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melber. how are you? >> i'm doing great. we have a big show. nice to see you, as always. >> you got it. enjoy the show. >> thank you. tonight donald trump's attorney general william barr blown back a deadline that tees up a major fight with a top law maker on this issue, house judiciary chairman jerrold nadler. we begin with overseeing the doj and leading the fight, chairman nadler. given all the news, i want to get right to you. thank you for coming on "the beat. request itself. >> thank you for having me. >> you run the judiciary committee. attorney general barr missed your deadline, how will you respond? >> we noticed a mark up, we are having a markup tomorrow in which we will vote to authorize to issue subpoenas, subpoenas for their, the mueller report and the underlying materials and to various documents of five
other people. >> you are going right to it. if you win that vote i think you expect to when might you actually issue the subpoena for the report or for those individuals? >> well, we will, for the individuals we'll probably issue them right away. but for the report and the underlying materials, we'll work with the attorney general for a short period of time to get the report. now, he has said he will release it within by the middle of the month, which is two weeks so that's not really the issue. the real issue is we want to see the entire report, not a redacted version and all the underlying materials. >> i understand tomorrow you immediately move forward on issuing the actual subpoenas for those five people your committee has identified? >> shortly. >> shortly thereafter, where as the other subpoena, the short subpoena you use that as a planned leverage to see what he does with the redactions? >> well, it's to authorize us to negotiate withle and not to negotiate with him, to work with him and to minimize the
redactions and we'll use the suspense as necessary to make sure we get the whole report and all the underlying document itself. >> understood. that sounds like some legal muscle. i want to get into the redactions with you. it seems to be where you and other experts this whole fight is heading. before we do i want to give you the benefit of responding, to what i know you are aware of. the president claiming this isn't about the substance of the report but a kind of an old beef between the two of you. take a listen. >> nothing you give them, whether it's shifty schiff or jerry nadler, who i have known, he has been fighting me for half of my life in manhattan and i was very successful, thank you. but nadler has been fighting me for years and years in manhattan. it's a 400 page report. right? we could give them 800 pages and it wouldn't be enough. >> mr. chairman, have you been fighting with mr. trump for years? what is your response to the core accusation that this is about that and not the
substance? >> that's absurd. the president is very small minded. yes, we had clashes about some developments on the west side of manhattan, many years ago. but so what. what's relevant now is that i'm the chairman of the judiciary committee. and we have a job to do, which is to protect the rule of law against that obstruction of justice and abuses of power and personal enrichment and we have to do that job. and the fact is, there was an investigation for 22 months, and now the attorney general if four days, an attorney general who you a digged for his job by writing essentially the investigation was wrong in itself and that a president could never commit obstruction of justice, which is an extreme view and so he's not the proper person to oversee this or to decide what gets public and we have to see all the material and the underlying, to see the
report and the underlying do you means to protect the republican and the rule of law. remember, however the president may characterize the mueller report, the mueller report, according to what barr said, because we haven't seen the report found wrong-doing and that we don't even know, that it's not public. and found a lot of very serious things. and the special prosecutor said that he couldn't rule in or out. he couldn't exonerate the president of obstruction of justice. so barr took it upon himself to do that. >> right. >> that's not the job of the attorney general, who is after all a political appointee of the president and the justice department cannot hold the president accountable. both because of their doctrine that you can never indict a sitting president and because bar's memo that said the president could not commit obstruction of justice, so congress must hold the president
accountable. to do that, we need all this information. >> mr. chairman, you seen all the information. this seems to be where the fight is going. as you say, many in america waiting to find out what mueller found. you posed a question that senator feinstein read at mr. barr's confirmation hearing about transparent sichlt let's take a loose, it's so central now at that brief exchange. >> i have two questions from the chairman of the house judiciary committee. will you compl it to making any report mueller produces at the conclusion of his investigation available to congress and to the public? >> as i said in my statement, i am going to make as much information available as i can consistent with the rules and regulations that are part of the special counsel regulations. >> it seems that with your coordination with senator feinstein, you got him on the record on a standard. so i want to get into this with you i think our viewers are
