporters. >> let me tell you exactly what my message is. the republican party will soon be known as the party of health care. >> the republican party will soon be known as the party of health care. on the other end of cap fol hill. led by nancy pelosi, they unveiled a sweeping health care
package they say will expand health care access
and lower costs. >> the department of justice becomes the department of injustice when it wants to tear down health care benefits. this house, the democratic majority, we are here to strengthen those protections and lower health care costs further. because this house, this democratic house is for the people. it lowers health care insurance premiums, stops junk plans, strengthens protections for preexisting conditions and reverses the gop health care sabotage. >> let's start off with nbc's geoff bennett there, feuding proposals on capitol hill. amazing to say the republicans will be the party of health care. for a lot of americans, health care was the most important issue in the mid-term election.
what are democrats proposing? >> house democrats are rolling out a plan that strengthens the affordable care act in two ways. they will expand the subsidies available under the law and two, they are trying to reverse the damage done to the law by congressional republicans and the trump administration. nancy pelosi referred to that as sabotage. they are trying to get as much buy in from the caucus as possible. that means avoiding internal party fights over things like medicare for all. medicare for all will not be a part of this legislation. in getting ready to talk to you, i spoke to expert who is say it actually does expand coverage for more americans in two ways. it increases the subsidies for lower income american who is qualify for aid, but extends the eligibility for people with higher incomes who are propertily locked out. this is the democratic answer to
the effort by the trump administration to gut the entire affordable care act rather than pieces of it. that effort is facing head winds each among republicans. i talked to a handful and some were not fully aware of what was happening. the ones who were aware of what was happening were reluctant to revisit so soon after democrats campaigned on it and flipped the house after the mid-term elections. here's what senator mike braun of indiana told hallie jackson earlier today about this. >> do you support the trump administration's position here? >> so i was clear during the campaign. it was a big issue. the number one issue in indiana. you have got to cover preexisting conditions and no cap on coverage. i thought it was dangerous territory when we were trying to relitigate that. i believe that's a shape that has sail and we ought to be focusing on how to lower costs
while maintaining those two pillars. >> and there are also those lawmakers who say the effort runs counter to the trump administration's goals. the president and his state of the union address said he wanted to end the aids epidemic. we know the affordable care act is a major source of coverage for people suffering from hiv. you see the list. he wants to lower prescription drug prices. we know the health officials are planning to use medicare's innovation center to carry out pilot programs to lower drug prices and the administration wants to fight the opioid crisis while the coverage expansion made addiction treatment much more widely available. the republican party is going to be the party of health care. if he's not careful, he could become known for leading the party that gutted health care and left tens of millions of americans without coverage. >> in the old days, that would have been the read my lips, no
new taxes moment. it's not the old days. it's 2019. nothing matters anymore. geoff bennett for us with a thorough explanation about what is going on in health care. i need to put the politics aside. this is something i spent a lot of time on and i want to determine what the problem is we are trying to solve for health care coverage. i want to bring in elizabeth rosenthal in person. how health care became big business and how you can take it back. great to see you. thank you for helping us in our coverage. >> thanks for coming. >> senator said to hallie jackson that he wants to maintain preexisting condition coverage and no cap on coverage and lower rates. that is something that 50 plus countries and every other eocd or developed country in the world whether they have liberal or conservative governments have ways to do that. whether it's medicare for all or
single payer, ours is the way we don't do it. this doesn't do that that. >> we have no effective way to control prices and cost in our system. if you want to pay less, you have to control them. >> that sounds like a lot of people that say let the market control those things. you have people with different needs covered and you can sometimes balance these things out. >> yeah, in a functioning market, but what we have is a highly disfunctioning market. your doctor tells you what you need. we have given the market a try and things are getting worse and worse. that's why i think we are seeing health care finally front and center in politics. >> we still have and i think there are lots of valid criticisms of the affordable care act and things it didn't tackle. we could be depending on how the
