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that's it for today. thanks for being with us. follow us at mitchell reports. here's ali velshi for "velshi & ruhle." >> great conversation with stacey abrams. have a great afternoon. hello, everyone. i'm ali velshi. let's get smarter. >> obamacare is a disaster. it's too expensive by far. people can't afford it. and the deductible is horrible. and if the supreme court rules that obamacare is out, we will have a plan that's far better than obamacare. the only difference between now and the other administration is that we're administering obamacare very well. so we've made it better, but it's still horrible, no good. it's something that we can't live with in this country. >> i'm very disappointed and vehemently opposed to the administration seeking to invalidate the entire affordable care act.
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>> if for any reason the lawsuit succeeded and jeopardized preexisting conditions, i'm sure the president and the congress would immediately restore it. >> republicans will find that since they don't really have a replacement bill that does what the affordable care act does, stripping away that key protection through legal action by the trump administration will prove wildly unpopular. >> we're going to do everything in our power to make sure it doesn't pass. politics aside, there's 20 million people at risk of losing their health care. >> the showdown got personal and really fast as a top trump official tried to de fend dee funding the special olympics. >> we had to make a called decision with the budget. >> i can't understand why you would go after disabled children in your budget. you zero that out. it's appalling. >> politically the optics are very tough for the trump administration. >> i don't know the number. >> it's 272,000 kids. i'll answer for you. that's okay, no problem. it's 272,000 kids that are
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affected. >> we may have to put the green new deal vote come up? >> yeah, he said make sure you don't kill it too much because i want to run against it. >> climate crisis is an existential threat of our generation. today the house democratic majority is honoring the will of the people and taking first steps to protect our planet and our future. >> we have a moral obligation to future generations to tackle the climate crisis now. >> the science is perfectly clear. we have a very short runway to avoid very catastrophic consequence for our planet. and this moment really does require bold action now from the congress. >> the battle over health care is back. the big question now, repeal or repair president obama's signature accomplishment, the affordable care act known as obamacare. president trump and the justice department are now actively working to toss out obamacare wholesale. this comes after multiple failed attempts to repeal the health care law. if he succeeds, 21 million americans will lose their private insurance, or medicaid
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coverage, and the health care system would be thrown into chaos. 130 million people with preexisting conditions could lose health insurance. joining us now is senator tammy baldwin, democrat of wisconsin. senator baldwin, good to see you on this. i just -- i think it's worth reminding people, before obamacare, and you've had personal experience with this wh when you were young. >> yes. >> all of us would have something that would qualify as a preexisting condition to keep us from getting health care. anybody who has taken a tablet for depression or adhd or add could get denied insurance. >> right. >> you were 9 years old and you had an illness. >> that's right. i had a serious childhood illness at age 9. in the hospital three months. my grandparents who raised me said, let's address her coverage now. and i was labelled as a child with a preexisting health condition. and they couldn't find insurance coverage at any price because of my previous illness despite my
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full recovery. and that is what so many parents in wisconsin and across the country were terrified about during the 2018 elections. as you know, i just -- i was reelected, and this was the key issue in 2018 as people had witnessed the congress voting on repeal, and then they witnessed the administration sabotaging the affordable care act with various executive orders and actions. and now, of course, they're terrified about this case that's playing its way out in court. and i think that president trump just assured us that the issue in 2020 will also be health care. >> he said yesterday the republican party will be the party of health care. he said that it will involve the protection of preexisting conditions. i just don't understand it because the federal government, the department of justice, an executive branch, has joined a
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number of republican state attorneys general to basically have obamacare completely eliminated, declared unconstitutional, gutted. this isn't changes to obamacare, on the same day the president is saying the republicans will be the party of health care and preexisting conditions will be protected. >> well, we need to at this point disregard the words and follow the actions. the action is very clear. he has -- the department of justice is not going to defend the affordable care act in court, and they want it thrown out in its entirety. not only does that strip away health care from 21 million americans, but it also erodes protections that are vital. as you just mentioned, the one we talk about the most is protections for people with preexisting health conditions. they can't be denied or discriminated against in the premium setting. but it also has many other important protections, including
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making sure that a parent can keep their child on their health insurance until they're 26 years old. i'm particularly focused on that one because i drafted that amendment in the house when we were originally debating the affordable care act. and it also has coverage of essential benefits. >> right. >> things we consider to be essential to our well-being and preventive care, et cetera. >> and if i may interrupt you there, senator, so our viewers westbou can be reminded, these are a series of benefits under obamacare you couldn't cover a policy that couldn't cover. you can get one that costs less, but it won't offer you some basic coverages everybody had to offer under obamacare. >> that's right. and even that has been sabotaged. so as we recall, last year president trump said, i want to be able to sell junk plans outside the affordable care act
