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biography of former first lady barbara bush, details her fierce dislike of the president with quite a few bombshells. and the contenders joe biden apologizing again for his handling of the anita hill sexual harassment allegations. will he be able to put that chapter behind him? we start with trump's new healthcare fight in the wake of the doj throwing its weight behind a major obamacare lawsuits, democrats are thrilled. the top republican in the house, kevin mckarktycarthy declined t his position, telling reporters to talk to his office. healthcare cost republicans their house majority. nevermind says president trump.
he feels rejuvenated because he feels total exoneration after the mueller investigation. president trump reportedly even overruled the objections of two top officials on this issue. his attorney general and his health and human services secretary. a few moments ago, chuck schumer had a simple message for the president, he doesn't want the justice department involved in obamacare, but he doesn't want this fight. >> the president wants to go back to repeal and replace again. make our day. >> here to shed some light, a healthcare consultant who worked on the affordable care act, david drucker and jeff mason. why now and why at all? >> i think the second question is good. why at all indeed because of the political sort of hit that the republicans took in 2018. but i think the answer to that
is largely related to the president. president trump is still bitter that he wasn't able to fulfill a campaign promise that was big -- one of his in 2016 to get rid of obamacare. he blames john mccain for that. that's come out again in the last week or so when he was criticizing the now deceased senator. he apparently spoke about it yesterday in his meeting with lawmakers on the hill. so he really wants to get this done, and apparently it's not seeing it as a political albatross the way it was on many of his republican colleagues in the midterm elections. >> jeff, is there someone in the president's ear right now saying, mr. president, you've got this one? because one name that keeps popping up is mick mulvaney, his acting chief of staff. >> yeah, i can't tell you if it's mick mulvaney saying that or if the president is coming out now with the sort of the momentum of the mueller report's conclusion. i do think it's something he cares about. and i do think it's something
that bugged him, period, from the last couple years, the first two years of his presidency. in terms of the political calculation going into his own reelection bid, apparently he said yesterday that republicans are going to become the party of healthcare. the democrats beg to differ. you saw that with senator schumer's comment. this is a fight they're delighted to have, and it's one that's helped them so far. >> the state of obamacare right now in this country, how would you describe it? >> i would it describe it as not as great as it could be if the previous congress worked together to improve the affordable care act. that's the main point. everybody cares about healthcare. it's important to every person. there's no one that can escape it. what we expect from our leaders is to make things right, not to make them wrong. this decision by the trump administration is reckless, it's irresponsible, and it's dangerous. more than a million people went to the polls last november to
make sure that everybody understood that healthcare is a priority and it should stay a priority. we've got to have that from our leadership. right now we don't have that. they're making things wrong. we need people to make things right. >> do republicans as you understand it, do they have backup plan if obamacare -- >> no. no. see, that's the -- they have no plan. they have no game plan, no focus, no structure whatsoever. the president thinks he can come up with something and that it's going to work. they don't have a plan so there's nothing to replace. so what they should be doing is working with everyone to try to find a way to fix the affordable care act. i talked to hospital ceos all the time. the horse is out of the barn on preexisting conditions. we're implementing other things of the affordable care act. we've got to find ways to improve access, quality and affordability for everyone. that's what most americans want and that's what everybody's working on. yet, the president's administration wants to take us backwards and it's a losing
strategy and they don't have a plan at all to make anything better. >> david drucker, this was the president 's key comment. >> the republican party will soon be known as the party of healthcare. >> he had a few good days going, david. he probably could have had a few more. why step on a message that actually appeared to unify republicans? >> yeah, because he gets bored and loves to move on and fan new controversies or new political challenges, let's say, craig. i think if the president in his reelection bid wants to focus on fixing what's wrong with healthcare reforming the healthcare system as it stands under the affordable care act, it's a smart move. a lot of voters have a lot of problems, whether it's healthcare costs, high deductibles, whether it's seeing the doctor they want to see when they want to see the doctor. if they're going to take another run at the concept of repealing
and replacing obamacare, they've lost the window in which that's a political winner. and as republican strategists told me, they concluded in their after action report that that attempt was a political loser for them in 2018 and it cost them seats, even though for a portion of the republican base it remains gospel. i think if republicans don't want to end up with another disaster on their hands politically, they need to formulate some sort of consensus on their next steps on healthcare, they need to formulate a legislative strategy to go along with the political strategy. they need a strategy. otherwise they're going to end up making promises they can't keep and this time that's not just going to help democrats running for congress, it's going to help the eventually democratic nominee who runs against president trump. >> david, you're on capitol hill right now. is there anyone there to your knowledge in the process of holding a hearing? >> no. no.
