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like this, uncertain the future of the companies. if they pop high, that's an indicator the market and economy is going to do well. that's animal spirits. still a chance the companies are coming in a little late. >> all right. ben, i appreciate it. thank you for that rapid round. that wraps up this hour. coming up right now more news the rally jackson. >> hey. thank you much. i am hallie jackson in washington. tgif. that's not the only four-letter word we're talking about. the president has eight letters that the fcc won't let me say previewing his campaign strategy with a raw rant on russia. the democrats, and more as we time warp into 2020. plus this developing news. devastating details reported on the deadly boeing crash. what we're learning about a possible glitch in the system. and betsy devos not under the bus in d.c. but sitting on stage with that interviewer speaking maybe now for the first time about her boss's abrupt
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about face on a decision she defended for days. we're monitoring this and talking about why the president is pulling a 180. the chairman of the special olympics tim shriver joins me live in a minute. first breaking overseas. parliament protests with british lawmakers set to vote this hour on the latest brexit deal. that decision could make or break it all. and we're going to have it live on this show. our team is covering all of this from across the country and around the world on this very busy friday. and we're keeping an eye on that stage in washington where secretary devos is speaking publicly for the first time since president trump told me that nothing would happen to federal funding for the special olympics. you can see her right there. we also want to talk about president trump, where he is, waking up in florida today. a state he needs to hold onto in 2020. along with michigan with overnight he painted himself as a vindictive victim, a little less than a week after his attorney general said robert mueller found no collusion. if you have kids in the room,
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ear muffs, please. >> the russia hoax is finally dead. total exoneration. complete vindication. the democrats have to now decide whether they will continue defrauding the public with ridiculous bullshit. >> and on that note, kelly o'donnell is in west palm beach, florida. he's going to look at lake okeechobee later. the president is pushing a preview of his 2020 strategy. this was a campaign rally and felt like one. >> and not g-rated as you pointed out. which is unusual for political lifer, but the president had his chance to engage with some of his most ardent supporters, and he tried to pull them in by recounting how grand rapids had been the final stop on his 2016 campaign. he relived the highlights of that election night which is a
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sweet taste in his mouth, and is now doing the same with the outcome of the mueller report, and going further than what we really actually publicly know about the level of vindication as he describes it. the attorney general, of course, saying no conspiracy was found, and also that there was no final judgment made on on strzok. it's the attorney general's judgment that the president did not do anything that raised to the level of a crime for on strz obstruction. it sets a narrative in zone before the full report comes out. part of what we're seeing, hallie, is the kind of style of 2020 campaigning where the president who was already known for being stuff on his opponents now prescribing new derogatory nicknames for people like adam schiff and the democratic party, the house chair of intention, and trying to put democrats on
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notice that if they come for him, he will do all of the kinds of things we saw in 2016 and while he's been in office about attacking his adversaries as he sees them. when you look at the kind of fallout politically or the glow that the white house is still in, you have to look back to someone like steve bannon who had been a chief strategist for the early phase of the president's time in office and how he is now describing how this all came out. here is steve bannon on how the president approached the investigation and what it means now. >> president trump waved executive privilege and attorney/client privilege. he put the white house counsel and myself up there. president trump's the one that forced that. president trump says there's no collusion. let's get this over with against the advice of people even like myself. >> so part of their pitch is they're saying the president was fully cooperative and now it's
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time to turn the page. the president doesn't look ready to turn the page. he seems to want to use this as grist for the mill for the next campaign, one he's already on the road sort of working and we've seen a preview. 85 minutes in front of a crowd. that will be sort of a template that we'll look to for future rallies and more activity. he is here in florida today. we expect he'll do some infrastructure touring, and then, of course, it's the weekend with family and so forth. the end of the bring break season here in west palm beach. >> a breezy west palm morning. thank you. with me now is rosalyn helderman, investigations reporter with new reporting on just how the president was able to avoid a sit-down with the special counsel. also with me chuckrosenberg, isha rasco, and jake sherman. ross, let me start with you and
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how you and your team are reporting president trump was able to avoid a sit-down with the special counsel. let me play the president's past comments on his desire he claimed to sit down with the special counsel. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of -- >> 100%. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> you want to? >> just -- there's been no collusion whatsoever. there's no obstruction whatsoever, and i'm looking forward to it. >> i'll do what is necessary to get it over with. >> so roz, and your colleagues report the team was to satisfy mueller's hunt for information to the extent the special counsel would not have legal standing to subpoena the president's oral testimony. how did they do it? >> that's right. his legal team from the start identified early that one of their top goals was to prevent