interested whether or not we put up on the screen the four redaction material categories that he proposes to fit his standards. he says that he's now made it four grand jury intelligence, open investigations and what he calls matters that impact the privacy and reputation of quote peripheral third parties. in your view, has he gone now and partly failed the standard that he committed to under oath, which was the rules or do you think the rules do require these four categories of redactions? >> first of all, the rules are regulations of the department, itself. which he can change as his whim. second of all, more important, it's a meaningless statement. he said he would release to the public everything he could but he reserves to himself the right to make those judgments. he put into the letter to me these four categories, all four categories, there is ample precedent and precedent for releasing all this information
of all these categories to congress and that's what we're asking. we have to see this information to protect the american people and it has to be the congressional judgment. for example, the congress knows how to handle classified information. congress can very well handle and has handle succeed information. in every previous analogous situation, whether it was jaworski in the nixon area or kenneth starer or the ian contra -- -- iran contra, congress has received this sort of thing. >> do you think she hiding behind the rules for wider redactions he may want to make? >> absolutely. he's hiding behind the rules and the redactions. listen, he auditioned for this job. remember, the president got rid of sessions as attorney general because he wouldn't protect him. he fired comey because he
wouldn't protect him and give him the loyalty he wanted. he tried to fire mueller. he clearly wanted and he said he wanted an attorney general who would be his cohen to protect him personally. barr wrote that 19-page memo in which he said a president could never be guilty of obstruction of justice, because the president period could be no matter what he did. so he was chosen. he is the president's act. he is not in a position to make independent judgments that the public can trust. >> so let me ask you, mr. chairman, since you make the historical comparison, i earlier played you a rather non-substantive argument from t the sitting president and you rebutted it. i want to play a more substantive argument that doesn't come from president trump but his lawyer and chief of staff where they say basically you might be right that that's the way it used to be. but the rules have changed and
they do give the ag more power. i know being the constitutional expert you are familiar with this. for everyone i will replay the rebuttal. take a look. >> the special counsel reports to the attorney general of the united states. that's different. there is a specific regulation that governs what confidential report is delivered not to the united states congress but a report that first goes from the special counsel to the attorney general. >> mr. barr gets to hand him this that's how the law works. >> are they wrong? >> they are right and they are wrong. that's how the regulations work. but congress still has the constitutional responsibility of protecting the rule of law of protecting against abuses of power on the part of the executive and the president, protecting against obstruction of justice, not necessarily criminal obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice in the normal sense of the word. for that we need this
information and congress has a right to get this information in order to protect the american public and to do our job. now, we should make as much of that as possible public, but we know how to hand him. congress knows hoy to handle classified information, knows how to handle other information and, for example, his largest category probably is information that might be deleterious -- >> to reputations, yeah. >> to third parties. well, that's a consideration. but a bigger consideration is the protection of the public in an issue of such public interests and importance. >> and you spoke to the attorney general -- >> and courts have ruled in that way. >> when you spoke to him last week, did he define what peripheral third party means? >> no, we got that letter shortly after that conversation. he did not define that.
he cannot be allowed to define it for himself. congress has to see all this information. we can make those determinations, that's our job. remember the department of justice both because of its doctrine, its opinion that a president can never be indicted and frankly because of the attorney general's memo that says a president can't commit obstruction of justice by definition cannot hold the president accountable. >> right. >> the only institution that can hold the president accountable is congress. we have a constitutional responsibility to do that and the constitution and the public depends on to us do that. that's why it is important for the public welfare that all this information be shared with congress as it has been in every previous instance. >> well, it's interesting to hear you put it that way. when we had the president's lawyer mr. sekulow on. we had that exchange. he talked about that other law sunset. we went back and forth. the constitution didn't sunset. i want to read you another thing
and we will continue. mr. chairman, we observe in one letter you wrote to the doj before the mueller report come out, you referred to basically the declanation decisions, you referred to the idea that basically there is a question about whether mueller tells barr, who he charged and didn'ted and then do you guy -- and didn't charge and then you guys learn about that in your view, has barr satisfied that? has he relayed that to you? should he, a list of people who were not charged? >> well, he certainly hasn't related that to us. yes, that is a part of the regulation as a part of the minimal thing he has to tell congress. he can tell congress a lot more, obviously. but again, remember the key issue here. the key issue is is that the mueller investigation took 22 months. barr summarized it or issued his outline of it after four days.
