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way that he would have had an executive summary and conclusions on his own which would not have contained classified information and he would have as a function of writing the report sequester all the information from the grand jury or things that involve methods and national security so the fact this report isn't out yet is a sham. >> it is a sham. attorney general barr is looking worse with every day that passes by. he's trying to drag his feet. he's trying to ab instruct tobs mueller report in going through. we're going to see it tend. it's going to look so bad for donald trump. it's going to look so bad for barr. it's going to look so bad for all of the defenders. release the report. be transparent. you said you were going to. please, don't lie about this too. >> yeah. okay. we're still waiting for the mueller report. that does it for us this
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morning. chris jansing picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you so much. hello there. i'm chris jansing. full steam ahead. democrats ready to get mueller to come before congress if they don't get that full accounting of his report. and in new interviews, president trump and james comey with very different versions of just how the feds put that report together. >> you had dirty cops and people that are bad fbi folks. they're incredible people. but at the top they were not clean to put it mildly. >> the fbi is not corrupt, not a nest of vipers and spies but an honest group of people trying to find out what is true. >> and the president is not afraid environmenter to take a controversial stand is a bit cagey on harden. >> i don't want to talk about pardons now. many, many people were hurt. incredibly hurt by this whole scam. it's just a scam.
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>> plus a 2020 contender not willing to accept second place. how stacy abrams has blown a hole in the theory she could be joe biden's running mate in 2020. we begin today with president trump and the never ending search for a winning issue and for 24 hours he believed he had it. a seemingly unequivocal victory the way he put it by bob mueller and bill barr. but now he may be realizing it's not over yet. with new testimony, potential subpoena ands the release of mueller's findings still to come, the landscape doesn't look to unequivocal this morning. the president is casting around for more political winds, even as we speak maybe it's health care, maybe it's his new threat to close the southern border. i have lots to talk about and grate team to help me break it down. but first, president trump is busy on twitter all morning firing off an erratic series of opinions including pressuring opec over the price of oil,
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getting the fbi involved in the jussie smollett case and asking for adam schiff tore banned from congress. all that in two hours. absent, anything resemiconductor bling a victory lap caughting the mueller report. the issue 72 hours ago seemed like best thing that happened to president trump in months. so what changed? for one thing, democrats made it clear they're going full bore after the mueller report and major players which means there's at least a potential for more political wits to the president. on wednesday, house judiciary chairman said democrats are pressing ahead despite the fact that the attorney general says he will not meet the committee's tuesday deadline to give them the report and won't say how much he'll ultimately hand over. >> i am very concerned that it is apparent that the department will not meet the april 2nd
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deadline. i asked whether he can commit that full report and the unredacted report would be provided to congress and to the american people. and he wouldn't commit to that. he wouldn't make a commitment to that. >> democrats aren't giving up, they're firing up. multiple house democrats including majority leader steny hoyer have said they would consider a subpoena to get the report if barr isn't more forthcoming. and that's not all. while chairman nad letter said barr committed to testifying before the house, there are growing calls to bring bob muler to the hill as well. intelligence committee chairman adam schiff suggests they'll subpoena him if necessary. >> he has to come and testify. at what point that takes place, whether that is before or after we get the report or the underlying evidence may depend on how much bill barr stalls in providing that report to the public. but at the end of the day, yes,
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i think both the congress and the american people are going to want to hear from bob mueller. >> all this comes as president trump and former fbi director james comey are sharing their views of the report and how it reflects on the fbi. but as can you imagine, they're coming at it from completely different directions. >> it establishes, i hope, to all people no matter where they are in the spectrum that the fbi is not corrupt, not a nest of vipers and spies but an honest group of people trying to find out what is true. >> you have dirty cops. you had people that are bad fbi folks. they're incredible people but at the top they were not clean to put it mildly. and what they did to our country was a terrible, terrible thing. >> what a day. i want to bring in my panel. brian bennett for "time" magazine, greg brower, former u.s. attorney that worked under comey, doug burns, a former
