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you can subscribe for free investigation fits squarely in wherever you get your podcasts. that committee's jurisdiction. i would be surprised if they the first episode is already up don't try to bring him in for now so don't miss it. that's all we have for tonight. testimony in the coming months. >> right. that's why this relationship we'll be back tomorrow with more we're tracking between him and barr. they have cards to play. mtp daily. barr has more cards. he is the current attorney good evening. general of the united states. but mueller does have cards in i'll see you -- that's my fear. his deck. what we know is in the past, he's known how to play them. >> as long as we all subscribe thank you. in 30 seconds, we come back week going in the right with a major bipartisan rebuke direction. >> i would prefer mr. t. of donald trump today with that's okay. >> mr. t. shades of nixon first. thank you, mr. t. we'll speak to the democrat the first night i'll be using leading the charge to get it. donald trump has found himself trump's tax returns. back in 30. on the wrong side of yes, two back in 30 federal laws. first democrats invoking a the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, federal tax law to force the irs plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. to hand over trump's taxes. i'm back. the congressman leading that fight joins us later. aleve pm for a better am. today, both parties voting to rebuke donald trump's military policy in yemen citing a dad, it's fine. we have allstate. different law. and with claimrateguard they won't raise your rates the war powers act. we have that story later just because of a claim. tonight. it is important. that's why you're my favorite... we begin with what is clearly an i know.
inflection point in the are you in good hands? unfolding of the mueller investigation. the first public splintering of the justice department against mueller's team. because the news tonight is that for the very first time, whatever private or heated debates have occurred between mueller's team and their tonight. they're not waiting. they're putting this marker down supervisors at the trump justice right now and i'm reporting this department in the past, now for the first time on msnbc. we're seeing some spill into public view for the first time. they intend to request -- >> that was one of the big "the new york times" and other stories we were breaking on outlets reporting that top election night, 2018. people on mueller's team when the democrats took back the disagree with attorney general house, sources were already bill barr's efforts to, what telling us that they wanted to they see, as downplay their lay down a mark per the evidence in key findings on democrats would pursue trump's trump. "the new york times" quoting second hand sources who say that tax returns, to demand them and mueller's investigators have strong evidence against trump without any wider vote in the and that barr was not totally republican held senate. accurate in his rush to release today that chairman began dismissing president trump's quotes and his own opinion in first offense on this. that the irs should hold back his now famous letters to congress. his returns while trump claims there may have been private disagreements during 22 months they're still under audit. of the probe. if they're private, we still >> there are a series of other wouldn't know about them and rod options going forward that we will explore. we've already begun to think rosenstein was in charge most of that period. about it. we never really saw daylight >> are you considering
between mueller's office and the subpoenas? >> well, that's something to doj during that time. today we're seeing a high stakes consider down the road. >> what do you make of the rift go public right after president saying yesterday that mueller turned in his report and they're still under audit? before congress has seen any of it. >> the siirs is pretty cheer, tt in the spirit of thinking about where we're going, before i go you can release your tax returns into a few more of the details about why barr's approach is in even when they're under audit. question, is under fire, i want to you consider where we are in >> joining me from the ways and the time line on the substance. means committee. good evening, sir. >> how are you? not the d.c. messaging. >> i'm good. i saw your chairman there. but on substance. he's a pretty even keeled bob mueller worked for almost two years, issuing 37 person. >> he's always on target. indictments and handing in a methodical. >> well, walk us through what nearly 300 page report. we are in the waiting period you were just saying. between doj getting that report. you think he's on target. that happened. why? and the doj deciding how to >> i think he's methodical. share it or some of it with i think he's done the right thing sending the letter that we congress and potentially the are able to do under the law. public. on substance, these few weeks may look like the blink of an 6103. in the code. read it. i asked the president to read eye. whether it is two weeks or four or six, the rules always that and with all due respect. provided for this time. and he has definitely hated out this gap period between mueller finishing and barr dealing with basically what has happened and
