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nadler he would not commit to going to a court to get that embarrassed. 400 pages plus consistents are position. going to come out and suddenly >> yeah. >> so this does not mean -- this released. this is happened with watergate. it's not going to look like he went and got a court order in does not mean that we change our order for the information to be there's no evidence of released to congress. collusion. it's not going to look like it it means is that we overnment, barr would not commit to that. was appropriate for him to make here's the thing, democrats the call on obstruction. believe, nicolle, that information is going to be so i think they cut out over need to do something, something, critical can to understanding the underlying motives and their skis, they always do this, and that is what the solution is about. narrative here in the broader >> and you can see more of russia investigation. and so there is a lot of concern in the moment they're so desperate to get the win or pat on the back or at least not get chris' exclusive interview with that they're going to get a complete accounting here. the question is what is nadler hollered at by donald trump they alexandria oscasio-cortez in the special "all in green new deal" going to be willing to do when will contort and spin. that deadline now comes and the problem is it does come out. here on msnbc. that wraps up the week for me. it won't work, because sooner or passes on april 2? he's saying he's standing firm later we will get to see the report. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right by that. i will say this to the now. well, prior to this reverend's point about nancy pelosi. this week she's taking all kinds hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in announcement, i have been talking with democrats today, of votes, votes on pay equity new york, where we begin with nicolle, who said some of them breaking news. would be advocating for a and bread and butter issues. attorney general bill barr notifying congress just in the last hour that he will release quote/unquote subpoena cannon. but again, we're brought back to she's now traa vetalking about , the limitations that barr faces robert mueller's report by by law that he cannot release the president trying to take mid-april with redactions. that grand jury information away obamacare. barr writes in the letter to the without going to a court. when they get to 2020 she's chairman of the house and senate so where does this ultimately going to be able to say we judiciary committees, quote, as end up? we don't know at this point but passed these 49 things and we have discussed, i share your desire to ensure that congress there's sitting on the desk in
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possibly democrats do take a and the public have the more aggressive posture, then we the united states senate because mitch mcconnell is the opportunity to read the special counsel's report. do end up in court with president's errand boy and he we are preparing the report for democrats kind of pushing barr doesn't take a vote until he release, making theons to do what they asked him gets permission from the that are required. president. that balancing act has been the special counsel is assisting us in this process. pretty much on view today. >> joyce, i'm thinking about all what barr decides to redact and expression, she would say you made your bed, you have to lie of the conversations we had in it if i stayed out a little about the russia question. why is certain to become very few of them centered around too l scrutiny and calls for democrats the bed bill barr is lying in today is one he made on sunday whether or not robert mueller for maximum transparency. barr in his letter addressed when he refused to release basic would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that donald trump was a information, like how many concerns if president trump and criminal conspirator, but many his attorneys will use executive pages? how many pages? we learned today for the first of them, many of them, were privilege to conceal damaging time something we could have around this term i first learned information. easily learned sunday night, an writing this, quote, although the president would have the about on "homeland" about a right to assert privilege over innocuous line right here in the useful idiot. letter released, after five days many of them were around certain parts of the report he has stated publicly he tends to manafort just being a the morning's headline, defer to me and accordingly democratic stoppers accusing the sleaze-bag, selling access to justice department of a donald trump, didn't care, to cover-up. there are no plans to submit the on day five, the fifth full day russian oligarchs and their report to the white house for privilege review. buddies. barr also confirming he will of the american public and many of our conversations were about jared kushner setting up a congress only knowing what bob testify before the senate judiciary committee on may 1 and barr told us about the back channel, wanting to set up before house judiciary the next two-year-long mueller day and that is where we start investigation, the attorney today with some of our favorite general adding this line if his reporters and friends. a back channel using russian letter, the special counsel's communications during the transition so americans wouldn't report is nearly 400 pages long, "the new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. exclusive of tables and hear. many of our conversations were