court case goes with the fifth circuit in louisiana and i assume that will go to the supreme court, we could be where we were before. it's worth reminding people. if you were not employed by a company like this were high. if you were a free lancer or had a preexisting condition, there was little likelihood of getting anything affordable. >> i like to remind people that preexisting condition included things like i was once depressed or use an asthma inhaler. we all have preexisting conditions which i think is true. almost everyone could have been excluded. that was the major win for me if obamacare was covering people with preexisting conditions. the medicaid expansion. >> that gave a bigger deal. to individuals with preexisting conditions, they were stuck and especially at a time when we see drug prices and report prices skyrocketing. insurance will help you out in those situations and it's
crucial bedrock what every health system should be. >> when people try to budget, premiums are the things they worry the most about. there is discussions about premiums going up and down and we will do something to make your premium go down. where premiums are in relation to what coverage you are getting. one of the things was a series of something called essential health benefits that every policy had to cover. you couldn't sell a policy that couldn't cover you. >> yeah, essentially things like having a baby or medicine costs. there was a standardization of policies and that's really, really important. now people without the aca, people can be sold junk insurance where they would think oh, i have experience. low premium and then realize oh, my gosh, it doesn't cover me when i get pregnant. the other thing we see that is important to note that you touched on, people look at policies and say the premiums
are down. now we are seeing rising copays and deductibles and rising hospital and pharmaceutical costs. there are a million ways to get stuck. it's not just the premium. >> we're have to look at the holistically. they are embracing something called medicare for all. it means different things for different people. nancy pelosi is going in a different direction, a middle road between not having it and having it. have you had a chance to evaluate what nancy pelosi and the democrats are putting forward? >> i haven't in great detail because it's spooling out in realtime, but they are trying to preserve the benefits of the aca, the preexisting condition coverage. very importantly what they are suggesting is raising the level of income for people who get subsidies. right now under the aca, one of the big loophole loopholes, the people who were stuck. they were turning away from
insurance not because they didn't want it and the costs were not affordable. you have $800 a month for a premium and a $600 a month deductible a month. that's not insurance. >> it's hard to -- we hear a lot from people whose costs are so high they make the choice not to be insured. that is never a good result. the editor in chief and author of an american sickness, how health care became big business and how you can take it back. a worthwhile read. the maker of oxycontin agreed to a settlement with oklahoma's attorney general. they were facing a trial for deceptively marketing oxycontin. they pledged $197.5 million for the creation of a national center for opioid addiction and research based in oklahoma.
they mark the first significant settlement for purdue pharma facing more than 1600 lawsuits, blaming it for promoting oxycontin for under playing addictive properties. they have been consolidate and will go before a federal court and the company has been exploring bankruptcy by denying the claims against it. bump stock devices which allow shooters to fire more bullets are illegal to own, buy, or sell effective midnight today. the october 2017 mass shooting in las vegas that left 58 dead prompted president trump to take action on the devices. in february of 20 season 18, he instructed the attorney general to regulate their use and they issued a ban, giving 90 days to turn bump stock devices over to federal agents or destroy them. it makes possession a felony for up to 10 years in prison and a
$250,000 fine. yesterday gun rights group who is say the ban affects a half million gun owners filed two last minute requests to temporary stop the ban. today chief justice john roberts rejected one of the requests. the second request is still pending in front of justice sonia sotomayor. all charges against jussie smollett are dropped weeks after he was indicted on 16 felony counts for allegedly filing false police reports. later the acting defense secretary approves a shift of a billion dollars for president trump's border wall. we will tell you where that money is coming from and we will get janet napolitano to talk about climate change and cyber security. you are watching msnbc. u are wac
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chicago's mayor and police superintendent are insisting that jussie smollett is guilty despite all charges against him being dropped by the city's prosecutors. he had been indicted on 16 felony counts for filing a false police report after alleging he was attacked by two people on january 29th. >> he did this all in the name of self promotion. this is without a doubt a white wash of justice and sends a clear message that if you are in a position of influence and
power, you will get treated one way. other people will be treated another way. there is no accountability in the system. it is wrong, full stop. mr. smollett is saying he is innocent and still running down the chicago police department. how dare him. how dare him. >> he has been let off scott free with no sense of accountable with the moral and ethical wrong of his actions. is there no decency in this man? >> do i think justice was served? no. do i think justice is? i think this city is still owed an apology. >> obviously the city is not going to pursue charges against him. the player and the police chief can't say he is guilty. we had not heard from smollett.