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the president from sitting down with the special counsel. they believe that was extraordinarily risky for him legally, and they wanted to mak. you just played that clip from sean spicer about how cooperative the white house was. well, they didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts. they did that as a legal strategy to strengthen the case under a previous court precedent that doesn't address this question directly. but they were going to try to argue to a judge had the president been subpoenaed that they had already given the special counsel all of the answers to the questions that he had via all these documents and interviews with other people they made available and thus, legally, he did not need the president. and that he can only subpoena and compel his testimony if there was no other way he could get the answers he was looking for. at his heart, the real question here is why didn't the special counsel try. why didn't they try to go in court and test that battle with the subpoena and compel his
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testimony, and that's the mystery none of us have yet been able to solve >> i think roz has it generally right. there's one other possible explanation, if i could use your two guests as part of the example. >> props. yeah. let's do it. >> if jake is the subject or target of a federal grand jury investigation and aisha is his attorney, and i'm in my role as a federal prosecutor, i'm going to ask if the client will talk to me. she says not if he's a subject or target. if he is, he's going to invoke his fifth amendment. then i do not subpoena him because aisha has represented to me, and i take her at her word, that he's going to invoke. and our rules, our guidelines say we do not make someone invoke in granted of the grand jury. i don't know that that happened. but i'm telling you from my experience as a federal prosecutor, that's a possibility. >> that's really interesting.
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rosalyn, do you get any sense that would have been a possibility here or did the trump legal team not talk through that with you? >> we reported sometime back they have been told the president was not a target. so while that certainly might be a possibility here, i don't know that we have enough information yet. i know that we have not had any reporting to this point that the trump legal team ever formally told the special counsel's team he would invoke his fifth amendment rights if subpoenaed. part of what's interesting is it sounds like there was a lot of dancing around this question on both sides. we do know that in march of 2018 there was a meeting where the special counsel side sort of mentioned the possibility of a subpoena. and that really blew up that meeting. but then our understanding is they never sort of directly made that threat again. they kept sort of asking for a voluntary interview. and the president's team kept sort of saying they would not submit to one, but they never
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really kind of blows of the kind that would force this into court. and the reason why not, we don't know yet. >> yeah, and that is something that the trump legal team as you reported, as others, as we've reported sees as a victory for them. president trump sees the whole thing as a victory as we saw at the rally in michigan. and jake, trump tests post mueller vengeance campaign even as democrats now weigh their legal and political options for moving forward here. >> we all live in the moment politically. right? in this moment the president has a potent weapon which is a letter from the attorney general that says he did not -- there's no evidence that he colluded with russia. that's what the letter says. i don't want to misquote it. he has that headline, and now democrats are going to spend the rest of this congress investigating all sorts of things. but he -- it becomes harder for democrats to expl finds no
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trump/russia collusion. >> the president is using democrats as he did at the rally, i want to play one piece of that, aisha. >> jerry nadler, i've been fighting him for years. . he was the congressman from manhattan. i had to beat him many times. now i come here. i have to beat him again. can you believe it? >> he's going to go after democrats. you're going to see a response from adam schiff saying look, maybe it doesn't rise to the level of legal conspiracy, but there were things that were done that he believes were unethical. >> fascinating series of questions. i do want to go back to one thing ros said quickly. he may not have been a target, but he could have been a subject, and a good attorney like aisha may not want her client, jake, to talk to me whether he's a target or a subject. >> we want them to come back. if they're going to get roped in
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every time -- >> well, jake's fine. aisha will absolutely come back. >> thank you for coming on. thank you for joining us from the washington post head quarters. we have new developments this morning in another big story. the boeing investigation with reports now that the black boxes from the ethiopian crash reveal a fatal fault in the airplane's safety system. tom costello, can you bring us up to speed where this goes? >> "the wall street journal" is reporting what we've been hearing behind the scenes but hadn't nailed it down yet. that's what investigators say that it does appear the anti-stall system misfired and activated much as it did as we believe in the lion air crash in october. both planes went into a nose dive. erratic vertical speeds. about 350 people died in both
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crashes. this week boeing has been briefing hundreds of executives on a software upgrade, a fix that it hopes will ensure that this will not misfire again and also an upgrade that gives pilots the ability to override the system. the faa will have to approve the software fix, and every pilot that flies in the max will have to go through a 30-minute training session on an ipad. the u.s. airlines who attended, they tell me they feel good about the upgrade but giving the final approval to fly the max again is likely weeks away in the u.s. it could take longer in other countries. >> interesting. tom, thank you for that important update. coming up in the show, we're talking 2020 and the dark horse candidate that may start to see the light of the top tier soon. our own steve kornacki joins us in a bit. first, president trump undercuts his own secretary of education as betsy devos answers even more questions on her
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i'm glad you're education secretary. are you? >> i am, indeed. most days i am. >> you got to wonder if this week was one of those days where devos didn't love her job so much.