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federal prosecutor, amy karns, senior white house correspondence and mike peska. all right, amy, how tough it is going to be to get this report? barr's version of a full report might just abe little different than what the democrats want. >> yeah. i definitely think that. that's why you're seeing everyone sort of trying to get it and all the committees trying to get their hands on it because i think, you know, what has been indicated as that is there is going to be so much redacted in the report. they're going to do anything possible to get their hands on the full report. that's why they're going to bring in the comey and mueller, they're going to subpoena them to find out exactly what is in there. >> yeah. without a doubt, the most hotly debated pieces of the report is mueller not making a decision on obstruction. so that is question number one for congress when they get him there. what do you want to hear from
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bill barr? >> well, there was always going to be an intense interest on the part of congress to see the complete report. sunday's letter for the ag only created more confusion and has amplified the desire and the part of congress to seat details. the letter is confusing for two reasons. one, it suggests and it's not clear but it suggests that the special counsel did not make the final call on the obstruction issue and instead punted as we've been saying to the attorney general. so that doesn't quite make sense. and then secondly, what also doesn't make sense is that if the special counsel is going to punt any issue to one of the political appointees and the attorney general, why the obstruction issue which is something the attorney general had been criticized for because of a memo he wrote last year? so there is a lot of explaining to do. it's going to take i think a hearing and including the ag and deputy attorney general and the special counsel and a production
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of the report. >> yeah. and doug, beyond that, because we know barr has already said apparently to us, i'll come and answer your questions. but how key is it to hear from bob mueller directly? >> well, that's going to be a legal dustup. i'm not sure how that's going to play out. the attornegeneral, bill barr said he'll go in so that will happen. the person with special counsel and not so sure -- >> does it work for barr? >> no, now that the special investigation wrapped up, the point that greg made just to repeat, the key thing is after having made the decision with respect to collusion, they then say in the letter we're not -- the special counsel didn't engage in the normal doj analysis on this issue which is confusing. so they need to drill down as greg said on that. >> in the new cover store yishgs it's abo sorry, it story, it's how he beat the mueller investigation. he moved on to the southern border. he is even talking about jussie smollett. what is your assessment?
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by the way, amazing cover there. what is your assessment of why that is happening? if you have a winning hand yshgs would y , why would you fold? >> he feels like the mueller investigation wrapped up. and, of course, we're reliant on barr and barr's description for. that we know there are not any more indictments coming out of mueller's office that work is done. so the president is trying to bring up other issues that he thinks are going to be winning issues for him, of course, health care. you can argue that is not waning issue. democrats are happy to be talking about health care. they think that resonates with their voters. we have to see how the president plays this out and what he decides to do now that this sort of things are hanging over his head for so long has been removed. we'll have to see how that plays out with what detailed information is in the mueller report. closed up shop and there are not
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any more indictments coming out of the office. >> all the tweets this morning, here's a laundry list of what i'm going to do that i feel i have the wind at my back. but one that stuck out to me, i don't want to go through all of them is the adam schiff tweet, if you lie and you're a politician, you should resign. i mean, we're watching the fact checker. he found 9,000 plus instances of this president lying or misleading. >> yeah. he has almost 5,000. he vets every single word. he is fantastic of "the toronto star." just a couple things -- and the trump re-election campaign put out a list of elected officials who came on this network and other places and said absolutely factual thing normally with the phrase but we have to see what the special counsel finds and they say don't invite them back. vet them. it's just anti-american. i'll say i see no reason -- i mean if i had to play this out
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from the serious standpoint, a large portion of the mueller report has to come out. because mueller knows what is in the report. and he will talk before congress, barr know that's mueller will talk before congress. it's in mueller's interest no the to give away state secrets or talk about the grand jury. but he wants to say what he found. barr knows that. therefore, barr is going to at least be motivated to disclose the vast majority of the mueller report except maybe fine details about national security. i would think that has to be how it happens. >> craig, last night we saw the president doing something that he has done before. and, you know, to your point about the relekt campaign sending out this note saying here's are the people you shouldn't have on air anymore, he tick tocked through an enemies list. >> comey who's a terrible guy.