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nbc news national political about the size meetings donald trump had with vladimir putin reporter heidi przybyla. appendsies and sets forth the special counsel's findings, his for which there are no notes, no frank figliuzzi, former assistant director for analysis and reason for his records and donald trump doesn't counterintelligence at the fbi. conclusions. seems like that was a sentence that would have fit, you know, permit any american staffers or former u.s. attorney joyce vance cabinet members. i'm thinking kind of on that there is still a question, and and nbc news national security fourth page, thenk the barr -- and justice reporter julia maybe it isn't donald trump is having strategy sessions, he ainsley. she's live for us outside the barr made is the bed he thought doesn't even seem to have those trump would want to sleep in. with his own chief of staff, but department of justice. and that is where i start today he tried to give the report the maybe donald trump was winking with you, julia. are you getting any sense, it's and nodding and being used by most affirmative spin for the the russians and this is that president. we see now that's put him department of ion all week personally into a very awkward still a national security place that appears he was not question that everyone should want the answer to. justice was not unaware of the forthcoming, and i think the >> there is video of a young point you make about the length climate in which calls for lindsey graham during the transparency and accusations of of the report is an important clinton impeachment hearings one we shouldn't pass over too quickly because it would have been very different. a cover-up were building? saying, this is about cleansing we got word yesterday it was the oval office. more than 300 pages. if that had been a 20-page and that still hasn't happened >> that's absolutely right, report with 280 pages of nicolle. they're completely aware of here. it's possible mueller found that. that's what this letter tries to exhibits, that would have been one thing. there wasn't proof beyond a address, try to get inside some of the discussions and debates but today we learn bob mueller reasonable doubt that the president personally engaged in that are going on within the a conspiracy but that as you building behind me and the attorney general is trying to devoted almost 400 pages to say, the useful idiot permitted revealing what he learned in the give us a little idea what to praush to go on its merry way expect and i think has managed investigation, presumably to analyzing it. some of those expectations. we're told already by barr without calling the fbi to let big news, we can expect his them know what was going on, mueller laid out evidence on version of the mueller report to both sides of the obstruction meetings were taken by his son come out by mid-april f. not issue, and that there are with the promise of dirt on sooner. he's also agreed to testify in
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appendsies and tables on top of hillary clinton and when you look at all of the dots, whether early may on capitol hill. those almost 400 pages. one thing i would call your attention to is the reasons he this is a significant they connect into a conspiracy investigation. or not, they point a different gives out for why he won't be it's a lot more than the two conclusions barr played out to direction. the direction is this white able to be fully transparent. house is engaged in behavior we some of the things we were us when he tried to give us what should never tolerate from a expecting, whether it's grand he now is saying was a summary jury testimony or evidence that can be used in another freeze. it's the only bar we have left of mueller's principal for what an acceptable president investigation, the point four i conclusions. is, is gee, we with didn't think is the thing we will be there's a lot of material here, talking about for some time. and it belongs on capitol hill. this includes information that invite him because there's not would unduly infringe on the this question of getting a court proof beyond a reasonable doubt personal privacy and order, that's not a difficult we have become a failed experiment in government. question. if i had a case in birmingham we have to have higher standards reputational interests of than that. peripheral third parties. that i needed to turn over say >> i'll tell you this, jioyce, as we've discussed, there's no to a u.s. attorney's office in seattle, i would be able to turn legal term for what a peripheral that over readily to another prosecutor. third party means. whether we found donald trump who could that mean gets left here the only little quirk in had a sit-down with a notebook out of this because the special and to-do items with vladimir the process is that congress is counsel, in this case william putin and whatnot, he's certainly ticked through barr, won't want to bring anyone in essence the next prosecutor, into a position where their absolutely everything a russian it's congress who engages in leader would want an american reputation might be damaged president to do, whether it's because of information in this oversight of a president who report. can't be indicted by doj. disparage nato, distance and will that keep him from so there's a need for a court ourselves from our allies, let being completely transparent and order to engage in that forthcoming as democrats and vladimir putin be a bigger and many of the public would like turnover. it's nothing unusual. louder voice in china and other him to be? and bill barr should have had >> frank figliuzzi, i'm thinking that order in his hip pocket, places of the world that still jared kushner, i'm thinking prepared for the release so he threaten the united states would be better prepared to turn economically and from a national donald trump jr., i'm thinking security standpoint. all of the other sunts and this report over to congress in
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ancillary figures that a a timely fashion. so whether or not those calls to >> joyce, just a quick followup, action from putin came on phone political appointee like william attorney general william barr barr may have a reason to try to protect. knew three weeks before the what do you think when you hear sunday in which he released the records or encrypted messages, julia report that? that simply weren't there when summary of principal conclusion they were investigated by that robert mueller would not prosecutors and investigators, >> so here's my gut reaction to reach any conclusion around the conduct speaks for itself. that, the people you just listed >> plus, i want to know what are not by any stretch of the obstruction. and it wasn't because there was happened. evidence that he had obstructed i want to see the report. imagination peripheral third and evidence he not obstructed. the best disinfectant is my understanding is it's more parties. they're not peripheral. sunlight. we don't want this to happen they're in the center of this. likely evidence of obstructive again. we want to understand what was so if that is indeed the kind of conduct and some