he is an interested part. he's a political appointee of the president. we cannot trust the disinterestedness of his analysis to protect the public and to protect the rule of law, we must have this information. we must have the entire mueller report and the underlying documents. >> right. >> it's as simple as that. >> lastly, before i go, i want to play a little into our way back machine. we talk a lot about the history and this is something we found where you were talking about a situation in the star example where they had shipped over as you are demanding now, all of the everyday and there was a debate over the timing over what congress might redact. let's take a look. >> this was a rush over the weekend and what was the rush? there was certainly not enough time even to discuss adequately the proposed redactions. for example, the democratic staff proposed 27 redactions
that the republican staff didn't agree to. >> in your view, what is important about that example? that was a debate about both timing. you used the word rushed and who makes the redactions in that instance, congress? >> no, it's a more fundamental debate. it's being used hypocriticalically by the white house now to say, hey, haven't you changed your mind? and in those days you wanted redactions, now you don't. then the entire 445-page starr report had been shipped over to congress, with all the supporting documentation. congress had everything and the question was, how much of that was going to be made public and what had to be redacted to protect individuals or whatever in terms of the public. congress had earning and congress was going to make that decision. we are demanding the same thing. we are demanding that congress get all this material and congress can decide. >> right. >> if any of it has to be withheld. >> that had already been done. so it wasn't up for discussion. >> when you put it like that, mr. chairman, it makes it sound
like congress can make that decision again, if the report is so good for the president. are why the appointees fightinging so hard to redact it? >> that's exactly right. if you want to be cynic am. if the report is good for the president, they'll release it. they'll release it to congress and they'll release it publicly. if the report is very bad for the president, they won't do that. they will try to hide it. we know that there are things, we know because barr said so, that there were negative actions, criminal actions that the public doesn't know about cited in mueller's report. we know that mueller did not make a recommendation as to whether the obstruction of justice rose to a criminal level or not. barr made that. that's not his decision to make. but again, 20 years ago, all the entire report and all the material was given to congress. that's what we are asking for
now. >> chairman nadler, as you prepare to embark on the rest of this legal sparring and issuing as you say, the vote to authorize subpoenas tomorrow, i appreciate you coming on "the beat" to share your views tonight. >> thank you for having many e. >> thank you, sir. we turn now for reaction from david korn. david, what jumps out to you both what the arguments make and what it means to have the democrats moving forward on a subpoena tomorrow? >> well, i think the subpoena issue will probably work itself out in some way over the course of the next few weeks. i mean, if they have to rely on the subpoena. it could end up going all the way up to the supreme court if the white house and bill barr just say no and refuse it. to me, an interesting point here is whether or not there are redactions, whether barr tries to redact portions of this either forelegitimate or illegitimate reasons. the argument that congress should see all of it so they can
evaluate the redactions is to me really important and that you know you talk about checks and balances and the vetting process here. and making sure that barr's not doing anything under the table. because there is a lot of reasons to be suspicious of his role in all this. being able to get eyes on the full report and look at the grand jury material, look at the classified material. even if in some sort of classified setting, i think is key if there are significant redactions. >> take a listen to what donald trump said outlining his defense on all this today. >> well, i think it's ridiculous and the attorney general now and the deputy attorney general ruled no obstruction. they said no obstruction. and so there is no collusion. there is no obstruction and now we're going to start this process all over again, i think it's a disgrace. >> do you see any tells there in the way he's outlining his legal defense? >> everything with trump is a
tell in a way. i mean, he said not too long ago that he thought the report should just be released. now he's not in favor of that why? you know, does he know what's in it or is he scared about what's in it? the bottom line here is whether there was collusion or not. he engaged in very suspicious activity during the campaign. >> there was not chargeable conspiracy. >> right, whether there was a conspiracy, criminal conspiracy or not. direct collusion, whatever you want to call it. he was still engaged if suspicious activity denying a russian attack was under way when it was under way, having key people in the campaign while the attack was under way. if there is no direct conspiracy, those are the things that presumably mueller investigated, if not, congress should do that that's the american public deserve itself more answers than trump has been willing to provide. >> well, we had the judiciary chairman driving this fight and breaking some news tonight,
david corn with expert reaction. thank you as always. >> sure thing. coming up, donald trump retreating on a key policy issue of obamacare which, of course, tees it up for the next presidential election. senator angus king on "the beat" democrats authorizing subpoenas separately into the white house security clearance saga, jared kushner also making a rare public appearance on fox news. >> do you pose a grave national security concern to the country, jared kushner? >> we'll bring you that answer and a lot more. michael cohen's lawyer is speaking out, the first tv interview since the mueller probe ended. we will get into it and later developments to show you where 2020 is headed. we have the metrix that may be the key to the race. all that ahead, i'm ari melber. you are watching "the beat." i mr you are watching "the beat."
