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election. >> thanks so much. and that does it for us here as ali velshi for "velshi & ruhle." >> and that election in israel, benjamin netanyahu on posters with donald trump. so -- >> exactly. >> good discussion. have a good afternoon, andrea. >> hello, everybody. i'm ali velshi. let's get smarter. >> i want to thank the president again for the tremendous opportunity to serve this country. i'm forever grateful and proud for the men and women of dhs who work so hard every day to protect the homeland. i look forward to continuing to support them from the outside. i spent the last 24 hours since yesterday talking with government officials, administration officials, members of congress to ensure a smooth transition. as you know, dhs has a vast array of missions. i want to make sure we continue to execute them all. i share the president's goal of
securing the border. i will continue to support all efforts to address the humanitarian and security crisis on the border. >> she never led the facts or the underlying data get in if way of a policy. >> while drug related murders have reached epidemic proportions, this is a phenomenon that has not tranlated to spill over into the guidan united states. >> absolutely. >> all stations. we have a church on fire. >> south louisiana community is on edge after three historically black churches burned in ten days. >> we do believe that crimes have occurred. we believe that the three fires obviously are not coincidental. >> we're doing everything we can collectively to solve this crime. >> 2020 heads to vegas. amy klobuchar and bernie sanders are speaking at a conference there as pete buttigieg gets
deeply deeply person. >> if you had offered me a pill to make my straight, i would have swallowed it before the time you were able to get me a glass of water. >> a lot to cover here. we know a little bit about the rift between the president and kirstjen nielsen that ultimately led to her resignation new reporting finds that president trump has four months urged his administration to reinstate large-scale separation of migrant families crossing the border. that's according to three officials. but nielsen resisted putting her at odds with the president. now nielsen is out. let's take a look at some of the policies she had a hand in. president, the -- policies that the president thought were too soft. she took over in december 2017
replacing john kelly. one of her closest allies. shortly thereafter, she was criticized by the president for an uptick in illegal immigration. she oversaw the zero tolerance policy that separated more than 2,800 migrant children from their parents. nearly a year later, some of these families remain separated. she defended the policy in first insisting that the administration had no such policy and later saying that other administrations had done the same and that it was up to congress to fix the problem. but despite her denials, the evidence was clear, images of children in cages recordings of children crying out for their parents. there were other policies that put her back into the president's good graces, back in october, she defended the president when he deployed more than 5,000 troops to the southern border. she blocked border patrol agents when they used tear gas near san
diego and she had a hand in a policy known as migrant protection protocols which require those who are seeking asylum to wait in mexico while their cases make their way through u.s. courts. none of these policies seemed to work. apprehensions at the border reached nearly 100,000 in march. that's the highest number in nearly a decade. if you think of all of this and you think it's bad, it gets worse. as speaker nancy pelosi notes, it is deeply alarming that the trump administration official who put children in cages is reportedly resigning because he's not extreme enough for the white house's liking. the president announced that kevin mcaleenan will take over as acting dhs security. of course he was the head of customs and border protection during the separation of migrant children from their families and
has not ruled out family separation as an option moving forward. joining me now is generation aher and was the -- good to have you here. you signed a letter supporting kirstjen nielsen in her post back in 2017. has your view on her changed since then? >> no. not ot all. one of the things you have to take a look is the current situation facing the country. it's a humanitarian crisis. there's also a border security crisis happening. as the border patrol agents are focusing on providing the most humanitarian care they can for the families, they're also being taken away from the mission which is keeping terrorists and drugs out of the country. >> however, secretary nielsen, whom you supported, had pushed a notion -- this is one of the many things she's done, there were more than 3,700 known or
suspected terrorists who are stopped trying to cross the border, according to customs and border patrol data. in realty, there were six immigrants who were in the terrorism database. but president trump continued to push that narrative even when confronted by our reporters, she didn't recant that. she lied. jason? >> i lost you right there at the -- can you repeat that last part. >> she had spread this idea of 3,755 migrants who were on the terrorist list when in fact there were six. she was shown to have lied about that and that continues to be a rallying cry for the president. doesn't that sort of change your view of all those people involved in this right now? >> no. it doesn't change my view. one of the things when you take a look at the numbers they can be represented in a variety of different ways.