case law and the chain of events that led russia to be so successful? constitutional law around the people he's referring to, there even if there was no criminal will be a problem. precedent of not charging a wrongdoing, we want to know and the white house, if they were on sitting president, around the the level, they would want the i will tell you this, absent that sentence, generally the vast authority vested by article letter has an overall positive two authority, around what he did tell us about, some of his public to understand how it all connotation. i like the letter. happened so it doesn't happen i think the mid-april deadline own prosecutorial or sort of doj is reasonable. again. >> but you have to ask the i always thought and have talked question, why did everybody lie about how difficult it is to bias about the need for an if there was nothing to lie underlying crime, which is not declassify, et cetera. really a thing. in fact, the shorter deadline plenty of people get prosecuted about? whether he was a useful idiot or here actually tells me they've for obstruction. whether he was greedy trying to my former colleague scooter libby was one of them. been working on the issue of get a deal in moscow for a trump declassification and grand jury so what do you think we will secrecy for probably quite some time. see in the 400 pages dedicated organization, because remember i love the idea he's in search, he never thought he would win for president. that mueller is involved in this to the obstruction of justice and whether they were process, that helps. investigation with evidence on
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i agree with julia, he's kind of maneuvering him, i think both sides that did not putin -- trump and i both come pushing back on this perception that's been out there spinning, exonerate donald trump? from new york. >> so i look forward to reading there's a times square they beat hey, he's involved in a you out of your money, the report, and i've tried to cover-up. and, of course, there's a zinger avoid crystal balling but i three-card monte, putin could in there as you said with the think it's not a bad takeaway been playing it. president, he's referring to the here that what mueller did was then they had to obstruct public pronouncement of the justice because they got out too president that he wants the he teed the issue up for far. they woke up not on fifth whole thing to come out so i congress because congress was the rightful decisionmaker here. avenue, they were in the white will take the public house. pronouncement as official and that's why i want to know where we're not going to run it by you both as you point out because of for executive privilege. a couple of other things, the doj policy saying that doj obstruction, obstruction does not mean you colluded. notion that in addition to item should not indict a sitting an obstruction means you number four in these peripheral president, but also because of these legal issues. obstructed. nixen may never have known about players and whoever they are, i'm concerned about them saying the biggest one being executive the break-in and who would pay we're addressing these things for it but when he participated that will keep us from getting privilege. and we know that the attorney in the cover-up, that's when the everything out. the grand jury secrecy, we general is on record in the republicans said he had to go. talked about this. 19-page memo that he sent to doj you can get a judge to say i'm i don't care if he was a that made its way to the white house before he was chosen as conspirator in the beginning, waiving that, it's not going to idiot in the middle or someone that obstructed at the end, we be a secret anymore. and the secret classified attorney general that he takes even for people who have an need to know. >> heidi? information, listen, mueller got extreme view on the power of the >> yeah, nicolle, i wanted to out 12 gru officers and all of president, that executive power. share some reporting on why i he's an outlier even there learned so many lawmakers are believing it's virtual limb the keystrokes and time and taking an offensive posture now place they were doing it, if we possible for the president to about the timing of this. commit obstruction of justice. it's because of the history. can do that, we can declassify and that's contrary, frankly, to there are two aspect lz to that. much of what's in this report. first of all william barr's the view doj has taken in cases not buying all of it but a general overall positive not with a president but with a
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history. let's remind everyone barr's connotation. >> i was involved in the governor as the executive, where declassification of the pdb after the 9/11 attacks, not much for instance rod blagojevich in predecessor jeff sessions was more sensitive intel than goes fired by this president because the president groused about how illinois was prosecuted for jeff sessions wasn't loyal to into a pdb and declassification something he was entitled to do, him, specifically in terms of of the wmd report which included appointing a senator to replace recusing himself and not senator obama when he was protecting him from this russia elected but because blagojevich investigation. then you had barr before he was took a bribe, he could be mounting intelligence. prosecuted for that crime. appointed pending that letter so there's more historic where he called the mueller apparently barr doesn't believe that, he believes an executive investigation fatally precedent of it being done than misconceived. not being done. can do no wrong as long as he's now he's the person who's someone else who's not buying it acting in the area of his power, is chairman nadler. deciding everything that gets here's a statement they just put except for a few limited released and through what lens out -- as i informed the exceptions and that could have it will be seen. the second piece of history they possibly colored mueller's point out to me is the recent attorney general this week, i assessment of the evidence here. congress requires the full and >> peter baker, attorney general history of how a similar complete mueller report without william barr became donald redactions as well as access to trump's favorite human beings investigation around hillary's the underlying evidence by april over the last five days. e-mails was handled whether i think he called him wonderful, 2. that deadline still stands. beautiful, spectacular. i don't know what words he used. there was a duck ination, as i informed him rather than some of those sound a little determination made, jason expend value time and resources long for a trump rally. chafous, the oversight chair at tell me where this president's the time, had james comey up in trying to keep important head is. is he prepared for 400 pages of a chair within two days portions of this from congress testifying. he should work with us to a two-year investigation that he went around the attorney re-dees a court order to release general loretta lynch because he any and all information to the said she was conflicted. drove him mad all day, every so you have a similar situation here. house judiciary committee has day, from his twitter feed to i know there was a lot of has occurred in every single grousing about that at the time,
