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thank you. right now, barr fight. after remaining silent for two years. members of mueller team are telling their side of the story challenging william barr's four page summary of their 400 page report. >> he took it on himself to clear president trump on stuff that mueller didn't clear him on and at that point, it starts to look even more like a cover up and why the report had to be released. >> the chairman of the house intelligence committee joining me ahead. time for change with his likely presidential campaign on the line, joe biden vows to behave differently from now on. >> i get it. i get it. i hear what they're saying. i understand it. i'll be much more mindful. that's my responsibility. tax time. republicans now join house democrats saying donald trump should release his taxes. >> i think you should release your tax returns if you're running for president. >> i would like to see presidents taxes.
good day, every one. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. robert mueller's prosecutors are silent no more. the team now venting to the new york time, washington post and nbc about welcome barr's rosy summary of their two year investigation. the first public break between the justice department and muell mueller's office. trump is weighing in on blasting the new york times and the justice department is trying to defend the attorney general saying the mueller report given to him was quote marked confidential on every page to protect grand jury information could not be released publicly. then repeating what the attorney general said before to congress that he does not believe the report should be released in a piecemeal fashion. not really addressing the point here. nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joining me. ken, you're reporting on our
team at the mueller and justice fronts today. you have some new reporting taking all of this a bit farther in terms of what frustration the prosecutor now feel with a key conclusion in that summary. >> right. building on what the new york times and washington post reported. it's knot tnot the mueller team. they are talking to friends and associates who are talking to us. that is extraordinary. that hasn't happened over the last two years. what they are telling us is some members of that team were frustrated that william barr came in and cleared the president on obstruction when mueller didn't do that. mueller presented evidence oen both sides and said he didn't make a decision. what we're told is perhaps they intended that congress or the public evaluate that evidence. they did not intend that barr come in and clear the president. they are saying the evidence is stronger and more compelling than barr reflected in that letter. we don't know what robert
muell mueller's view is. >> there's been so much back and forth. we have seen leaks from both sides in the last 24 hours. frustration from the william barr front, those familiar with the attorney general's thinking. he felt that mueller should have given him some conclusion. he should not have thrown it over to him, put it on him to do something on obstruction. from the other perspective as ken just reporting, people close to mueller prosecutors saying we had a lot here and perhaps what they wanted to do is have this be put in the lap of congress not be put in the political hands of a political appointed general. >> reporter: right. to your point, mueller's investigators also, according to all of this new reporting, were saying, we had summaries of the investigations that spanned two
years that mueller had prepared that. questions about why barr didn't reply on those summaries or some of the language from those summaries. the response has been that he was never directed to do that. again, this is a two year was w down to this four page summary. the president and his team has been defiant in the face of this new reporting. i spoke to the president's outside attorney, rudy giuliani, overnight who described the leakers as disgruntled democrats. sarah sanders pushing back. she said we have total confidence in the attorney general but what is the ultimate impact of all of this. it could be that it's turning up pressure on the attorney general because remember he is going through the report trying to determine what he can turn over to congress and what he has to
redact. you have house democrats, jerry nadler saying they are poised to issue subpoenas if necessary to get the full unredacted report. the cause for transparency growing louder this morning. >> the justice department saying that every page of the mueller report had this is confidential. it could be grand jury material and he can't release that. that's not correct. he can go to a judge and do what ken starr and other prosecutors, be it under a different law, but they do have the right. he has attorney general rights and can say will you release it to congress to remain confidential. >> 100%. that's what happened in watergate. the justice department has declined demands from congress to do that. what they are saying despite there reporting, we have this reporting too that mueller intended for summaries to be easily made public. it says on every page there's grand jury material in here.