what will happen. congress. then you have this d.c. sent the letter to the irs. messaging. when the president says this the attorney general has decided evening that he is not going to to seize this very waiting period as his time to strike out comply, it doesn't matter what in public. to release a series of letters. he says. the letter was sent to the irs. we're asking the irs, which has to release parts of the mueller never refused anything in this findings and credit to him for admitting it, barr using this case, under this law, in the waiting period to go well beyond history of this country, since what he says mueller found and announce his own views in 1924, we're asking him to give public, whipping up reactions the documents to the committee. across the nation. as we've reported on this show they'll be held respectfully. from the very day mueller we need a committee vote if finished, those reactions are anything or everything will be mainly to barr and how the probe let out. and under the law. ended. not to mueller's report which no and then we'll see. one outside the doj which no one all we want to do is put the has of course, seen. facts on the table. when you take it all together, i want to know if the president there waiting period, it makes of the united states, we'll it more notable and maybe more start here. we want to know if the president telling than it is right now of the united states has paid during this waiting period when his fair share like you have and not everyone has the same like i have and like every evidence and facts and findings american pays. that we are hearing mueller's that is the first thing we need investigators reportedly decided to know. this will not be simply looking they had to speak out now. they couldn't wait longer to at a 1040. that's only a simple document. address what they see as
attorney general barr's these are hundreds and thousands mischaracterizations of some of of pages that this president, their work. so 22 months of the probe. because he has extended business basically, no leaks. two weeks of barr describing the dealings, which is all legal to do something like that, probe's findings and now there depending on what's in the are signs of leaks, at least details. he can do that. we want to know what is in those linked to mueller's team. details. of course, barr rushed to clear >> and you've been pressing on this. trump by claiming to describe i know that you've long said -- you've been leading on it. the report even though and i've said this before, even though i remember i interviewed you a best news for donald trump isn't even in the mueller report as while back. far as we know. it is in the fact bob mueller now everyone knows in washington, one of your best finished his probe without charging a conspiracy. we know that without seeing a friends is steve mnuchin, right? report. >> no. >> no? it is mr. barr's apparent must have gotten confused. reaching on the report's other let's look at the highlight reel alleged content, his need on of you giving him a bit of a issue his own view on obstruction, that has begun to draw so much pushback. hard time. mueller's investigators, here's >> president trump claimed, he where i'll get into a few more would not personally benefit of the details for you. say that they found it is more from the tax cuts in the tax troubling for trump, what is in bill of december of 2017. the report than barr has implied. one source stressing that barr how can we know without seeing issued his own letters even his tax returns?
>> i'm not aware of the president's financial situation, though there were independent other than what i read. summaries already prepared for >> apparently nobody is. different sections of the report, providing each section >> apparently nobody is. could have been released what are you getting at this and how much of this is about immediately done in a way that minimum redactions would have transparency, which would be been necessary and the work oversight for the government, would have spoken for itself. and how much of it is about giving the person in the what i just read to you is a opposing party this president, a very specific leak. that is someone who the hard time? some people criticizing you guys "washington post" has deemed for that. >> i believe in transparency. credible, who claims to know details about the still secret my whole political life. contents of the mueller report the first thing i did on and how they say it was thoughtfully prepared so doj february 1st of 2017 was to could release findings that mueller wrote. write a letter to kevin brady, not so that barr could reframe them in his own series of who was the chairman of the ways and means committee at that letters. these new reports are saying time. barr's refusal to use the since republicans were in prepared summaries and control, until a few months ago. substitute his own letters is and i said, why don't we do this suspicious. house democrats say they're not together? because this is the first having it. president since richard nixon judiciary chaired in ed in ed f that has not submitted his taxes of the last four or five or six or ten years. these recent reports are >> it was never really for accurate, that they be released as soon as possible. that's a lot. nixon.