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market place. and what do i mean -- why do i call them junk plans? because they do not have to cover preexisting conditions. i can tell you almost none of them cover maternity care. they are very bare bones plans, and they are already undermining the affordability issues for everyone else. so that's what happens when you sabotage and undermine the affordable care act. there's many things we can do to strengthen it. don't get me wrong. but that opportunity has been denied us for way too many years, and all i can tell you is trump has just made health care the central issue in 2020. >> right. for people who don't remember what the essential health care benefits were, you mentioned maternity, mental health, substance abuse, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, lab services, wellness services,
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pediatric, oral and vision care services. these are not crazy things. these are things we would all use. senator, house democrats are unveiling a bill that aims to lower cost and protect people with preexisting conditions, separate from that there is a medicare for all bill in the house. i am a little worried. you and i have talked about this many times. i am a little worried that the message is getting muddied here about what health care under democrats and including some democratic presidential candidates is going to look like. how actually do we approach what democrats are going to do with respect to health care? >> you know, i think it's pretty simple. every demi know who is running for president, every demi know who i serve with in either the house or the senate is fighting for lower costs, higher quality, and greater access. the big difference that people need to keep in mind is we have a president who is trying to take away health care from 21 million people, trying to deny
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people with preexisting conditions, the coverage that they need and would rely on. and has been totally ineffectual so far in lowering the price of prescription drugs. in fact, his tax plan where pharmaceutical companies got significant wind falls, they have invested that in stock buy backs and not in lowering the price in prescription drugs that save and extend lives. the big difference is where would the republican party and this president take you on health care versus where are we all moving. in terms of the bold proposals that are out there, we need bold proposals. we need to debate them. but remember, the difference between the parties is whether you're taking it away from people or trying to craft old solutions. >> i remember in october -- november of last year, watching republican candidates running
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ads about the degree to which they would protect preexisting conditions. it is remarkable. senator, good to see you as always. >> great to see you. >> senator tammie baldwin of wisconsin. living on a school teacher's salary. everybody agrees they should receive more but will it be done at the federal or local level? one presidential candidate is putting that on the proverbial front burner. taking something from both of these pots that can be done. we'll discuss it on the other side. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." like now your doctor may be talking to you about screening for colon cancer. luckily there's me, cologuard. the noninvasive test you use at home. it all starts when your doctor orders me. then it's as easy as get, go, gone. you get me when i'm delivered... right to your front door and in the privacy of your own home. there's no prep or special diet needed. you just go to the bathroom, to collect your sample. after that, i'm gone,
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education secretary betsy devos wants to cut billions from the federal education budget. that's billions with a b. she was on the hill on tuesday explaining why. let's take a look at her plan. overall, devos is asking for $7 billion less in federal education funding and predictability she got an earful from democrats. they're not the only ones criticizing her budget. republican representative tom cole of oklahoma called it short sighted saying we're not spending enough on education. these cuts by the way represent 12% of the department of education's budget. it plan eliminates $2 billion, grant program for teacher development. she proposes replacing this with a voucher program. one of over 30 programs slated for complete elimination in the new education budget, includes programs that assist native a last cans and hawaiians. childhood development as well as gifted and talented programs. it also seeks to end several
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federal aid programs, including loan forgiveness for people working in the public sector, and cutting funding for work study programs popular at many colleges in half. much of what devos proposes cutting helps minority students, disabled, kids from poor families along with those trying to afford the cost of college. something she does want to add is is a $5 billion tax credit to help students attend private schools, calling it an opportunity for education freedom. this is, of course, despite the fact that a billion dollars was lost by the department on charter schools that had helped fund that were never opened or closed due to mismanagement. the secretary defended that as the natural result of experimentation. now, that's the struggle students and their families face. but there is a pervasive issue of a pay gap between teachers and other qualified professions. that's been going on for decades. i want to take a closer look at this. according to a report from the
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economic policy institute, in 2017, american teachers made about $350 less per week than other college graduates. this may not sound like a lot of money, but it's like having an $18,000 pay cut compared to the average salary of other college graduates with similar experience, education and demographics. now, add to that disparity a department of education survey that found 94% of teachers spent money out of their own pocket to pay for classroom expenses. those costs cost an extra $479 on average, with 7% of teachers, by the way, saying they spent a thousand dollars or more of their own money. meanwhile, teachers consistently rate highly on public esteem polls. they come in second to the military in pew research polls, outstripping medical doctors and scientists. here's where it gets interesting. 2020 democratic candidate kamala harris has published an op-ed outlining a plan to eliminate
