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here at 8:00 p.m. eastern. industry. the question is not just what is "the rachel maddow show" starts the president's character, now. >> what is it and as a related that's clear, but whether or not this might prove to be troubling matter, why does it make them so for the president, as well. we'll have more on that, next. sl we'll have more on that, next. there are people out there cra crazy. tomorrow will be fantastic. thanks to you at home for joining us. september 9th, 1998, a wednesday, two white vans pulled up to capitol hill and what capitol hill police officers opened up the back of the vans, they started pulling out big banker-sized file boxes and hauling them into the gerald r. ford office building. and that day, that unexpected who see things others can't. arrival of vans containing big they're the ones who see a city that make those who live in it feel a little safer. banker's boxes is how their who see the efficient shape and design of the ocean's wonders as the future of aerodynamics. learned ken star finished his at dell technologies, we see it too. year's long report on clinton. he was appointed to investigate if you'd like to transform your business, talk to us.
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the white water real estate deal that to this day nobody and we'll show the world what impossible looks like... understands. ultimately, though, that when it's made real. investigation by ken star morphed into an inposition with the president over his affair with the young white house intern named monica lewinsky. that four-yearlong investigation ended with an ex pla mansion poin -- exclamation point. a 445-page long report from ken star and his investigators typed, bound and presented to congress, but those boxes and boxes and boxes pulled out of those vehicles, they were not mu multiple copies of the 445-page long ken star report. what all of those boxes contained was the report but also all the accompanying evidence that went along with the report, as well. with the most lobster dishes lobsterfesof the yearred lobster like lobster lover's dream >> tonight, the future of the and new ultimate lobsterfest surf and turf.
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>> starr aids shed no c or here. kick your antacid habit with prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. confidential light. >> tom, house leaders will move quickly to move on the starr report as much as they can. >> so what got delivered that when "the washington post" dug up financial statements from president trump for a scoop that day? i said it was white vans, of usually it was a mix of white and black and maybe blue vans. shows how much trump regularly hard to tell. anyway, i stand corrected. exaggerated assets and wealth in what all those vans brought up documents to potential investors to capitol hill, that wednesday and journalists and people he wanted to impress, on one hand afternoon september 1998 was the that was yet another example of starr report itself. more than 400 pages and 18 boxes the president telling lies about of supporting evidence including everything from audio tapes to provable things. on the other hand, though, this videotapes to transcripts of witness testimony before the isn't exactly likelyi lying abo grand jury. your hand size. they made two copies of all of is there a potential legal that material, so 36 boxes in liability for the president in producing financial statements all. 18 boxes of evidence. that materially misrepresent how they made a copy to give one much he's worth. here is how a professor from complete set of evidence and one copy of the report to the george washington university democrats and one complete set characterized it. how much would the errors impact of evidence and one copy of the an investor. report to the republicans and i should also tell you this
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they hauled all of that stuff up to congress. professor adds he's never seen a all on a wednesday afternoon. you want to know when the public got the report? documented stretched so much for friday. yeah. i mean, all the supporting accounting. evidence, all the grand jury material, that went only to congress that didn't get he said it's humanerous. disbursed to the public but the joining us is washington post report itself, 445 page was in reporter that broke this story today. great to have you with us. the public domain less than 48 thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> this feels a little bit like hours after ken starr finished with it and submitted it. some of the stuff that michael i should say more or less 48 cohen laid out in his bombshell hours. the way congress chose to testimony before congress couple release that report to the public in september 1998 was by weeks ago where he talked about using a then quite newfangled the president playing down liabilities in order to try to machine called the internet and get loans from banks or to try in 1998 really nobody knew how to reduce his insurance premiums. to download anything. that seemed like potential legal a 400-plus page document they didn't break into smaller parts jeopardy because the banking industry and insurance industry to make it an easier download was an impossible mount everest are tightly regulated and can send you to jail, which michael of an online task for the slow cohen is about to do. this reporting, though, is about dialup modem speeds we had at president trump trying to impress different sorts of the time but they did do their people. best to make it available to the so i wonder where you came evom