this story could rest right here >> we got money because of it. with the possibility that these he said i want people to know i'm not a crook and you saw the rest of it. what happened. summaries that barr allegedly >> do you think he'll have to go to court in the ten seconds we have left? pocketed. that's not all. i have one more thing of after >> i think that we september it to the irs. barr's letters, on march 22 and the irs has to stand up tall. march 24 and march 29, barr is if the irs has anyone interfere back out today with something with what they're going to do, then we'll have another problem. new. it is not a formal letter but a this is not over by any stretch statement. and it says mueller's report to of the imagination. barr was stamped confidential on i said from the beginning, let's every page, implying that put it all on the table. we can common trait president basically, this is on mueller. and stressing that barr is very easily. working with mueller on what is he hiding? appropriate redactions to the that's the major question. what is he hiding? report so that it can be for the republicans to say that released to congress and the this is rummaging in privacy, they have a very short history. public. notice that basically when barr is facing this reported they went after 51 people, if criticism from mueller's team, you remember, when they were today in that new statement, going after miss lerner, when barr is name checking mueller. she was the head of the irs. >> do i remember that. seeming to both blame him for and they used this very law. these decisions that we do know
see, look. we're all equal. barr made. that means something. he is is the boss. he comes out today and seems to so you'd better pay your fair blame mueller for these share. and you'd better pay your fair decisions. but then he also hugs mueller as share. i want to know if the president does. >> do you refer to yourself in a source of authority and the third person, but without, credibility for this coming redaction fight. now, i don't have all the you earned that title. answers for you. i would think you would address i never do. i tell you what we know and what yourself as congressman. >> you don't know me very well we don't know. for whatever reason, i don't then. know the reason tonight. >> i know you a little. this very topic. but for whatever reason, bill it is very interesting to see barr wants you and everyone to know, hey, i'm still working what is happening. >> you know, this is like the with mueller. even as he also disputes these other three congressmen, the reports that he overrode mueller judiciary oversight, et cetera. to the great concern of schif, nadler and cummings. mueller's team. and that brings us here to the final splinter tonight. shs not a mit witch hunt on the while barr invokes mueller for credibility, and president trump recently reversed his attacks to part of the congress. these are dedicated people. say mueller acted honorably after the probe was concluded, >> we hear that from a lot of another lawyer who works for trump allies and aides. trump is breaking with his china congressman, i'll use the and with attorney general barr to blast mueller's team for what honorific. thank you for coming on.
he calls sticky, unethical up ahead, congress is using a nixon era law to talk about leaking. >> it makes the point that we've foreign policy. been making for two years, and later, we're talking a lot despite all the media reports about how holy and sank at this of border patrol. lot of border patrol ional... it's kind of like playing your own version of best ball. mo , sanctimonious the mueller team because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, is. they are rabid democrats who even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. hate the president of the united states. >> i want to bring in the mayor so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. of new york. and our national correspondent. [laughter] good evening to both of you. what do you think of what barr is doing and do you believe he's trying to may both sides of (vo) go national. go like a pro. mueller? >> i think he's trying to play both sides of mueller. see what i did there? i think he's trying to do it, and what i give him credit for, we c we know from his unsolicited memo to the white house about obstruction, is that he has a very specific view. both of executive privilege and of obstruction of justice.