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that pay gap. under the plan the federal government would contribute $3 for every dollar that states spend on increasing teacher pay. the states would be required to maintain that investment and increase it to compensate for inflation. now, in addition to the funding, harris proposes unspecified additional investments for schools in under served areas providing money to help reduce teacher turnover in those areas. part of this would be what she terms a million multi billion dollar investment to elevate the teaching profession which seems to be professional development programs. she portions off half of this fund to historically black colleges and universities or other institutions primarily serving minority students. harris proposes paying for her plan, by the way, with an increase in the estate tax for the top 1% of taxpayers and ending loopholes in the tax code that she says, quote, let the very wealthiest avoid paying their fair share. all right, joining me now, founder of the teacher salary
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project to discuss theish other you we discuss, teacher salaries. the senator's plan to incentivize states with federal funds to raise salaries of teachers. do you see that as effective? >> i'm thrilled about it. i think for decades we've known that the most important part of any school is teachers. and today 4% of college students say that they want to go into teaching. if we increase pay by 50%, 68% of college youth would want to go into teaching and we desperately need that. and part of the reason they don't want to go into teaching is we ask teachers to take a vow of poverty. they see their teachers bartending, house keeping and driving uber and they don't want that. they want a profession. so i'm proud of the senator for trying to solve that gap. >> so, it's an interesting and innovative potential solution, but it doesn't address the underlying issue, and that is for 20 plus years we have systematically decided to under fund public education, and not pay teachers more. the strikes of last year, if it
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did nothing, it got us to be able to talk to some of these teachers, find out how much they earn, be shocked by it, and then learn about how much money they take out of their own pockets to fund their classrooms and to the degree to which they have to have other jobs. it is fundamentally a problem -- it's philosophically a problem the way we look at public education in this country. >> absolutely. and i think, you know, i beg teachers to strike for many, many years running the teacher salary project. it's the last thing they want to do. they're so committed to their youth. but it's gotten to a point that it's not sustainable. our society has normalized teachers should have secondary income. i'm intense on this topic. i don't think teachers should tutor. i think college students should tutor. uber in 2014 launched this whole campaign recruiting teachers, no other profession, recruiting teachers. and i interviewed a teacher who drove uber. she said when people from other countries got into her car and found out that she was a teacher
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with a masters degree, they were incredulous. they were horrified. when americans got into her car and found out she had a teachers degree, they said, what a great job for a teacher. so we've normalized this. 46% of teachers leave within five years. it is so expensive to have that kind of turnover. and to senator kamala's point, mostly minority students are the ones that have the impact of that horrific turnover. >> the 46% you were talking about, 46% of teachers leave the profession within five years. the corollary to that is, as you said, the number of people who won't even give it a chance. they're not going to become a teacher because the trajectory suggests you're going to be under paid, overworked, using your own personal money, needing to take a second job. so even if we fix this this year, it would be years before we got -- we were able to sort of get the pick of the litter, get the best people in here saying i'm going to commit to this for a long time to be a teacher because it is an
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esteemed and valued profession in america. >> well, our dream, all i can say is let's get started. our dream at the teacher salary project is college youth would be asner vus to get a teaching credential as they are to get into medical school. so we just need to get started. the best news is that youth in college tell us that they want to teach. now we need to teach -- treat the profession professionally and get them in there and have them have it be sustainable so that they can thrive. and i think, you know, it's not an issue that's just about the left. it's really everyone's, everyone's concern. investing in education is really going to be good for absolutely everybody. and i know that her plan is going to take time. my vision would be to double teachers' salaries, in fact. so i am in all agreement. we are all in. >> what is the -- your response to some critics who say the problem -- it's often the same critics who advocate for charter schools -- the problem is teachers unions that don't
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eliminate bad teachers or have things like we had in new york, rubber rooms where teachers get paid to sit around and not teach because they've done bad things, can the unions do more to help solve this problem? >> yes, i think absolutely. the unions need to be in the business of protecting good quality teaching, not all teachers. i think that's really painful. and i've said that for a long time, and it's not -- it's not comfortable, but we also need to provide resources to teachers. we need to support them. we need to treat them as the professionals we expect them to be. and in addition to that, the union can play a role in professionalizing teaching. you know, one idea that we've had for a long time, too, is what if the unions supported teachers to become nationally board certified. and within a certain amount of years you would have to have that certification the same way an accountant or lawyer has this incredibly high standard. so i think putting union resources into elevating the teaching profession is also part of the solution for sure. >> good to talk to you. thank you very much for joining us. >> nice to talk to you. thank you for having me.