whether that was the precise number that was -- >> that's 3,700 versus six. that's not close. >> the thing is, we're certainly don't want to have one exception -- >> i agree with you. but why lie about the number? >> i can't speak to the numbers, what the motivate might have been. >> i guess my point, jason, i want to hear your opinion on this, she's proved to have lied something that's key to this thing, and you continue to support her. >> i continue to support the mission of the department of homeland security who will be having a new secretary after wednesday of this week. i'm not going to go back and turn back the hands of time. i want to see the entire context. but i can tell you the front line men and women need to have leadership going forward. this is a challenging time to be changing out our secretary. >> the president is looking for somebody tougher than kirstjen nielsen. i laid out the degree to which most people would say is pretty tough. kevin mcaleenan has said he supports aide to central
american countries. that's completely at odds with the president's perspective, now what happens? >> it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. much like the military does, look at a strategy, and that's beginning at looking at the pull factors, what's happening here in the united states, but what are the pushing factors that occur in those countries of central america. what's being done from a rule of law standpoint to see what you can do to make that environment better for individuals so they don't feel the need to come here and making a very significant journey to the united states. that has to be looked at. i would begin with what's happening there in mexico and also what happens at our border. >> that's a nuanced view that the president and his advisors don't seem to share. >> certainly there's a lot of disagreement with a lot of things that come out of any administration. but i believe you need to be taking a look at the point of origin and stabilizing those
areas. >> thank you, jason. kirstjen nielsen is now the 11th cabinet level member of the trump administration to leave or get fired. reince priebus, was forced out of his post, he was replaced by john kelly, secretary of health and human services tom price resigned for spending nearly $400,000 on chart tered flights. rex tillerson, david shulkin was fired from the administration over a damning report that criticized unethical actions and wasteful spending. next up scott pruitt resigned after facing a number of controversies after the president criticized attorney general jeff sessions over his decision to recuse himself from the russia probe, he was fired in november of 2018. chief of staff john kelly resigned from his post in december and a few days later,
the secretary of the interior, ryan zinke, and james mattis resigned after clashing with the president over syria. this year, linda mcmahon resigned from her post and kirstjen nielsen became the latest cabinet member to leave her position as dhs secretary. up next, a disturbing trend in louisiana. three historically black churches burned to the ground in less than three days. we're going to go live to the scene of that investigation. loe intoubaru forester. (dad) it's good to be back. (mom) it sure is. (mom vo) over the years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things that were most important to us. we always knew we had a lot of life ahead of us. (mom) remember this? (mom vo) that's why we chose a car that we knew would be there for us through it all. (male vo) welcome to the all-new 2019 subaru forester. the longest-lasting, most trusted forester ever.
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this afternoon more than 100 state and federal investigators are converging on one small louisiana town where in just a ten-day period, three historically black churches have burned to the ground. the state fire marshall says he believes the fires are related but so far authorities have not been able to point to a clear motive. >> you see what i'm talking about, the building is gone. but the church is still alive. we're alive. we're awoke and it's helped us wake up a little more. >> nbcgabe, what have you learn?
>> good afternoon. this is mt. pleasant baptist church. you can see behind me, atf and fbi investigators are here on the scene. i'm joined right now by the pastor here, thank you so much, pastor, you just arrived here a few seconds ago, actually. how difficult has it been to sit here and look at what's become of your church. >> it ain't been easy. a lot of years, a lot of hard work right there. >> how long has this church been around. >> 145 years. >> have you spoken to investigators, what can you tell us about the latest -- >> they say they got some leads but they can't say anything right now because you might jeopardize their investigations. >> we should point out, the state fire marshalls office has stopped short of calling this
arson or a hate crime. do you believe this fire and others like it have been race-related? >> i don't know. we don't know who did it. if you put a race in it, then it makes it look like -- then it turns out to be something, it makes we look like we're pushing towards that. i'm not going to push towards that. i want to find out who did it, and why they did it. and then we'll go from there. >> that didn't stop you from worshiping -- >> no. you can't stop us. they might have totaled a building, but they didn't stop a church. we got people that is heartbroken, so we got to still give them a spiritual guidance because we don't want them to fall apart. there's a lot of -- those graves back there, that's their family right there. some of them have children back there. >> this has brought up even though again authorities have
not said exactly what caused this fire, they do say that it is related, but this has triggered a lot of painful memories in passionarts of the country. >> let me put it this way, they won't -- there's a -- what do i want to call that? atmosphere, that says we need to support the flag, we need to respect the flag and they don't realize i'm a veteran. i spent seven years for my country. and this is what people done to person that spent their time fighting for their country. it's heartbreaking there. i love this country. i was -- i wasn't born in africa. i was born in louisiana. that's all i know. okay. >> this must be hard for you. >> it's heartbreaking.