he stuck with it. that summary and that decision that he and rod rosenstein say they made in that summary on obstruction is based on his interpretation of the law. so in that sense he's being very skimt. the point about the confidentiality is silly. the reason is because the rules actually say that the report is confidential and goes to the attorney general as a confidential report. so of course, it is stamped at the bottom confidential across it. by definition. >> let's build on that. when they talk about ranger games, this feels like lawyer games. we have the new barr statement. he keeps writing statements and in the news, that's always interesting. it begins in a somewhat surly, lawyerly form. every page may be protected under grand jury rules. it is the implication that
mueller made me do it this way. >> no. it is really typical for that kind of stamp to exist whenever you have the potential to have material you would withhold. all that means is, it doesn't mean it should be. it doesn't mean it has to be. usually, remember, one of the reasons congress has a right to say come and tell us, show us the report, tell us what privileges you're inserting. they should have the ability to understand. are you saying it executive privilege? are you saying it is privacy? grand jury? you would be indicating in that what kind of privilege might attach. but that's, once we heard in the leaks that mueller was given an attorney general who said publicly that his interest was in transparency and having as much of this publicly as possible, frank who worked for mueller that, i would be surprised that he didn't prepare the report in a way that it could be very quickly made
public. because he understands what material would have been withheld. >> as the reporting out today, the intent of the investigators was that the summaries would be made public and it would boggle the mind that such professional team of investigators wouldn't have that ready to go after 22 months of investigation. i can tell you, i talked just hours ago to a staff member who it was 1973. watergate scandal brewing. had been briefed by one of the but like so many other political lawyers advising the judiciary wrestling matches from that era, between the congress and the committee. they're giving barr more time. white house, we look at it but they fully expect this to go to court. tonight with new meaning. the question is whether with one not about nixon's law-breaking of the most consequential but about the way he used power documents in modern history, the even abroad. american people and congress are there was a congressional vote being given as much information to rein in how a president can as possibly they can be given or use power and military power as little. their take on that, given the abroad. >> the congress of the united classified redactions, which states in an historic action could very well be done by today made effective elimination congress, given the refusal to go get that court paep, that on the powers of the president to make war. authorization to release the >> a psychological victory for
grand jury material, is that the congress. it proves to the members that verdict is that we are going to they can take on the president and win. be given as little information >> in that divided and sour time as possible. while yes, barr is operating of vietnam, congress was saying, under a different statute than it's time to take back some of ken starr, there is nothing in the power that executives in there that says that he can't both parties have seized. give this information out. but it turns out that hasn't so they're expecting to get been used very much until today. something that is less than adequate. they hope they'll be surprised and that they're wrong. it all began with a bipartisan this is what they're preparing for. vote in the senate against >> isn't it barr's problem that donald trump's approach to a people are paying close attention? saudi arabia military-led fight there are all sorts of games people in public life play. in yemen trying to stop what he was doing. and the experts like to invoke and then today, house democrats led this vote and they were their expertise and hold it over joined by 16 republicans to everyone. as we like to say around the fortify that effort and pass the newsroom, i may be slow but i'm same war powers measure. this is actually, get this. today. the first time the u.s. congress not dumb. it may take a couple days but has ever invoekked what you jus people are still watching and reading and listening. saw moments ago. to believe barr, you would have to believe this expert team ran the 1973 war powers resolution by bob mueller, who ran the fbi, law. congress enacting that law over, a prosecutor, by the book, made of course, as i mentioned, the these really sloppy endings.