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comey and mccabe and page and all of these people, they've admitted in testimony that there was no crime. brennan lied. many of these people lied to congress. i think brennan is a sick person. i really do. i believe there is something wrong with him. schiff is a bad guy. he knew he was lying. he's not a dummy. i heard they should force him off the committee. he should be forced out of office. >> when richard nixon came out, people were just, you know, stunned. and i pulled this line out of it. it said how we can use the available federal machinery to through our political enemies, what a difference this presidency makes. he is not -- he doesn't have some secret list somewhere. he can talk about it very openly. >> yeah. it's another bizarre series of
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comments by the president. i think most observers would say what the president is saying is absolutely not true. but you don't have to believe most observers. i think if the president simply asked his own attorney general bill barr and his own deputy attorney general, his own fbi director chris ray, i think each of them would say that none of what he is saying about the fbi, about jim comey, about anyone else is accurate. and so it's just another bizarre series of comments. i would also, let me say if i could, chris, real quickly, i would respectfully disagree that the sword is removed from over the president's head. there are two big things to watch going forward that could create significant liability for the president. one is the other investigation that's are still pending in the southern district of new york, the case brought by the manhattan district attorney and others. and the second issue, of course,
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is that the mueller report when we finally do see it could be a very, very detailed indictment not in the classic legal sense but in terms of accusations of misconduct against the president that is very, very damaging to the president. until we see that, it would be wise for the president and his supporters to not spike the football in the end zone. >> well, brian, thank you so much. everybody, appreciate it. many of you coming back as we continue to talk about so many things this morning including that new reporting that the highest ranking member yet of the trump administration was fighting hard not to kill obama care. and it might be the least likely person you'd expect. plus, brand new numbers just out this morning on the 2020 democratic race to replace trump. one presidential candidate is making a big move in the polls. but first, stephen colbert trying to make sensest president's quick pivot from celebrating the report to
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new confusion over an old fight. we don't know exactly where the president stands on health care. what do we know? well, the white house made it abundantly clear they want to throw out the entire affordable care act. but then last night the president said he supports a signature part of the health care law. so here's the problem we've been talking about. there is no republican plan on the table. and this morning we learned that there was even more infighting about all this than previously reported. vice president mike pence always one of the president's supporters opposed a full repeal right now. at the "new york times," pence is worried about the political
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ramifications of moving ahead without a strategy or a plan to handle the millions who could be left uninsured if this succeeded. kristen welker joins me from the white house. good to see you. what went on behind the scenes? what do we know about this? >> always good to see you, chris. we know the vice president and others, the white house counsel had concerns about the legal ramifications of this. as you point out, the vice president deeply concerned about whether they would be able to come up with a viable replacement. because there were so many components to obama care. because pre-existing conditions is such a popular thing. and to those are the concerns that were voiced. they described them what was a meeting on monday as an exchange of ideas and differences. but the acting chief of staff very much in favor of this vat ji and so was president trump. president trump feeling embolden in the wake of the mueller report. wanted to pursue what was a
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critical campaign promise to repeal and replace obama care. but that really is where it begins and ends. there's no indication that there is a real replacement that they are able to put on the table. now we know there are discussions behind the scenes. but here's the big problem for the white house and for republicans more broadly. of course, the house is led by the democrats right now. and so how would they get this through both chambers? that's the big question mark. >> yeah. but you have to have a plan before you have a plan to put it tlour. kristen welker, always good to see you. amy and mike are back with me. one theory is that president was simply trying to fulfill a campaign promise. flou now there is all that backlash. what is your reporting? >> yeah. i spoke to a couple people who think that he is too dug in right now and can't go back. he can't backtrack and walk this back. so he is trying to kind of push this forward. but you have all the people on the hill going, what is he
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doing? you know, was he not with us in november when we took a hit? the party took a hit? >> the vice president, again, an ardent supporter, he has come out -- he came out behind the scenes and said, mr. president, this is a bad idea. kevin mccarthy is reporting, made a phone call to the president and said, mr. president, this makes no sense. but there is dust on the hand of the president. what do you do with it? >> it's a tough position to be in. and he clearly doesn't game out what happens after the second thing leaves his mounth. it seems like the slogans like and mexico will pay for it are the fine details. they're not. they're just the second part of the sentence. and no one has thought -- at least he hasn't thought out how they're going o come into being. there has never been a replacement part of repeal and replace.