my daddy was a pastor for 21 years. that's 34 years of service to these people. >> pastor, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today. certainly a lot of unanswered questions in this community as investigators here on the scene both from the fbi and atf, more than a hundred investigators here and throughout the country trying to find out what's behind these fires at three historically black churches all burning within ten days within just a few miles. >> thank you for that conversation with the reverend. coming up, several democrats looking to take on the president in 2020 are taking their message directly to voters. we're going to look at the message and the very personal story that one of them shared. right now, astronauts on the international space station are about five hours into a space walk. you can looking at an astronaut
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." we are four months into 2019. the nbc news desk is deploying camera crews like election day was upon us. that's because in this hour alone, not one, not two, but three democratic presidential candidates, this is live right now are speaking. it's fast becoming the norm. this hour amy klobuchar and bernie sanders talking infrastructure at a las vegas conference. pete buttigieg right around the corner at a coffee shop in las vegas. this is him speaking earlier this weekend. buttigieg stole the spotlight over the weekend when he opened up his about personal journey while speaking to a crowd at an lgbt fund raiser. >> when i was younger, i would have done anything to not be gay. when i began to halfway realize
what it meant that i felt the way i did about people i saw in the hallways in school, it launched in people something i could only describe as a kind of war. and if that war had been settled on the terms that i would have wished for when i was 15 or 20 or even 25, i would not be standing here. if you had offered me a pill to make me straight, i would have swallowed it before you had time to get me a sip of water. it's a hard thing to think about now. it's hard to face the truth that there were times in my life where if you had shown me exactly what it was inside of me that made me gay, i would have cut it out with a knife. and the reason it's so awful to think about isn't just the knowledge that so many young people struggling to come to terms with their sexuality or their gender identity do just that, they harm themselves,
figuratively or literally. but the reason it's hard to think about, if i had had the chance to do that, i would never have found my way here. the best thing in my life, my marriage, might not have happened at all. thank god there was no pill. thank god there was no knife. speaking only for myself, i can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade. [ applause ] and that's the thing the mike pences of the world would understand. if you got a problem with who i am, your problem is not with me. your quarrel is with my creator. >> i want to bring in "washington post" political reporter who i sometimes turn to to help me -- help me parse these things. i've been paying close attention to pete buttigieg, as a lot of
voters. the new piece in "the washington post" highlights his relationship with christianity and lgbt rights. he talked about taking a pill to make him straight if he could have done that. cutting out that which is inside me that made me gay. and, you know, it causes a lot of people to ask questions. is that how a lot of people who -- is that how a lot of people feel as they're coming out? my executive producer said in her case, she did, what pete buttigieg said was something that a lot of people feel when they're coming out. who's he talking to? who's pete buttigieg talking to. the people who are gay know that, who's he talking to? >> there are quite a few different groups that pete is talking to and one group is young people who he was once like. these gay youth grappling with their sexuality and trying to reconcile it with their faith
and wondering if there is enough room for them within christianity despite the fact that they are not straight. and he's communicating that it does get better, that there is hope, they can find later in life people and communities and even congregations that let them know that there is a place for them in this world. and one thing i think this is really fascinating about pete's campaign, while many of the other candidates are regularly attacking donald trump, pete is pretty targeted on mike pence, the former governor of his state of indiana when it comes to lgbt issues and wants to communicate that despite pence developing a bit of a reputation of one of the more predominant faces of christianity in politics. pete wants to communicate that there are far more christians who are more accepting of people who are different than you would know if you only listened to the pences of the world. >> is there an appeal there to evangelicals more broadly. pete buttigieg does not seem to
be in conflict of with his faith. is he trying to send that message to evangelicals? >> certainly. there's been some criticism of pete saying that he's probably not going to win the conservative evangelicals that trump won. i don't think that's his goal or focus. i think what he's trying to do is reach voters including evangelicals who's faith is central to how they perceive policy and politics, but letting them know that they have to move forward in their faith in this world and this political climate with the values that value people more diversely than themselves and not like themselves and that faith can be bigger than what it's been communicated very regularly in this -- in these last few years since pence and trump have been in the white house. >> what's the value of the transparency in the campaign that pete buttigieg is showing. he's talking a lot about a topic that some would say down play if you're the mayor of a city you