handling of the vietnam war by that they did not have a plan nixon and other democratpreside. for how it could be revealed. the "washington post" and others, they're reporting, no, there was a plan. >> the sequence of events that has occurred has shaken the kres built of the president and the notion that they had no therefore, his support with the plan. no way to help with the public which is in turn felt in transparency pelosi. the halls of congress. >> those of us who stood with you would have to be pretty dumb him in the past will continue to stand with him in the future to think there was no ending and when we're convinced in this there is a lot of evidence, right. i think in this one instance, he was not right. inference, that mueller was >> saying that the republican trying to put together the president wasn't right in that evidence. not that he was waiting around like all of a sudden, bob incident. tonight, trump getting the mueller doesn't know what suit to wear and what hat to wear. rebuke over policy. this would cut off u.s. support he can't make decisions. for our involvement in the then you look, before i bring in yemenise civil war. ken, i want to ask you about the it would limit the sharing of notion as well. arms and intel. it would be a way to actually and we should keep this in mind. stop donald trump's approach and if you remember free to be you many say undue friendship to and and me. an album i grew up on. with saudi arabia. people are people. during the campaign, he boasted and mr. barr is a person. about his business contacts as a human being, he also, according to the "new york there. >> saudi arabia, and i get
times," and i think your reporting reflects this, appears headache great with all of them. concerned about the way he is they buy apartments from me. being covered in his job and the they spend $40 million, $60 million, am i supposed to "times" reports that he has shown flashes of frustration and dislike them? i like them very much. chafed at how the news media and >> he liked them so much that he some lawmakers had characterized made his first foreign trip as one of his letters. president to visit saudi arabia. this pushback did begin in 2018 >> i'm sure he is. after the killing of the i don't know how this could have been anything but expected. "washington post" columnist and i'll tell what you wave two jamal khashoggi. trump refused to neat senate will be. we're seeing with this deadline to identify the killers reporting, what never happened and issue sanctions with the during this investigation is happening now. saudis believed to be behind it. which you nicely laid out in your opener. trump stood by them. the leaks. it gave the intel for so if this information is khashoggi's death. all eyes are on what the president will do facing this inadequate and the investigators feel their work is not being rebuke. because republicans have controlled so much of congress. accurately represented in whatever the final product is in two years he's only issued that's given to congress. one veto which was required when i would expect more of that and the senate stood up to him over i know congress expects more. what they saw was an abuse of >> i think you put your finger power in that national emergency on it. andrew weissman, or whomever, invocation at the border. if donald trump steps up and there are people who may have a goes and vetoes this resolution shorter fuse than him. he may have a longer fuse but today, it would be his second veto ever. this time after a bipartisan people are people.
this is a theme i made up in the rebuke over his use of power middle of the conversation but i'm going to stand by it. passed the border. we are seeing an escalation between a president who wants as he person, too. there may be more barr things his way and the congress which at times organization a bipartisan basis, is standing up statements. to him. if mueller's statement conveys so we wanted to tell but that. lawfully that it might be a good when we come back, a very special guest. when we come back idea for transparency for him to special guest. testify, he can get all this ♪ back out in the open. there goes our first big order. >> this is about constitutional ♪ authority. even if barr will make a 44, 45, 46... determination that there was how many of these did they order? nothing that rose to a crime. ooh, that's hot. congress's injure addiction is ♪ to meet out whether there was you know, we could sell these. wrongdoing here. if there's jurisdiction. nah. ♪ >> there may not have been. we don't bake. >> that's separate from ♪ reviewing what was an attack on opportunity. what we deliver by delivering. our democracy. and deciding whether there were things that the president or his team did that fall just short of criminal but are extremely wrong. >> that's a lot of blowback that but super poligrip gives him a tight seal. snacking can mean that pieces get stuck under mike's denture. barr is dealing with. to help block out food particles. hang with me. so he can enjoy the game. i'll bring in ken dilanian. super poligrip.