sources say that's a government document. it might be a function of microsoft word. it's in the footer on every page. it should have been easy to issue the summaries instead of that top line report that william barr gave the public. >> we will and will not know next week how much is redacted in nadler's response. thank you so much. one of the key figures is the leadership on the house side. speaker pelosi passed along this message. >> let's rise to a level of presidential in all of this. show us the mueller report. show us the tax returns and we're not walking away just because you say no the first time around. >> california democratic congressman adam schiff has a lot to say about this. he's chairman of the
intelligence committee. thank you very much who's right about this? the prosecutors are saying more could have been released and they believe that four page letter from the attorney general mischaracterized their conclusion on obstruction. some could have been released. he didn't have to do what he did. do you think that william barr was deliberately helping the president brand this as an exoneration and basically get ahead of congress here and get ahead of the report? >> the short answer is we won't know until the report is released. it needs to be released in its entirety. barr did not come into this with clean hands. he wrote a 19 page memo talking about how he thought that the special counsel's obstruction case was bogus. that doesn't give him much credibility on this. he should have recused himself
there was no a large percentage of the country would accept his judgment given his bias. the best way is for the american people to see the report for themselves. one thing is unquestionably true about these allegations that are being made perhaps by the mueller team or members of it. barr did not have to take this course. as you pointed out, barr could have said, barr should have said consistent with his testimony, i'm going to go to the court and seek permission to release this grand jury material. that's what we expect him to do. that's what i think would give the public confidence in this. we fought hard to protect bob muell mueller's investigation and we will fight hard to make sure the results are not buried by the president's hand picked attorney general. >> when this is turned over to congress, how do you go about challenging him on these redactio redactio redactions? does the attorney general have the last word on it? >> he's not going to have the
last word. we will insist on getting the entire report. we will go to the court, if necessary. we will issue subpoenas, if necessary, to make sure we have access to grand jury material. we get classified material all the time. there's no basis to redact that and the intelligence community has a statutory obligation to inform of us any counter intelligence findings it's made. as for the other proposed redactions dealing with information about people not indicted, the justice department made it clear those considerations don't out weigh the public need to know. in the last session of congress, they gave us 880,000 pages pertaining mostly to the clinton e-mail investigation and dealing with people not indicted. it's a very hypocritical and double standard he seems intent on implying. >> is there a political risk for democrats to appear to be over
playing your hand and the president could end up very much playing the victim here in terms of the politics of it? we all know you would prefer to be talking about lelt care ahead the issues that people care about. what about too many investigation, too many committees with a heavy hand. >> the bigger risk is that we don't do our jobs efficiently in terms of oversight and we don't compel the release of this report. that important information is covered up and never allowed to see the light of day. i think that is as it per patai to the report, the bigger danger they bury some part of it may be d detrimental to the public's interest. our top priority is, has been, always will be putting forward a positive agenda and make sure americans can get access to health care.
that they can earn a living and put bread on the table. those are the top one, two, three priorities. we have a constitutional obligation to do both. offer that agenda and do our legitimate oversight. >> you now investigating the inaugural committee as well. who are you looking at? >> we know through the conviction of sam patton there were efforts to provide funding for and funding to the inaugural committee. the purchase of inauguration tickets through straw purchasers. we want to determine whether that massive amount of money raised was raised improperly from foreign sources who had an interest in trying to influence this new administration. our flurns our committees like government reform are interested in whether the inaugural committee was used by the trump business to enrich itself by charging above market
rates and trying to exploit that economy for final gain. our intere >> what do you expect to learn if and when you get access through the ways and mieans and committees through other sources to the president's taxes? >> the request was very narrow. that was for the purpose of doing his oversight on the ways and means committee of the tax system, of the audit process. it will be up to chairman neil or what he feels he is empowered to do with the returns. we have an interest in i evidence whether it's from returns or other sources that bears on whether this president is operating or those around him or operating out of a financial interest rather than our national interests and one of the examples is moscow trump tower where they sought to make this money in moscow during the
campaign. kept it concealed. if the tax returns shed light on other simioe exposed. it will be up to chairman neil will he shares those returns outside of his committee. >> i want to ask you about the attacks against you. the president making none fe ii, mocking you, pencil neck schiff. what is your response to all of this now that you've become one of his favorite targets? >> i guess now that bob mueller is no longer in the target zone, i'm one of the favorite villains of the president. i wear it as a badge of honor. i do have to say i am troubled by the fact that the president spends so much of his time working on childish nicknames for me and others rather than attending to the challenges facing the country. just the sheer amount of time he puts on that task is concerning
to me. apart from that, i pretty much ignore it. i realize that i need to do my oversight job no matter what kind of bile is thrown my way. >> trey gowdy is flo lonno lonn congress but he suggested the cia should no longer share information with you and you're the chairman. >> he was one of the most vehement when he was in congress but now he's on fox. from the guy who chaired the endless benghazi hearings, he can't say much. he's now on fox news doing the same. coming up, joe biden responding to critics but is it enough? stay with us right here on msnbc. enough stay with us right here on msnbc.