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public that friday after they received it only two days before on the issue this might be a legal problem for him. trying to post it online, they >> in the short term it is a crashed every server they posted legal problem. it on. in the last few weeks we've seen subpoenas that to trump's lender news organizations ultimately did get their hands on the starr report and distributed as best they could and the starr report deutsche bank and trump's insurer and document requests was published as a paper back, that is how i read it at the father or mother t time i remember. and then i showered. from the oversight committee. basically asking folks that cohen said trump influenced with these inflated statements asking but the legacy there, the to provide documents about how exactly they were influenced and precedent there, it was turned what trump told them. i don't know will this lead to around in two days after being civil charges, lawsuit, completed and submitted and there was immense public interest in the report. tens of millions of americans criminal? that's nin the future. already, we've seen this issue reportedly read that thing within a couple days of it being go from kind of an issue as you said of character or morals into a legal issue as these released. but that is apparently nowhere investigators start to dig in. near what we are doing this tile >> david, one of the things you with this report on this scandal point out is that there is in involving this president. the first paragraph from the it has now been six days since statements, there is a caveat the special counsel's report from robert mueller was that says we have not audited or
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completed and submitted and this time the trump administration reviewed the financial statement that seems like a cya forgive me appears to be in no rush whatsoever to provide anyone access to it. i mean, forget the public. statement from the account tablet saying don't blame us. u they are not even letting congress see it. after releasing a less than accountable for what's in here. is that kind of a caveat so four-page document from trump's newly appointed attorney legally significant that it general, which provides a could actually be kind of a get out of jail free card for largely but vaguely summery he numbers and documents like this that might otherwise potentially says on robert mueller's get you in trouble? >> it could. findings, now nearly a week the experts we talked to said after mueller's actual report that yes, that kind of disclaimer, it's a two-page -- was completed, the report that's how many things were wrong with these documents remains totally unseen and given according to normal accounting standards. it's a two-page disclaimer at the historical precedent for how the beginning of a 20-page statement describing all the things have been handled in the different ways that trump has past and the intensity of the divulged -- diverged from normal practices. but even at two pages it doesn't matter and the strangely vague non-specific but definitely cover all the document's flaws. that's the important thing here. supposed to be exculpatory there are other errors in the document, errors of fact, that are not disclaimed, that are not summery we've been asked to swallow, this effort by them to caveated that you wouldn't know if you were reading the whole thing you wouldn't know are keep the actual mueller report wrong. one of the ones you mentioned completely under wraps earlier is a $72 million error. trump said he had 24 more home
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indefinitely, well as of today lots to sell in california than it's showing its first cracks. he did and he said he was going to sell them at $3 million today for example we got the first credible reports about the apiece. if you look at trump and say rough size the mueller report here's a guy who's got $72 million worth of future cash flow he really doesn't have, might be. that could be a material if you squint from a distance or distinction. >> david, does it make sense to you that new york state get up close, could you tell the authorities are among the law general size of it? enforcement entities and sort of "the new york times" was first on the spot the size of the accountability entities that are mueller report story today but over the course of the day, we looking into these matters? got a bunch of different sources obviously the trump foundation and leaks saying mueller's which you did such groundbreaking work on, the trump organization headquartered in new york, president trump is report is multiple hundreds of pages of long. ultimately a justice department a resident of new york, these things mostly pertain to his time, all pertain to his time before he was president. spokesperson did confirm, yes, does it make sense that new york state would be the entity that would be pursuing this now? >> it makes sense that it's one it's over 300 pages. of the entities pursuing it. deutschebank which was one of trump's main lenders of this that's your range. minimum number is 301 and period. maximum is infinity. michael cohen said they got a lot of these flawed financial somewhere in there. statements. this particular office trump went to is down at 30 wall that of course, even that tells us nothing about the content of street. the insurance regulators and the the report and doesn't tell us new york attorney general have the minimum length of it. jurisdiction over both ends of
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the pages could be the size of a the transaction. the accountants, trump, as well postage stamp or the size of a as his insurer and his lender. bed sheet. the print could be like a >> david farenthold, reporter with the "washington post," billboard or like inscribed on pulitzer prize winner. the head of a pen. sir, thank you for being with us i don't know. it's a minimum of 301 pages. tonight. much appreciated. >> thank you. that double-sided? >> much more to come here tonight. do stay with us. e tonight. do stay with us. single spaced? we don't know. we know nothing about it. 200 outdoor and indoor allergens. but with a justice department like those from pollen, pets and dust. spokesperson confirming this one because new memories start with dusting off old ones. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. barely useful met triric about mueller report, that is showing they are trying to keep it secret. if they are confirming the thing is over 300 pages long. that doesn't tell us anything what is in it but raises further questions why thus far we are only allowed to see the less than 50 words of it that were if your moderate to severeor crohn's symptoms quoted in william barr's are holding you back, statement about it. and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough which is nuts. right? i mean, on what basis has he it may be time for a change. selected those 42 words as the only ones we're allowed to see ask your doctor about entyvio®, the only biologic developed and approved indefinitely?