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that was abundantly clear. and mike pennsylvania who is not a dummy and none of the other guys actually understand reality and can read reality and know what is good politics and good policy. and they know that having no policy and getting exposed about having no policy is bad politics. but i think the president just knows slogans. >> there is a misunderstanding, amy, about the fact that these issues affect people on a bipartisan basis. health care affects everybody. taking away money from special olympics people probably not the best idea. >> right. >> to my point, where is the follow up? where is the thought beyond that? >> you know, if he actually tailored it to prescription drug costs or something that involved the pricing of -- of health care -- >> or even make a case to republicans about the free market. >> exactly. >> that's who the party used to be. >> exactly.
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and so i think that is where people are saying, you know if, you're going to do this, do this. because that hurt us really badly. you know, repealing and replacing and all of that was not a good idea in november. and you know, coming in 2020, a very pivotal election for everybody, no one wants to be talking about that right now. >> i think the best politicians don't just have wins but they understand when they're dealt a losing hand and they know how to move on. the bad politicians dig in. i think in this city in michael bloomberg, he had great policies that passed. every once in a while he'd get defeated on building the west side yards or bringing the olympics n he moved on. he kept accomplishing things. >> yeah. >> and donald trump doesn't -- he has a few accomplishments but when something doesn't work, he keeps digging in and pointing to it even when it's clear it's only going to hurt him. >> there is another interesting thing. "the washington post" adds detail about the intrigue that went on behind the scenes. and it's about the acting chief of staff getting the president's ear. the acting chief of staff also
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sought to frame the long held views in a way that won't undermine the president. to u to use his prom imti to power that echo the priorities during a congressional career spent more in shouting from the sidelines than in rooms where the deals were made. he is building himself a nice power base there. and remember, being the last person, amy, to have the president's ear sometimes is a very successful strategy. >> yes. definitely. i think that's what he's trying to do here. it's interesting to see what they're going to have -- what he's going to end up doing and how they move forward here. i think right now the white house doesn't really have an agenda. and that's the problem. that's why you're seeing everyone confused on the hill. you usually get your instruction from the white house. they don't know where he's going. they don't know what he's doing. i think he may have to step in and kind of steer the ship a little bit. >> all right. amy, mike you're staying us with.
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big questions about the dropped charges against jussie smollett and they do come courtesy of the president. he tweeted a few hours ago that the fbi and doj would "review the outrageous jussie smollett case." he was accused of fabricating a hate trcrime and then they dropd the charges. all that is sealed. so far the doj not commenting on the president's tweet or whether he let them know before he tweeted it out and said on the "today" show that legal team is not worried about a federal review. and up next, former trump aide dishing details about the president's response to that infamous trump tower meeting. and the president being uncharacteristically coy but still won't rule out possible pardons. l won't rule out possib pardons.
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. a newly empowered president on a victory lap. later today, a rally in michigan last night a 45 minute interview on fox. but trump isn't sticking to topics. he didn't rule out pardon for the allies caught up in the mueller investigation. >> when you mention general
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flynn, he was a man who had a -- an incredible record in the military. you see what happened to him. the fbi said he wasn't lying as i understand it and the mueller group said he was lying. you no he what he's gone through and what so many others have gone through. it's a very, very sad thing. i don't want to talk about pardons now. i can say it's so sad on so many levels. >> my panel is back with me. >> these are political actions on process crimes towards policy that president himself was advocating. so, you know, that's the pardon that scooter libby got, bill clinton gave out such pardons. and it's certainly within the president's per view, the constitution essentially gets extended the devine right of
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kings says the presidents for any reason give a pardon. not only wouldn't be unconstitutional, we always talk about breaking of norms. i think with the sum of these, like pop dop lus, it's not that breaking of a norm except to do it in the middle of the tournament. >> it may give folks another chance to add to what has become a mini library of books about what has happened inside trump land, right? and there is a fascinating podcast. he was talking to abc and he said the president's team was reckless in the public response to that trump tower meeting tachlt a listen. >> the idea that a 20 something press aide would put the president of the united states on the phone to talk about a federal criminal investigation without his attorneys on the phone and that the president wasn't aware of it was just astounding to me.