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with trouble brewing over his likely presidential campaign, joe biden is promising to change though not apologizing for his behavior following allegations from four women who said he made them uncomfortable with inappropriate contact but not sexual. >> i've always tried to make a human connection. that's my responsible, i think. i shake hands, i hug people.
i grab men and women by the shoulders and say you can do this. i always believe governing, life for that matter, is about connecting. about connecting with people. that won't change but i will be more mindful and respectful of people's personal space. >> hours after he posted that video on twitter, three more women came forward to the washington post saying they also had encounters with biden that made them uncomfortable. they are not satisfied with his response. joining me now is member of the new york times edtorial board and margaret carlson. margaret, you wrote about this today and you wrote, to cast joe biden into the me too wilderness before the first primary vote is cast would not be to ignore the whole history of politics who have been hugging and kissing. tu touching is part of the practice of politics. it's one that's asexual in
public and a staple of campaigning. discuss. >> two things about the social mor morasse is hugging is the new handsha handshake. i'm hugged by people i hardly know. i think we all are. it's not that joe biden is so far behind the times. multiply this by ten for olympi politicians. i think it's what that do. someone who has suffered has more human out reach to people. i don't think the metoo move m movement is set up to handle this sort of thing. there's nothing about this that is threatening. it's not in private. it's a discomfort that i or you might feel at some time but somebody in a social situation. 99.5% of the people of the times i've been with biden out on the campaign trail and others, they
are longing to make a connection with joe biden. it's very hard to sort out who might not like it. we're the united states of apoll apology. i think people want on a abject apology and maybe he'll have to do something more than that video to do it. i think the women's movement suffers if we dilute or objection to male behavior down to this and don't save it for those cases that are more serious and really require action. >> stacy abrams was asked about this on morning joe. this is what she had to say. >> we cannot have perfection as a litmus test. the responsibility of leaders is to not be perfect but to be accountable. to say i've made a mistake. i understand it and here is what i'm going to do to reform as i move forward. i think we see joe biden doing that. we'll find out things about everybody running for office
whether it's for the presidency or school board. we have to be ready to forgive but forgiveness does not mean you accept it unless you see what is accountability. >> how do we work our way out of this? in one regard, biden, who i believe will still run and have his first public event tomorrow. lit be with a union group but how do we work our way out of this bind? how does he change the way he behaves? will he constantly be pulling himself back from people and not being the joe biden we know and which was a successful part of his politics. >> i think stacy abrams is talking a lot of sense here. any woman who has worked in an office for longer than a few years, a lot of us have had the kind of situation where you have a male boss or a figure in some
power who maybe has gotten a little bit too close. gotten in your personal space. there's a spectrum to be sure. i think that really resonates. i think we should take women at their word and take them seriously when they report this behavior by joe biden was inappropriate and made them feel unconfide uncomfortable. no one should have to feel uncomfortable in the workplace or though their physical space has been violated. that said, the metoo movement is kind of a catch all that doesn't really always provide for the gray area and the scale of this behavior. what joe biden, that behavior that folks are describing is not the same of a sexual predator or even someone who was malicious or trying to abuse power. we do want to allow for public figures as stacy abram said to own up to their mistakes and to do better. i don't think this has to be disqualifying.