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investigation in the past. there's ample precedent for the his bizarre unstable press but you do hear democrats saying department of justice sharing appearances to fox appearances, there's a double standard. all of the information the they can't get even basic attorney general proposes to where he called robert mueller deeply conflicted. information in this time period redact to the appropriate congressional committees. he maligned a vietnam war during which the president is again, congress must be the going out and using this as a veteran, the only person to ever campaign tactic to basically have his tenure at the fbi full -- must see the full extended. how does this president sort of misstate even the most basic report. heidi przybyla, congress has make this pivot to the justice contents of what is in barr's been on a war footing since department, which he spent a own summary. huge amount of time and energy so that is why so many democrats skepticism set in friday evening and air time maligning to are concerned and now they say at about 8:00 when they saw embrace what will now be 400 they're concerns are being barr's summary didn't include a pages? and we have to expect it won't validated by barr saying, well, single complete sentence. it didn't include a single be pretty. he will give them some version paragraph. >> no, i think that's right. of the reports and they're i'm willing to accept attorney expecting something that maybe general barr didn't anticipate the fact that the robert mueller is just heavily redacted. the critique. chose not to find -- or chose but it is abundantly clear that >> we have to sneak in a break but it's such an important point not to allege a criminal act democratic leaders in the house, that robert mueller didn't even does not mean his report is celebrated.mey level, which was at least, anticipated more sunshine and life for the mueller didn't even reach a stonewalling. >> that's right, nicolle. conclusion on whether or not it president. obviously, he's going to lay out was obstruction or not. and they're staying pretty firm if you read the statement here his take on the evidence he and then barr went in. imagine if comey had not reached that both by the deadline and found and his facts he a conclusion about whether or for the full report as well as not there was anything criminal, and then loretta lynch had gone underlying documentation, i discovered we may not yet know spoke with a number of judiciary out and put out a four-page about. summary and no one had seen it. we, the congress and president and voters and media can digest committee members this week, heidi and joyce, we're losing nicolle, and they all were and assess what those facts add skeptical that they weren't up to. there are a lot of things
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going to get a heavily redacted you. presidents can be criticized for thank you very much for spending document that would be that fall short of a criminal time with us. we're grateful. essentially a shell of an actual act. after the break, reaction report. and, therefore, this is not from the president. k, reaction something the president will be from the president looking forward to. those concerns were underscored but what he will focus on, of course, are the bottom line when last night a senior conclusions, assuming bill barr has accurately represented them, democratic official briefed reporters and said barr had a which is there is no finding a phone call with jerry nadler criminal conspiracy and if there's no finding of obstruction, even though there's no exoneration either, he will hammer those home again and again and say the actual details of the report don't matter and all that matters is they will say the words no collusion again and again and that will empower him with his base. that will tell his base don't worry about the details, at the end of the day, this is all made-up stuff. this as he said last night in his rally at grand rapids, you can ignore the details because you know i didn't do anything wrong and a certain percentage of the population will accept that. the question is whether or not robert mueller presented what he does have in a damning enough way that's meaningful to those
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in the middle, if there are any, looking for guidance. >> i know donald trump is not a student of history but even he must know the sentence i am not a crook has an ominous connotation. is that where we're heading based on what we could see in 400 pages of the mueller investigation? >> i think what we might see is kind of this aversion of it that says i am not a spy. both of those coming out of your mouth are really bad things. it's kind of like the question when did you stop beating your wife? once that allegation is out there, there's really no good way to respond to that. and by the way, don't be surprised on this issue of barr boxing the president in on executive privilege and saying you said publicly you want the whole thing out so we're not going to show it to you. remember the president months ago saying i look forward to being interviewed by mueller. dso should the way you bank.. i look forward to it. virtual wallet from pnc bank. i want to sit down with him. just one way pnc is modernizing banking and then it morphed into my to help make things easier. attorneys are telling me it's probably not a good idea, it's pnc bank.