that all changed when he walked out of the courtroom this morning. >> i want to thank my family and friends and the incredible people of chicago. all over the country and the world who have prayed for me and supported me and shown me so much love. no one will ever know how much that meant to me and i will forever be grateful. i want you to know that not for a moment it was in vain. i have been truthful on every level since day one and i would not be my mother's son if i was capable of one drop of what i had been accused of. this is an incredibly difficult time and one of the worst of my life. i am a man of faith and i am a man who has knowledge of my history and i would not bring my family or our lives through a fire like this. i just wouldn't. i want to thank my legal couple from the bottom of my heart and i would also like to thank the state of illinois for attempting to do what's right.
now i would like nothing more than to just get back to work and move on with my life, but make no mistake, i will continue to fight for the justice and equality of marginalized people everywhere. thank you for they have all better than trying to figure out what it going on here. do we know why chicago prosecutors dropped all charges against jussie smollett? >> we don't and this is a stunning day and that was a bombshell made by the prosecutor's office in the county of cook county. the prosecutors office believe the charges should have been drop and we don't know why. was it a witness fell through or the case was falling apart or
the police chief or the mayor alleged there was a back room deal done. they have not held a press conference and they don't appear to be doing that. what may be more troubling according to the mayor is that the criminal case has been sealed. that may never come out publicly unless it is leaked. just three weeks ago, a grand jury in cook county indicted jussie smollett on 16 counts of lying to police in two separate interviews. each one of the counts carried up to three years in prison. he was facing up to 48 years in prison. today the police chief and the mayor said their case was incredibly strong and the grand jury only saw a sliver of evidence and they were quite confidence they would get a conviction. the prosecutor's office made that stunning decision that all criminal charges would not go forward and jussie smollett has been cleared of any criminal wrong-doing. that leads many people wondering
what happened to the rock solid case. was it rock solid? we don't know the answers yet. miguel talked about maybe a back room deal. we have no idea what that's about and we watched the police superintendent and the player come out and it was 100% clear whatever deal was made, they were not on side with it. they did not support it. they said everything without being called a man who is not being changed guilty. what do you think is going on? >> here's the big question. and what are prosecutors going to do about the alleged assailants. now that jussie smollett is cleared about making up a story, we can infer there are two gentlemen who assaulted him. will they investigate that? that will tell us a lot if they
take one of two positions. either he was telling the truth or they maintain that jussie smollett was not telling the truth the whole time, but for whatever reason the prosecution decided to give him what anyone would call a break. this motion to completely drop the case in its entirety is a total victory for the smollett team. >> they're have options that don't involve what you call not prosecuting this thing at all. if they had a weakish case or wanted to cut him a break, there are things they could have done that are not this. >> the easiest is a lesser included offense. you are charged with this many felonies or a misdemeanor or something like that. they could have offered a deferred prosecution. they could have offered a probation deal. every state allows prosecutors to work out a deal with the
defense team. so instead, they give him the best thing he could have possibly hoped for. >> nothing goes on. miguel? >> i want to make an interesting point. the two brothers, police said they were hired to carry out the attack and police then said they turned on smollett and began to work with them and they would face no criminal charges and not be prosecuted. the two men who cold police they were hired to carry out the attack. they said they would not prosecute them. we know who attacked the actor.
it appears no one will be held accountable for what happened here. >> coming up, the supreme court is hearing cases that have the potential of having major ramifications in the upcoming elections. steve kornacki is here to break it down after the break. you are watching msnb krshlgs. (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation? (danny) of course you don't because you didn't! your job isn't understanding tax code... it's understanding why that... will get him a body like that... move! ...that. your job isn't doing hard work... here. ...it's making her do hard work... ...and getting paid for it. (vo) snap and sort your expenses to save over $4,600 at tax time. (danny) jody... ...it's time to get yours! (vo) quickbooks. backing you.