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she was speaking in d.c. at a summit. she's still on stage. you can see her. she has not yet talked about the controversy over the special olympics. if she does, it's the first time we hear from her on camera after her boss made this rare reversal. >> why cut money for the special olympics? >> the special olympics will be funded. i just told my people. i want a fund the special olympics. i have overridden my people. we're funding the special olympics. >> even the special olympics seems surprised by the announcement with one top official telling me i didn't see this coming at all. they've had this position for three straight years now. maria shriver's mother founded the olympics and is celebrating. >> i want to thank the president for responding to your voices. that's how democracy is supposed to work. it worked.
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it worked because of you. her brother, tim shriver, is joining us now. thank you so much for getting up for us this morning. i appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> let me get your reaction to this reversal by the president. did you expect it? >> i think the take away is that special olympics athletes are the most powerful people in the united states. they cross boundaries of party, of race, and culture, and they can rise to the highest levels of power and encourage our leaders to do the right thing. i think we've got a powerful community. context here. you and i have talked about your congressional camponhampions. members of congress make the budget. lawmakers said we're not going to cut the special olympics. can you talk through why you think the president's move matters? it seems like it's more symbolic than anything else. >> well, i think it's important when the president of the united states endorses a movement, a community, a group of people.
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particularly a group of people who have suffered and struggle every day for inclusion and opportunity and employment, housing, education. this is a community that works really hard just for the basics that most people take for granted. when the president recognizes the importance of the work in schools, let's remember this is an appropriation to fund an education program. it's not an appropriation to fund a summer track meet. it's to teach inclusion and empathy and grit in our schools. it's part of a larger effort to promote social and emotional learning in our schools, and it's urgently needed. having the president's support is welcome for sure. the good news as you point out is that people like senator roy blunt have for a generation pushed for this expansion of our mission into schools and recognized that our families, our communities are hungry for a message of inclusion. so we've got broad support, but it makes a big difference when
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we've got the guy at the top. >> as this controversy built and built over the week as secretary betsy devos became the face of this, did you have any outreach or your organization to the white house? did you think there was any chance the president would do this? >> no. there was no chance. well, i shouldn't say there was no chance. it was unlikely. i mean, this president is not known for reversing himself. but we welcome it. i think -- look, he saw and i think he recognizes there was some bureaucrats somewhere that made a profound mistake. it does matter that ideologically people on the right want to cut everything and people on the left want to grow everything, but it matters whether things work. it matters whether they're urgent or important. and then you don't cut those things that are urgent and work and important. right now we believe that intolerance and fear of difference is an urgent priority for our country. we think it's the biggest issue on the national stage right now. how do we overcome our fear of one another? how do we overcome the othering
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that has crept into our culture? just watching the show already how, you know, campaigns of vengeance and anger, campaigns of vindictiveness. who wants that? americans don't want campaigns of vengeance. we want to refind our common moral and spiritual values and solve big problems and encourage young people to join service and rebuild our infrastructure. yes our physical infrastructure but what about our civic infrastructure? we didn't see it coming. but we welcome it. and we're grateful to all those people. millions of people who called us and facebook and yeah, it was amazing. it was beautiful. >> before i let you go, i want to ask what your message to betsy devos would be. she came out with a statement, actually, i spoke with the department of education. she said i'm grateful and pleased for this move behind the scenes. i have been talking about this
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and pushing this for the last several years. saying she has fought for this funding even though she became the face of the cuts that the president had requested. do you buy what the secretary is saying now, and what would you say to her? >> i would say there's an important distinction that she made between philanthropy and government support. and this is a program for schools. right? this is inclusive education. unified sports. children with and without intellectual challenges, learning to play and live together. i welcome her support for that. i do believe she has confidence in our movement. i'm sorry she was put in a position if she didn't agree with it to advocate for something she didn't believe in. i think that's unacceptable. if i were here, i would be upset with the people that put her in that position. at this point we want to turn the page and educate america's young people as part of an education revolution.