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>> he had a good line, amy, our friend at the "washington post" said the overal impressions of the interview was that the administration was simply in over its head. that was back then. is there any sign that based on what we have seen in the last week or two that they're better off now than when that went down? >> that's the problem here. of that's what you're hearing and why you're hearing screaming from capitol hill. there is no real agenda and no real plan. previous white house that's i covered and you no he this, chris, you know, there is a strategy. there is a communication director who is very, very, you know, likes to kind of break things down to the detail about what the president should be doing every single day. never mind just throwing someone on the phone. but things are orchestrated well in advance. thing goes according to a plan. and they -- >> when you go into the office of communications director or the press secretary, they're on the same page. >> yeah. >> they all are. i mean, everyone knows and people know not to leak. people know that you have to stick according to the plan bit
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by bit, point by point and that has no the happened during this administration. >> you wonder how much more of this we can expect. the mueller report is done. we haven't seen it yet. there is going to be so much more here on the background of how this all came to be. >> right. but i think that it would be -- i think that it would be a danger for a citizen and members of the media to think and i thought this all along this is going to be the deliverance from donald trump. >> it's not. >> i think not only is it not, i think that i wanted robert mueller to find out everything he could find out because we deserve the truth. but if people think that there is a get out of jail free card from the political process, there isn't. and this whole, it seems to me that all the facts are lining up. that there is going to be an election and that will be the time for reckonning. and so price this all in. everyone should be invested and involved and informed about what's going on. and then if you wish to remove
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the president, it's not going become from this. it's not going to come from an outside source. it is because people go to the polls and ultimately i think that's healthier for democracy and caveat saying that right now you can look at the economy and other factors. it seems like he gets a decent shot to get re-election. these are the real stakes, not will will fuel mueller report come out. >> i'm curious how worried they are within the white house about what is in this full report? or are they just saying they're confident that what bill barr put in that four page letter is where it's going to lie for 2020. >> they were doing a bit of a happy dance initially on this. you know, they got what they wanted. >> exclusion is the big phrase. they feel like they won there. i think they are worried and on some level because, you know, this is 700 or so page report. that's what people are saying. there's a lot of detail that might be in there. and you have to worry about it
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if you're in that white house zbhchlt normally you say you're worried because it will be a distraction. as you just said last segment, he seems not to have an aagenda yachlt maybe this is his agenda. he at least thinks that is to his benefit. he's good at a fight. so maybe, i don't know if the strategists agree, but if all that happens is i keep fighting with people and they can't prove collusion, that's better for me. >> all right. mike, amy, up next, moments ago fireworks on the hill. a high ranking republican on the house intelligence committee called on adam schiff to resign. . nice tip. i'll give you two bucks for the chair. two?! that's a victorian antique! all right, how much for the recliner, then? wait wait... how did that get out here? that is definitely not for sale! is this a yard sale? if it's in the yard then it's... for sale. oh, here we go. geico. it's easy to switch and save on homeowners and renters insurance.