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for the world's biggest social network, facebook has announced it officially is banning white nationalism and white separatism on its platform including instagram. in a statement just released facebook says, quote, our efforts to combat hate don't is it start here. as part of today's announcement we'll connect with people who search for terms for white supremacy focused on resources helping people leave behind hate groups. people will be directed to life after hate, an organization founded by former violent extremists that provide crisis intervention, education support groups, and outreach. this move comes amid growing pressure for facebook to closely monitor the growing epidemic of hate speech among users. the new policy will be officially implemented next week. joining me is senior business reporter ben popkin. i know you cover this very closely. i guess i have two questions for you. is this a good idea and can they achieve it? >> it is a better idea. they can get closer to achieving it than they have in the past. the question is will they?
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will they be as aggressive against these perpetrators of hate and violence as they have against terrorists in other countries. >> isis is a good example where facebook did manage to sort of stamp out most of the isis stuff that was on its platforms. why is this more difficult or less difficult or is it the same difficulty? >> it seems to come down to difference of definition. today what they really did was they closed a loophole. so there was a loophole for hate on facebook where they exclusively banned white supremacy, and they allowed for white separate advertise many and nationalism which they didn't think was as problematic. there is so much overlap between these hateful ideas which are just different shades of hate that they have to be treated together, the same, finally they are being. >> whether it's isis or whether it's white supremacistists and white nationalists, how does facebook get around the fact it continues to still make the
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argument that it's kind of a utility, it's a platform and they're interested in having all sorts of views and opinions? how are they reconciled that? clearly the comment from facebook today says we think this is a bad thing. >> even if they are a platform for expressions of ideas, they do have content policies. they have banned pornography and guns and human trafficking. so this puts the expressions of hate under those same kind of content policies that they can ban for. it's their advertising-driven platform. they can ban whatever they want from it. >> facebook talked to mother board and they gave an example. they said phrases such as i am a proud white nationalist is tearing this country apart. white exceseperatism is the onl answer. the president said facebook seems to only target conservative speech and
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conservative groups. you have examples of that that might make that untrue. they're going to get some backlash from this. >> clearly. people are going to be upset. whether they're in these groups, have an affinity for them, or whether they simply think that people should be allowed to go on the internet and say whatever they want. and where i think there is there should be an important distinction, people should be allowed to go on the internet and say these things. the difference is are we going to provide an advertising-driven optimization engine that drives -- you are interested in this idea. let me show you the most hateful most extreme version of that -- >> i should have started the conversation here. hateful people can still go on the internet a lot. >> absolutely. >> facebook is an advertising tool that connects people to other interests. and that's what -- that's the worst part about this. that people who put the stuff on could until now, and by the way, will until next year be able to do this and find other examples of people who are also hateful. >> yes, facebook was built for
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marketing and marketing is all about promotion, propaganda and recruitment. it's become a platform for spreading and marketing those hateful ideas. what we need to do is crackdown on that. the question is can they put the genie back in the bottle. this is a problem they created putting these people in contact with each other in the first place. >> ben, thank you for your reporting on this, ben pop ken, senior news reporter. what voters say and what that means at the polls. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." we'll be back with that. what if other kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology - and experts agree. that's why we're working on ways to improve it. so plants... can be a little more... like plants.
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the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. we are going to meet these challenges, we need a democracy that expects and brings out the very best from all of us. democrats, republican or independent. >> i'll give you a second way we change an economy. we make the billionaires pay a fair share. [ applause ] >> yeah. so my proposal on this is a wealth tax on all of the great fortunates. the fortunes. the fortunes of $50 million and up. the proposal is 2% -- 2% on your 50 millionth and first dollar of wealth. >> the data is very clear that teachers are, as compared to other college graduates, receiving 11% less in pay across the country.