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sentence starts, which means this statement about there being no criminal conspiracy established by the investigation is the back half of a sentence that starts some other way. but we're not allowed to know how that sentence starts. we're not allowed to know what else is in that sentence. i mean, literally at this point on the right and in the republican party, they are hanging the entire trump presidency on that fragment of the sentence and not letting us see. why is that? why do we only have william barr's statement about what mueller found instead of anything at all from mueller? >> i have said and i'll say again, no thank you, mr. attorney general. we do not need your interpretation show us the report and we can draw our own conclusions. we don't need you interpreting for us. that was condescending, it was arrogant and wasn't the right thing to do. you know reliable support when you have it,
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>> do you feel that the committee should still be full steam ahead on the issue of and that dependability collusion or given the is what we want to give our customers. discrepancy between the mueller at comcast, it's my job to constantly report and summery should it be on obstruction of justice? monitor our network. >> how can i say this more prevent problems, and to help provide clearly? show us the report. the most reliable service possible. show us the report. >> nancy pelosi speaking to my name is tanya, i work in the network operations center for comcast. reporters and getting more and more blunt about it with each we are working to make things passing phrase at the end, show simple, easy and awesome. us the report. this is not that hard. this is not that complicated. i can't say this any more clearly. show us the thing. i mean, it is amazing that as of tomorrow, we will be a week into the existence of the completed mueller report and they are still sitting on it trying not to release it, not to release any of it. after postponing the democratic congressional staffers today started sentencing several times so she circulating lists of previous could continue cooperating with reports into president's federal prosecutors, today the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. scandals and executive branch told a federal judge they were scandals and how long, how those ready to sentence maria butina.
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reports had been handled on maria butina's the russian national who pled guilty in capitol hill and in terms of december for running an public access. the last time there was a influence operation targeting special counsel, which is what the nra and other u.s. robert mueller is was john conservative groups. butina will now be sentenced by that federal judge on april 26th. danforth's report about waco. about a week before that we it was released publicly and should see prosecutors' then before that ken starr, his recommendation for her sentencing, which should hopefully tell us more about report was provided on a what kind of cooperation she's wednesday afternoon and released provided since she pled guilty, to the public on a friday how helpful she's been to morning. even as the grand jury material and underlying evidence was held prosecutors. that u.s. attorney's office in just within congress and not d.c. has taken on a whole bunch released to the public, the of the case that's have been public got the report congress handed off by robert mueller's office or that derive from got all the underlying evidence and it happened zip, zip before mueller's work or that are connected to the russia that, it was the independent investigation. that u.s. attorney's office in d.c. has been handling butina. counsel lawrence walsh and his also the roger stone case. report about oliver northtra sc they're also handling the manafort case now, the rick gates case, the case against konstantin kilimnik. lesser known ones henry that was they're also handling -- the mystery case of some mystery released fully to congress and released with very limited company from some mystery country that's being fined redactions to the public. there was an independent counsel $50,000 a day for not complying report into an agriculture with a mueller subpoena. secretary that was released that office may also get the flynn case or the concord