. the u.s. supreme court is weighing in on whether federal courts should get involved in fights over how state legislatures draw maps of voting districts. the high court heard the congressional district maps that give republicans the doubt and benefit in maryland. they appear to be skeptical about the need for federal courts to weigh in on a federal process, but several liberal justices were open to strike down extreme examples of gerrymandering. a new round of restricting will shape the make up of congress and state legislatures for the next decade. they heard arguments last year and punted on making a decision. they are expected to rule by the end of june. joining me now with a look at maryland and north carolina and
how redistricting could affect future elections. here is steve kornacki. great to see you as always. how does it affect people? >> let's dive in. every 10 years, they difyou up the map and this state gets this many and each state has that question of is there gerrymandering. let's start with maryland where republicans say gerrymandering hurt us and the democrats who after the 2010 census, the last time they did this, the democrademocrat s controlled power in maryland. this is the map that emerged from that. you see there are eight districts in maryland. seven are now democratic and only one a republican district. i big change that democrats did after 2010, see the blue districts? they used to go a lot further east. they cut out the republican portions in what had been the 6th. they added in suburbs outside
d.c. this was a republican district for a while. it flipped to a blue district and it has been blue for the rest of this decade. republicans say hey, that is gerrymandering. we should have more than one seat in a state like maryland. in north carolina, it's not quite a 50-50 state. this was the presidential election in 2016, but close to a 50-50 state. if you take a look at the congressional map, there is a lot more red than blue. there are 13 districts and one is blank here. this had been a recently district and they have a special election going on. for the last few years, it has been a 10-3 divide. in both carolina and maryland after the map recrewing processes played out and in fact during it, you had the folks drawing the maps saying that this was there consideration. gerrymandering and giving their party an advantage and getting more seats for their party.
the question becomes from a standpoint, unconstitutional and if you do, what is the standard? >> this is my question. putting the legality of it aside, if you wanted to fix this and a lot of reasonable people can say things like this needs to be fixed, how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube? do we use natural boundaries or population centers? >> that's where it gets complicated. you take a look and maryland may be just visually a better example. look at the lines. they are all over the place. it looks like a maze. the old standard for them, you know it when you see it. it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it. if you are a court and you want to weigh in, you can't just say i see it, you have to define it. what statistically and numerically and quantitatively would constitute gerrymandering.
is that the magic number or is it 8% or 12%. how do you come up with something that exact? that's where they start to break down. >> thank you as always. steve kornacki, the national political correspondent and must see tv all the time. breaking news from the middle east with the israeli military and gaza exchanging heavy fire overnight, we are live in tel aviv. n tel aviv i've always been amazed by what's next. and still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. what's next? reeling in a nice one. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding.
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>> pathe israeli military said rocket was fired after hamas agreed to a ceasefire following the biggest escalation of tensions in months. this comes about 24 hours after war planes pounded hamas sites in gaza. benjamin netanyahu said they were on a scale not seen since the last conflict between israel and hamas in 2014. ly cut short his visit to return home. this comes after a series of rockets were fired from gaza including that slammed into a house in central israel that wounded several people n. a sign that israel can take more action, the military said they are increasing the presence in the area around gaza and calling up reserve forces. ron allen joins us from tel aviv and comes two weeks before an election. tell me about how it plays into the election. >> it's a tough election for benjamin netanyahu.
probably the toughest reelection bid he had in as many years in office. he is facing allegations of bribery and corruption and a strong challenger that they got from a retired military leader. given the situation, there is every expectation that benjamin netanyahu continues a robust response and the defense minster. the national security is of course a huge issue here all the time because of the situation that the israelis find themselves in. we expect there will be more of a response on the palestinian side and gaza. there have been calls for protests and not to back down. there is every expectation that this could continue for sometime. even though i must say that the past 18 hours or so, things have been relatively calm after that big escalation on monday. the big concern about the escalation on monday, one of the many concerns is that some of those missiles were fired and traveled the distance of 75
miles or so from the southern part of gaza all the way here to tel aviv. and those missiles slammed into a home that caused a lot of damage and a number of israelis and a family was injured, not seriously so. this is a big concern that this is an escalation of what's happening. politics factors into all of this. the campaign factors into all of this. benjamin netanyahu is running for his political life. you have to bet given this moment he is going to show strength and toughness. the question is that you don't want to escalate things too much because the situations are very unpredictable and the last thing that anybody here wants is a major escalation of the situation here. rockets flying and landing and hitting targets, god forbid. so many have been fired. as many as 60 or 70 have landed
in barren areas. the calculus for the and his supporters is that they want to show toughness and strength, but they want the situation resolved in a manner that allows him to be reelected. how that's going to turn out is anyone's guess. of course this is also involved. >> thanks for your reporting. ron allen in tel aviv. president trump is getting a billion dollars for his border wall and it's not coming from mexico. i will talk with former online secretary general, janet napolitano. other issues on the minds of americans including cyber security and climate change. g c security and climate change. ♪ limu emu & doug
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attempting to circumvent congress and the american people's opposition to using taxpayer money for construction of an unnecessary wall and the military is paying the cost. border crossings by undocumented migrants hit a 13-year high hitting daily averages not seen since 2006. beyond capacity, they are working with the department of defense to shift the overflow to u.s. military bases. in her new book, how safe are we? homeland security since 9/11. the trump administration's family separation debacle in the summer of 2018 was entirely self-created and an illogical policy made worse by incompetent management. this is government malpractice and we should not tolerate it, regardless of our political differences. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> the last sentencing is interesting.