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make today the day. some kind of a trap. don't be surprised if the attorneys for the president come i was thinking...d clot out and go and say to barr, could there be another around the corner? or could it turn out differently? listen, i know the president said he wanted the whole thing i wanted to help protect myself. to come out but we have a my doctor recommended eliquis. problem with executive privilege. we want to see the whole thing eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent first. i predict that's possible. >> i think that's likely. another dvt or pe blood clot... let me follow up with you, frank. almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis one of the sort of pieces that didn't experience another. the justice department woke up ...and eliquis has significantly to today was the one i already less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda approved referenced, "the washington post" writing that house and has both. democrats are ready to accuse don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. attorney general william barr of eliquis can cause serious a cover-up to protect president and in rare cases fatal bleeding. trump if he refuses to detail don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve for congress the information special counsel robert mueller or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis provided the grand jury during his investigation of russia's call your doctor right away if you have tingling, numbness, or muscle weakness. interference into 2016. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily... the other was a deep dive and and it may take longer than usual for bleeding to stop. analysis into the subpoena seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, i think this is part of what like unusual bruising. you're getting at, "the eliquis may increase your bleeding risk washington post" also reporting that the decision not to if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical subpoena the president is one of the lingering mysteries of or dental procedures. what's around the corner could be surprising. mueller's 22-month investigation, which concluded ask your doctor
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last week when he filed a report about eliquis. numbering more than 300 pages. we now know it's 400 pages. an interview with the president would have been pivotal to helping assess whether the president had corrupt intent, a key element of such a charge, legal experts said. do you agree with that more answers can be revealed in decision? do you want the white house to mueller's report. take a look tat? do you think we'll learn, frank, >> i great confidence in the attorney general, and if that is about why some of those -- what he would like to do i have nothing to hide. robert mueller would appear from this was a hoax. this was a witch hunt, and i this reporting and others in peter's newspaper and others, have absolutely nothing to hide. and this organization, reached a i think a lot of things are fork in the road around this coming out with respect to the question of interviewing the other side. >> i was trying to listen but i president. they landed on written answers. they got to another fork in the could not stop staring at the road, they landed on written answers only about collusion. bowl. trump has great confidence in do you think the written report will offer some paper trail around when the frame of the william barr who is deciding what to redact from robert obstruction investigation was mueller's report. frank and the table are back and locked in when they decided that frank i want to come back to you if the conduct was so clearly to on this russia question that obstruct the investigation, but joyce and i were talking about. i want to play some of what ty they couldn't interview him, they reached this conclusion
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they wouldn't charge? cobb who is three lawyers ago for the president said to my >> so a couple of thoughts. one is we absolutely need to colleague today. know the process that led rudy giuliani, some of the mueller to this decision and, two, i think the answer is in president's attacks stripped the appendsies. away at the dignity of the and here's why. from what i know about how process? >> i'm saying it drove up the mueller works on these very negatives of the institution of sensitive issues is he will special council, and tactically memorialize this for the record, that may have beneficial to the but it's not likely that it's in the body of the report. that's why i still get nervous when i hear the ag say 400-page report and we all applaud him finally giving us the number. let me tell you something, think about the size of the appendsies that, i think a lot of us regret that it came to that, the here. you can easily double or triple special council should have been that number and come up with the like a sacred place where we total size of the report. could put redability into think about the fd302s of fbi largely independent objective, interview reports of everybody they interviewed and how long a neutral decision making, and so report would be interviewing far it has been, but now it has someone for hours, if not days, been tainted by the attorney and pile those all up in general of the united states, attachments and appendsies and
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have bob mueller immoralize in a rudy giuliani, and people leading the institutions being memo form his conversations with bashed. there is long term damage to this and even last night, with the ag about whether or not we can pardon a sitting nicole, at this rally that the president had, he used the term president, get him in front of "the russian hoax." him, all of this would have been the russian hoax is dead. memorialized by mueller and if here is the problem that, the it's stuck in the appendsies and the ag is only releasing the findings of the special counsel report, again, we will not get were that our foreign adversary the full process here. went to great extreme lengths to >> julia, i have a question about the distribution of the meddle in our election. mueller report inside the justice department. if the public perceived this as do you have any sense how far a hoax and forgets the and wide it's been circulated inside doj? incredible findings by the do you have any sense that the people who will have to help degree to which we were messed sell it or orchestrate briefings with, than we have lost the value of this inquiry. with congress have looked at it we're being attacked by a or press people who will ultimately have to help explain foreign adversary. they're not the only one in is it? or is it still being tightly held by the attorney general's all "a russian hoax." small staff and jag's small we have to stop the spin out of washington and become more staff? >> from what i understand, educated consumers of investigation. >> it is chilling and it makes nicolle, it's being held by a small group.