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it's a campaign of a different sort that the country is hungry for and we're ready to join it. >> tim, thank you for coming on and sharing your reaction. when we come back, flattery will only get you so far. nbc's new reporting on that failed north korea summit and how kim jong-un unsuccessfully tried to woo the president, but next up, brexit d day. parliament in a matter of six minutes or so is getting ready to vote on theresa may's last ditch effort. the political future of the uk is hanging in the balance. (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation? (danny) of course you don't because you didn't!
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we are taking a live look out of london where british lawmakers have just begun voting. that's on the left side of your screen on prime minister theresa may's brexit deal. they've rejected this thing twice before, but this is a watered down version. in a last ditch push to get it through. on the right side you have protesters showing up in force for and against brexit. it's a big afternoon overseas in london. i want to get to kelly outside parliament.
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kelly, what is the timeline now of when this vote is going to go down? what we think is going to happen after it? >> well, they've started voting now, and we could have the result within 15 minutes or so. it's going to be a fairly quick process. you can hear the protesters. they've been going around the houses of parliament for the past couple hours and making their voices heard. this is what they're voting on. this is not the deal they've voted against the past two times. they've taken out the entire political statement which is a road map for what the relationship between the uk and eu would look like going forward post brexit. the only thing they're voting on today essentially is the divorce bill, what the uk would have to pay the eu after leaving. citizen's rights and that all important irish border issue, the irish backstop. it doesn't look as though
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theresa may as the votes, although we could be surprised. we've been surprised before. if this passes it means the uk leaves the european union on may 22nd. theresa mays steps down and there will be a leadership election of some sort. >> and we heard from theresa may in the last couple minutes, i want to play for folks what she had to say. >> by voting for this motion today, we can send a message to the public and to the european union that britain stands by its word and that we will leave the european union on the 22nd of may. the day we show we can come together in the national interest. today we can take a step forward together. this is a difficult day for members right across the house. i'm asking members to take a hard decision. >> so kel he, we're going to wait and see what tree si may
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has to say when the vote wraps up. i'm going to ask you to stand by in landon. i appreciate your joining us. we want to get to an nbc exclusive on how praise got north korea nowhere out of the failed summit in hanoi. kim showered trump with flattery in letter before that trip according to current and former u.s. officials who also tell nbc news kim wanted to shut negotiate with the president directly. we're also learning u.s. officials worried the president would give too much away. quote, a huge amount of energy was devoted to avoiding disaster. they were playing defense according to one former u.s. official. let's bring in carol lee. carol, thank you for coming onset with us. let me tee up this quote. kim wanted the discussions strictly at the trump and kim jong-un level according to a current official. it was about flattery. that only the president himself could deliver peace. >> that's right. and what we know about this letter is this was really what
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ignited, reignited the momentum for a second summit between kim and trump. and now we know why. because he appealed to the president's -- the president with flattery with saying only you and i can do this. we can get in the room. that's already an inclination that president trump has. is that he's the one. >> he's the guy that can get it done. >> get him in the room with somebody and he can do it. he sends this letter and talks are back on track for a second summit. and this happened in context, it happened just weeks after the president's syria decision to withdrawal troops after talking with the president erdogan of turkey. you can see why kim would think if i can just get him alone and shut out all these more people who are more skeptical like his national security adviser, maybe i can get what i want. >> and steve vegan, a guy involved in the negotiations, this was an attempt to keep them
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as far away from this as possible? >> yeah. that's because all the people around the president are much more skeptical than he is that north korea is going to actually do what he wants them to do which is denuclearize. >> what is the administration saying about the new reporting? >> they're declining to comment which is not unheard of. although, it's -- when i wrote before about president obama's letters to the ayatollah and iran, they didn't comment on that either. the big difference between this president and his predecessor is that he talks openly about these letters, and that they're pen pals and says what -- oh, i got a great letter. i sent him a great letter. it's been this current throughout their diplomacy that we haven't seen before. >> it's not just the letters. it's the worst kept secret around washington and around the world, the best way is to shower him with praise.
