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characterizes the breaking news we have out of baltimore, maryland. pleading guilt on stealing a huge trove of classified documents. bring us up to speed. who is this guy, harold martin, what do we know about him and what he has done. >> he was a government contractor that worked for more than 20 years and he was most recently assigned to the national security agency in maryland. he is from maryland, his name is harold martin, and authorities discovered in 2017 that he had taken an enormous number of documents home and staffed them in his house, car, and storage shed in printed form and digital form, but they said the total amount of more than half a million documents, easily dwarfing the number that edward snowden stole when he was also
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an nsa government contractor. the question is what he was doing with them. we have never gotten a very clear answer to that. in the initial suspicion in the part of the fbi, the nsa, and the rest of the intelligence community is that he must have been a spy, but no intelligence charges were charged against him. he is only charged with illegally taking and storing classified documents, but the government found extremely sensitive material, the names of covert officials, overt operatives serving overseas. some extremely sensitive government eaves dropping. we'll see if he brapleads guiltt 3:00. his lawyer says he thinks that martin will plead, and then we will hear what the government says what they think they did with this material.
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at one point they thought maybe he was just a world class pack rat and was keeping all of this at home, but they say it is more than that, so we'll have to see what they say he finally did with this material. >> is the crime the same regardless of whether or not you had a motivation to do it? say he was a world class pack rat, are you allowed to keep in in your house thing that's are supposed to be on government computers in your garage. >> no, that is undoubtedly a crime. that will be the minimum. the question is what did he do with it after he got it home, did he give it to anyone else. that could be a crime, espionage, or anyone else as well. did he just hand it will carelessly? no matter what if it got out of government control it's a serious problem. >> come back to us when we have a update on whether or not he ends up pleading, pete williams
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for us in washington. the trump administration chose fox news contributor morgan ortega to be the new state department spokeswoman. she would replace former fox news anchor heather bauer. ortegas was an intelligence analyst for the treasury department under president ba obama. joining me now is josh letterman. >> we have been waiting to see who the administration was going to pick for this role ever since the administration. there is a new person, morgan orte ortegas now the latest person
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that will be joining the trump administration, joining a long list of others including bill shine, leah gabrielle, and heather nowerd. but she has experience in counter insurgency, finance, and he have be able to talk about some of the issues that come up at the state department. >> so heather was the spokesperson, then she became the under secretary. then she became the nominee for united nations ambassador. there was never an announcement that she wasn't the undersecretary. she was but i guess we just didn't know it, was it not likely she would return to her job at state? >> there was musical chairs at
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the state department. and it was fired the same day that tillerson was fired, and trump tweeted that he was picking her for the u.n. job, but he never sent that nomination to the senate, so as far as the he will g-- he willes it was never determined. and adam schiff with a message toe congress. the 2016 election is grounds for investigation. on the efforts to interfere in the u.s. elections, congressman schiff was confronted by members
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of the committee to demand that he relinquish his approach as president. >> and we urge your immediate resignation as chairman of the committee. your willingness to promote a false narrative is alarming. >> my colleagues may think it is okay that the russians offered dirt on a presidential candidate sdmash. >> that is a campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer inform to an russian oligarch, that he called on russia to hack e-mails if they were listening, that the president's son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communications with the russians. you might say that is okay, you might say that is what you need
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to do to win, but i don't think is okay. >> okay, behind all of that underlying political warfare is william barr's four page summary. we don't know what is in the report. we have not seen it, but mueller's report is more than 300 pages long according to a justice department official. william barr submitted his four-page summary to congress. here is why it set off intense debate. barr's summary refevealed the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign kor ncoordinates with russia, but they left unresolved if the president's actions or intent obstruction. that is as plain as the hair not on my head and the president denies that to be true, and barr, a trump appointed deputy
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attorney general made a decision to conclude that the evidence "is not sufficient to establish that the president obstructed justice largely because the underlying crime of conspiracy was not proven." the summary said that special council states that while the report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. something else you would not know if your only source of news is his twitter feed. with all of these question there's are calls out there to release the full report so people can actually understand what it has concluded. with the latest from gill, joining me now is jeff menbent. -- ben net. we're hearing a lot of criticism from both sides about this. what is to happen next? >> ali all day i have been