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me feel physically sick to think about the idea that the public even people you would assume seen it would not affirm they will take from donald trump's have seen it. i know there are a small group who will have to write the letter that went to congress sunday and those who initially took it in and were involved in the planning saw it over the lunatic tirade, he is trying to weekend. and those people continue to say that the idea that i work. i believe they have to be in a secure location in order to review this material. it's being very tightly held. criminally skiconspired with th they understand the stakes here. i keep having that reiterated to is proved not true, phew. me. >> peter baker, let me give you the last word. on monday i saw "fox and any sense that the white house friends" and the people that counsel's office was alerted looked at this and they found ahead of this notice in this letter about executive privilege? because i have the same terrifying ambitions, the two suspicions frank figliuzzi has. sections of the summary si there emmet flood worked in the white house of my former boss. was interference, the hacking of his thing is a real aggressive, e-mails is real, what is so aggressive ideology and scary is that because she he is philosophy and practice around executive privilege. >> yeah, i would wonder about that too. i don't know the answer. self obsessed, and even that -- but when we go back to his last weekend, what we learned was even they should know the threat before bill barr sent the that russia represents. four-page letter that we saw, >> it was so obvious that
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they did in fact call the counsel's office. they did in fact give them a william barr had to write about readout on what the letter said. it in that summary. he could not avoid that i think they read the full conclusion. and remember the entire fuss letter or parts of the letter to that donald trump was was having them. over the last couple years is it would beg the imagination that the democrats are trying they had not, in fact, consulted the white house beforehand to -- saying we're about to send a letter to congress, this is what >> a fuss? we're going to say. >> yeah, a temper tantrum, a maybe they didn't. maybe they decided a better course of action was to say melt down, what he was so upset we're completely independent. about, is that he says the i did find issue the attorney democrats are questioning my general specifically said is that it was due to the president's public pronouncement. legitimacy. and i say darn right. he didn't say anything about you were helped to be elected to conversations that might have been had. we have an effort to box him in the united states presidency, the highest role in the nation and say, i'm taking you at your and probably the most powerful word or if they had a position in the world by a conversation either directly and through aides and he's not hostile foreign power, that is simply referring to it in this in that thaueer or letter because he doesn't want someone else testifying. to disclose private conversations. and i hope that we have but here's the bigger question, you would think we've seen all soundbytes, good headlines, and along the president's private attorneys said yes, we will have good sub parts in that sdumt, a executive privilege in looking and if mueller says yes a at this report before it gets foreign power did intervene on
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behalf of the president of the out. but the bottom line is this united states, that is a powerful statement, i don't know reported been taken positive by what they think they're going to the president so it's better to let the whole thing come out and pull the wool over people's move on rather than litigate any eyes, but that will come out, further and keep attention on it. >> the reason for the line of and whether or not his people believe it, whether or not questioning, peter, to make this information people report it, in clear for our viewers is your papers reported don mcgahn, the history he will go down as the former white house counsel, president that was elected by a spent more than 30 hours with robert mueller. if we're now going to see 400 hostile foreign government. >> that is pe verse. pages and the obstruction part of that investigation did not exonerate the obstruction, i she not just trying to undermine imagine somebody put those dots together before little old me and thought we don't want anyone to see that. peter and julia, two of the best that russia did interfere, but reporters on the beat. he is trying to use it to if you learn anything new in the next 36 minutes, jump back in undercut the credibility of the front of your cameras. press and the credibility of we'll be here. members of congress, and that is thank you for your reporting. after the break, more on like lasting damage to this breaking news and what democracy. we're learning from the attorney >> you would also they first of general about robert mueller's all we know that he is such a report. don't go anywhere. ere. ♪ i can really move ♪ ♪ do you love me? ♪ i'm in the groove ♪ now do you love me? himself. so long as i'm cool, forget that
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♪ do you love me now that i can dance? ♪ they interfered with the election. applebee's 3 course meal. but you would think barr would now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. say, as the ahead of the justice [zara larsson - "wow"] department, we have an election ♪ coming and we have to do something about it. ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ you would they trump, as president, would say this is ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ outrageous, i'm clear but let's ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪ do something about it. the fact that they're saying there is something there that we don't know, they trying to get away with something, i don't care what they appear to say, the only way you do that is if you got blueberry pie on your face and you told mama you didn't eat the blueberry pie. you're getting away with something here. why would you outrage they're established there was interference by an american adversary. >> and this is a question that even trump allies said to me that democrats and republicans could get around. the findings that can be shared around the counter intelligence this and even this.hark, i deep clean messes like this. but i don't have to clean this, investigation, and if they don't, and republicans continue