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>> and the north koreans, even though they were not successful in vietnam, that all fell apart, they have been -- i think they are keeping up the strategy of being very nice to trump. even though they were saying they were thinking about walking away, they said the chemistry between them is wonderful. trump just last week pulled back on sanctions. we didn't know exactly what sanctions he was talking about. >> very confusing. >> it was very confusing and the white house claims there were future sanctions and there has been some reporting that they were actually -- that he had walked back trying to pull back from sanctions that were already in place, but at the end of the day, the reason why they said they did it is because trump likes kim and that's why he did it. >> you two stick around. carol lee, thank you for coming onset. up next, steve kornacki will join us. he's standing by to give us the latest on 2020. who is up and who is down. and why the polls may not be
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a lot of people are asking how do you pronounce this guy's name? >> pete budigeg. >> pete bug -- >> i always say it wrong. >> indiana mayor buddigig. >> talk about name recognition. he says just call me mayor pete. he's looking into a presidential run in 2020 flaying under the radar for now. maybe not for long with some democrats paying more and more attention. if he makes it all way, he would be the youngest. joining me here onset anita, ayesha and jake, and steve. steve, full disclosure, viewers of this show know we do not talk
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about horse place polls but you're the exception because you're so good at putting it into context and explaining why it's important so early. >> i am honored. i think something a little interesting is happening here. it's this. the resume that he has, mayor of south bend, indiana, a city of 100,000 people. you do not see people run for president with that resume much. the last person who tried was the mayor of irvine, california back in the 1990s. a little bigger than south bend. couldn't get in the debate. his picture was cropped out of photos when it was taken. he showed up at a babysdebate t in jail. got nowhere. and yet, a generation later in the current media eco system, this is what pete buttigieg has been getting. big name people getting him viral attention. the coach of the celtics
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weighing in. he had a cnn town hall. he's been on "morning joe." if you're into politics and connected to political media, you know all about him. a lot of folks there, there is some excitement for him, and what's happening is you are starting to see, it's not a major move here. but it's more significant than you ever would have seen in the past for somebody with this resume. check this out. new poll from iowa. out this week. sitting there at 6%. the mayor of south bend. i don't think that would have been possible 20 years ago. given where the media was, given what's possible now for candidates. look at a national poll this week. again, i don't want to oversell it. 4 % is not nothing. in the past somebody who is a mayor of 100% would have started at nothing, stayed at nothing and ended at nothing. there's movement. i think you can tie it to the media coverage. it's a commentary on the age we live in. >> that's an interesting point. you have a way with words. >> thank you. >> anita, he has drawn
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comparison to your former boss, barack obama. after he was on "morning joe," scarborough tweeted the only other part-time we heard about a guest as much is obama. >> what we need is our next president. we need the person who can beat donald trump. anyone who watched mayor pete, because i'm not going to the last name, but anyone who watched his run from nowhere for dnc chair shouldn't be surprised that he's doing well now. he's smart. he's ar titiculate. he has a great story. he's a great communicator. states like iowa, he's going to be able to campaign well. there is a place in this democratic field for a candidate arguing generational change, and he's doing a good job. >> 37 years old. he's the mayor of south bend. former road scholar. served in afghanistan.
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came out as gay in an editorial. he's a newly wood with his husband. he speaks seven languages including norwegian. he said ideologically he is -- he does have obviously p progressive values. he supports the green new deal. he's open to expanding the supreme court. a single payer health care system that would not eliminate health care. he wants to update the civil rights of 1964 to apply some of the recollections to the lgbtq community. how do you square that? the progressive values with the message that i can win in places where donald trump did too? >> i don't think he's the only candidate saying they can win back the rust belt. i think that's going to be a major talking point for many candidates.