are a road scholar, former road scholar, a military veteran, this isn't the thing to make central to your campaign. he doesn't seem to be troubled by that. >> no. because authenticity is always going to be a high value and priority for voters, especially when you're someone who doesn't have as much name recognition as pete buttigieg. very much the response to him has been who is this guy? and he's trying to answer that. he's trying to say this is who i am. this is the path that i've been on. and he's actually hitting on some universal themes of human beings being uncomfortable with who they are in their youth only to discover that who they are at their core is actually fine. it's great. and that they should actually use those experiences to put in place ideas, values and policies that make this country better for more people. >> you said in a tweet today in which you say lots of talk about how president trump has reshaped
the republican party, not as much talk about how he's reshaped american christianity, specific white evangelicals. what's the change you're talking about? >> there are some conservative christians attacking pete after his speech, thinking that -- or arguing that there's no way that conservative christians who voted for trump are going to look at pete's interpretation and understanding of his faith and support him and get behind that and align with him. and it's fascinating watching conservative christians look at someone like pete who is married who espouses traditional family middle western values and say he's far less attractive to conservative voters than someone who cheated on his third wife with multiple women and can't quote a bible verse. the fact that he continues to get high approval ratings from conservative christians is telling in terms of where conservative christians have focus and put their energy when it comes to politics moving
forward. >> very thoughtful analysis. thanks very much as always. great to have you here. up next, how much do americans know about the new trump tax code. we're going to have a look at of america's tax codes and what you need to know as the tax deadline approaches. people are out in space. these are images of astronauts performing delicate tasks in the vacuum of space. i'd last there for about 30 seconds. they are more than five hours in a planned six-hour space walk. i'm going to keep on going back to it because i can't get enough of this stuff. it's amazing. for all the stuff we explacompl about, look what's going on. people are walking around in space. you're watching "velshi & ruhle."
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is one of the moves that he wanted to make. an official similar with this planning says that there was no precipitating event that the president apparently had decided he wanted to do this before the last week's episode -- or the last weekend's episode -- the weekend before at mar-a-lago, where a woman from china came and said she was trying to attend a function that didn't exist there. she has a court appearance today. but they say the person that was familiar with this said it was not based on any single event, the decision was made before that incident at mar-a-lago and this was a decision to make these moves across dhs. that would also mean there are many other components within the department of homeland security, there's coast guard, there's the transportation security administration, we haven't heard of any changes pending in either of those agencies. but this is part of a huge
shakeup at dhs and it leaves now many of these components within the department of homeland security without a confirmed director. >> and there are a whole lot of issues there that we go go into. let's go back to this mar-a-lago incident where a chinese national came in. and she had a thumb drive that apparently had some mall ware on it, and there are all sorts -- >> let me say that the thinking on that has changed. the initially we were told that the supposition was that she may have been there to do something nefarious, perhaps she was going to spy or try to install that malware. in subsequent days, they're leaning against that thinking she did think she was there for an event. there was an event advertised in chinese language sources on social media saying that this
chinese american foundation was having a meeting at mar-a-lago, there was no such meeting planned, but there was an announcement that there would be one. we'll learn a little more when the federal authorities finish that court appearance. that seems to be moving away -- >> she said she was there to see this mr. charles and that's what sort of triggered that. you say maybe she -- i guess my bigger question is, tell me, again, how much of that had to do with this secret service chief who's out, you're saying possibly nothing, in other words, the decision may have been made prior to that? >> what we're told by somebody familiar with the thinking was that it had zero to do with it. i will say this, that that brings up an interesting point that the question of who should be in charge of who gets into mar-a-lago has been something of a bone of contention between the white house, between the trump organization that runs mar-a-lago, and the secret
service because the way it works now is, mar-a-lago decides who gets into mar-a-lago. they're paying guests, people who come to visit, not the secret service. all the secret service does is make sure they're on a list or they're not carrying anything hazardous, but there's been -- that's been a point of friction between the secret service and the white house and the trump organization. >> let's talk about randolph alice, he's a former marine corps major general and former acting deputy commissioner of u.s. customs and border control, but was appointed to ccb and the secret service under the trump administration. so he's a trump appointee. >> that's right. and things have i think it's fair to say have settled down under his leadership. we've had some problems with the secret service, an intruder jumping over the fence, another intruder going inside the white