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>> can you guarantee if you succeed if court all those tens of millions that have health coverage guaranteed because of obamacare will not lose their coverage. >> yes. >> that kwi quick yes turns out to be impossible to guarantee. the trump administration has not even introduce'd plan, which is what you need under any kind of guarantee. as for the legal attack, two attorney generals also breaking with the president saying that as a legal matter the courts should preserve the current law. i am joined now by angus king, who serves on the intelligence committee which is much in the news these days. thanks for joining me. what do you make of the president changing gears on obamacare? >> well, it's political and policy malpractice, ari. number one, he's talking about well, he's not going to give us a plan, but the department of justice is still in court asking the judicial system to declare
the whole law unconstitutional and throw the whole thing out. so that's the play right now is they want to eliminate the affordable care act entirely and the admission today is we don't have a plan for what to do. and what really bothers me about this, this isn't a political issue. this is a people issue. i got 70,000 people on the obamacare exchanges. i got another 70,000 who are about to become eligible for medicaid expansion. that's a lot of people in my state. these are real lives at stake and for them to, for him to now say, well, we're going to have this beautiful, wonderful plan. it will lower premiums and deductibles, i will them what you it is after the election, ari, i'm old enough to remember richard nixon's secret plan to end the vietnam. the vietnam ended seven years after his election. i don't buy this secret invisible plan. >> senator, i'm old enough to remember studying richard nixon in school.
>> yeah, well, thank you for that. but i take your point about these kind of kick the can down the road promises. you said this affects real people. we don't usually bring up people's medical conditions, because you brought it up on behalf of the law, i thought that was interesting. i am reading from something you said if it weren't for insurance and the aca and a great team of doctors, i'll not sure i'd have this story to tell, speaking about your battle with cancer. walk us through why as a politician that you wanted to share that, what that means to you? >> reporte . >> well, because insurance saves lives. i've had two brushes with cancer in my life. my first one was 40 years ago, because i had insurance as a part of it a free check-up. i went in, they discovered i had something called malignant mel la no ma. i had surgery, here i am 44
years later. a thing happened on a routine check-up. i found out i had prostate cancer. free check-ups are a part of the affordable care act. i wouldn't be here, cancer is a treatable disease only if it's caught if time. there are numerous studies and statistics that show that the more people who have since you cut premature mortality and this is very real to me and it's real to my people in maine. >> and are you keeping it real. this is very important for us to remember what goes on in that building where you are, where you exert this national legislative power affects people's lives as you say it, if in your view, the president is basically being political about obamacare or healthcare, aca, whatever you want to call it, that is a long ways from the obligation to look after people's public health and safety. while i have you as i mentioned on intelligence, i did want to
get your response on another big issue. take a listen to a man in the bulls eye of a knenepotistic scandal. >> we got a lot of crazy accusations like we clued with russia. i complied with all the different investigations, whether it be the senate, the house, the special counsel, i've sat for nearly 20 hours of interviews with them. >> what is your view of the security clearance issue, do you see it over with him? he makes the point he cooperated lawfully. the probe ended without a charge against him or his family or anything like that. go ahead. >> well, that's apples and oranges, the problem with his security clearance as i understand it was contact with foreign governments. it may not have had anything to do with russia. the same thing, here's the problem, ari. when you do a security clearance, it's very unlikely you will find somebody that is a spy. what you are looking for is something in their personal life, a great deal of debt.