i think the way that joe biden has approached this with that video was a really good start and this doesn't have to be the end for him. >> in fact, i think tomorrow he'll be in front of this labor audience. he should take some questions. h he should figure that out. >> a video looks cold. he can -- if the questions are not hostile, i think he will be able to be joe. to be joe biden and to show that he's not a character that the metoo movement should be going after. >> well, thank you so much. two quick points. michael bennett says he will run for president but is dealing with prostate cancer and tim ryan in ohio will run for president. we have more people getting into the race. leave it there for today. nc coming up, findings show the
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: we have breaking news. the president has been speaking in the cabinet room. he's been taking questions. talking about trade, china. they have been negotiating with china trying to reach a deal to avoid an all out trade war with china. i think we have that tape coming up. some of the questions for the president. >> thoouank you very much. >> trade is coming along well. i think you'll be at it nor a while. lot of top people want to make a deal. we'll see what happens. it's got to be a great deal. we have been losing many years four, five, 600 billion dollars a year.
we're using 200 routinely to china. it's going to be a great deal deal. if it's not a great deal, we're not doing it. it's going well. top officials are here. we're very well along on the deal. it's a very complex deal. it's a very big deal. it's one of the biggest deal i've ever made. it will be a great deal for our farmers. everything is covered. there's not a thing that's not covered. our economy is way up. china is not way up. it looks like the deal is moving along nicely. we'll say hello to the media some time after 2:00. thank you, everybody. >> thank you. >> a lot of good things are happening with mexico.
mexico understands we will close the border or tariffs the cars. probably start off with the tariffs. that will be a powerful incenti incentive. they don't have courts like we do. we have a stupid system of courts. it's the craziest thing in the world. you put a foot on the property, you put a foot into the united states, congratulations, go get perry mason to represent you. you end up with a court case. then they release you and you come back four or five years later but nobody comes back. 2% come back. the not so smart ones come back. it's the most ridiculous system anyone has seen. we have catch and release and chain migration. somebody comes in and bring the whole family. your grandparents, brothers, sister, cousins.
craziest thing i've seen put in by democrats. the democrats will straighten it out. i hate to see it but i can say i was right. i told everybody. you have a national emergency at our border and nobody even talks about drugs. the drugs that are flowing in. for the last four days that you have covered it to a minor extent, mexico has been capturing people and bringing them back to their country add their southern border. they have been taking people their powerful laws and bringing them back to where they came from. it's been three days since they heard i was going to close the border. if mexico and we love mexico, we love the country of mexico. we have two problems. we have the fact that they allow people to pour in to our country.