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so we have data that supports this point. and that is the equivalent of about $13,500 a year. and $13,500 a year is the equivalent of a year's worth of mortgage payments, the equivalent of a year's worth of grocery bills. the equivalent of paying down student loans for a year. >> three different candidates three difficult aren't strategies. we're starting to see a trend on candidates who lean on pomp, like beto o'rourke, others focused on policy like kamala harris and senator warren. that explains why warren lags behind opponents such as beto o'rourke in national polling, fund-raising and media attention. joining me now pbs news hour white house correspondent and msnbc contributor yamiche alcindor and beth fuey. beth, we've had this
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conversation a lot. ing wonky candidates tend to get our attention and they get some people's attention. kamala harris's education proposal was mildly blocked today. we talked about teachers and what they should get paid. hillary clinton -- elizabeth warren is coming up like hillary clinton, proposals on a regular basis. hillary clinton couldn't get traction on that during her campaign. i don't know whether elizabeth warren is getting traction, but she's coming out with specific proposals on average once a week or more. >> right. we've had such a big field. everybody is trying to stand out in their own way. keep in mind it is very early, ali. some of this could change over the course of time. you're correct, elizabeth warren is trying to take that role as the policy person in the field, although kamala's teacher pay is an interesting concept as well. truth is voters are interested in this stuff. places in iowa, new hampshire, these early states, we're seeing them go to a lot of these candidates' events, home parties, town halls, wanting to
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hear what the candidates have to say. kicking the tires, whether it's being inspired by beto o'rourke, we all need to come together sort of message or getting into the granular details of a policy proposals, these democrats out in the states are going and listening to the candidates to hear what they have to say. there is a lot of interest right now in all of these democrats. we have several months to go before somebody is going to shake out as the nominee. but each is taking a different approach and the voters are saying, look, i'm going to consider all these folks. i want somebody to beat trump and i'm going to figure out listening to all of them what is the best way to get to that point. >> yamiche, one of the things that could be happening with elizabeth warren is she is laying a benchmark of a lot of policy on a number of issues that democrats are traditionally concerned about and some that they haven't necessarily agreed with. and it's maybe setting up a situation where other candidates have to sort of agree with or disagree with or challenge or come up with other versions of them. >> politics is all about personality and policy. and i think that's been the case for years. and in this case in particular, people want someone who can beat
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donald trump, but they also think that the democratic candidates largely believe or believe in the same thing, in that they really are the party of people thinking wealthy people should be paying more in taxes. they're the party that thinks health care and the aca or even medicare for all, those are the type of things health care should be a human right. in some ways when i talk to democratic voters and democratic consultants, they say when it comes to the policy difference, that's going to shake out later. but it's almost fair game to say someone who comes out with a great policy, we should think about reparations, we should think about a tax for the wealthy. really it does come down to this idea beto is someone people see as charismatic standing on tables and the likes, getting these big crowds. elizabeth warren might be the person as you say setting the rules. i think about the idea most of the democratic candidates, they're not going to be able to have big pacs and wall street bankers giving them money.
