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candidates are getting that done. even though there is no law that forces them to do that. on sunday bernie sanders added something about president trump after he said that he -- bernie sanders said he would be releasing his tax returns after dotting the is and crossing the ts. >> by the way, let me challenge president trump to do the same. trust me we do not have investments investments russia or saudi arabia or can anyplace else. >> but no democratic candidate for president can challenge president trump about releasing his tax returns until that candidate has released ten years of his own tax returns. the time for excuses for this is over. in fact t was over a long time ago. that's tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. ♪ breaking tonight in the "new
york times," some on mueller's team see their findings as more damaging for trump than barr revealed. one is standing by with detail. plus democrats ask the irs for six years of the president's tax returns with a deadline of next wednesday. setting opbattle over some of donald trump's deepest secrets. house intel wants to interview a former confident of melania trump about it the trump inauguration. all off this on a busy wednesday night. ♪ good evening once again from our nbc news head quarters in new york. i'm nicole wallace in for brian williams. day 804 of the trump administration and there's breaking news from the "new york times." stunning report the first window into how some of mueller's
investigators feel about attorney barr's description of their 22-month endeavor says some of mueller's investigators claim their results are more damaging to the president than what's been revealed this far. one of the authors of tonight's piece joins us in a minute. he and his colleagues report some of the investigators quote have told asoegsziates that if attorney general william barr failed to adequately portray their find gsz and more troubling mr. barr indicated. the special counsel's investigators have already written multiple sumries of the report and some team members believe mr. barr should have included some of their material in the letter he wrote march 24th. the officials and others interviewed declined to flush out why some of the special
counsel's findings were viewed as more damaging to the ptds president than mr. barr explained. mr. barr and his advisors have expressed their own frustrations about mr. mueller and his team. mr. barr and other justice department officials believe the special counsel's investigators fell short of their task by declining to decide whether mr. trump it illegally had an inquiry. and they wanted to obtain it the full, unedited mueller reported, including all underlying documents. mr. barr intends to release a redacted version of the mueller report later this month. one of the "new york times" reporter who broke this story, pulitzer prize winning writer for the "new york times."
and joyce vance and jeremy bash, former keef of staff at the cia and pentagon. >> what we're reporting is how there's some dissatisfaction among the mueller team about the fact that barr got a chance to really cast the dye on how the narrative was going to be formed about their investigation. they felt that when the results were going to be out there, when there was a pronouncement from the justice department like barr did right after the report 48 hours, that there would have been some description of what they found and that by allowing barr -- by barr going first and laying this out t it has sort of cemented the way that public may look at what they found and that they really want as much of it out there as possible because
they think that barr has made it appear better than what it really is. remember, when barr comes out and says -- essentially clears the president of any wrong doing, there is not a lot of detail in there about what the investigators found >> what i want to ask is what was barr thinking? but you detail some of what the view is from the attorney general's viewpoint. take us through that. >> caller: there's frustration with mueller. there's a feeling that mueller was there to do two things. investigate whether crimes happened and provide a confidential report to the attorney general. that's trr it. that's all the regulations called for and say. but on the question of obstruction, mueller did not do that. he did not come to a determination and that is
perplexing, obviously to the public that doesn't understand why mueller didn't get there. but also to barr because this has left barr throughout alone to make the call about whether the president broke the law and he doesn't have the top cover of the investigator, the special counsel who was supposed be there follow the facts in a politics free way. that person has talk an pass on whether criminality happen and barr is a presidential appointee and was put there just a few months ago by the president. a sense that maybe it the system here did not work as it was supposed to. >> the boom that's been lowered on washington in your report is that mueller's investigators who have been mute for 22 months. there has been little known of how they view anything were