we have to stop them. the other problem is drugs. massive amount, most of the drug, much of the drugs coming into our country come through the southern boarderder in all different ways. we'll be meeting on friday at a piece of the wall we have completed. a big piece. a lot of it is being built now. a lot of it is being signed up by different contractors. it's moving along nicely. we need help from mexico. we will tariff their cars coming into the united states. the other thing is because mexico is such a big source of drugs, unfortunately, unfortunately, now we have china
sending fentanyl to mexico to come into the united states. it's not acceptable. the second aspect is that if the drugs don't stop, mexico can stop them if they want, we'll tariff the cars. if that doesn't work, we'll close the border. i think that will work. it's massive numbers. if we don't see people apprehend and brought back to their countries if we see the massive caravans coming right through mexico like nothing. buses are even given to them. the only thing better but less drastic than closing the border is to tariff the cars coming in. i will do it. i don't play games. i'll do it. we're doing it to stop people. we're going to give them a one year warning and if the drugs
don't stop, or largely stopped, we'll put tariffs on mexico and products, in particular cars. the whole ball game is cars. it's the big ball game with many countries it's cars. if that doesn't stop the drugs, we close the border. mexico, last year, and over for many years, just like china except china numbers are bigger. i don't blame china and mexico. i blame the people that used to sit in this seat because they should have done something about it. i'm not just talking about president obama. i'm talking about many presidents. if mexico doesn't do what they can do easily. they can do it in a much more humane fashion. they can stop them right at the southern border where they come
into mexico. if they don't do it, we'll tax the cars. if that doesn't work, we'll close the border. we'll also do something having to do with tariffs on drugs. not only are hundreds of thousands of lives a year being ruined in our country but numbers of people are dying that you wouldn't believe. we'll lose one military personnel and it's the front page story. yet, we have a 100,000 people. people don't even though the number. they say 77,000. they say 72,000. any number they give, you can guarantee to raise. it cost 500 million dollars. we will put tariffs on, if they
don't apprehend and we'll give a period of time but if in a year from now drugs continue to pour in, we'll put tariffs on. we have a deal, usmca is already done. they will have to live with it. this is more important. they will have to live with it. thank you very much. >> thank you guys. >> thank you. >> it's a great deal. if they don't pass it, it's purely political. everybody wants to see it passed. we'll see. whatever they want to do is okay with me.
thank you. >> the president referring to the usmca which is the term for the newly negotiated nafta deal. joining us is kristen welker. phil, we're hearing a very different tone and time line for closing the boarder. it's now we'll give them a year and if they don't stop the drug flow and the immigration flow then we'll tariff the cars, put tax on the cars that cross the boarder. they are american made cars but go back and forth across the border some eight times.
it does affect our industry. >> the threat keep changing. it was to be by tend he end of week. there was a backlash from the manufacturing industry. >> farmers across the midwest. >> farmers, all sorts of products that would be impacted and consumer prices could be impacted immediately. trump got a little scared about that. he's now changed it to a year. he said in the meeting just then, i don't play games. i'm sorry serious about this. we have seen over the years again and again and again he makes threats that he doesn't follow through on. we'll see what happens with this one. >> fact checking on the fly here, kristen, welke welker, he
2% of those that come across the border show up in court. i don't think those numbers are correct from things i've heard. >> reporter: a lot of people coming over are families. the president has cast them as individuals coming over and trying to get around the united states laws. bottom line, we did see this y major walk back from president trump. he was threatening to shut down the border as early as this week and now giving mexico a year to try to stem the flow of those trying to cross the border without documentation. trying to stop the flow of illegal drugs. president trump really suggesting there might be a
renewed optimism about a deal. he will be meeting with the vice premier later on today. we know there were a number of sticking points including over the issue of intellectual property. we'll be tracking that very closely today. >> paul, the president on fire earlier today on twitter about the mueller report. about these reports in the washington post and the new york times. nbc news that mueller team prosecutors are frustrated as the way attorney general barr has been characterizing their report and the way his four page letter referred to the obstruction of justice decision with a non-decision by mueller. what's your take on that knowing mueller so well? >> what i can tell you is the good news is that bob mueller is now involved with the attorney jo general. the attorney general said so in his march 29th to assist in redacting this report. although the attorney general
says that he doesn't want itterations of this report coming out one after the other. while there may be redactions as congressman schiff told you earlier, we're likely to see an appeal to a district judge to release the grand jury material. that's how these systems work. congressman schiff is a former assistant united states attorney. he knows how this works and attorney general barr understands that a vehicle he can use to release that material. that's the best way that we the public can make an independent determination as to whether or not that march 4 letter and the principal findings are accurate or not. >> thank you all. nato secretary general is trying to smooth over differences between the u.s. and europe over russia, climate change and iran as the defense alliance celebrates its 70th anniversary in washington.