no. it's a much different situation for republicans because they no longer hold the house of representatives. senate republicans who are in the majority could spearhead this by holding hearings, but there's not much they can do on the house side. they would be dependent on working with democrats in the house. they won't have the same idea for healthcare as republicans are. certainly not as the president is, at least it doesn't appear so. there are a whole host of new challenges with this, and as usual, the president, you can't criticize his -- where he wants to be on policy, healthcare is a problem, let's fix the problem. but i think he's still operating under a political rubric that existed in 2010, 2014 and 2016 when arguing you wanted to repeal obamacare was going to win you votes, and it really hurt democrats. we have graduated to a new era that with all the problems with the current healthcare system, voters have decided they like
some of the benefits of obamacare and they're suspicious of a whole sale reform effort. >> when asked about the benefits, folks seem to like it, when you call it obamacare a significant swath want nothing to do with it. i want to show this stat here. this is 11.4 million people. this is according to the government, mind you. 11.4 million people could lose coverage if obamacare ended. what other immediate and long-term effects would we see? >> craig, this is so much bigger than 11.4 million people. there are 130 million americans who suffer from a preexisting condition that have insurance that could be taken away from them at any moment in time. so if you repeal the affordable care act, 130 million people who have preexisting conditions could be dropped by the insurance companies. we can talk more about the innovation that's happening in
healthcare to try to give better access, better quality and affordability that could go away. there are millions of things that could hurt americans next day if the aca was not here. and that's why we should find ways to fix those challenges with the high deductibles and the challenges that exist. find way to fix those, make the law right for everyone. there's no we can go backwards to say to 11 million people and another 130 million people you don't deserve to have health coverage to get treatment for conditions that you may have been born with or acquired through some other unfortunate means of life. and that's why this is a disaster. they have no plan, no structure, no focus. this is irresponsible and the american voters have already said such. guess what, they're going to say it again in november 2020 without a plan and without a strategy to make sure that the affordable care act stays in place so every person who needs it and wants it. >> i want to read what gallop
wrote after the midterms. it may have been the key act variety act variety of a significant swing vote. trump's reelection could dependent on how well he addresses the issue. and that's with a good economy. jeff, is that what this decision is about? busting up weak spots ahead of reelection? >> i was going to say, when you're running for president, whether it's for reelection or whether you're trying to oust an incumbent, you have to look for issues that really resonate with voters. the top ones are the economy, healthcare, there are a few others that get put into that mix. the president right now has a strong economy, which he has suggested he's going to run on in a major way. now, the economy may be weakened -- weakening more once we get closer to election day. that will change the dynamics of the race. healthcare, on the other hand, is something that everybody has to deal with in their lives. it's something that americans really care about. it's been a big issue as david was laying out earlier in nearly
every presidential election cycle in the last several years. and it will continue to be in this next cycle, especially if many americans who feel they have benefitted from obamacare, specifically from the preexisting condition aspect, also being able to keep young adults on their parents' plan see that as a risk of going away. >> jeff, thank you. david, thank you, antoine, thank you, sir. funding fallout. outrage growing over education secretary betsy devos and her proposal to slash federal funding for the special olympics. i'll talk to one senator with a very personal connection. also, blaming trump. bombshells from former first lady barbara bush and her real feelings about the current president. and the 2020 contenders, joe biden's biggest weakness. what could come back to hurt him in a potential bid for the white house? o hurt him in a potential bid for the white
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when you think about the list of things that are untouchable in politics, in a bipartisan way, the special olympics might come to mind. not for education secretary betsy devos. she just defended those drastic cuts to the budget, including cutting close to $8 million in federal spending for the special olympics. $18 million in funding for special olympics that provide a
competitive athletic environment for individuals with intellectual disabilities. >> do you know how many kids are going to be affected by that cut, madam secretary? >> let me just say again, we had to make difficult decisions with this budget. >> this is a question, how many kids, not about the budget. >> i don't know the number of kids -- >> it's 272,000 kids. i'll answer it for you, that's okay, no problem. >> let me just say that special olympics is an awesome organization, one that is well supported by the the philanthropic sector as well. >> let's bring in new hampshire democrat senator maggie hastin. thank you, i know that protections and opportunities for people with disabilities is an issue. it's very personal to you. what did you think when you heard the secretary's proposal there? >> well, i was astounded by it. special olympics is so critical for so many people who
experience disabilities and their families. for a lot of people with disabilities, this is their first opportunity to enjoy sports, to develop the life long habits of good health that comes with sports participation and also they develop social relationships. all of this is really critical to their success in life. and so to hear secretary devos kind of give this full throated defense to cutting critical funding for me was surprising. the entire budget proposal will devastate families across the country. this is one aspect that's particularly bad. >> some have suggests the special olympics with ll be fin because a large swath of its budget comes from private donors, what do you say to that?