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eye l elizabeth warren and bernie sanders said you should do this for the grassroots. it will be a costly election, but that's the rules of the game right now. >> beth, what's the impact of some of these lesser-known candidates? there are a few. jay inchesly has gotten into the race. pete, he seems to be getting attention. otherwise don't know who these people are. tune in, that's why we put them on tv. they hear them, interesting stuff. don't know these people are going to be the presidential candidate. maybe they will, maybe they won't, but they're all introducing something a little different to the conversation. >> they have to, otherwise they're going to kind of get lost in this big field. we haven't seen a big field like this, certainly on the democratic side in quite sometime. they have to differentiate themselves somehow. but they're all really trying to do right now, ali, is get to that debate stage. we post first debates in june. getting on the debate stage, especially the lesser known people as you say, that don't have national fund-raising,
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national traction, john delaneys of the world, even the governors less well known. governor hickenlooper from colorado. they feel they can get up on the stage, grab the attention of a large audience and make a case for themselves. that does slice that onion a little thin on their own behalf. jay inslee around climate change. pete, an intellectual, thinking cerebrally. you need to inspire. it's the rare candidate who can do both. everybody is finding their way through that maze, whether it's the inspiration or the sort of intellectual aspiration. perhaps whomever at the end of this comes out will be the one who fuses the two of them together. we don't know who that person will be. at the debates will be our first opportunity to see that in action. >> yamiche, you've done this enough to know that early day polls are not indicative of anything. certainly when the republicans have had this many people in the
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race, you've already seen every last one be at the top of a poll somewhere at some point. we have an interesting -- the emerson poll for the iowa caucus, the 2020 democratic caucus, very early to be talking about that, shows joe biden undeclared candidate followed by sanders. pete behind hem him. >> i've talked to the candidates kamm panlz. they are looking at joe biden saying if he gets in there, that's a game changer. i've heard that from several campaigns. it's interesting to see other campaigns get ready for the biden ticket -- for biden to enter the race. i keep thinking about one voter who voted for obama in 2010 or 2012, and then voted for trump in 2016. that voter said i like trump because he has the hot hand. he's the person that just seems like he has the most energy. the person couldn't put the
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finger on what exactly about trump made him excited about him. that's what democrats want. they want the person with the hot hand. that could be anybody i think still. >> thanks to both of you as always. yamichal sin "door," the pbs contributor. thanks to both of you. the green new deal gets its first defeat in the united states senate. trump says not so fast. why he wants to keep the green new deal alive after mocking it for months. you're going to like this one. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. t even in a gown ♪ ♪ and the only thing u have to say is wow ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪ ♪ and you never felt this type of emotion ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪
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the green new deal vote will come up. >> yeah, he said make sure you don't kill it too much because i want to run against it. >> make sure you don't kyle it too much because i want to run against it. those words coming from senator lindsey graham on capitol hill on tuesday when asked how president trump felt about the green new deal. make sure you don't kyle it too much because i want to run against it. as of late night, the senate not surprisingly failed to move forward with the green new deal, but with the 2020 election on the horizon, the partisan clash over how to address the climate crisis is probably only going to get worse. whether you're a democrat or republican, climate change is
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happening and it's happening now. just last week, africa saw one of the worst weather disasters the continent has ever seen. cyclone idai brought deadly 120 mile per hour winds lashing rains, flooding and landslides across three different countries. the death toll now over 750. all right. the same time week massive floods took over america's midwest, it was caused bid southern warm weather combined with unusually high snow melt. forecasters warn it is original going to get worse as we head into spring. nasa reports the glacier on antarctica's coast contributes 4% to the rising sea levels. and just last month scientists discovered an enormous under water cavity that will likely speed up the glacier's decay. it is 2 1/2 the size of manhattan. let's not forget the tragic event we saw last year.
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national oceanic studied 14 catastrophic weather events in the u.s. alone that added up to over a billion dollar in damages. michael and the devastating fires out west. the same year another noaa report found 2018 was the fourth warm est year ever recorded on earth. take a look at the other ones. 2016, 2015, 2017. we are in the four of the five warm est years ever recorded on earth. joining me now, former deputy under secretary at the national oceanic and atmospheric administration, the founder of our daily planet, monica medina. good to see you again. thank you for being with us. >> thanks, ali, it's great to be here today. thanks for having me. >> i think there are lots of reasons why reasonable people might have criticisms about the green new deal or whether they can price it out properly, what it's going to cost. i'm fascinated that donald trump thinks that he should keep this alive so that he can run against
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it. it's a bit bizarre. the president of the united states is banking on a win from voters for his party by going against policies that would benefit the environment. >> i know, it's crazy. i never agree with the president. on this one, i totallypresident. on this one, i totally agree with him. let's keep the green new deal, it is a winner for democrats. 80% of all americans want clean air and safe water and clean power and energy and wind and solar. those are not divisive issues in our country. there is overwhelming agreements in red states and blue states and east and west. that's what the public wants. if the president wants to run on his record on those things, bring it on. 27% of americans do not accept climate change. about 23% of americans think barack obama was as kenyan-born or muslim. i guess it is not crazy that 27% don't accept this. what is crazy is while
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republicans are completely not in sync of the numbers. i don't understand it at all. actually this is going to be a difficult issue for a lot of republicans who are up for election in 2020. a lot of those senators in places like colorado or florida or north carolina are going to be running from this issue because even they now admit that is climate change is happening. you can't look around us. even in the midwest, think about it. there are millions of people who are being affected by those floods. kansas city, water was potentially contaminated over the weekend. a million people had water they get from drinking wells and those are potentially contaminated. these issues are everywhere. people see them and they know them. i think it is why it is starting to take root in the country. people want to talk about it.