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listen, this is a political party that needs to have the kind of process we're having with a lot of candidates and debate, because for -- we had an incumbent president for eight years and then we had, you know, a, a primary process in 2016 that was two people. this is a healthy thing for the party, and mayor pete is healthy for the party. >> thank you so much for joining us. we have breaking news from the uk. the vote has wrapped up. british lawmakers rejected prime minister theresa may's third brexit plan. boy, does this set up a shoutdown. let's go back to kelly outside parliament. ali is also outside with protesters. kelly, this was quick and this kind of went down as a lot of folks thought it might. >> reporter: yeah. and this is a huge, huge defeat for the prime minister. the third time her version of brexit has been voted down. she lost it by 58 votes. yes, she gained a few on the margins but not enough to put her deal forward. it means she remainspower,
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but this country is completely left adrift in terms of what happens next. how they leave the european union. the parliament will now take over this process. theresa may is completely seedlines -- sidelined. mps will take up options and vote on them and try to come up with a consensus as to how the country gets out of this whether it's a second referendum, whether it is another kind of softer brexit deal. you have to gauge the popularity on that. they voted on eight separate options on wednesday, and one of the options that got the most votes none of them won a con sen us the. the one that got the most votes was to put any deal back to a vote to the people. we'll have to see how parliament now works this out. they'll only have, hallie, until april 12th to come up with some sort of deal.
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otherwise the uk crash -- the uk crashes out of the european union without a deal at all. and lots of people have agreed that would be an economic disaster. >> and let's just keep in mind, april 12th is two weeks away. there is not much time at all for this. kelly, stand by for a second. i want to go to allie in london with some of the protests. what was the reaction when this news was announced moments ago? >> reporter: hi there, hallie. we're here in parliament square. there are several thousand people gathered here. and all the folks here predominantly want to see the united kingdom come out of the european union. a little chair went up here when we got news that the vote didn't go through. they believe that they have been betrayed by their government. they think they have not done right by them. so folks here are happy. but they are irritated to say the least that the united kingdom is still part of the eu. they have color pbanners saying
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leave means leave. no deal is better than a bad deal, and they want to see england out of the european union. they think it should have happened today. they want to see a resolution to this more quickly. these are not fans of theresa may. these are people that want to see a brexit prime minister take power. they don't think this is the right prime minister for them. so this, for these folks here, it's a small victory, but we have a long way to go to see what direction this country is going to go into. >> stay close to your camera and part of the discussion. i want to bring in john sople, someone we turn to to put these kinds of things in perspective. a huge moment. >> a houge moment. theresa may met her caucus the other night and said to them if
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we win, i'll resign, but if we lose, i stay on. it's like a -- she's become so unpopular in the whole process that she feels that offering to resign as prime minister is the best way forward. she's going to go. she's toast. >> her political future -- >> it's done. and she becomes the fourth successful conservative prime minister to be brought down by thatcher, major, come ron, and now theresa may, and they've not got any further forward. we're looking at on monday they'll come back to the house of commons and have votes on other ideas that might get a majority. theresa may has been my way or the highway. if one of the ideas gets a majority, i think we're looking at a long extension of the process before we leave the european union, and if nothing gets a majority, then i think the calls for a general election, a fresh election in the uk will be irresistible. >> how much of a hot mess is this for the uk? >> it's extraordinary.