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because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, to be uninterested in, and while i clean. - [announcer] shark, blinded by the new strain on the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. national security which is this can we talk? we used to play so beautifully together. piz cigar pu now we can barely play anything... bizarre, putin loving, colluding even cards with the girls. wear fixation with russia, then if you have bent fingers, and can't lay your hand flat, the republican party will have died in this undertaking. talk to your doctor. it may be dupuytren's contracture. >> the irony of this, nicole, your hand is talking. isn't it time you listened? admitting and conceding that there are nonsurgical options. take the first step. russia meddled in the election to the degree they did and learn more about dupuytren's. at delegitimatizes the president from their own party. ♪ the refusal of that would ultimately lead to them losing at to cover the essentialsyou have in retirement, the election. as well as all the things you want to do. because perhaps putin decides he because when you're ready for what comes next, didn't want trump any more and he will throw his weight behind the only direction is forward. the democratic nominee. they don't get that, they can't step back and see that russia is all about showing discord and chaos. it is not necessarily about getting their man, trump in, it
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is about messing with us as a society. there should be bipartisan support, next time it won't go in their favor. >> frank, let me ask you to put a button on where this week ended. it started on monday with everyone digesting the summary for five days, and still today right now that is all we have seen from what we thought was walled off from politics and investigation, we're going to see it pretty soon. >> so the weeks ending with more questions than answers, but we have a promise and a date, almost date certain, that we will see a report that the it will be largely unredacted but still many many mysteries about what we're going to be allowed to see and what we're not. >> you're all national treasures, to my guests, thank you all for watching, that does it for our hour "mtp daily" starts now with katy tur.
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>> stop being so nice to me, it's making me uncomfortable. >> just look at twitter. >> that's true. >> not you, me. >> that will take me down a notch very easily. happy friday to you, if it is friday we just got a letter. the first order of business is to release the report. >> what we got was a four-page distillation by a political appointee of the president. i'm katy tur in here for >> we need the report. we need the backup. we need to have everything in front of us to do our own due diligence. chuck todd. >> it's unbelievable to me it's in the last 90 minute, bill barr not been made public. >> i will say again, no, thank updated congress on a number of you, mr. attorney general. we do not need your issues interpretation. show us -- show us the report. >> we need to see the whole 300-plus pages, the four-page barr report is not what the american people want. they want the mueller report. they don't want a cliff notes
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version. >> a week of pressure like that from the democrats for the full release of robert mueller's investigation. today a response from attorney general william barr, who promises to release mueller's report with redactions by mid-april, if not sooner. joining us now is former white house communications director for president obama, reverend sharpton, and opinion writer from "the washington post" and msnbc contributor jennifer rubin. heidi, frank and joyce are all here as well. jen, i wonder if the democrats, i feel like they've been so well served by nancy pelosi's leadership by taking impeachment off the table, that's not what any of this was about, by her words which were sharp but not hyperbolic. the only person swearing in public is the president of the united states this week, not the democrats who were stonewalled for the first week of the mueller report being completed. what has she contributed to bring us to where we are today? >> i think that this is why you
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want someone with a lot of experience as the third highest ranking person serving in our government. and i think there's a lot of people in my party who think maybe the democrats should, you know, push for the report and not have the democrats in congress be too aggressive on followup that's going to happen from the report. but i think they really have to because that is -- some people think it's better to focus on health care and that's a better issue for us, because we don't care about russia. but this is a really important moment andin the constitution, accountable, hold the president of the united states accountable. >> and walking and chewing gum is what could distinguish the democrats from. >> yes, that's what you see on the intelligence committee. this is not time to -- when we have obstruction in plain sight with the new attorney general, who was selected probably
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because he wrote an 18-page report about how the president of the united states could not commit obstruction of justice, and then has a report/letter that comes out saying guess what, he didn't commit obstruction of justice, democrats need to take their job seriously and try to re-establish norms. it's the most frightening thing that's happening right now. >> and this is a moment that has a lot of people unsettled. there were expectations that because so much of the obstruction of justice took place in plain sight, and none of that is classified, none of that would have been part of the counterintelligence investigation. a decision was made to charge a sitting president. there was consternation, i think the calls of a cover-up were largely around information i thought could have come out the day the report was finished. >> it's a lot of consternation which is why i think you said it right, democrats should and have