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right now on capitol hill, huge fireworks from republicans on the house intelligence committee. it happened just a couple minutes ago. congressman mike conway calling on the democratic chair of that committee adam schiff to resign. >> willingness to continue to promote a false narrative is alarming. the findings refute your past and present assertions and exposed you as having abused your position to knowingly promote false information adding -- your actions both past and present are inkpatable with your duty as chairman of this committee this in the house of representatives has the obligation and authority to provide effective oversight of the u.s. intelligence community. as such, we have no faith in your ability to discharge duties and command persist went your
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responsibility and urge immediate resignation as chairman of the committee. >> joining me now, msnbc terrorism analyst and author of the plot to destroy democracy. also ambassador chris hill. diplomacy expert and contributor. amy and mike still with me. i understand we were on the air. you were actually hearing this, what was going on in the intel committee. this is supposed to be about russia which is in both of your wheel houses, obviously. what the heck went on there? >> well, the hearing that is being carried out right now is a hearing on russian counter intelligence operations during the 2016 election and whether they continue in the united states. adam schiff said they're not here to determine whether americans committed a conspiracy with russia but whether russian intelligence was carrying out active operations and u.s. intelligence was countering
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those. there were fireworks thrown, that's for sure. adam schiff came back and punched just as hard back at senator conway as senator conway's comments were. >> ambassador, how did you read this? here we are, we're it in middle of this hearing. and, you know, a lot of people want to know what is going to happen now. are we in any better shape with this election than we were with what happened in 2016. it is brought back to the politics. it is brought back, let's remember, the russia investigation. let me get your take on what you just heard. >> i thought the republicans chose the moment to attack congressman schiff based on the idea that the conclusions of the mueller report were that they didn't have a basis to go ahead with a case against the president. i think schiff really hit back and what i found rivoting counter punch. we have not got to the witnesses
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on the essential question, what is russia up to and what are we doing to counter this? and for all the statements by the republicans, they were so far off base on the purpose of the hearing. i think they took it as an occasion to go after schiff. you have the impression that president asked them to do that. about it they are far afield from what they were supposed to be doing that is looking at the question of russia and the influences and efforts against the american democracy. >> we're going to get back. i want to go back and talk a little bit more about the whole idea of election security which is what this is supposed to be. in that interview on fox last night, here's what the president is he had about that. >> we are putting very strong safeguards in. we're having many -- this sounds old fashioned, but the best pack upa paper backup, no the a computer backup. and we have many paper backups
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just in case there is a problem. something which they didn't have before. but we are being very vigilant and working very hard. and we have tremendous systems in place. >> malcolm, i want you to respond to fact check that last line. we have tremendous stuystems in place. >> we don't have tremendous systems in place. all election security falls on to each individual state swrechlt this problem in 2016. and believe me, no one would love more to have a paper backup than myself. that would give us a free and fair election that you could actually recount with a physical device. they made this point at the beginning of his statement on the panel. there is an ideological war being waged here. and putin abuses all of the
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instruments of the intelligence state to corrupt our democracy through our own free speech. and that is where russia made dramatic end roads into the 2016 election. they have the mindset of the american public. one-third of them will believe more from russia than they will anybody else. >> and presumably we'll hear more about. that but, look, conway knew that he was going to take the attention off of that. everything you just said. he was going to put it on adam schiff. here was schiff's response to the call for him to step down. >> i don't think it's okay that during a presidential campaign mr. trump sought them to consummate a real estate deal in moscow that would make him a four tune. according to special counsel, hundreds of millions of dollars. i don't think it's okay to conceal it from the public. i don't think it's okay that he advocated a new and more favorable policy towards the russians even as he was seeking the russians' help, the
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kremlin's help to make money. i don't think it's okay that his attorney lied to our committee. there is a different word for that than collusion and it's called compromise. that is the subject of o you are hearing today. >> okay. so that was adam schiff. look, the republicans tried to make the target of the 2018 campaign nancy pelosi it failed miserably. they've gone after aoc. that doesn't seem to be getting a lot of traction. now adam schiff is the target. >> i'm sure they're going to go after jerry nadler too. when you politicize this, it's a shameful thing. then the precedent is -- there seems to be very legitimate questions. let's look at the questions in a forthright and above bored way. the questions, at least some of them turned out not to have been the worst case scenario. so what is the consequence? everyone asking to look at the question needs to resign, step
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down, it seems to me a terrible way to run a democracy. >> in the time we have left, i want to switch. ki i c can't let you go without asking what is going on across the pond. teresa may with the brexit thing putting a career on the line. she offered to resign if the deal is approved. i mean, give m believe it or no calmer on this side of the pond. the parliament just looked at, you know, eight different outcomes from brexit and essentially je essentially rejected them all. so it's truly a mess. and, you know, for the world -- one of the world's oldest democracies, they really don't know where to go with this. the europeans, of course, the european union gave them a little extra time and into april and the brits are really not
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capable of coming up with something that would suggest they're going to use it. i mean oufously, they need to, you know, they feel they need to get out of brexit but do it with a deal that leaves them in the position of norway and canada. and they can't seem to get there. so there are a lot of problems. >> you make a good point when you make that comparison. like here, like the stock market, the economy seems to have built into it dealing with the chaos. but over there, the financial implications, the implications for democracy huge. ambassador chris hill, always great to have you. malcolm as well. my panel is going to come back. up next we'll talk about all that speculation about a biden-abrams ticket. it got shot down with a single sentence. you don't run for second place. oh!