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they're going to explain it. they're going to explain how the russians went that interfering in the election. they've already laid some of this out in public indictments. the one thing that's not clear is to what extent this will be classified. we may not see the full picture. and there's counter tension investigations that will live on. that have been already passed on to fbi field offices and u.s. attorney's offices. counter intelligence is not just about selling crimes. it is about mitigating influence. >> i think the point where the trump folks have a point, as we've reported. there was an exhaustive probe into whether there was a criminal conspiracy to benefit russia or its associates. and the way that it ended showed no chargeable conspiracy. in your reporting, are there other things suggest bigger problems than the way barr put it? or we don't know yet? >> no problem with the way barr characterized that. mueller himself concluded there was no chargeable, criminal
conspiracy. let's think about what else is possible that would be very detrimental politically to the president and his team. the notion that they were essentially useful idiots, dupes of a sophisticated russian [horn honks] man this is what i feel like when i wear regular shoes, intelligence covert operation. we already saw that the cramped and uncomfortable. we can arrange a little upgrade. president was willing to receive which is why i wear skechers... wide fit shoes. they have extra room throughout. uncorroborated evidence. they're like a luxury ride for my feet. >> that's known and out there. when you have reporting that try skechers wide fit shoes. people around mueller are grab those command picture hanging strips concerned how it is coming out and let's make it work! in the last two weeks, it is not they're tool free and they hold strong. that bill barr erased everyone's or change your mind damage free. memory of the trump tower like a pro. meeting. he may be good but he's not men command. do. no harm. this black good. people remember this and they can do what they want. let me rephrase why. is this coming out now? >> i think, well, the way it was characterized to me is that you guys are all focusing on the one line that there was no criminal conspiracy. but there is a lot more here
that maybe will be troubling to the american public that should be explored about what the trump campaign did. what the russians did. this will be consequential. some of it will be classified. but stay tuned, essentially, was the message i got. >> stay with me. i want to play one more thing as we look at this. the relationship, the long running professional between barr and mueller. take a look. >> essentially, the president wanted to know, he said, you know, bob mueller. how well do you know bob mueller? i told him how will knew bob mueller and how well the barrs and muellers were good friends and would be good friends when this is all over and so forth. and he was interested in that. wanted to know what i thought about mueller's integrity and so forth and so on. so i said bob is a straight far. shooter and should be dealt with >> we are thrilled to welcome a first time guest on the beat. as such. >> do you have any feeling that former homeland security this relationship now is being tested with the statements we're secretary during president
seeing? obama, janet napolitano and the my rule of thumb is if this is president of the university of what's in public, whatever is california and she also has a behind the scenes would be more, new book out. not less than this. are you getting the sense she is >> absolutely. i don't think there's a question busy? how safe are we? that there's a testing of the homeland security since 9/11. relationship. if you're robert mueller, and thanks for upon coming on the beat. bt i watched your work in think about what mr. giuliani's government on the homeland response was. front. what is the greatest threat if, if, this was so right now? >> i think it's three-fold. mischaracterized, you would have had bob mueller coming out and cyber security for sure. making a statement. the impacts of climate change and i think that's really misunderstanding the longstanding relationships for sure, mass unviolence for between two people. sure. where -- but also to his those are my top three. attention to the institution and >> you did not list immigration the process. on the southern border. he understands how much why not? attention is being paid here. >> because i don't think it is he may have several reasons why an imminent threat. he's not coming out and making it is an issue to be managed. public statements. the border is a zone. both to the integrity of the process, to not wanting to make the narrative so pitched and so it is the most frequently traversed land border in the negative. and wants to let congress play it out. world. we have driven illegal migration and because he may have respect
for barr despite the fact this down to decade year lows. is putting them each in a very complicate situation. >> such an interesting point. >> between the use of ice, it's not like you weren't doing aided by your analysis and by deportations. what is wrong with the way they are doing it now? the others tonight. >> it's who is being deported. a very interesting time. potentially consequential. my thanks to each of you. under the obama administration, we prioritized in terms of those i have a lawmaker demanding in the country illegally or trump's tax returns to reswleel trying to enter the country the irs chief said about all of this before he was on the job. illegally. who had also committed other serious crimes. later, lawmakers targeting donald trump's foreign policy under the trump administration, with a nixon era law that can anybody in the country illegally could not strain presidential is fair game no matter how long powers. one of the first times we've or their track record or no seen this. and yes, the big pr move trying matter their employment history, to say he would close the their family history, etc. border. it's an ingraeme nate use of the and what should america's security priorities be? police power. >> let me get you on the i'm thrilled to tell you. president declaring the national first time on "the beat," janet emergency. a lot of people talk about this stuff. you walked the walk. napolitano is on "the beat" you also used emergency tonight. is on "the beat" tonight. ♪ limu emu & doug declarations and your authority as governor.