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kidnapp candidates get asked about them everywhere they go. republicans are kidding themselves of the vote in the senate yesterday just i think going to make them look bad in the end. it did not look the issue of any serious considerations. it was senator lee and his poster. >> seriously. >> and the epa administrator, the boss of the epa says we don't need to worry about this. monica, we'll have more time. we'll love the time to discuss this and we'll use it well. monica, thank you so much. >> the founder of our daily planet, former department,principle department under oceanic. >> twelve days after pleading guilty for lying to mueller. will george papadopoulos lie again after wearing a wire? . you are watching "velshi & ruhle."
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he's not ruhle. >> george papadopoulos is out of prison plugging a new book in an interview on "the beat" yesterday. he boasted of street credits that he had in prisoner. papadopoulos addressed a pardon. >> do you want to get a pardon from president trump? >> i am not asking one. i know my lawyer applied for one. if immigra am granted, i will a it as an honor. >> let's bring in our ari melber. he was the copy boy as they call him. this guy insinuated himself into the central operations of the trump campaign in the early days. >> absolutely. this is his first interview on msnbc. it is one thing to see him talk about and do that journalistically. the question of papadopoulos was always, was he everything or nothing? >> he understands and i play for him and responded to the copy
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boy attack, the fbi and ultimately the mueller investigation viewed him as critical gathering the facts. that's important. the fbi also according to papadopoulos asked him to wear a wire to track down an alleged russian spy. it sounds like a spy game but that's what we were told. we asked him about it. >> nwhat else can i be here for? at the end of the day, i can throw out my career. >> were you worried? >> i was worried for my safety. >> he's explaining why he ultimately did not wear the wire. the reason why it matters also is that if you believe his account, it under cuts one of the so-called deep state theories that maybe this missing professor who was talked about the alleged spy trying to entrap papadopoulos. obviously, that does not make any sense. you would not need to put a wire
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recording someone if they were working for the fbi. >> let me ask you of the mueller report within weeks, we are going get some version of it or congress is going to get some version of it. i think there are a lot of americans won't be satisfied with anything, that's not the complete version minus things that may have to be redacted. what does it mean to you. >> you are dealing with a lot of speculations. we are waiting for the real mueller report as to papadopoulos in prison, i showed him briefly. >> twelve days, right? >> twelve days. he said his time were easy because a lot of the other inmates were trump supporters. take a look. >> it was trump country. quite frankly i was treated excellent. >> you are saying other inmates
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were trump supporters? >> i had some street friends. >> papadopoulos claiming, asserting if you will that he thought he had secret cred from other trump supporters from inside prison. >> i guess that's the eye of the be holder, right? >> people say why talk to some of these people? we are journalists and we interview everyone who got some stake or factual information to offer. mueller thought he had some information to offer. ali, sometimes you talk to someone, i was not expecting him auditioning for a pardon. i was not expecting him to come on live tv and say prison was quote, "trump country." >> pardon, can you get a pardon this quickly after you faced a conviction? >> we reported "on "the beat" last night that papadopoulos' lawyer submitted for a pardon.
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i guess you got a little bit delay delayed. >> i am glad you are able to fit me in. >> he says better late than never but never late than better, they tell me time is money, we'll spend it together. >> it is never unscheduled but like katy tur always on time. never on schedule, always on time. >> ari melber. >> i can drop my mic or i can give it to you. >> it is always a mic drop. >> ari, one of them. he got eric holder and lester holt is sitting down with james comey since the conclusion of the mueller report. you can watch that exclusive interview tonight, nbc's "nightly news" with lester holt. thank you for watching "velshi &
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ruhle" and ari melber. katy tur is right now ready. >> velshi and ruhle and melber. >> i like your papadopoulos' interview. >> i think it is interesting. >> his view of what he saw inside. >> yeah. super interesting and good job with that, ari, yeah -- i can't wait to see holder tonight. he is also interesting. i am sure he has a lot of opinions about the mueller investigation and how it ended and how he would have dealt with it if he was still ag. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington. where if you like your healthcare, donald trump does not wou

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