>> though federal dollars are critic critical. those early dollars are critical leverage to the entire not for profit arm of the special olympics. let's take a step back and say what the cut to special olympics says about this administration 's values. we also saw in this budget a 10% cut overall to the department of education and flat funding for special education services. al i hear about that from school districts all across my state. we have yet to meet the level of special ed funding we were supposed to when we passed the i.d.e.a. law. that's one of the things this administration could do. instead, you see a secretary of education who is supporting significant cuts and is also supporting the diversion of taxpayer dollars to unaccountable private schools.
she doesn't understand the importance of public school, and particularly the importance of public schools to people with disabilities. >> there's been a fair amount of talk this morning about not knowing how many children would be affected by such a decision. this is the first time the secretary has struggled to answer a question about people with disabilities. you asked her about it directly in her confirmation hearing back in 2017. here's what she said. >> the other thing i just wanted to circle back to, i want to go back to the individual with disabilities and education act. that's a federal civil rights law. do you stand by your statement a few minutes ago that it should be up to the states whether to follow it? >> the law must be followed. federal law must be followed with federal dollars are in play. >> were you unaware of what i just asked you about the i.
i.d.e.a.? it guarantees students with disabilities to insure they're afforded a high quality education with their peers. >> that was two years ago. what's your assessment now of the secretary's knowledge about this particular part of her job responsibility? >> well, her answer yesterday certainly didn't give me any confidence that she's gained any knowledge in this regard. this goes back to the point that this budget in terms of what the department of education is funded at and what it funds and what it cuts reflects this administration's values. but there are other cuts that will significantly hurt families all across the country, including people who experience disabilities, cutting and capping medicaid will heard people with disability and seniors in nursing homes. ending medicaid expansion means we'll be taking a step back when it comes to fighting the opioid epidemic. this is the secretary of education who really doesn't
seem to value public education. this is an administration that is proposing a budget that would hurt families all across our country at the same time they made massive tax give aways to the wealthiest of corporation and individuals in our country. these are priorities that are backwards. >> we'll leave it there. new hampshire senator maggie hasin. thank you. >> thank you for having me. bombshell revelations in the new biography of barbara bush. she says president trump gave her heart problems. she also spent time talking about the state of the republican party. ty
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former first lady barbara bush blaming president trump for her heart problems. that's according to a new biography set to come out. at the time she died, she no longer considered herself a republican. the book is called the matriarch. it's written by susan page. page asked her about the state of the country in the age of trump about a year after his election. mrs. bush saying in part, i'm trying not to think about it. we're a strong country and i think it will all work out.
i'm joined by "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. big picture here, do any of these revelations surprise you? >> well, i think they tell us a lot about the state of the republican party today and how the people who had spent decades building it up prior to the trump era feel so deeply disconnected from the current leadership, roiight? the bushes represent the republican party as they used to be. they spent 90 years building up the republican party that no longer represents what they had built. i interviewed her in 2016 as well. you can see it dripping off her. i think susan page has got it right. in her book she captures the transition from a republican matriarch to a never trumper in the week and months before she passed away last year.