exasperated or something by what they saw. let me show you what the president has said. starting on march 24th. let me play that. >> it's complete exoneration. no can collusion. no obstruction. >> the mueller ereport was great. it can could not have been better. i will say this our new attorney general, bill barr, is a great gentleman. >> beautiful conclusion. i haven't seen it the report. beautiful conclusion. >> after three years of lies and smears and slander, the russia hoax is finally dead. >> totally finished. no collusion, no obstruction. >> i'm guessing that the mueller investigators don't live in caves and they saw some of that. any sense it was the president's exoneration victory lap that got to them? >> no sense of what actually incited them to do this besides
barr's letter which they felt was too meager and too much of putting his hand down on what he thought was important without showing what they did. but you can't not understand where they're coming from if they see the president out there saying things like that, talking about the beautiful mueller report and such and saying well, maybe it's not as great as the public is making it out to be. maybe there are things there that are problematic that congress should know about. the justice department would say that's not really falling under regulations. and we'ver determined no crimes happened. and there's only one real answerer which is we need see the report. we need to see how big the delta is between what barr said publicly, the impression the public had and what mueller's
findings are. >> you said on the 4:00 today you were sure that the mueller team, at the end of an investigation, because at the end of any investigation, sumries are created. that something existed, that would have allowed attorney general barr to include more than census fragments. there is still all that we have seen from the mueller report are sentence fragments. i imagine how those investigators who kept their mouth shut have summered over the past week or so. >> imagine this large team from analysts to forensic accountants, all remaining silent for two years. not so much as a raised eyebrow finding anything one way or another. while they were being undermined, attacked personally and professionally. now we see for the first time dismade over how this narrative
is being allowed to happen and play out and it clearly conflicts with what they know. and what we're being set up for here is either a political decision or a disagreement on what mueller's mission was. we're hearing that the attorney general is allegedly dismade that mueller didn't make the call, right? but if we're going to find out, perhaps, that mueller's intention all along was to have congress make the call, then we've had them follow the rules and assuming the attorney general would play by the same ruled and he's got a different set of rules. >> you have cautioned us to give attorney general barr the benefit of the it doubt. it would stheem mueller investigators who express
frustrations in this report at least couldn't do that for any longer. what's your sense now on the dye being cast on not just the findings but william barr's leadership at it this incredibly fraught moment? >> it's a difficult point and i was maybe the out liar on this because during the conformation proceedings, i wrote a piece for slate and made the point that because barr had come in under cloud of this memo he wrote where he seemed to pro prejudge the issue of obstruction saying the president couldn't commit obstruction, that it would be difficult to have conflicts in decisions he made down the road and now we're seeing the problem come them to roos. we don't know if he's making principaled decisions. but because he seemed to have prejudged the issues in an effort to get the job in the
first place t will be difficult to have any appreciation for what's really going on here unless the mueller report lay bear and we're given the opportunity to judge it for ourselves. >> take us through. we've been talking around and about the mueller report. what was the obstruction report likely to look like? and i suppose in a russian section as well. what kind of damaging information are we likely to see even if it came short of being something it could charge in a criminal way and being serious enough they wrote in do not exonerate. >> i think on the conspiracy side the predicate is all the it efrlt to attack our lection and all the effort to not offer their insistence and engage the trump campaign but to notify the trump campaign that they were interfering the election and
discuss what they would gt in return, what reward they would reap in terms of relief and other sanction relief we saw the trump administration reward them with. it's not only what we've seen in public and the white house counsel sat for tens of hours with the special counsel's office detailing what the white house, the president did to try undermine the mueller investigation and his team. i thunk we're going to see a heap of evidence that is really it damming about the president's conduct. it's going to appear shameful, potentially unethical. i think that's going to be obviously the eye of the beholder. mueller said no. and bill barr, his summary yielded this inevitable result where you're go doing see a lot of it descent on whether he accurately reflected the mueller findings.