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trying to avoid the sports cliches about spiking the football, or taking a victory lap, they are seizing on bill barr's summary in the mueller report finding no evidence of a conspiracy between president trump, members of his campaign, and russia and they're using that as a green light to settle scores into to put this into historical contest, president reagan was all too happy to drop that quickly and move on. he moved on to things about nuclear arms and the solviets. president clinton pivoted and worked on social security. but president trump is focused on the reprisal. it is the latest indication of how much the g.o.p. is taking their cues from president trump. so you have lindsey gram, the head of the senate judiciary committee, calling for an investigation of the
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investigators. he wants to know how the focus on collusion came into question, and here earlier you had the republican side calling on adam schiff there has you pointed to ready to resign. he told chuck todd there was evidence of collusion. they say that has not and will not preside. there s that trump tower meeting, jared kushner looking for a back channel to the rush sh -- russians. adam schiff is not going near, but their focus gives them a chance to counter program a little bit. >> if feels like 14 years ago devin nunes was the chair of that committee. i don't remember those
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republican committee members quali qualitying for his resignation. jared kushner was in the meeting with the senate intelligence committee, do we know what that was about, jeff? >> we have not heard from kushner's attorney or spokesperson, but here is what is significant today. he met with them in 2017 but he only met with committee staffers, today he met with the staffers themselves. that means they're close to wrapping up their investigation, and there was several investigations into the russian investigation. the mueller report which is different, the mueller investigation, has of course wrapped up, al ieri. >> jeff bennett, thank you, busy day for him. i want to bring in liz holtsman.
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author of "case for impeaching trump." also joining us is a former federal prosecutor that worked with robert mueller, liz, what was going on in the house intel compete there with the folks calling for kevin nunes's resz ig nati -- resignation. >> you mean chschiff's resignation? >> yes, sorry. >> it is an effort, on the part of the republicans in congress in trying to obstruct, i don't know what other word to use, impede, impair, andstime trying to get to the bottom of it. anything to distraction attention from the basic kpe of what did president trump know,
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when did he know it, and what did he do with regard to russia and with regard to obstruction of justice charges, and we're going to continue to see that. that's not what we saw in water gate. people finally came around to see that more important than party was the good of the country and many supported the effort to find the truth. >> int ya, let's talk about the report that attorney general william barr wrote about the report in which it said that it did not make certain remarks, the idea that there can't be an obstruction because the report was not able to conclude an under lying crime, for those of us not lawyers it doesn't really make sense. i can think of all sorts of ways to obstruct an investigation within which i'm not involved in
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an underlying crime. >> everybody would obstruct an investigation until you could not prove it and the investigation would be upside down an backwards. barr is just wrong about that p president other thing that really sticks out to me as this is a sinking in, this memo, they did not make a judgment about obstruction. i don't think is fair because we don't know why he did that. i'm sure he wrote it in the memo, she a super super super thorough writer. that was his investigation in investigating in the united states attorney's office in washington dc. i'm sure that in that 300 plus page memo, not counting exhibits, he gave explicit detail about why he made that
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decision. my personal guess is that he could not indict because of the olc memo and it had to go to the house. and barr chose not to tell us what his reasoning on mueller, he wanted to frame this for the let's see what we know for the report. >> we see that report you think we will find that mueller did what he was supposed to do under the regulations and explain his decision to prosecute or not? >> i completely agree with the point that an explanation needed to be made. i don't know if he made it or if barr is covering that up. the regulations require the special prosecutor, the special council to explain why he declined to make a prosecution. and the point was exactly to get it. okay, the president is under investigation, you're not
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prosecuting him? what's the problem? there is no burglary there? or is there a legal problem that prevents a prosecution? we don't know whether or not mueller decided not to fulfill his responsibility under the regulation, or whether or not barr is covering up the explanation that mueller gave, and that is really bad because if mueller -- there are only two conclusions that mueller could have come to about obstruction of justice. the fact did not flish a crime just as he said, we don't have the facts to establish a crime of conspiracy with regard to russia. he could have said facts don't establish a crime, or he could have said they accomplish a crime but i can't prosecute, the law prevents me. that would have been explosive,
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and the american people are entitled to know whether or not the president committed a crime for traditional standards. and we're entitled to know if the president, sitting in the white house, is someone who under normal, traditional standards, would have been found guilty of obstruction of justice. >> welcome bar is promising that more of will released within weeks. liz holtzman, thank you. cynthia oxney. after jussie smollett demands an apology from rahm emanuel and the police department. and a federal judge is blocking work requirements for people on medicaid. you're watching msnbc. n medicaid you're watching msnbc.