>> you've covered presidential relationships with figureheads and heroes of this party since he took office. holds no punches. here are a few of some of the things she said about barbara bush and her son, jeb, when they faced each other in 2016. >> bush has no money. he's cutting, he's meeting today with mommy and daddy. and they're working on their campaign. >> poor, poor, jeb bush brings out his mommy because he needed help. he needed help. >> bush is 1% in nevada. this guy, why doesn't he give up and go home? go home. go home to mom. got to go home to mommy. >> trump would become the leader of the party she no longer recognized. if the matriarch of the bush family is not a republican, who is, peter baker? >> good question. a whole new party. it's a different coalition that donald trump has put together. not your father's or grandfather's republican party.
it includes people who used to be democrats, it includes people who don't affiliate with a party per se, but associate themselves with the brand of politics that donald trump republicans. the idea of being outsider as he presents himself. the idea of being a disrupter, the idea that the bushes and clintons are part of an overall corrupt establishment in washington that donald trump is there to up end. >> you know, there's all kinds of little tidbits that have been released about this book that i found fascinating, this idea that barbara bush apparently had a countdown clock on her nightstand. that was a gift from a friend that was counting down the hours to the end of the trump presidency. what do we surmise is next for the bushes who are still in politics? >> well, that's a great question. the one bush who is currently in elective office, a fourth generation, is george p. bush, a land conditioner in texas. he's the only bush who publicly
endorsed president trump. of course, he feels like he needs to do that in, you know, to be a successful politician in texas today. the rest of the family is no longer in politics that has backed away from the trump presidency. george h.w. bush who passed away last year told a biography he voted for hillary clinton. george w. bush said he voted for none of the above. there's no love lost between the bush family and the trumps. if you have to run for office, whether you can have that kind of position or whether you have to be loyal to this president at this point, right now this is donald trump's republican party. >> in the book she also reportedly called the president greedy, ugly at one point as well according to the excerpts we've seen. how surprised are you that the president hasn't tweeted about this yet? >> it's early. sometimes he waits a little bit. maybe if fox airs something about it he'll react. in fact, the words you just read
from susan page's excerpt go back all the way to the 90s. this is not a new position for barbara bush. not even the fact that her son, jeb bush, lost the nomination to donald trump in 2016. her impression of donald trump is a vulgar figure goes back 20, 30 years to when he was a real estate developer and famously flashy in his affairs with women and so forth and so on. i think he is everything she finds, you know, unpleasant about celebrity politics in america today. >> also revealing that she talked about donald trump at that point calling her husband and suggesting he become vice president. lots of interesting nuggets there. peter baker, thank you, sir. thanks for helping us digest it. now to an inspiring man who beat all kinds of odds. some have called david goggins the it toughest man alive. he's believed to be the only man
to complete air controller training, army ranger school and become part of the elite navy s.e.a.l.s. on the third hour of today i caught up with mr. goggins and we talked about the unimaginable obstacles he overcome. >> i wore this body armor, but inside i was a broken kid. >> what was it like growing up for you? >> when you're getting beat from your dad on a daily basis, and you don't know why, your self-esteem, your self-doubt, all those things start to build up. on top of that i had a learning disability. i stuttered. >> when goggins was eight he and his mother left their home and his father behind and moved to indiana. they struggled financially and school wasn't easy. >> there was prejudice in indiana. how did you go from that to this? >> there wasn't many people there to save me. >> what about your mom? >> she's an amazing woman, love her to death but she was working three jobs. >> was there an aha moment?
>> some kids wrote we're going to kill you on your car. i didn't take my mom about it. i was a junior with a fourth grade reading level. >> he held himself accountable for who he was and for the man he wanted to become. >> i came up with the thing called the accountability mirror. i called myself a liar, whatever it was i was going through and i wrote these things. i couldn't even spell. i put these post it notes all over this mirror in the bathroom. i said you're going to fix every one of these things. >> with this new mindset, he set his sights on joining the military. >> i went to the air force. >> you failed the entrance exam? >> twice. this other thing in me, this very passionate about trying to succeed. because i always failed. i passed that test. i got into the military. >> after four years, he left the air force, worked as an
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to help make things easier. pnc bank. make today the day. most popular non-candidate in the 2020 democratic presidential race joe biden says he wished he'd done more to give anita hill the kind of hearing she deserved when she accused clarence thomas of sexual har s harassment. he was the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> she paid a terrible price. she was abused for the hearing. she was taken advantage of. her reputation was attacked. to this day, i regret i couldn't come up with a way to get her the kind of hearing she deserved. >> let's bring in jonathan capo,