it's trying to withstand sharp criticism over the past two years from president trump. >> does this kind of division undercut the alliance. >> >> there's different views on iran nuclear deal. that's just a fact. it will be great if nato allies would agree. as long as they don't agree then my main task is to make sure the disagreement on that issue doesn't have flnegative repercussions that we stand together and protect each other. >> that was the nato secretary general. joining me now is kay bailey hutchinson. welcome. it's great to see you back in washington at the state department. senator, there's been a lot of tensions. we heard a lot of reporting over
the last two years it se. is the president focused too much on what other nations are contributing in terms of their financial contributions to nato and not other types of contributions that they all make, including their soldiers -- they troops in afghanistan since 9/11. >> that's a great question. it is so important that we have the capabilities which means the money to have a big deterrent. we need expensive equipment to deter russia or any other add v -- adversary that might come forward. it is a capabilities but also a
cash and contributions assessment that we must make to have a strong alliance. >> when i talk to european leaders, they are frustrated at some of the president's challenges to them. the way he treats angela merkle. the way he's challenged teresa may. speaking out against her at times. why is he so tough on our closest allies and not on russia and some of the others who are the strong men around the world? >> i think we are working hard to keep our alliance together and strong. even though there's been disagreements about what is contributed, i think every ally
including chancellor merkle has been very up front about saying we need to do more. we know that and we're going to do more. the minister from germany just yesterday said we are going to meet the goals that we have said. it will be 1.5% by 2024 but we're going onto 2%. we need that from germany because they have the capability to be one of the leaders of our alliance. they have a good committee and they realize that. i think that while there are tensions, there are bilateral tensions in nato country. we look at the big goal. the goal is unity in this alliance. we're the only multi-lateral allian alliance, military alliance that's lasted through the years and we have lasted because we have aadapted.
we have new threats. rush ha sha -- russia is a big one. we need to be firm to build our alliance so we have that deterrence and that's what prevents conflict. >> thank you so much for being with us. sorry that the president's speech or his comments just now took some of our time. i know you understand that. >> absolutely. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. coming up, defending democracy. what congress is doing to stop foreign interference in future elections. stay with us right here on msnbc. elections. stay with us right here on msnbc. yes.
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call or visit congress is trying to crackdown on foreign propaganda manipulating our elections, with legislation growing out in part of robert mueller's conclusion that russia interfered in the 2016 campaign. joining me now is alyssa slotkin. it's good to see you. why this bill, why now? how do you hope to get at this problem? >> sure, so this is something that closes a loophole that allows foreign entities to buy ads in our political process. i've been waiting a long time to do this, we all know our intelligence community said russia mettled in our elections.
it's about time to do it. >> you're formerly with caa and the pentagon. you had this national security background before you were in congress. where are you going with this? >> i think this is not a partisan issue, i co sponsored can with a colleague from upstate new york. i don't think this is a democrat, independent or republican thing. no one wants russian entities from buying ads in our political system. is it we had an up close and personal view of this in 2016. >> i want to ask you about you mar-a-lago, this chinese woman was able to get in the perimeter. she had way too many devices she basically had no business being
in the president's weekend home sufficient. but it is accessible to guests and members and their guests. >> yeah, i mean, listen, counter intelligence has to be a primary priority, when you're a location that hosts the president of the united states over and over again, any place he goes, should be swept for bugs routinely. any place he goes should be looked over with a fine tooth comb. we've had problems with counter intelligence issues from the beginning of this presidency. it shows a lack of judgment if she was able to get inside and spend time in there. >> what more do you know or do we need to know about china trying to penetrate mar-a-lago in particular. >> we should all assume -- i'm sorry, we're all prisoners to our background. groups are trying to acquire sensitive information from senior leaders all the time. as a cia officer we needed to be
polygraphed every three years to make sure we were saying everything about folks who were trying to get information out of us. >> you're on the homeland committee, i want to ask you about the president's comments while you've been going back and forth on the hill. he backed down on his threat to close the border in a year, if mexico doesn't comply then the drugs and others, he'll put tariffs on cars that's going to affect you in michigan and the auto industry. and then the next step would be to close the boarder. he seems to be adding more time. he's backed off from pressure from republicans. >> i think closing the border would have maujer economic impact we have to call a spade a spade. there are large number of people
coming over our southern border. we need to make sure our officials have enough resources to deal with that. it's not just a major knee jerk order. in michigan that would have a devastating impact. it looks like he's postponed, given us some more time. it's the second time in 10 days that. the president has said quickly and his own party has rolled him back. >> i'm sure it's at least a relief temporarily for you and the people in your region. >> yes. great to see you. breaking news on the ethiopian air crash last month. boeing responding to the transport minister's announcement that the flight crew you is repeatedly followed boeing's proceedings before the crash that left more than 150 people dead but still failed to stop the plane from going into that fatal dive. tom, what are they saying?