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it's political paralysis. the mother of parliaments has shown -- well, more the mother of something else at the moment. i mean, it's a complete mess. it's shown itself incapable of making a decision. incapable of reaching a consensus and almost more divided than the people outside. that's why i think the calls that for some -- there must be a mechanism by which the people have to decide and say look, these are the options. but then it gets massively complicated again. what's the referendum question? stay or leave? or is it a three-part question, stay, the theresa may plan, or a hard brexit? and how would you do the voting system for that? >> can you even get that done in two weeks? >> not a chance. that's why you have to go back to the european union and say we need a long extension. >> are they going to give it? >> it might get vetoed. the only thing that has a majority for in parliament is people are opposed to a hard brexit. but if the europeans don't play
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ball, hard brexit may be the way we're doing with all the uncertainty. >> you have been looking at not just john but the protests in parliament square and a live look at parliament. we want to bring you to the moment this happened, the moment that this went down. we've reracked that. we want to play it. watch. >> the ayes to the right, 286. the noes to the left, 344. so, the noes have it. the noes have it. unlock! >> and that is when you heard that cheer go up, jake, on the right side of your screen, where some of the protesters who wanted to see this were watching and waiting. >> you know, one parliament is enough for me to cover, but i have an observation here about how this is somewhat of a parallel to our system of the government, the people's representatives failing to keep up with the issues that the populous cares about. we've seen it in this country on issues like gun control in many cases and smaller issues, not
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issues like divorcing yourself from a massive political system. >> right. >> but it does -- it is striking to me that this has been in the works for so long, and the parliament can't get its hands around it. >> theresa may just moments ago reacting to this vote. i want to play that. watch. >> mr. speaker, i think it should be a matter of profound regret to every member of this house that once again we have been unable to support leaving the european union in an orderly fashion. the implications of the house's decision are grave. >> jon. >> well, it's like she's saying, i don't know what to do now. i mean, you know, this is when you're a child and you always think your parents know what they're doing, and then you suddenly find out that they don't. and this is in parliament. we've got the parliamentary equivalent of that, where people have come -- you know, our prime minister is saying i don't know what to do now. i mean, we've exhausted the parliamentary process. so, she's now trying to figure out where we go from here. >> right. >> and that is because she's -- she introduced what she called her red lines into this
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negotiating process. for 2, 2 1/2 years, this has been going on. she has said this is the way we're going to do it and wouldn't entertain anyone else's ideas. now at the final, at the 11th hour, she's saying, oh, well, maybe i do need to consider what you parliamentarians think. i think it is possible that you could find a majority for a softer brexit, but that is something she set her face against, that britain would still remain what they call part of a customs union, which would still keep us tied much more closely to the european union. >> quickly to you, what do we expect today for the rest of the afternoon where you are, evening into london? any other news conferences, more protests? what's your expectation? >> reporter: well, definitely more protests. you can hear them behind me right now, those people who are very pro leave are likely not going home for quite a while today. it's a beautiful, warm day in london, and they are going to voice their anger at this government already marching by, shouting "shame on you!" in terms of the political side, you'll probably have a lot of
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backroom negotiations, some wriggling, some trying to get in charge of who's the next leader of this conservative party. how is theresa may potentially pushed out? who is going to push forward this process in parliament? who's going to be with the winning group? who is able to pull enough support behind their version of whatever brexit may be going down the line in the next 12 days? they're going to have to figure out how to vote on monday. what is the process? none of this, hallie, has ever been done before. this is the first time that we're aware of that parliament has taken over this kind of process. this is usually in the hands of the government, and the government leads the way. so, we're sort of in unknown territory here, but you'll probably see an awful lot of backroom deals go on in the next few hours, and certainly over the weekend. >> jon, quick final thoughts. what's this mean for our viewer
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watching at home? whauz d what does this mean for the u.s.? >> if britain leaves the european union, it won't be the powerful influence in europe that it's been for half a century. it means britain will be going it alone. there will be a separate trade deal i'm sure between the u.s. and uk. there will be vestiges of the special relationship remaining. but i've got to say, listening to what we heard from westminst westminster, i envy your constitution. at least you have a rule book that keeps you on track. we are making it up as we go along in the dark. >> jon sopel, leaving it there. thank you. you have a busy day ahead of you. we'll quickly sneak in what your sources are talking about as we wrap up the show. what are you reporting on? >> my sources are telling me the white house will have an event celebrating the first step back, the criminal justice reform bill that passed. and some sources are concerned about funding and whether it's being implemented the way that it was promoted. >> interesting.
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good morning. i'm hallie jackson in of what's to come? plus, traffic jam. washington, in for craig melvin presidential candidates for another hour with you. blanketing iowa. up next, 2020 plan of attack. more than 200 appearances insults, bad words, plenty combined just since january. with ten-plus months to go until the caucus, how are they differentiating themselves in a crudded field? and we're following major breaking news from overseas, where a vote to leave the european union has just failed for the third time for the uk. what this means for prime minister theresa may's future, and we are live with protesters out in force outside the british parliament. we have a lot to get to this friday morning, but we start with president trump setting the table for his re-election fight. and yes, at that rally, of course he talked about the mueller investigation.
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