a marital infidelity that can be used or contact with foreign governments or officials. any of which can be used to blackmail the person and turn them into an agent. what's what the security process looks at. we have learned over the weekend that from a career professional that 25 people in this white house basically they overrode the recommendations of the professionals, gave out the security clearances anyway and listen, i met with a group of bankers today. banks all over the country are being -- they try, they're being attacked all the tie by hackers and the white house is you know the central place to try to attack our country. there was just someone arrested at mar-a-lago with malware on a thumb drive. so this is not an insignificant colonel. i heard this morning, somebody said, well, it was a custodian. a custodian might find things in the trash can or see something on the desk they take a picture
of. the point is this is the highest level of national security in our country at the white house. it's not something to be just blown by because you like the person or they're nice guys or they worked in your campaign. >> right. you lay you the stakes pretty well. i know it's a big issue on the intelligence committee. thank you for coming on "the beat." >> we have a lot more on what michael cohen plans to do about this report. his legal adviser lanny davis is here toorpt. first, jared and ivanka have big problems according to numbers, likability. we are back in 30 seconds. o num, likability we are back in 30 seconds. as well as all the things you want to do. because when you're ready for what comes next, the only direction is forward.
the house oversight committee is voting for subpoenas on the white house security debacle. they may subpoena jared kushner and ivanka trump. kushner has been breaking his silence as you know he's rarely heard from. he went on fox news to address the worries about this white house whistle blower and concerns about his security clearance calling some of the objections quote crazy. he was, of course, tapped by his own father-in-law, a senior white house aid. his responsibilities range, there is middle east peace, solving the opioid epidemic. there is fixing the way the federal government works. kushner, though, says most of these things outside of the media spotlight. we do know he has spoken with mueller's team.
we don't know if he or his wife's name is in the mueller report. they may be in the clear on an of that stuff. they may be in the reports, these big families in the white house in public opinion. the "new york times" obtained escore polling with numbers on both of them. it basically features likability to find out which appeal to audiences, the time is right. 12% of people say ivanka has strong positive appeal. jared falling to a low 6% of strong positive. 36% say strong negative. the highest things are on poll tag matters in politics, people finding him to be insincere, creepy, and a weird one overexposed because he doesn't do a lot of interviews, someone may have missed the full report. >> he got through with flying colors, people believe conservative and middle in the middle, jared kushner.