>> there's recording in your piece that draws some lines to the comey handling at the end of the huillary clinton email investigation and there was can concern that there wasn't a crime charged but comey had conduct that was so damaging to the candidacy that a lot of democrats feel that ultimately contributed to her defeat. do you think the people underest mated that simply not being charged with a crime was worthy of a victory tour and exoneration celebration? >> no. and every time i think the president has gone out there the way that he has and said these things about the report and spikes the ball, i can feel his lawyers cringing. because there is this sort of shoe to drop here. it may not be that damaging to the president. but mueller spent a lot of time
on obstruction and whatever he found was so difficult he couldn't come to a determination. there's got to be something there that could be problematic for the president. we're learning whatever is in the report is worse for trump than is currently been stated. so the president on one hand throughout praising mueller and this report and they have to be able to quickly pivot politically and go after mueller and say these were the true angry democrats i said they were all along. no one in politics seems to be more able to do that pivot without really caring what he has said before than the president. so i'm not sure any of this really boxes him in. maybe if you're on the fence and watching you're thinking trump really embraces this and a few weeks from now,en the you know eat the end oof the day whatever
happens, coming out of what mueller found will be based on public opinion. the legal process has said what it will. the president has been cleared there. it will all come down to whether the public is that bothered by it. bottom line. >> and they do show that only people that buy exoneration story and everyone else is at least eager to see the results of the report, see what robert mueller was doing and what the obstruction report says the president did. >> the american people have spoken. they want to see the report. if the president were a corporate ceo, he'd be calling in the damage control team, the pr team and i care deeply about the institution of the justice department. and if he wants to salvage that credibly in the american
people's eyes, he needs release as much of that report as fast as he can before the american public further turns on the justice department and this administration. >> i want to ask if you agree with that assessment. and i want to ask if you think we'll ever learn what was so great that robert mueller insisted do not exonerate. those words were in there. as i understand it's a declination letter. he stopd before he issued any verdict on donald trump's criminality in the obstruction case. will we ever find out what happened from the time the football was handed incomplete to barr and barr exonerated him? >> i suspect we'll get a window into this at some point and the way you lay it out is just right. as a prosecutor your fundamental job is to make decision. do i indict this case or decline
the case? and there are a number of reasons you might. weaker insufficient evidence and that's not what mueller did. instead he did what people have characterized as punting. but what i suspect is far closer to a practical recognition of the the fact that he did not have the power to indict a president because of existing doj pallacy and so he left the decision up to the only body with decision-making power, congress. and that reflects this important truth that the president ignores which is who's the only person arguably above the reach of average prosecutors and only accountable through congress. that's what makes him different. that's what makes it it very likely we will see all of the assessment on this issue regarding obstruction. mueller laze it out on both
sides and says congress, now it's up to you to do your job. >> jeremy, just weigh in on the the president's -- as a criminal. he's individual number one in sdny. again shielded by policy that you can't indict sitting president if he is indeed found to have committed what he is alleged to have can done in the hush money scheme and now conduct so grave that evil within the knowledge he has to live with knowledge you can't indict a sitting president refuses to come to the conclusion not to >> and in addition to your characterization, the bigger issue is he's a risk because obviously the russian federation has leverage over him because of the ties between the russian federation and based on the political leverage they have over somebody. we're celebrating nato and what
better example than the one we have in the white house as someone who's been doing vladimir putin's bidding. he it didn't just wake up one morning and can decide i'm going to be pro-russian. >> our thanks. mike schmidt. joyce vance and jeremy bash. congrats on the scoop to mike in dwa "the times." democrats make it official. they want to look at the trump tax returns and they want them next week. and feds investigating whether china targets mar-a-lago. estitigang whether china targets mar-a-lago na. one of the windiest places in america. na. and home to three bp wind farms. in the off-chance the wind ever stops blowing here... the lights can keep on shining. thanks to our natural gas. a smart partner to renewable energy.
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opening up a new front on their investigation into the president. donald trump's tax returns a request came from democratic congressman of the house, ways and means committee. he's asking for had it president's tax returns from 2013 to 2018. and he wants it all by april 10. that's one week from today. he writes quote consistent with its authority the kmcommittee i considering legislative proposals including but not limited to the extent to come the irs audits and enforces laws against the president. the president learned of the request earlier this evening. >> is that all? usually it's ten. so i guess they're giving up.
we're under audit despite what people said. we're working that out as i'm always under audit it seems. i've been under audit formany years because the numbers are big and i guess when you have a name, you're audited. but until such time as i'm not under audit i would not be inclined to do that. thank you. >> maybe it's because you're shady. candidate trump refused to release his taxes, something other presidential candidates have routinely done. he used that same excuse back then. >> i pay hundreds of mill yngz in taxes but as soon as my routine audit's finishes, i'll release my returns. i'll be proud to. >> it's a routine audit i think but until it's finished, i won't be releasing. i'll release it when the audit's completed.