and mike minally. we've heard him answer that question before. i asked him about it six months ago. he talked about it then. in prepared remarks last night he decide today address it once again. how big of an issue is this going to be? >> the path to the nomination runs through african-american voters. what we've seen from the former vice president is an attempt to clear the deck of some of the issues that might be liabilities for him. on martin luther king day he spoke at an event accounting his support for the crime bill, saying that was a mistake. we've learned from that. obviously, as you mentioned you asked him about this six months ago, but this was a different moment because he's bringing it up proactively, trying to address the issue on his terms talking about the what he's learned and the work he's done
campaigning for women candidates trying to avoid a situation where you don't have an all white male panel abusing anita hill. >> what about the eight years he spent as vice president to the first black president of the united states? at what point does joe biden not get a pass on this, but at what do we think perhaps that african-americans say to joe biden, okay, we hear the apology, we accept it, let's move on. >> we might find out. he has to stand on his own two feet and his own record before he became vice president to president obama. at some point if he does satisfy the african-american community in general with his apologies -- i'm sure he's going to have to do it many more times over if he does get in this race. then people will focus on his tenure for eight years with
president obama. i want to put a finer point on mike's excellent analysis of why vice president biden is doing this. black women are the key to the democratic party nomination. they are the key to electoral victory. we saw it in governor northham's win in virginia, we saw it in doug jones' win in alabama for the senate seat, for senator jones. so many times african-american women who have been the ones who have saved the democratic candidates from lecatorielector defeat. if joe biden is going to get into the race, he has got to get things right with african-american women. that is why you see him going out there time and time again talking about what happened with the clarence thomas hearing and the treatment of anita hill and what more he could have done to make that less of a spectacle.
>> there's been talk that that may be why we started to hear is that campaign was considering asking georgia's stacey abrams to be his running mate. abrams spoke about that. >> i think the presidency is about reashirtiserting who we a without excluding the majority. >> during the lunch with the vice president, let me ask you, did the conversation of a potential future ticket between the two of you, vice president -- you being his vice president on the ticket? >> we talked about a lot of things, but that was not the core issue. >> she didn't say they didn't talk about it, she was that wasn't the core issue. she also went on to say that the party has to start evolving on what the face of leadership looks like.
if joe biden is going to do what you contend he has to, which is appeal specifically to black women voters, adding someone like stacey abrams or kamala harris, how far does that go in shoring up that part of the base of the party? >> well, i mean, it depends on who you talk to. a lot of times we focus a lot on who the vice presidential nominee will be, and then the story comes out that nominee doesn't make any difference to the top of the ticket. it does send a signal to the country about the presidential nominees' priorities. there is a way for the democratic presidential nominee to talk to the country while at the same time talking to the various constituencies in the country who are looking to hear themselves and see themselves in that ticket. and the other point i want to make is if there is an
african-american woman who, let's say, she does not become the democratic presidential nominee, let's say it is biden who is the nominee and he chooses an african-american woman to be his running mate, that that should be a decision made be her. one of the receipts wasons why n camp got in trouble is because it showed the novelty factor wore off, people focused in on the fact that you know what? if stacey abrams wants to be on the ticket she should be on the ticket of her own volition. it has to be -- whoever the nomty nominee is, the person has to be on the ticket because they want to be on the ticket and they bring something to the ticket and not part as a gimmick or novelty. >> tokenism. >> in short, yes. >> yes. mike, when is he going to do it? you maintain that this entire conversation may be for naught because you think there's still
a significant percentage chance of joe biden at the 11th hour decides he doesn't want to do it. >> the plan is we're about to turn the calendar into april. that was the month when they envisioned an announcement. whenever i talk to biden's advisors, some more than others always have that little bit of doubt. he did think it was too early to announce, you can baeto o'rourk gaining steeam. if he begins to think there isn't a path for him to win, he might think against it. >> thank you. let's go now to the white house. let's go down to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. kelly o'donnell is standing by i'm told. kelly o., president trump, we're expecting to hear from him any moment now. he's meeting, as i understand it at least, with the wife of venezuela's president? >> reporter: that's correct.