>> we know have the physical report from the ethiopians, it's scary. it suggests that immediately on takeoff, the pilots on that plane were dealing with failures on the plane. you the angle attack sensor was failing immediate lip and as a result of that this anti-stall system we talked about, started assuming the plane was going to stall, so it put the plane into a nose down pitch here's where i -- i'm sorry, here's where you need to understand what happened. immediately the pilots turned off mcat, they turned off that system, when they do that, they are turning off the automatic trim system. you can fly the plane manually with the pitch. the trouble is, they were going so fast, they were screaming fast, and as a result of that, they had a very tough time
controlling that trim. it's almost -- think about it as if you're going on a bike. you are going so fast, you need somebody else's hand to keep your bike stable they turned the auto trim system back on. when they did that, they reengaged mcat and put the plane back into the dirt. we have multiple failures here, the angle of attack sensor failed. it would appear this crew didn't pull back on the speed and the speed was outrageous. here's what boeing said a few minutes ago. they concur and agree the angle of attack sensors were failing. here's what they say. understanding the circumstances that contributed to this accident is critical to safe flight. we'll take any and all additional stepsness to enhance the safety of the plane as you know, boeing is about to put out
a software upgrade in the next few weeks that should address many of these issues, and always give the pilots the authority to override the anti-stall system. there are people wonned iring whether there are other systems that are at fault or at least need to be looked at. other systems that might have contributed to this crash. >> based on your expertise, it seems like the fix that boeing has come up with is not going to be enough. clearly now they have bigger issues here. zbluf that's a problem. i don't know that that's absolutely clear yet, but it's clearly a possibility. and as you know, they've delayed that software upgrade rollout. clearly they're looking at whether they have bigger issues now, the failure of an angle attack sensor. it appears this crew was simply going way too fast. when it failed, they could not
control the trim themselves of that plane. >> quick question. do you think from what we're seeing in this report and this comes from the -- is this from the black boxes? >> this is from the black boxes, that's right. >> were they aware of how fast they were going or were there other controls that were out of whack? >> they should have been aware. however, if they were in a cockpit with alarms screaming at them and the stick shaker shaking. the plane's pitching forward, they may have been task saturated. losing situational awareness, not understanding why the plane is behaving as it was, and not looking at a basic 00 solution which was to pull back on the speed. >> tom costello, thank you for an alarming report. that does it for andrea
mitchell reports today. here's ali velshi and stephanie ruehl. >> have an excellent afternoon. >> it is thursday april 4th, ali's got a brown suit on, let's get smarter. >> we will put tariffs on -- if they don't apprehend and ultimately, we're going to give a period of time but if in a year from now, drugs continue to pour in, we're going to put tariffs on. new concerns from robert mueller's team. the attorney general painted too broad a picture. >> it makes the point we've been making for two years, despite all the media reports about how holy and sanctimonious the mueller team is. >> have you had occasion to