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since they saw the report walk and chew kbum at the same tigum. i think nancy pelosi saying before she even saw the report, and william barr saying i will give the report, may not be april 2 but mid-april, they're playing chess and the president is playing checkers. in that report, they can say -- mr. mueller can say there was a lot of unethical, inappropriate but i don't know if it reached the level of criminality and obstruction may have done that but the justice department has to tell me i can indict because that line he addresses on obstruction, he says i'm not absolving them. >> he says, i do not exonerate. >> i do not exonerate. >> and that's one of the few quotes. of all of the complete sentences i wish we could see that sentence begins with that. let me get democratic congressman eric swalwell into the conversation. i want to ask you something
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someone one of the committees serve on which you sit, mr. nadler, saying he should work with us to request a court order to release any and all grand jury information to the house judiciary committee. as has occurred in every similar investigation in the past. it seems chairman nadler was prepared for a less than completely forthcoming first offer from attorney general barr. your thoughts? >> thank you, and good evening, nicolle. i support that and it's also in line of what happened during the watergate era, which is the grand jury materials were presented to the public. the public interest in so high here, we're talking about the president of the united states, the most serious investigation any president has ever been under, and just bury that beneath the earth and never have
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to hear about it again would deprive us if there are national security risks with how close he threw us to the russians. also there are reforms to put in place so this doesn't happen again. if he was cleared of wrongdoing, if there's wrongdoing or vulnerabilities in our democracy, the woeonly way to t action is if the congress of the other party knows. >> and congressman shift made kno schiff made known yesterday to him and most persons it's not okay the son of a presidential candidate says if it's what you say it is, russia, i love it. is this conduct still of grave national importance to you and your committee? >> it is, nicolle. on the intelligence committee, we want to know whether any americans sought to work with russians or are compromised by the russians on a way that does not rise to criminal activity. also just because we cannot
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imagine any type of wrongdoing and write a criminal law for it doesn't mean it makes less sense. the only way to go forward is put in place a new law. i will give an example, i will written a law called duty to report that says if you're a federal officeholder or candidate, you or your campaign are approached with elicitly obtained material, you have to tell the fbi. we learned during the investigation so many people were approached by the russian government and didn't tell anyone. we all agree there should be an urgency on the campaign to do that. i think the only way to go forward is understand fully what mr. mueller found in his investigation. >> somebody who worked on three campaigns, i find it tragic you need a law like that. but let me read you one of the four categories of information, you're not going to get, at
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least in attorney general william barr's first offering to you. one is rules of subject to the criminal procedure, that sounds like grand jury information, is that right? >> yes. >> next is material the intelligence community compromised sources and methods. i was around a lot of fights for information like that around the war on terror, wars in iraq and afghanistan. i know there's a way for you all in closed session and private ways to see that. is that the kind of information you will fight to see so understand the intelligence assessment? >> yes. and that's another statement i would agree with attorney general barr may not come to light but there still should be oversight with congressional leaders and both parties should understand if there is sensitive national security material. the other areas, grand jury material or material that may hurt reputations, i think the public interest outweighs any concerns the attorney general has. >> that was the fourth one i wanted ask you about,
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information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interest of peripheral third parties. who's peripheral here? >> i will tell you who is not, donald trump jr., eric kirschner, i do not consider them peripheral. if it's information to protect them, we will fight to see it. now, if this is someone, a assistant who was interviewed and asked questions about their boss and provided helpful information, i can understand why he may want to redact that person's name and identifying information. but if we're talking about the president's businesses, his campaign aides, and contacts they had with the russians, i think we want to know about it. >> he's in front of you, in front of your committee on may 2. what's your first question to attorney general william barr? >> my first question for mr.
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barr would be does mr. mueller agree with every word in the four-page letter that you sent to congress? and if he doesn't, let's start there because i am concerned, especially on mr. barr saying that there is no collusion or no coordination or conspiracy. i think mr. mueller probably would tell us that there's no conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt but there was certainly evidence of it because we've seen in plain sight what the meetings of trump tower, the candidates asking the russians to impact the areas that moscow would no disclose. there was certain evidence of collusion so i would like to hear from mr. barr and mr. mueller disagree. >> eric swalwell, thank you for joining us. i'm very grateful. >> sure, nicolle. i will stop feeling sad we need a law now so people who work on presidential campaigns
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call law enforcement when hostile american adversaries call and offer them dirt on their opponent but is this where we are? >> apparently now, at least with this president. that is the sort of thing i think we need mueller to tell us. there's something other than being a conspirator. it's being a dupe. it's being a pawn of a foreign government. it's allowing a foreign government to get leverage of an american candidate by doing something else, lying to the business adversarial of the president of the united states. they could well conclude trump was com was compromised. i will say this about the letter, this strikes me as a cya that for a week
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