that's the u.s. chosen president, not maduro. we're waiting for the tape to be made available to the networks simultaneously. it occurred in the oval office where he offered support to this young first lady in waiting and she and the president both talked about the importance of supporting this change in venezuela. the president went on to take some questions on news of the day topics. things like his administration going through the court process to try to strike down the obamacare law and also talking about venezuela, which is one of the hot issues for this administration. and i believe the tape may be available here shortly. craig? >> all right. let's listen in now. president trump there at the white house. let's listen. >> thank you very much, it's a
great honor to have the first lady of venezuela. she's been through a tremendous -- she's been through a lot, let's put it that way. she's been through what people don't want to have to go through and should never have to go through. her husband is a tremendous man who is working so hard. it's very dangerous. it's dangerous stuff. we hear what's going on. we know exactly what's going on. vice president mike was there for a period of time and got to know your husband very well. but i just want to say we're going to have a terrific conversation. we already have. a lot of progress is being made with all of the problems, the tremendous amount of progress is being made. [speaking in a foreign language]
[speaking in a foreign language] >> venezuela was a country with tremendous potential and is still a country with tremendous potential. but people are starving, they're being killed. they're being beaten. what's going there is unfathomable to everybody that gets reports, we're getting reports that are horrible. the potential of venezuela, if done property and with democracy, would be incredible. it was one of the richest countries, certainly one of the truly rich countries of the world and now it's one of the poorest countries of the world. look at what's happened despite oil, the oil is not coming out.
everything's broken. they have no water. they have no electric. they have -- the lights are out. in fact, i understand just today they had a big blackout. so we're very much in contact with your husband. and with everybody else and a lot of things are want haenihap. many things are happening, please. [speaking in a foreign language] # [speaking in a foreign language]
>> so just in concluding, i want to say, again, to have you and your friends and representatives with us has been incredible. i know that you tremendously. i would like you to say a few words. first lady, i would love to have you say a few words to the media. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ]
[ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: thank you very much, mr. president. it is an honor for me to be here. i thank you, i thank the vice president. it was a pleasure meeting you as well. and mr. bolton, it's an honor to come to you as we do. venezuela is going through a terrible crisis. the power crisis is very serious. children are dying, are dying in hospitals. children are dying because they have no food. hospitals are in darkness. the crisis is serious.
>> translator: but what they don't know is that when they do that, we will not rest. we are here to save lives and to give back freedom. we want to save our children. we want to save our elderly who are the ones who are suffering. and this is what venezuela is going through. [ speaking foreign language ]
>> translator: venezuela is not alone. the u.s. is with venezuela. the international community is with venezuela. the world is with venezuela. the world sees and the world hears the terrible consequences of this dictatorship. but venezuela decided that this is the year of peace. and we are going to be able to go forward. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: and we also want
to warn the world that what we were seeing is a wave of attacks against the president. there is repressions. there is prison. and what they want is to attack him. we're fighting for life and death and we know that what will triumph in the end is life. i know that you will be part of this process. thank you. >> thank you very much. that's very well-said, beautifully said. can you tell us about your husband? something happened that's very terrible. >> he was at home last week, and at 2:00 a.m. the political forces of nicolas maduro entered and in a brutal raid in our
home, at 2:00 a.m. there were like 60 people around trying to get by the force in our house. they finally did. and with lack of communication, they destroyed our house, our child's room, everything. they planted guns and things. this happened for three hours. it was a nightmare. and after that, they kidnapped him. we didn't know anything about him for six days. they've been trying to delay the process. because we have no light, so the electricity isn't working, so we don't know anything. he was the personal friend of -- >> we have been link and watching president trump there at the white house speaking with the wife of the president of venezuela, the president that's recognized by the united states, juan guaido.
that's his wife seated to the right of the president, screen left. kelly o'donnell, what did we hear from the wife of mr. guaido? >> reporter: the administration is trying to show support for this new administration they're backing in venezuela and also speaking out against russian interference, if i can use that phrase, russian support for the current maduro government in venezuela. there were russian aircraft that came in, and the u.s. is speaking out against that. we heard separately from the vice president on that, saying that russia needs to not interfere in venezuela. and obviously the president was trying to lean into some of the human experience in venezuela with the associate of fabiano
rosales -- i'm sorry, we're dialing while i'm on the air, guys. so the human piece of this, which is so challenging in venezuela, where the united states is wanting other nations to join with the u.s., to acknowledge this government in waiting and to try to get maduro out. this is an issue where certainly the president has felt that he has strength on the international stage for this position, and it is also one that has a very strong response in the united states in places like florida, for example, where there is a large venezuelan community, i think the largest outside of venezuela, likiving florida. all of that plays into this and they want to highlight this important visit. craig? >> kelly o'donnell for us at the white house, helping us unpack that meeting. kelly, thank you. that's going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live."
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