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primary. >> political reporter jonathan allen and my panel amy and mike are back with me. what do you guys think of her answer? >> she had to say something. everyone was waiting for it. but what's happened is, i think people have floated the idea of biden announcing a running mate very early, and i think the people around him were open to it. they were open to who might fill those shoes. who might fit into that category. and so they were hearing these ideas. and one name they often heard was stacey abrams and that's -- >> the thing about the vice presidency is i think it gets talked about too much. people don't vote for vice president but you had, in terms of voting for president, jonathan allen, you had the tweet of the day. so elizabeth warren headed to iowa this weekend. out with another policy proposal to break up big agriculture that she says is choking family farms. here's what you wrote. every day i get e-mails from candidates that are like candidate x is headed to state y to talk to z voters about issues of importance to the z
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community. and an e-mail from the warren campaign is like, here's how warren will solve x problem with y dollars from z accounts. amy klobuchar out with a trillion-dollar infrastructure proposal. my question is, do you win by focussing on policy? do you win by having a winning personality, or in the trump era now, we know he's got a personality, do you have to have both? >> well, i think the short answer is probably up to both. democratic voters want somebody who can beat donald trump. the problem they don't all agree on what that is or who that is. but i do think that if you want to have good politics it has to be informed by good policy. if you want good policy it has to be informed by good politics. what we've seen so far is a lot of women candidates are working hard on policy. some of them have been getting the politics better than others. what we've seen is the male candidates a lot more running on character issues. a lot more running on
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personality. a little of the policy stuff. bernie sanders who staked his career on the substance of policy, none of it is as deep as what we're seeing from elizabeth warren who essentially has a glass/steagall plan for pretty much every single sector of america. >> in our last 30 seconds, there was this interesting quinn ipac poll. they say it's morimportant for a candidate to be a great leader versus 36% who say more important for a cand dayligidat have great policy ideas. jonathan, is that beto o'rourke jumping on tables while he talks about policy? >> look, you have to have a little bit of both. you have to be exciting, someone who is interesting, be able to lead people, no doubt. it can't just be about generating policy ideas. and we're seeing that in the polling. but you have to have a little bit of both in order to be able to talk effectively to voters. >> jonathan allen if you aren't following his twitter feed, you
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and that wraps up this hour. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. coming up, more news with hallie jackson. >> chris, thank you. i'm hallie jackson in washington where we have new battle lines
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in a familiar flight. the president previews his next 20 months and how he plans to use the mueller report to his advantage. going after the man he fired as fbi director. we're sharing a new piece of our exclusive interview with james comey and where he thinks this goes next. >> is this a case of question asked, question answered on the issue of collusion? is this over? >> our lester holt joins us live with more of that sit-down. plus, another investigation on capitol hill. not involving putin but paychecks and the elusive tax returns the president has never shared. the oversight chairman now wants a decade of financial records with one member of that committee here in just a minute. plus, that news breaking on jussie smollett. the feds reviewing the dropped case. but our pete williams has a context check on how big a deal this is or is not in a story that has captivated the country. we've got our team here covering all of it this morning. and on top of all of that, there's a ton happening on the


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