>> and two of our friends from the "washington post," white house bureau chief who also moderates washington week on pbs. it's hard to watch those clips now without laughing. clearly he will not. and this seems luke a new and different move to get something that donald trump has described as existing beyond his red line. >> i think that's right, nicole. the never ending audit. and it's important to point out the president keeps saying his tax returns are under audit but who's not provided any evidence of the audit. the irs of course wouldn't comment on individual cases. so we're left to guess what might be going on there. it sets up what could potentially be a court fight that could take even years. the expectation among democrats is the president and his
administration will resist this request and it would compel the democrats to pursue a legal challenge and that's why the letter was so carefully worded. >> i have so many questions for you. but i want to start with testimony on this very question. why is the president refused to release his tax returns? >> what the real reason is that the president has refused to release his tax returns? >> statements he said to me is what he didn't want was to have an entire group of think tanks that are tax experts run through his tax return and start rupping it to pieces and then he'll end up in an audit and he'll ultimately have taxable consequences, penalties and so on o. >> i'm not a tax attorney. but i think you only have something ripped to pieces with
taxable consequences and penalties if you've broken tax laws, no? >> looking back at president trump's campaign to 2015, i rrm as a reporter, he and mr. cohen provided the "washington post" at the time with a one-page document a financial summary of his asts and we asked would they be providing a tax return and it talks about his worth, net worth as something very much also involving his brand value, as well as his properties. a tax return would offer much more detail than the one-page summary he offered to the "washington post" and other media outlets at the time and that's something mr. cohen and mr. trump it did not want to do to share the full exit tent of that financial empire that he has in real estate and his different holdings. you see inside the white house
tonight they would like the run against the democrats in the house as over stepping. and oversight on issues like security clearances which does alarm many white house officials privately because it rauzs questions about the president's conduct. >> is there any concern that with questions still looming about conflingts of interest, about jared kushner's background check that knowing where the president's money is coming from and the suz of his wealth, that those questions may be viewed as centr central to his presidency? >> and it's central to learn more about how our elected leaders -- it gives contxt.
if someone talks multiple meetings with a certain ambassador or a major industry in a certain count era. i hear this from voters we talk to on the campaign trail whether it's democrat or republican. what is it the financial status of a politician with regard to that country or that company. it'sall was better to have more information, not less and we've been operating in the dark for so long with president trump's finances on many fronts. >> ygave the perfect summation but on it the political side, are they prepared to continue to can defend president trump's refusal to release his taxes. we hear about how much deceit has gone into his wealth, where his money came from. is there any worry about the
politic shifting underneath them? >> i think bob hit an important point when he said this could be a welcome fright the it president because he has been looking to try to cast house democrats as over reaching, digging into things, trying to obstruct his agenda and look for scandals. that being said this president's financial architecture is incredibly complex, not luke any of his immediate predecessors and there are a lot of dark holes, question marks and this is a subject of intense interest among the public and among the democrats hoping to run against him who would tllike to make an issue out of this. and one of the first big decision going to come to treasury secretary mnuchin and how he respond to the it democrats. what legal arg do they marshal
to keep the president's tax returns in that lock box and how they proceed politically. >> you and i have had many conversations day after day about concerns within the president's innercircle about that obstruction report. news tonight that some of mueller's investigators not happy with how barr described the final conclusions from mueller. >> reflects a lot of the different discussions happening behind the scenes within had the legal community here in washington. people inside the justice department and close to it wondering about that summary from mr. mueller. what was in there about obstruction that mr. barr chose or chose not to include in his letter to congress? you have the mueller team understanding their role. their subordinate to the attorney a general. we could be hearing more especially as congress continues
to press about what did the the mueller team feel was not expressed while still -- >> does this strengthsen the democrat's hands knowing there's disconnect, grumbleing of the very quiet mueller investigators? >> certainly and there could be more in the days to come. we should keep in mind that in a week or two weeks time we're expected to see it the full report units redacted form. i don't know how many redactions the attorneygeneral will make. but there will be a much clearer picture what he dock ymtded, the legal analysis steps he took to arrive at his conclusions and it there's a tremendous danger for the president and his allies and his team that they've spiked this football way too early and this report could be much murkier for him than barr portrayed in that four-page letter. >> multitasking for me. thank you.