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just houring after rahm emanuel spoke out against jussie smollett and blaned donald trump for creating a toxic environment. >> given he has no contrition and remorse, in the memo section he can put i'm accountable for the hoax. the only reason he thought he could get away with a hate crime is because of the environment that president trump created. >> plus, he responded saying
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jussie hoed him an apology for dragging an dent man's name through the mud. >> we know the figure will be in the tens of thousands, but it could be in the hundreds of thousands when you consider it took a dozen investigators three weeks to reach their conclusion in this case. he has been charged with 16 felony counts, investigators say there is no doubt in their mind that he made up this cam to boost his profile and jussie smollett says he has been cleared on wrong doing and the battle is under way. police are saying he is guilty,
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and preparing a go kit, in case you need to get out quickly. for more information on how to be prepared and keep your family safe, visit a federal judge dealt blow to the trump administration's efforts to transform the medicaid program. the judge blocked arkansas from implementing their work requirements for medicare recipients, and for the second time the judge rejected kentucky's attempt for similar rules. they were told to consider the effect that it would have on health insurance for needy people. 36 states and washington dc expanded their medicate programs under the affordable care act approved by congress in 2010.
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the law calls for the federal government to pick up most or all of the cost associated with the plan. but they are moving to run the program. so far the trump administration approved work requirements for eight states. seven other states are seeking permission to impoese similar rules. in kentucky they provide health care for 1.2 million residents, that includes people added to the roles since the state expanded the program in 2014. kentucky is trying to implement rules that require people to put in 80 hours a month in work, volunteering, attending school, or other community engagement activities. those that enroll after would be among the most effected by the
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rules. in arkansas more than 836,000 people are enrolled in medicaid and that includes 321,000 people added to the role since the state expanded the program. last march, they approved the state's request to require recipients considered able bodied or to be labelled as noncon pliano non-compliant. that would mean they would be barred from the program for the remainder of the year. 18,000 people were kicked off of the roles last year for failing to apply. but governor hutchenson says fewer than 8,000 people have done so. leader of the economic justice working group, he was involved
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in the arkansas lawsuit. i appreciate the opportunity, thank you. >> able to work, work 80 hours a month for their medicaid? >> we already know that most of the people on medication expansion work nap is a fact, most of the remainders have a barrier to work. they're caretakers or they have a disability. pretty much everyone on the program is working or has an obstacle to work and that shows us that people are already doing the best they can with what they have which is consistent with what we know as on the ground service providers helping people day today with their legal needs. it's not about there is no actual problem with people not working. >> so it's like the welfare queen argument? >> it is based on all sorts of myths, we know that people are already working hard doing their best with what they got.
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>> they made the thargt this is about, or other states have done this and it is about trying to help people that are working to find work. >> that is a falsehood, people have a significant barrier to that. what is more is that the state did not invest in a single dime. it is meaningful job. it can help them get a significant job. they are improving their job situation. >>. >> it is something the government has been able to fund, it seems like a deliberate effort to get people off of medicaid. >> we already know that you have to be healthy in order to be
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sustain work. you have to keep your job and show up every day and medicate gives you insurance to you can go to the doctor and help you work fully and live a full like like we all think is important. there is no problems to be solved here, medicaid itself is a work support without having these frankly illegal and what arkansas is shown devastatingly to do it. >> kevin, thank you very much for your help on this. all right, coming up the department of housing and urban development charges facebook with housing discrimination, the strong message coming from ben carson after the break. plus twitter will not take down president trump's offensive tweet but it might start labelling them as much. t it migt labelling them as much
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that are newsworthy and in the legitimate public interest. that's a word salad, i'm not sure what that means but i'm sure we will see it all play out. all right, the department of housing and urban development is charging facebook with allowing advertisers to exclude users based on their race, religion, disability, and other traits from seeing specific housing ads, here is ben carson earlier today. >> they know what other sites you have been visiting, they know what apps you downloaded, what your interests are and to use this in a advertising forum on a platform where you can discriminate against people. tize advertisers can say i only want to advertise to women. it is the kind of information that most people don't know, it has been gathered around and we