jared. he did not want me to do that. because i saw this beautiful line and he didn't want it. but other people did. they insisted that i do it. it was real easy. >> i am joined by from the power up newsletter and the author of the right book for this discussion, kushner inc., all about both of them. >> thanks for having me. >>. >> vicki, does it surprise you to see such a negative set of associations the public has with these two? >> well, i think it's sort of the beginning of the unmasking. right, after this couple. when they went into the administration i think the perception of them was very different. right? everyone hoped they were going to be a moderating influence a sort of moral center. but what's interesting about these figures, by the way, the president will really pay attention to this, i know, i have been if private meetings
with him before he goes to officer. he pay ace tension to this kind-of-sthuf. >> this stuff? >> he used to brag about his q ratings, so what's interesting, the central theme of my book, they're not what they seem. they're in disguise, that's what makes them so dangerous. it seems like the disguise is coming offer, right? >> the mask is falling. >> the mask is falling. >> why? >> well, exhibit a was last night when jared gave the interview to lara ingram, she did the country unintentionally a great public service with that interview, the idea that he would call a 400-page mueller report nonsense. the idea that he would laugh about the idea that all our security agencies do not think that he should have a security clearance because of his conflicts of interest and his debts. >> do you think this to use a somewhat british term this riskable approach to the interview questions is the mask falling because it's not a good
look? >> i think it's a terrible look. i think whoever advised him to go and do that interview on the same day congress said they were going to issue subpoenas into his security clearance should be fired that is a classic example of jared's appalling judgment. >> jackie, you hear vicki saying that this is about the mask falling. or to paraphrase the rapper future, who was very knowledgeable about trump white house issues the mask off. let's blai play so it everyone is on the same page. he was the jared kushner clip. >> i can't comment for the white house' process. i have been accused of all different types of things and all those things have turned out to be false. when i came to washington, i had a very successful business career. >> do you pose a grave national security concern to the country here, jared kushner? >> because of the president's leadership, the world is safer today. >> what is your assessment of that and the argument that putting aside style, these
individuals have not been wrapped up in problems in the mueller report as far as we know thus far. they haven't been charged and they're trying to get back on a different footing? . >> i think vicki is exactly right. jared's response to laura ingram, who might well be an extension of the white house in terms of providing a defense for a lot of members of the administration was telling, laughing in response to you know serving potentially acting as a national security threat is a response i think that indicates this idea that jared and ivanka you know view themselves in a different light. >> that they, you know, they do not have to adhere to the same standard as the rest of the administration and the rest of the america quite frankly. i think what you saw jared kushner doing is utilizing barr's summary of the mueller report in an exploitative way similar to the way the president has been using it, which is using it as a blanket excuse to exonerate himself from a lot of different issues that cropped up before the mueller report was in
the conversation. right? and nationals, the issue of security clearance has been written about since 2017 and it again is exemplary of how jared and ican vanka have a different of standards the president treats them by and they treat themselves by in this white house. >> vicki, i heard you wanted to do more of the e-score polling. is that right? . well. on the radio -- rating of kushner as quote exciting? 1%. glamorous 1%. emotional, all human beingings, fact check have emotions, only 1% there. what does that tell you? >> i mean he is famous for that, right, for having this very calm i think michael cohen in my book said he's flatter than an ekg, a flatline. but in a way, that's all a mask. i mean, what i share in the book
that there are certain things that jared can get really worked up about. i mean, one of them was that trump needed to fire james comey when it was convenient for jared. >> do you think there will be evidence of that in the mueller report based on your reporting? . >> i think there should be. >> you think there should be. >> whether there will be. >> i go es the question is whether mueller's investigators could report as good as you if you have it. >> exactly. correct. >> we don't know. we like to say around here, what we don't know, we don't know. my thanks to both of you for being in this discussion. up ahead as promised, michael cohen is tonight still working with the new york feds. what does mueller think about the mueller report and the findings discussed all week and personal redactions that affect cohen. i can tell you his legal adviser lanny davis here to answer all next. adviser lanny davis here to answer all next congestion and pressure?