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>> i had a brief meeting. gave me a little bit of information. no, i'm not concerned at all. we have very good control and it's getting better in cyber -- frankly what woor arer doing with cyber is a story in itself. i think that was a fluke situation. >> fluke. he seemed to dismiss concerns that a woman was able to enter his mar-a-lago oestate while he was out golfing. she identified herself and said she was there to use a pool and attend an event. noogt neither story held up. she was arrested carrying four cell phones and malware. she wasn't carrying a bathing suit to the trip to the pool. the "washington post" reports they want the fbi to determ wln the facilities and equipment president trump uses to access
classified information are vulnerable and trump will meet tomorrow. still with us. jeremy, this seems like the kind of story that everyone can understand. we throw around the word skip where you are view classified information. but everyone can be reminded of the information of donald trump while the country was ordering air strikes against syria. and now the chinese to infiltrate mar-a-lago. >> the president is hosting a meeting with a chinese official. and there's talk the president would host xi jinping down in mar-a-lago. it looks like an effort to run a
technical operation where they send in an agent to possibly implant malicious keyed in the communications network. to gain an upper hand. this is very troubling and i think it's part of the fact the president is basically auctioning off access to residents which is dangerous to national security. >> we heard this first in the "new york times" and then during the 4:00 p.m. hour that there is a federal investigation into what jeremy is talking about. talk about that. >> not surprising. >> he insist said on environment where people can come and go
frequently it's a for-profit club. it must dliev security apparatuses around him crazy and that foreign adversaries of all stripes must be trying to penetrate and see if they can get off shore on water, guests inside, get invitations to events and now this extremely odd incident. they typically are very persistent. right before a particular targeted event to get in there and penetrate. this is extremely brazen and if indeed this was part of a larger operation, they've treated this woman as annex pendable. she's a caught and may not fully understand what she was being task tootd do but are that equipment, the malware found. we need know oo whole lot
morabout that. we have a president that continues to use his personal cell phone to conduct government business. he ignored security clearance recommendations. the security around him is very, very vulnerable. >> because of practices and behavior and gaps i assume the president doesn't let security professionals close for hum and vulnerable by design. you see the president kicking american officials out of one on one meetings with the dictator of north korea. all five meetings with vladimir putin. we see breach after breach. the president over ruling a cia flag on his son in law. is it more than just incompetent practices? is it more than just a fail dwroier to understand how sacred national security is?
>> he thinks they're just bothersome and they're harassing him as part of a deep state effort. what he doesn't realize is those officers who are part of our security, are duty bound, sworn to protect our nation and are doing it for the benefit of all of us. so when the president engages with trade talks, he's doing it on behalf of all the american people, not just him as financial cronies and for him that the chinese not have an upper hand. that it appears because of lack security procedures they might. >> we learned not long ago a counterintelligence investigation was opened into the president around it the russia question. we learn today of another investigation, not into the president but the chinese effort. how many counterintelligence
investigations would you assume are open right now? >> if you're talking about revolving around those in the circle of the president? this has got to be precedent setting numbers in numerous field offices. because look at what we know publicly about manafort and cohen and jared and all the entanglements with foreign intuetas. imagine what the intel is on the the classified side. what's being picked up from human sources, intercepts abroad. all ahmed at finding vulnerabilities to penetrate the circle around the president. i'm going to go on a limb and say there's a record-setting number of cases open round this president. >> do you agree with that? >> i do. i think this is a threat in the making in mar-a-lago.
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did you eat all of your treats? ♪ help! i need somebody ♪ help! not just anybody ♪ help! you know i need someone new reporting reveals the house intelligence committee is seeking documents and an interview for had it top organizer on the inaugural committee. the former adviser to melania trump and the house intelligence committee sought from m ms. wolkoff an array of materials. specifically in russia, saudi arabia and it the ua. quote the document request represents one portion of a broader democratic effort to build on the work begun by robert mueller.
as has previously been reported prosecutors in the southern d t district of new york have been investigating. wolkoff was ordered not to dus close a subpoena in the case. it's unusual for such a gag order to be put in place. mueller periodically used them with folks like gates but s dprks ny is not known to have done so in any of the other cases. and there could be multiple reasons for the it ggag order. >> it looks like just to make surer that she's not giving up what's going on. this is not someone who's been out spoken about her cooperation but rather someone they need to keep secret about cooperation. >> is that in the witness tampering category? >> i think it's one to protect her and secondly to insure she's
not tipping off certain people. she can't talk to individuals that are potential subjects of the case. it's a significant finding. >> here tonight two of the reporters working on othis story today. fox, national correspondent for "vanity fair," who has chronicled the flight of michael cohen, the author of "born trump: inside america's first family" and rebecca davis o'brien. i learned everything from the story from both you have. so take us through what you reported. >> sure. thank you for having me on. this emerged in a letter that ms. walcoff's lawyer sent to the inaugural committee this week, and he is explained for the first time publicly that his client not only had received a letter from the intelligence committee, but also had been subpoenaed last october, six months ago now, by the southern district of new york and that there was a letter accompanying that subpoena that prohibited