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want to make sure it is not used in an inappropriate way. >> facebook says we're surprised by their decision and we have taken significant steps to prevent discrimination. we will continue to work with civil rights experts on these issues. this comes on the heels of a lawsuit that they settled last week over discriminatory ad practices. joining me now is a reporter at pro publica. >> yes, we have been covering this when my colleague decided they would act as though they were advertisers and attempt to buy ads that came very close to violating the laws they eluded to, so they set up housing, like
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a little housing company on facebook, and tried to bye ads that explicitly excluded or included different groups, including those specifically flat on their face about race, gender, family status, religion, national origin, or facebook's advertising portal didn't stop them. at the time facebook said they would fix it. a year later we decided to try again and when we decided to try again it turned out they had not really changed anything at all. we bought a number of ads that were looked into other opportunities including employment, credit, other kinds of housing and they continued to fall through. >> we're talking about ads with things that would be protected. it is a man seen you snow read by men only or by mostly
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african-americans? >> that's right if you're going to sell me a sandwich, and it's because you think i like pastrami, but the trouble is when it is housing, race, and credit. on facebook you get a little information about why an ad was targeted to you, but you don't get to see the larger picture. when i look at my facebook feed, you don't know if it excludes somebody or who else is included. i can see makeup ads, sandwich ads, i don't know who else sees that ad. >> the aclu and the stuff that
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hudd is doing. >> it seems like sweeping changes on the platform, last week and those kinds of ads for housing, employment, and credit are entirely different portals, something that is very different, and it will be far more limited. so you can't take out a housing ad based on any category other than people looking for it. they talk about something called digital red lining. so you could also target a housing ad entirely to one zip code. >> yeah, i think it is not going to let them do that, you can be within a 15 mile radius, and they say they will put up an ar
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kiez of all housing ads in your community so anyone can see them. >> good stuff, thank you for your reporting on this, we appreciate that. >> thank you, coming up the new york attorney general files charges against the family behind purdue pharma. purdue pha
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the billionaire family that owns the company that makes the painkiller oxycontin is facing charges over their role in it. there is a lawsuit against purdur manufacturing. they putt process over patient safety but down playing the risk posed by the drugs, they also expanded the lawsuit to include five other companies including four distributers. she got emotional as she talked about how this lawsuit is just the start. >> there are so many new yorkers whose lives were destroyed by this epidemic, but today i'm thinking about all of those
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family that's will never be whole again. for everyone that lost their life, for every parent who will never hold their child again. for every community that has been devastated. today we take a stand. today we say enough. >> purdue pharma and the sackler family said expanding this baseless lawsuit to include former directors of purdue is a attempt to place blame where it does not belong for a public health kreecrisis. it comes two days after they were told to pay $270 million to settle a lawsuit. they are seeking to hold them responsible for the opioid crisis. the company said the suit could drive it to file for bankruptcy protection.
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the national institute said 21 to 29% of paretients that use tm abuse them. many of you worry when we report about these things about your ability to legitimate by get op opioids, there is 38,000 overdose deaths in 2017 alone. keep in mind the sackler family is not the only one involved. endo health is also facing a lawsuit. looking at this let's talk to chris hays. he spent a lot of time covering the opioid crisis, and the response from the family is correctly suggesting this is a
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complexion public health problem. >> it is a complexion pplex pubh problem, l generally fentanyl, that was under taken in prescribing on yoipioids, and we undertreating pain in a lot of cases, and as you said that i was nodding along with you. there is a lot of people that use is safely. but half of it was dealing with the fact that we were under accounting pain has a medical fee nom n phenomenon, but every possible incentive for their product to be prescribed as much as
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possible, and they were pushing it from doctors to hospitals, to great pain and prescribe it was a part how hospitals were evaluated even in terms of federal dollars. that was something the drug companies were working hard to produce. we know in the case of oxycontin, the sacklers, there were incentives and we know 24 from the documents in the lawsuit, they knew how potent it was. at one point they discussed it being over the encounter, which is utterly insane to think about, and number three their incentives were to get as much of the drug as possible into the population. >> let's take lipitor for cholesterol or viagra for erectile dysfunction. you may be wanting as many people who suffer from the condition to get that drug as possible. what's the distinction here? where did this become criminal and abusive? >> the fact it is ripe for