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fully to the public. it's just the mueller report they want to sit on. management case or the g.r.u. case. that u.s. attorney's office in this isn't how things like this are previously handled. d.c. is handling a huge chunk of but for this one, we're what started as mueller's work. heading -- tomorrow it will be a and trump had been planning on week and we haven't seen any of taking that u.s. attorney out of it. that office, out of that job. a few days ago here on the show a couple of weeks ago the trump we talked about the president of administration announced their the watergate report that came intention to move u.s. attorney to be known as the road map to jesse lu out of her u.s. nixon's impeachment. this is a document drawn up by attorney's job in d.c. where she's been handling all these watergate special prosecutor russia-related cases, to instead that he convened to hear bring her over to the justice department, to give her the number 3 job in the justice evidence in the watergate scandal and this one was a little bit of a special case. department, where incidentally she would not be handling any of this was purely grand jury the cases she's previously been information and a federal judge working on. she wouldn't be handling signed off on that grand jury criminal or national security matters at all. conveying the information they so we got that news in the first had collected about the president directly to congress week of march. the white house was going to and a confidential manner so move that crucial u.s. attorney out to a new job that would congress could look at that grand jury information and handily give the president the consider what it meant in terms of drawing up potential articles opportunity to put somebody else in that u.s. attorney job to of impeachment against nixon. handle all of those cases. presumably it would be like a that win it took us a long time trump child or likemebody who w to get access to the 62-page stack of grand jury material
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that did form the basis of the wants. today that fell apart, actually. impeachment articles against nixon but honestly, the jessie liu's name withdrawn for precedent still stands here consideration for that doj job. because that information on a republican in the senate nixon, that wasn't kept secret apparently objects to her nomination. and put in a vault inside we think it might be because she's not anti-abortion enough nixon's justice department where only his appointees were alo lod or something else random like that. but that effort to take her out of that u.s. attorney's job, put her at doj has come to an end to look which is what we got now. leon road map was conveyed to unexpectedly today. we don't exactly know what that congress as soon as the grand means, but watch this space. spa. jury assembled it. they asked the judge's permission, we would like to give this to congress, journal. or other child. the judge said yes and it went or their new friend. to congress that day. or your giant nephews in this case, we're not getting the mueller report but congress and their giant dad. isn't getting it, either. only trump appointees get to see it and assure us it's good news or a horse. for the president. or a horse's brother, for that matter. don't worry your pretty little heads about it. the room for eight, 9,000 lb towing ford expedition. we'll just keep this right here to ourselves. nbc news had interesting reporting on democrats plans not just to try to obtain whatever version of the mueller report
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trump's attorney general wants to allow them to see, they plan in addition to try to obtain both the mueller report and any grand jury information that william barr plans to cut out of it. also, as in the case of the starr report, they want all of the underlying evidence that led to mueller's findings. they want vans unloading boxes of evidence for them to look at. they are now siting that president of leon jaworski and 19d 94 a 1994 they can by pass them all together as jaworski and his grand jury did in 1974 to get a (danny) after a long day of hard work... ...you have to do more work? federal judge to clear the (vo) automatically sort your expenses and save over 40 hours a month. release of grand jury materials directly to the house judiciary (danny) every day you're nearly fried to a crisp, professionally! committee so that committee can (vo) you earned it, we're here to make sure you get it. on behalf of congress assess the president's behavior as a quickbooks. backing you. co-equal branch of government. you won't find relief here. congestion and pressure? think about where this is going go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritin-d.