her from speaking about the subpoena. >> so we're learning about that because that's expired? >> yes. i guess it's expired now, because there are additional requests for documentation. and what i think is significant here is the fact that we also, as we also reported, she's been cooperating with the prosecutors there. so this long silence which now we realize is the result of a gag order, she has been providing investigators in manhattan with that information, or a lot of information all along. >> so before your reporting today, you wrote a big profile about her, and i asked you at the time is she uanother michael cohen? and i guess i ask you based on tonight's reporting. and this intersection -- explain this intersection to me of the intel committee being interested in her as well as the criminal investigators, the criminal prosecutors in sdny. >> so the reason why we're hear about this today is because senate intel wants to interview her, and has asked for a ton of
documents related to in part her relationship and communications with michael cohen, as well as everything that she saw in the inauguration and during the transition as well. there are a lot of connections between her and cohen and a lot of similarities. i spent a lot of time covering both of them. first of all that. >> live on the same block in manhattan. >> crazy. >> truly stranger than fiction. they are two people who had such close relationships with the president and the first lady. both of them had close relationships with each of them, and both of them, they feel like they had been thrown under the bus by the first couple. what i think is interesting, and what i think is going to be a factor going forward is both of them feel jilted. both of them feel like they had been thrown under the bus, and both of them saved everything. and i can't emphasize this enough they are two people -- i've never seen anything like it in my life -- who must have known in their heart of hearts that something like this could have happened, because they saved everything, and they have been willing to share everything with investigators. >> your paper, "the times,"
"vanity fair," "the washington post" have all reported on suspicious numbers of ukrainians and others around the inaugural. how big is this of a focus both now in the committee and in sdny? >> certainly the intel committee is looking in part at foreign donations, foreign efforts to conceal the identity of donors abroad. that's one piece of it, certainly. the number of people who showed up, they want guest lists. they want details about who gave, who showed up, what were they promised, did they get anything in return, did they have any special business dealings? one thing about the intelligence committee's letter is they are seeking information about gifts or favors with donald trump and his family members' businesses and affiliated entities. that could be potentially very interesting. of course, ms. wolkoff was a vendor. so one which we could see which
we assume is also a focus of prosecutors in new york given what they've subpoenaed from the committee, the inaugural committee is the vendor side of things. not just what money came in, but how the money was spent. >> it is a classic follow the money. >> sure. >> i want to ask you about the other big story tonight. it's my understanding "the washington post" has now matched "the new york times" scoop about the limited information that barr shared about the russia investigation frustrating some on mueller's team. obviously you cover the trump family. you cover michael cohen. you were there for his testimony. this investigation has touched every single person in trump world really like nothing else. and let me read you some excerpts from this story and get some thoughts. the report was prepared -- this was the mueller report. the report was prepared so the front matter from each section could have been released immediately or very quickly, the officials said. it was done in a way that minimum redaction franchise any would have been necessary, and the work would have spoken for itself. mueller's team assumed the
information was going to be made available to the public, the official said. so they prepared their summaries to be shared in their own words and not in the attorney general's summary of their work as turned out to be the case. this seems like a classic trumpian story of the president getting way out ahead of the facts. >> it's not just the president. we saw -- i think i told you last woke on your show that i had reported that jared kushner was taking a victory lap like no one had ever seen before, and he went on fox news this in an interview essentially displaying that victory lap for the world to see and saying there has been no collusion, total vindication. we now know that is -- we all kind of knew that wasn't the case, and now we have some great reporting to show that that wasn't the case. so, yes, this was certainly the trumps getting ahead of their skis. but i think there are a lot of people, people like cohen who participated in this investigation, and he's still going to prison in a month. regardless what comes out in the mueller report, and hopefully it will all come out, that is not going to change for him.
so i think having transparency and letting people know what he shared with investigators is certainly a good thing, i think something that would make him feel happy, but it doesn't change the fact that he is on his way to prison and no one with the last name of trump has yet to serve any consequence. >> emily jane fax, thank you both for being with us. a quick break and the 11 hour back after this. fter this. billions of mouths.
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4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you so much for being with us, and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. when it rains, it's pours. it feels like a friday. literally since dinnertime tonight, we have learned in "the washington post" that the president's son jared kushner is white house official number one who was denied a security clearance last year because of concerns about foreign influence over him, his private business interests and his personal conduct. after a ruling by career security officials that mr. kushner had too many significant disqualifying factors to receive a top secret clearance, a trump political appointee nevertheless overruled that determination and gave jared kushner the top secret clearance anyway.