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it makes these false claims against a supposed friend in a craven way, saying, he put confidential on each page. so what you have is i think the beginning of a drama. in terms of the truth is going to come out and it will come out first by maybe these conversations. we're going to see this document one way or the other with or without barr. with or without a court approving it. when we had in the past people who released grand jury testimony and people took the pentagon papers. this is another category in a constitutional crisis in which the country wants to know truth and long the truth. and it will either happen in a welcome to fowler, indiana. normal process or whoever is necessary, i believe. one of the windiest places in america. it is too important to the health of the nation. >> betsy? and home to three bp wind farms. >> i think part of the reason we're hearing rumblings from in the off-chance the wind ever stops blowing here... within the mueller probe now rather than a month ago is the the lights can keep on shining. result of the laws of physics. thanks to our natural gas. a smart partner to renewable energy. many of the prosecutors on the probe were working full time in it's always ready when needed.
the mueller's actual physical or... not. offices. sequestered away from the rest at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. of the world. they've gone back to the to help the world keep advancing. previous posts they had at doj and if you spent the last, upwards of two years working on mueller's team, everyone is going to ask you, what did you . that does it for the beat. find? one thing i can tell from you conversations with people in the "hardball" with chris matthews doj and very close to department is up next. the silent truth. officials, they are just as let's play "hardball." curious as everybody else about what mueller's investigators were up to. mueller's investigators are getting grilled. >> let me draw you out on that. we have a story broken by "the new york times." and then to use an industry good evening. term, matched or followed upon i'm chris matthews in washington where we are getting news from by other publications including the "washington post" and nbc. inside the mueller operation. last night the "new york times" so do you view this as something revealed that members of the being deliberately put out? special counsel's team told are you saying it might be a scuttlebutt. not a coordinated effort. associates they believed that william barr "failed to >> i don't want to speculate on adequately portray the findings motives of sources who spoke to other outlets. of their inquiry that were more what i can tell you, i know for a fact that people who worked on troubling for president trump than barr indicated." the probe who have gone back to
their prior jobs are facing lots reporting on this and lots of questions from their friends and from their colleagues within the justice department about what exactly they did over the last, almost two years. and the results are that conversations are happening. and things are percolating. >> i wonder if you would engage with me. betsy is being very careful, which we appreciate. i would observe as someone who has reported on legal stories, there are times when prosecutors, current and former, are asked by everyone, all kinds of things that are of intrigue and they're tight lipped. while i'm not, to be cheelear, not confirming anything right now. i am asking where it looked like more of a drum beat here. >> consider the fact that they had friends and associates outside the office for 22 months, and their discipline was almost monk-like in terms of keeping their mouth shut. the only time we hear anything is when they have reason to believe the nation is being
misled by barr. i think it is a good example of why it is the first amendment, the freedom of the press and freedom of the speech. this is how we correct government excesses and that's in my opinion whether it is happening. you're asking whether it is coordinated. i think these people were such that as former prosecutors and prosecutors as assistant special counsel, and as lifetime litigators, they can't, some part of them cannot stand to have the work they did for the nation misrepresented by barr who is doing the business of trump, rather than the business of the nation. >> and that's why this is not just a round robin about leaks. this is about whether or not the underlying issue is that the distortion, the misrepresentation, these allegations powered something that was a break from past practice. to remind everyone about that, we have not only "snl," betsy, but we have a highlight reel of
all the no comments that you tend to get in, when you and i have been covering this for so long. take a look. >> if you're the spokesman for the special counsel's office, your job is to never say anything. >> no comment from the special counsel's office. >> the special counsel's office basically never says spig ever about any story ever. >> the special counsel's office declined to comment. >> the special counsel's office is declining to comment. >> the special counsel's office almost never makes public comments. >> the final question is whether any of this looks like a prelude to what is said as the ultimate outcome, hearing from mueller under oath to the congress. >> i think there's no question. that tons of members of congress are extremely keen to hear mueller talk about his investigation and his investigation would be in the jurisdiction of the house judiciary committee which does