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now. if trump's justice department while the leading allergy spray only relieves 6 symptoms, continues to try to keep the claritin-d relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. mueller report secret, and if they try to keep grand jury claritin-d relieves more. information from that report and the underlying evidence for that report secret, and the democrats and congress will go not just to fight the justice department about this, they will go to the that does it for us tonight, courts directly to go around the but i will see you an hour early justice department, to get that tomorrow night. at 8:00 p.m. eastern. material, this is going to be a because before you watch my show tomorrow we will all be watching rip roaring fight about whether and when we get to see this stuff and whether and when the chris hayes town hall with congress gets to see it, too. alexandria ocasio-cortez on the green new deal at 8:00 eastern and meanwhile, democrats are not tomorrow night. right here on msnbc. i will see you there. playing along with the white house effort and effort that now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. conservative media to declare good evening, lawrence. >> i'm -- good evening, rachel. this over based on one sentence i'm confused. so how will we see you on the fragment about the president and russia and one full sentence chris hayes show at 8:00? that barr quoted about or is this kind of one of those obstruction of justice. a full sentence incidentally in which robert mueller says the tv things where i'll be president is not exonerated on watching, you'll be watching, i'll know you're watching, we obstruction of justice. today the house intelligence committee convened an open hearing on russian intelligence
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and russian influence operations around the world and how those work. house republicans at the outset tried to sort of hijack the hearing to declare the russia scandal over to declare the president totally exonerated and in so doing, they decided to declare that they were demanding the resignation of intelligence chairman adam schiff for him having tamirity to investigate and because they are listening to white house statements, i'll guessing republican members of congress thought that this would be a big moment for them. i think they thought they would score big with their chest pounding demand today that adam schiff had to resign from the committee because the russia stuff is all fine and cleared up, everything is good. that's what they have been hearing from the white house and conservative media because that's what they have been hearing, i'm quite sure they were not expecting what they
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actually got from adam schiff in response and part of the way you can tell is how absolutely flabbergasted they were by what adam schiff said. you might have seen some of adam schiff's remarks today and coverage that this sort of remarkable moment happened in congress today but i -- you may not have seen how republicans responded at the end. this was incredible. two things -- no, there is three things to watch here. first, watch what schiff says, which is sort of stunning this riff. right? two, watch how the people around him at that moment respond including like his fellow democrats, at one point you'll see val demings sitting and watch to see how she reacts to what is erupting from adam schiff in the hearing room today and the third thing that you really have to see is watch republicans completely bamboozled and upset and
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sputtering with what he serves up to them. they can't believe he's saying this stuff and gosh, when you put it that way it sounds terrible and that's not what we mean. you -- stop talking about it like that. oh, gee. this was just a signal moment, i think, in this whole two-yearlong saga. this is incredible. sit down and watch this. >> we had no faith in your ability to discharge duties and consistent with your constitutional responsibility and urge immediate resignation as chairman of the committee. this let ser siter is signed by nine members of the house and committee and ask it to be entered into the record of today's hearing. >> i go back. without on junction, i'm going to turn to our witnesses who are the sub of the hearing today but as you have chosen to simply attack me consistent with the president's attacks, i do want to respond in this way.
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my colleagues may think it's okay that the russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the russian government's effort to help the trump campaign. you might think that's okay. my colleagues might think it's okay that when that was offered to the son of the president who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that the president's son did not call the fbi. he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. no, instead that son said he would love to help with the russians. you might think it's okay that he took that meeting. you might think it's okay that paul manafort, the campaign chair summed with great experience in running campaigns also took that meeting. you might think it's okay that the president's son-in-law also took that meeting. you might think it's okay that
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they concealed it from the public. you might think it's okay that their only that meeting was that the dirt they received on hillary clinton wasn't better. you might think that's okay. you might think it's okay when it was discovered a year later that then lied about that meeting and said it was about adoptions. you might think it's okay the president is reported to have helped dictate that lie. you might think that's okay. i don't. you might think it's okay that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. you might think that's okay. i don't. you might think it's okay that that campaign chairman offered polling data, campaign polling data to someone linked to russian intelligence. i don't think that's okay. you might think it's okay that
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the president himself called on russia to hack his opponent's e-mails if they were listening. you might think it's okay later that day the russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign. i don't think that's okay. you might think that it's okay that the president's son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communications with the russians through a russian diplomatic facility. i don't think that's okay. you might think it's okay that an associate of the president made direct contract with the gru through wikileaks and considered that it's considered a hostile intel jligence agency. you might think it's okay a senior campaign official was instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent.