regardless of political differences. this seems to be coming down along political lines. supporting donald trump's idea of a wall is something republicans back and democrats object to. >> right. i think that we all should agree that we need a secure border. there is no disagreement there. the question is how do you do it? in my judgment a wall is a symbol, not a strategy. >> you have written in a huge and open nation, there will nop be enough money, gates, guns or guards to run down the threat. they threaten to waste money and capital and antagonize mexico. what's the sensible solution? >> it's a combination. more manpower between our ports of entry. it's technology, sensors and ground sensors and tunnel detection. it's air cover cross the border and strengthening our actual ports of entry, adding to the technology so that the vehicles can essentially all be x-rayed
to find suspicious compartments. >> that's where most of the contraband comes in. every time we find the big drug busts, they come through legal ports of entry. >> by and large, they come through the ports. diverting our national attention to building a wall, angering our ally, mexico, while we are doing it makes no homeland security sense. >> let's talk about the muslim ban. it led to a general erosion of trust between the united states and partner nations, in particular those on the list. optically it is more difficult for those nations to share threat information with the united states. this means we welcome a go it alone nation in protecting our security rather than a force with partners. we are 18 years old from 9/11. when you go back to those days, our own internal cooperation and sharing with other nations is something that we must never
compromise. >> that's right. terrorism is a global phenomenon. terrorist groups are global. to intercept them and prevent other attacks requires a great deal of international cooperation. it requires constant use of intelligence, risk analysis, technology, all the tools we have at our disposal. that is better and improved if we are working along with our allies in doing so. >> one of the things in a book about homeland security since 9/ 9/11, given what you did as the secretary of homeland security, you have gone into areas that we don't associate with homeland security, but are important. instead of adopting policies on energy and urban planning and flood control and insurance that mitigates the threat from climate change over the long-term, we pour hundreds of billions into reeblthing to and recovering from climate-driven disasters. the head of the epa said this is
50 to 75 years away and we don't have to worry about this. >> my heavens. i live in california. we just went through this horrendous wildfire season. it is right now. it is right now for those in texas and florida who are seeing sea levels rise and more landfall hurricanes. it's those in parts of the country that are suffering from drought, chls also a climate-related experience. this is now. by the way, if we wait for 50 or 75 years from now to do anything, shame on us. shame on us. >> there is also, i would have thought after the mueller report the administration might take the opportunity to put their attention into cyber threat. that is one thing we can agree upon in this report. you have written the russians, chinese and others understand the importance to our democracy and way of life. the cascade of cyber attacks
leaves middle of the imagination and officials are showing the same lack of attention to these issues as they did in the weeks and months before 9/11. we have heard this from our nation's intelligence officials over and over and over again. >> -- to me, this does resemble what happened before the actual attacks on 9/11, where there were all kinds of red flags. >> there were noise, red flags all over the place. >> all kinds. and what the 9/11 commission found was that there was a failure of imagination. failure of imagination to think that commercial aircraft would be weaponized, flown into iconic buildings like the world trade center or the pentagon. we have all kinds of noise now. advanced persistent threats of every dimension and quality. from state actors, nonstate actors, emanating from all over the place. and yet, as a country, we'red t. haven't worked out the jurisdictions of the various federal agencies that touch on
cyber. we certainly don't have any kind of an effective partnership with the private sector that controls so much of our critical infrastructure. so much work needs to be done here. >> important stuff in the work. thank queue fyou for writing it. janet napolitano. author of "how safe are"? this just into us, illinois' first state assistant attorney in charge of the jussie smollett case spoke with the "chicago tribune" said, "the bottom line is we stand behind the investigation, we stand behind the decision to charge him. the fact that smollett feels we have exonerated him, i have not. i can't make it clearer than that." charges against smollett were dropped after he was indicted on 16 felony counts for allegedly filing a false police report. he maintained his innocence today. up next, it's called the apple ecosystem. the company unveiled a new tv and streaming service and credit