house. in past years, the whole thing with -- all that has seemed to calm down under his leadership. you don't hear a lot about him partly because those sorts of problems with the secret service haven't been in the news. >> i want to bring in has beens nickels in. we're tribe to figure out what precipitated this by the president. and according to pete's reporting, we know that the current director of the secret service is going to be out. this falls under dhs so it gives you yet another example of the kind of chaos at dhs. but it appears there's all kinds of housecleaning taking place. we have the news about the secret service director it seem like it's the april of long nighs, if you will, ali. >> mr. alice is the first secret service director, in at least a century, to have not served in
the agency's ranks. the reason that's interesting is because as you said, there were some issues in the secret service that were dealt with largely under the obama administration but then some things happened that caused there to be some morale issues there, what -- do you know what this gentleman's reputation has been at the secret service. >> as i say, i think he's well regarded. he's been somewhat low key, but that's partly the result of the fact that there haven't been these problems and that's i think one of the reasons why the trump administration turned to someone who had not been in the secret service before. although, you know, that did break a pattern that -- of long standing. i don't think he's the first ever, but it's certainly the first in a long time. but on the other hand we've had people run the fbi, the atf, the marshal service, other law enforcement organizations who didn't serve in it before they took it over. >> let's broaden this out a little bit to an issue that's come up within the last 24
hours, regardless of the president's policy differences with kirstjen nielsen, one thing is to consider the degree to which the department of homeland security has some seriously staffing issues. >> it certainly does. the vacancy sign is up in many of these offices. there's no -- there soon will be no senate confirmed secretary, there's no deputy secretary. there's no fema director. there's no head of the policy department. there's no head of the science and technology branch. there's no permanent i.c.e. director and soon there's not going to be a head of the secret service. it's a huge agency with an extremely important mission. this is an issue. this is an issue for how well it runs and also for morale in the agency. >> and there are a lot of national security types who have expressed concern, regardless of policy differences, where we -- when the department of homeland
security was created and conceived out of the fact that there was some disarray in the way in which we handled national security threats and departments talk to each other, it is in fact for those of us old enough to remember and have covered 9/11, this was a solution to a very, very clear problem that was established after 9/11 about inter departmental coordination when it accomodation comes to t homeland. >> the right people weren't talking to the right people. you had a lot of different agencies scattered throughout the federal government that might have had intelligence on potential acts of terrorism. and the department of homeland security, which let's be clear, it is a ba hee myth. this is a massive agency and there are criticisms on how it's operated in the post 9/11 world. but the goal, the intent was to have everyone talking more to each other and not to be fighting with each other, but to be sharing information instead
of hoarding it. in a lot of the top positions, you don't have leadership that is in place and that has been there for a period of time. and that in a lot of ways could potentially bring up some of the same challenges you had before where you didn't have enough people talking to each other. when you have new faces, new people circulating in and out, they don't have the relationships there to always be in conversation. and that is the goal of the department of homeland security. >> right. >> i think -- this is a fast-moving story. we want to be very careful about what we know and don't know. we don't know whether or not this is personality based at least with the secret service or whether or not it's policy based or whether or not there are actual implications, security breaches, that the president and/or the first lady felt hadn't been adequately addressed and they needed to make a change to send a signal. >> as far as as we know right n now, it is not necessarily those things? >> well, what i'm told is that
it was not based on any single event and the decision was made, for example, before last week's issue at mar-a-lago and that there was no single precipitating event that led to it. >> but we don't know what the collection of events might be. >> just broadening this out a little bit in terms of what you were just talking about, the department of homeland security created in the days after 9/11, bringing these various agencies together, and its mission was always protecting the homeland from external threats and it's -- there are still people out there doing that every day. i'm sure people would say the mission won't suffer. these agencies are well motivated. but the fact is, it does have an affect on morale even if it doesn't affect operations. the other thing is this, i've been going to briefing at the department of homeland security since it was created under tom ridge before it was a full cabinet level position and we always used to talk about terrorism and threats like that.