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michael cohen has not spoken publicly since the end of the mueller probe. his legal team has been quite tight lipped. his adviser lanny davis no stranger to the camera when warranted has yet to give a single television interview until tonight. i'm happy to say he's with me exclusively. his client could be central to mueller's report. we know he was the next to last person charged in the probe for lying to congress. it was two months later, roger stone was indicted and we know trump tower moscow, that deal during the campaign did not ultimately trigger any conspiracy charges by mueller. we do not know if any other leads provided by cohen can lead to charges in other open cases. lanny davis is my guest tonight. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me, ari. >> when you look at the end of this probe, was your client michael cohen and were you
surpriseed that mueller finished without finding a chargeable conspiracy? >> a bit surprised that he allowed mr. barr to misstate his report without his getting his own characterizations out first. that's what i would have advised him. the misstatement of mr. barr, which is most disappointing for a lawyer with a good reputation is, no, there was no exoneration, indeed, the exact sentence quoted by mr. barr was that there was no exoneration on obstruction. >> on obstruction. >> and we don't know what the level of proof necessary to at least accuse a president of the united states of the crime of clueding with a foreign government and that is a high standard. >> certainly a high standard. let me push you on our learning. you have been close to this we rely on your legal expertise, if a conspiracy involve multiple
people by desks it would have been able to charge other multiple people without the sitting president? >> well, we're going to have to wait for me to answer your question ari, as much as you know i hate to do this. i believe michael cohen has a story to tell about what he told mr. mueller that leads to strong inferences of knowledge about the trump tower meeting, which, by definition, collusion. >> does mr. cohen look at all this as i mentioned him and mr. stone being the last team e people charged, does he feel like with all the other information that's come out about other individuals that in a sense he's holding the short stick here? >> yes. and let me give you three quick answers. one, it's very rare that somebody volunteers to testify before congress laying out documentary evidence of crimes by the president of the united states. the writing of the $35,000 check signed by donald trump is
evidence of a crime of conspiracy to violate, the very crime that the federal prosecutors said was directed by president trump. second, the book that was just published about that testimony lays out the documentation behind mr. cohen's testimony of crimes by the president of the united states before and after his presidency and, finally, his son, along with mr. weiselberg the chief accounting officer, chief financial officer, excuse me, signed a check in march of 2017. mr. trump signed it eight months into his presidency for $35,000. a payment for hush money under a criminal conspiracy. donald, jr., not president. neither is mr. weiselberg. why have they not been indicted? they signed a check -- >> do you think with the
cooperation those are open issues to the fdney? >> there are no questions those are open issues. mr. cohen is fully cooperating with the southern district of new york and opened more information he's discovered when he retrieved back his documents and cell phones, working with congress. >> additional everyday beyond what he lied out in his congressional testimony? >> that is correct. he also has additional information nor the southern district involving criminal behavior that needs to be looked into. trump will have to see. >> let me get you on mr. barr, a fellow member of the bar like yourself in washington, a rarified group. i know you all know each other to some degree. he has language that many people are intrigued by in the latest letter what he'd hold back. he says he would hold back information reacting peripheral third parties in the mueller report. lanny, do you think that could include michael cohen and, number two, if so, would you or your clients say you want to
waive any attempt by mr. bar tore to redact things with mr. mueller? >> i have to speak to mr. cohen, but i would say since mr. cohen has pled guilty to a crime that prosecutors says was directed and controlled by the now president of the united states, who just wrote a hush money payment on national television we saw his signature from his personal account. i would say that mr. barr has a question he should answer. why hasn't mr. trump's son and his chief financial officer been indicted for writing those hush money payments and the cover-up scheme that had michael cohen writing the check for hush money for miss daniels rather than mr. trump. >> you raise a big question, i suppose like a good lawyer, the question you raise is burning heernl, given the financial documentary evidence that you mention mentioned. if it was a crime mr. cohen
confessed and fdney charged, what is the role? they would be misleading the funds for the beneficiary then candidate trump? >> well, that is a question that mystifys me that the american main stream media isn't asking. we put up a check. a president of the united states committing a crime while president and not one republican during the hearing of michael cohen asked about that check. now, don, jr., who is not president, no problem indicting him. mr. weiselberg was given immunity. while mr. cohen was forced to plead guilty for doing what donald trump told him to do, with mr. weiselberg, is that a disparity of justice here? we're working with the southern district. we hope that they will move as aggressively in uncovering the these crimes that michael cohen is presenting them with evidence of. so that at least the american people get to know the truth about a president of the united
states who not only committed fraud and other crimes before he became president, but again, i could ep repeating with total mistification, he wrote a check while he was president implementing a criminal hush money scheme involving an affair with an adult film star. and the government, the prosecutor said, he ordered michael cohen to pay that money to miss daniels and it was a part of a coverup because he would make the payment not trump three days before the election, there is no question there was political motivation making it a crime. >> well, as you say, the.ran through the trump organization as misdescribed corporate funds. the jurisdictions in new york. we will keep reporting on that that's why we try to go back to the sources on both sides of these things, thank you. i will mention your legal work. are you the author of the book "the unmaking of the president 2016." our thanks to lanny.
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