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okay. we' we've got some breaking news. it's going to take weeks, not months, for attorney general william barr to make a version of special counsel robert mueller's report publicly available. this according to a justice department official. there are no plans to give a copy of the report to the white house in advance of the public
release, according to that official. but apparently, in weeks, there will be some version, of course, that becomes up for debate as to what that version contains. we'll stay on top of that as we learn more. apple is sending message it's more than just a seller of iphones, ipads and other devices. in a big announcement on tuesday the company unveiled no hardware but provided a showcase for how it's trying to become yet a bigger part of our lives. the company unveiled a game subscription service for mobile devices, computers in the living room called apple l arcade. it announced an expanded news service called apple news plus that includes access to hundred of magazines and newspapers and the company is partnering with goldman sachs to introduce the apple card, a credit card which will have no fees and lower interest rates. it also unveiled a service called apple tv plus which will feature original shows, movies and documentaries. all of this in addition to apple music and sother services. joining us for a closer look is nbc news technology correspondent, jacob orr.
you were there when it happened. take us to 50,000 feet. what was the announcement? normally when apple does big things like this there's hardware and technology. >> something shiny and solid you want to hold in your hand. this was tim cook coming out on stage and basically saying services, services, services, showing over and over again we are the most used map functionty on an iphone, we use -- we have icloud. people use all of our mail services. all that kind of stuff. they're trying to show they can do more than hardware, but as you know, of course, hardware is the center of the business, that's where they make all their money. >> right. >> that's, i believe, why they are giving away all these incredible -- >> right, it's the razor blade and razor model. apple stuff they can get you to use in some cases for free. >> yes. >> the more likely you are to continue to pay more and more money for cooler phones. >> their razor blade involves
o oprah, right? $2 billion in original content. for them, that's the equivalent of putting out -- i think of it as marketing, putting out a graph of coffee at your local supermarket to get you to come every time. it's freebies to get you coming back. >> what's the thing to worry about? many of us exist in apple's ecosystem, google's ecosystem, to a lesser degree, facebook's ecosystem. all these ecosystems have ways, things you connect you don't know about. >> the thing to worry about, think about, in any event, is you need to be conscious that even they they ssay they're not tracking you, say thad over and over again in these announcements. we're not tracking you, we don't no e wh know what you're reading, what you're watching. machine learning is going to -- even though they may not know your address or name or listening to your conversations on headphones, they're going to be able tomaking.
>> you make this point a lot, people think their phones are listening to them because of so much stuff that shows up in terms of ads after you've been thinking about it. >> that's right. >> they can think about these things better than you can, they know so much about you on so many different levels. >> we follow patterns. they've gotten out in front of the pattern. you can have an algorithm on the phone that never has to consult a human being. >> that's great when it can tell me about clothes i like or glasses i want to buy or food i want to eat. can also be dangerous as we've seen in politics. >> yes, it can be dangerous as we've seen in politics, you know, also, i think, in broader sense could be dangerous in that i don't know that i'm getting better at making choices about the things that i like to watch on tv. i don't know that i'm getting more creative in my life when creative things are being fed to me by an algorithm all the time. there's a deskilling of human beings i worry about. >> because we're transferring it all over. got to go. good to see you, as always.
jacob ward is our technology correspondent. that brings the hour to a close for me. see you back here at 1:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow and again at 3b 3:00 p.m. eastern. you can find me on all sorts of social media. thanks for wuatching. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts now. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. we're learning details on the mueller report. a justice department official telling nbc news it will take, quote, week, not months, for barr to make a version of mueller's original report public. that official stressing there are no plans to give a copy of the report to the white house ahead of that public release. this critical update coming as we learn in brand-new reporting from the "washington post" new details about robert mueller's refusal to render any judgment on whether donald trump obstructed justice with his repeated attempts to thwart the sp