now all we talk about is immigration. it's been a total obsession, unfortunately, they're sort of stuck with it, for the secretary as well. >> i'm glad you brought that up because, again, nobody thought you were that old, pete. it was created because of actual threats from people who were designed -- designing ways to harm america and now you would be forgiven if you've been in america for the last year that your reference to dhs is about immigrants and the southern border on immigration matters. thanks very much. i'll let you both go and collect more information on this. the secret service director is leaving his position. we're going to get more information on this as it becomes available. tax day is one week from today and this year marks the first year that americans are filing under the tax reform plan that president trump and republicans made law in december of 2017.
how are americans feeling about it? a new nbc poll suggests not so good. 28% thinking they'll pay nor in taxes this year. we can give you even more insight than that. because jake ward spoke to a young mom who learned about the impact of the change to the tax code. changes that could affect your bottom line. >> reporter: victoria says she used to look forward to filing her taxes. >> we typically get a refund, i get it done as soon as possible. >> but this year, instead of getting back the $5,000 she was expecting and that she and her husband got last year, the mom found they owed the government money. >> i called my husband immediately crying. i was in a large amount of stress at that point because it's a very -- it's almost traumatizing. >> reporter: the birth of their
new daughter, wright says her family was counting on the tax refund. right is one of millions of american for whom this season has been a source of surprise. 59% of americans who have filed the federal tax return so far has reported smaller refunds. >> 6% are going to get a tax increase, it's almost 10 million people. >> wright who manages a coffee house says that although she and her husband make less than $50,000, under new tax laws, they don't qualify for an earned income credit and they're no longer able to claim the personal deductions they claimed last year. who else is feeling the squeeze? well, those living in higher tax areas, under old tax code, taxpayers could deduct state and local taxes at tax time. but the new law caps the salt
deduction at $10,000 per household. and then there are employees who get a w-2 form and knocked off work-related expenses ranging from travel costs to union dues. they can no longer claim those deductions. president trump has argued that the new tax code has benefitted millions. >> with the tax cuts, the biggest in the history of our country, tax cuts with people having a lot more money in their pocket. >> and donald trump jr. has defended new tax laws saying of course refunds are down, people are paying less in taxes. a refund means you overpaid. as for wright, she says they're still trying to figure out what they're going to do about a lack of tax refund. she's now started a papypal me
fund. >> we live paycheck to paycheck. we can't save as of right now. >> jake ward joins me now. donald trump jr.'s tweet is lacking a little nuance. less money back despite the fact that it's, you know, they may not be paying more taxes. >> that's right. >> but the refund check is psychological to a lot of people, right? as a money guy i like to tell people in a perfect world there would be no refund check because you would never pay the government more money than you owed them. >> you are the rare person who understand how the system is supposed to work. if you're getting a refund that's the system not working correctly. they took more than they should have, inefficiency. >> they got to use your money. >> so what is happening is the bottom line here is 8 million americans who got a refund last year, are not going to get it this year. >> right. >> because so many of us, including myself, pay at the last minute, a quarter of those 8 mill people have no idea that's coming. >> right. >> you don't know yet. >> the surprise, the lack of planning, the expectation that tles going to be a check and
there isn't one. >> people are going to panic. there's a well established piece of scholarship in behavioral economics which you follow that says that we feel the emotional impact of losing something much more deeply than we feel the emotional impact of gaining something. even though the administration and everybody else is going to say no, you got the money, it came to you on a different scheduled, people will feel the pain of wait, i was expecting this thing. and then the other thing that's really important, everyone is living hand to mouth. 49% of americans can't put together 400 bucks in an emergency. victoria from our story she and her husband are selling her husband's car to make up for this lack of an expected refund. >> that's the bigger problem we need to deal with, we continue to have a society in which people who are working class and middle class can't make ends meet. >> that's right. >> as always great to see you. jake ward, technology correspondent. coming up next six people wounded at a family gathering in chicago over the weekend. two children.