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you might think it's okay that the national security advisor designation conferred about undermining u.s. sanctions and you might think it's okay he lied about it to the fbi. you might say that's all okay. you might say that's just what you need to do to win. but i don't think it's okay. i think it's immoral. unethical. unpatriotic and yes, i think it's corrupt. and evidence of collusion. now i have always said that the question of whether this amounts to proof of conspiracy was another matter. whether the special counsel could prove beyond a reasonable doubt the proof of that crime would be up to the special counsel and i would accept this decision and i do. he's a good and honorable man and he's a good prosecutor but i
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do not think that conduct, criminal or not is okay and the day we do think that's okay is the day we will look back and say that is the day america lost its way. and i will tell you one more thing that is of the hearing today, i don't think it's okay during a presidential campaign mr. trump sought the kremlin's help to have a real estate deal in moscow that would make him a fortune. according to the special counsel hundreds of millions of dollars and i don't think it's okay he concealed it from the public and advocating a more and favorable policy to the russians even as he was seeking the russians help, the kremlin's help to make money. i don't think it's okay his attorney lied to our committee. there is a different word for that than collusion. and it's called compromise. and that is the subject of our hearing today. mr. ambassador, i will not
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yield -- >> will you yield you made up things about all of us -- we think -- >> you can use your five minutes to speak. you attacked me in your opening statement. >> i haven't had an opportunity to respond at all etc. specispe because of what you think. >> mr. attorney, you're not recognized, ambassador mcfaul, you're recognized. >> and thus began the hearing on how russia uses its various points of leverage to compromise people around the globe including potentially people in our own government. the gentleman will not yield. and until the mueller report actually gets released, any of it i don't think anybody should expect him to yield not an inch. stay with us. o yield not an inc. stay with us larsson - "wow"] ♪ ♪ baby i'm not even in a gown ♪ and the only thing u have to say is wow ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪
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i do not think that conduct criminal or not is okay and the day we do think that's okay is the day we will look back and say that is the day america lost its way. >> the house intelligence
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committee today was an epic clash of civilizations maybe? an epic clash of partisan. it was an epic clash in which republicans demanded the resignation of the democrats for investigating what happened with russia in the 2016 campaign and democrats came back and gave them what four ten times and six times extra on sunday. about what russia did. and how important it is. joining us now is congressman jim himes of connecticut there today, sir, i really appreciate you being here tonight. thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> what was that? this was a hearing on the kremlin's use of money and intelligence in 2016 and beyond and it started off with what looked like a battle scene. >> it was remarkable. my hupulse was around 200 just watching the play back.
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the emotional energy was amazing. devin nunes with the midnight run to the white house and his activities ultimately resulting in nancy pelosi after a year and a half of antics calling on him to step down. you can tell the republicans were waiting for this moment and of course, what they did was they created a moment in which adam schiff reminded the nation that while and we're going to accept mueller for his conclusion, while the president's behavior does not rise to the level of an indi indictable conspiracy, inappropriate outrageous, every one of those actions was. it put little damper on the republican celebration. >> in terms of both where the hearing went today and with the grounds on which chairman schiff made the stand, it intere's intg to me he has been asking to you guys on the intelligence
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committee, he's been asking whether the counter intelligence probe opened by the fbi into president trump and campaign, whether that investigation has concluded along with the broader mueller investigation. do you have any further insight into that and into whether any counter intelligence findings were part of what mueller produced as his report? >> yeah, i mean, that is a really good question and it's not necessarily true that those findings or on going questions that are counter intelligence related will necessarily find their way into the report. i mean, there is three big shoes that have yet to drop. one of course is that. they one may not drop. at the end of the day if this is about compromise in a way that would be classified, that shoe might not drop. the other two, the republicans realize that the high water mark of their political experience was two hours and released because there is two other shoes to drop.