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abuse. it is a highly addictive drug. the risks of addiction were known. and there was no thought to the possible abuse. and you start seeing red flags all over the place. pain clinics poppings up all over the country, the way this is dealt with by cms when it's too late. you have basic things like in west virginia, one little pharmacy that has 100 pills a month for every man, woman and child in the town. >> you knew something was wrong. >> there were all sorts of red flags. this is all legitimate medicine through the prescription system. we're not talking about heroin. we're not talking about fentanyl being snuggled in. we're talking legitimate medicine, the system is clearly being abused. the metrics are telling everyone it's being abused and the drug companies are not doing anything to turn it off >> what are you hearing from people, because i am hearing from them and you are hearing from them, because of these discussions i can't get any
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painkillers? >> i think that we don't -- we don't go back to certain parts of the battle of medicating pain in which it was ignored, few were told, particularly women were told it's all in their head. i think it's touch to do both at once. the other challenge now, and i think i real fear, is turning off the spigot if they do have addictions or chemical genessee, that withdrawing it will push them towards street drugs or heroin with fentanyl, one of the deadliest things out there. we've seen this time and time again. when the crackdown happens on the pain clinics in prescriptions is when besee a huge move to heroin. it's also when we see overdoses start to kick up quite a bit. >> we had a conversation weapon kristen gillibrand the other day in which she brought this up. i believe she thought about this. let's play that back. >> when you're suffering from the opioid crisis like they are
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in my state, your state, states all across the country, what we have to do is take on the drug manufacturers who purposely made these drugs stronger, more addictive and now that we have documents, we know they did it because they wanted record sales. >> should there be some accountability for these corporations? >> absolutely. >> is that something you would pursue from the department of justice if you're the president of the united states? >> let's take the opioid crisis. they should be prosecuted. what we now know from internal investigation. >> who should be prosecuted? >> i think what we know from the evidence that's been gleaned from what the sackler family did and how they looked at drugs as a way to make billions of dollars and making sure that the dosage was higher so they are more addictive, the way they dampened down any investigation, any transparency of accountability, that is what we have to take on. >> your thoughts on whether that is going to be something you're going to hear across the board. >> i think increasingly and partly because some of the documentation has already come out from already-existing lawsuits. i think increasingly some kind
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of accountability, not just for the sacklers. as you mentioned -- >> there's a lot more people. >> a lot more people. but accountability for big pharma, sacklers in particular, the cohort they're a part of, for the ravages. remember what happened with those tobacco lawsuits. what happened was states went to court and said you cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. you have to pay us. that settlement, which i think is the largest settlement in american history, was a huge pas port of the turning point. >> it moved the needle. >> tremendously. >> chris, thank you for this and your longtime reporting on this very serious crisis. chris hayes. tomorrow congresswoman alexandria oscasio-cortez joins chris in the bronx for a special event where they will discuss, alexandria oscasio-cortez's green new deal proposal and how she plans on getting her fellow lawmakers on board with that plan. this is really worth understanding in great detail. tomorrow, 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. after the break, a new msnbc poll has a surprising answer on
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president trump is heading to michigan tonight hoping to ramp up support for his 2020 campaign. this is his first rally since the mueller report was submitted to attorney general william barr last week, and you can expect a trump victory lap in michigan. in 2016 trump became the first republican presidential candidate to carry michigan since george w. bush in 1988.
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but in tonight's return to the state comes after democrats made big gains in the 2018 midterms, including electing the first democratic governor since 1986 and picking up two house seats. a new nbc news survey monkey poll finds that if the 2020 election were held today, americans are split. 43% think trump will win. 43% think the democratic candidate will win. 9% think a third party candidate will win. when asked who they would vote for if the election were held today, 34% of those polled said they would re-elect trump, that's standard in terms of the numbers he pulls. 29% would vote for any democrat. and 17% would select a democrat, depending on who that democrat is. mark your calendars, nbc news, msnbc and telemundo would hold the first 2020 democratic presidential debate, it will take place in miami on back-to-back nights june 26 and june 27.
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the two-night primetime event will be streamed on all nbc news digital properties. see you back here at tomorrow 1:00 p.m. eastern and 3:00 p.m. eastern. you can always find me on cerebral modsocial media, twitter, facebook, snapchat and linked-in. thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a cloud shows no signs of lifting. the mueller probe a employ for the president in public opinion. a new poll shows the majority of americans, 56%, i believe donald trump is not exonerated of collusion. and news today the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, is back on capitol hill meeting with the senate intel committee as part of its russia investigation. and the big news today about the actual mueller report, which no one outside of the barr justice department


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