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the reaction there? how do you react to this? >> i think it's the same as every chicagoan how we are all reacting that this is not only just unfortunate, it has become our new normal. i do believe as many chicagoans do, there is a way out of this and the only way out of this is for us to begin to look wholistically at solutions, everything from addressing trauma to thinking about economic opportunities in neighborhoods, providing pathways for people so we don't continue in this cycle of violence. >> what -- to what degree is this tied in with guns and gun laws? because gun laws in chicago are fairly stringent. is this something that has to happen on a socioeconomic level as opposed to a gun law level? >> yeah. so everyone knows when you think about chicago it does have some of the strictest laws in the country around guns and we know our borders are porous. we border with indian that has much more loose and lax gun laws and so the transportation of guns from indiana to illinois is
a consistent and persistent problem for many of chicagoans. we know that it's not just the guns that are the issue. that is the top of mind, obviously, for so many people, but it is the trauma that would allow a person to do what we saw this weekend, to shoot up a baby shower, to hurt their neighbor, to persist in these cycles of violence and so when we think about how do we create pathways forward for people so that this doesn't exist, we have to think wholistically. we have to think about everything from education to economic development. >> liz, thank you for joining us. liz dozer is a former high school principal in chicago. tomorrow could be a historic election in israel. if benjamin netanyahu wins another term he would become israel's longest serving prime minister in july. he is up against a challenger benny gatss a general is seeking to win a fourth consecutive fifth overall term.
in his close relationship with president trump has played a big part in this. i'm joined by chief global correspondent bill neeley. are the polls indicating something about the outcome tomorrow? it's always a little complicated in israel because it's never really an outright majority, but are the polls indicating a victory for netanyahu? >> absolutely right, ali. the one thing we have learned is don't trust the polls, but what they're saying is that this is neck and neck, it's a close race, and both the main contenders, benjamin netanyahu, the man who stands like a colossus over israeli politics for the last decade and his main challenger, a man he used to give orders to, he was the former head of israel's army, both those men on the streets today canvassing last-minute voters, trying to win votes. benny saying we're one step from victory and told me a couple nights ago, three times in 12 seconds, in fact, i'm confident of winning and benjamin net ya
su said he's winning, vote for me. this is the first time really in ten years netanyahu is getting a real run for his money. >> there are election posters going on that are up there in israel that show benjamin netanyahu with donald trump. donald trump is actually a factor in this election? >> he's so much a factor, it's almost like benjamin netanyahu is using president trump as a running mate. he's in his posters, he's in his election videos, praising benjamin netanyahu. president trump did say a couple days ago that both these main contenders were good guys. look, there's no question, president trump favors netanyahu. he's given him gifts before this election, moving the embassy, u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, recognizing israeli sovereignty over the golan heights, he's helped netanyahu a lot. netanyahu also being helped by president putin of russia. he visited him just five days
ago, so that's difficult for benny gants to compete against. gants has no political experience whatsoever, never run in an election, no foreign policy experience, but a man who is very well, very highly represented here in israel and as i said it does look like it's neck and neck. as you said at the beginning, israeli politics are not about first past the post, it's about coalition building. there are 40, 4-0, parties running in this election so the trick is getting the coalition together, a block of votes, that's what will get you to the prime minister's office. >> let me ask you about a comment that's very reminiscent about the last election in the closing days of the election, benjamin netanyahu has done something that is a departure from israeli standing policy, he's now opened the discussion about annexing the west bank. a lot of people think that's a good idea generally speaking netanyahu has not been on that side but tends to do this in a
run up to the election? >> yes. i mean i think he pressed the panic button because it's a close election, so he said if he was re-elected he would an next about 10% of it, home to about 400,000 jewish settlers. it is controversial. i was speaking to a former u.s. israeli ambassador to the u.s., a man who, indeed, is a deputy minister in netanyahu's office and he said look, americans shouldn't be surprised by this because it's been accepted for a decade that in the event of a peace deal, those settlements would be part of israeli land. he says that, but that doesn't mean it's gone down terribly well, certainly not with the palestinians who are very angry. for them, that land is part of their future state. just one more grenade, if you like, in this very controversial election. >> we'll be watching it clos