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number one, the report comes out as adam detailed in his speech the behavior that the president and his people engaged in is not going to make them look good and second car second, this is why i wonder why we see so many victory dances on the other sere id, it was apparently not clear that the president did not obstruct justice. so when we see that, and i haven't seen it, but when we see that, and when we are asking ourselves looking at actual facts and stories and saying did the president of the united states obstruct justice, a crime for which two presidents were found themselves in impeachment proceedings, that will be an ugly political situation for the president and republicans that defended him. >> that's depending on the idea that we're going to have access to the mueller report. i mean, one of the things -- i started with the show is the remarkable situation we're in now six days after mueller
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submitted his report and we still have only seen like 40 something words of it including sentence fragments that were quoted by william barr. i don't know whether or not to be confident that the trump administration is ever going to allow it to be released and i feel like the more i talked to democrats about this, people, you know, who are on -- in the house, people in the senate, people who are staffers, people who have every intention of trying to pry this report out, it's not clear to me what the levers are by which they are going to try to get this released. it crazy we haven't seen it yet and i don't know how we ultimately are going to get to the part where we do see it. >> i have a little more confidence than you do, rachel. if worse comes to worse, we will subpoena the report. part of the reason we haven't seen it so far is that unlike the clinton report which you were talking about in this case there is lots of -- i'm almost certain, there is lots of classified information that
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needs to be redacted. where it gets interesting, we had a unanimous vote and the president himself said that the report should be made available to the public. it feels to me like only lindsey graham doesn't want this report out in the public. i think eventually it becomes public. where the fight is, this white house and president is going to demand that anything that is embarrassing to him and i think that of those 300 plus pages, a lot of that will fall into the embarrassing category. they will use the tool for executive privilege to refact th -- redact that. we will find ourselves in the court. >> jim himes of connecticut, member of the house intelligence committee. thanks for being here. appreciate it. >> thanks, rachel. one of the best reporters has a very, very, very big news scoop today. that story and that reporter will join us here next.
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the letter was weird in general. but it was particularly weird given that it was supposed to be a health related document. you probably remember this, right? mr. trump has had a recent complete medical examination that showed only positive results. his blood pressure and laboratory tests were astonishingly excellent. his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary. only positive results.
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astonishingly excellent. extraordinary. this is the way it ended. this is the last line. mr. trump i can unequivocally state will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency. ever elected. we went back and checked all the kor corpses. really? did you mean that? >> doctor, phrases like astonishingly excellent seem a little over the top to some people. what do you think about that? is that the way that you write most of your medical letters? >> no, but for mr. trump i wrote that letter that way. >> that was donald trump's personal physician back in august 2016. he was trump's gastro intdoctord released this over the top a t that candidates usually fudge.
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also, it was worded really strangely. for example, that thing about all positive results. in the medical world having all positive results is not usually a good thing. if you get test results back from your physical and your doctor is like everything is positive, that's not good. but it was also just, you know, obviously weirdly exaggerated. we later learned that donald trump himself literally dictated that letter describing his health and told the doctor what to write to create the impression he was the healt healthiest, strongest person on earth and as crazy and weird as that was, that early experience gave us as americans some valuable insight into our new president's way in the world. it should probably have prepared us for "the washington post" scoop that dropped today how mr. trump did this exact same kind of thing all the time when it came to his finances. here is the lead. quote, when donald trump wanted to make a good impression on a
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lender, business partner or journalist, he sometimes sent them official looking documents called statements of financial condition. these documents sometimes ran up to 20 pages full of numbers laying out properties, deshlts and mu-- debts and net worth bu for someone trying to get a true picture, the documents were flawed and omitted properties that carried big debts and some over valued and some key numbers were wrong. the post was able to report this out because they got copies of these statements of financial condition for five different years and in those documents, you know, it's all astonishingly excellent and extraordinary and very clear lly fake. trump claimed his national golf club ever cl club in florida had 57 lots and in reality only had 31 lots available and claimed his virginia vineyard has 2,000
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acres. it only had 1200 acres. he also claims that the trump tower is 68 stories tall. it is only 58 stories tall. these are all easily fact checkable things but trump lied about these things in financial statements again and again and again, and we first learned about this as one of trump's ways of doing business last month during michael cohen's testimony before the house oversight committee he testified trump regularly used statements like this to inflate his wealth or reduce insurance premiums or get loans. that put the question squarely on the issue of legality. the question is, is this just run of the mill lying and self-ing a diezing behavior by donald trump, or is this something potentially more serious? it is one thing to lie to impress people, it's another thing to lie to impress a bank or anindust
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