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we get headlines about amazon and other corporations, but i believe in small business. one of the things i look forward to doing during the course of the campaign is to releasing a plan on how i would make small business more successful. >> and we will hear more about that next time. secretary julian castro, thank you very much for joining us, really appreciate it. julian castro gets tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now.. tonight, the question remains what will congress and the people not allowed to be seen. how much will be covered by the black linings of redaction? democrats in congress are on guard because the top lawyer in our land sounded like he was protecting the boss. among the questions he would not answer, has the white house seen the mueller report? it's likely to come up again when he next appears hours from now. plus, the first reaction from putin since the mueller investigation wrapped up. it involves a mountain and a mouse. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a tuesday night.
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good evening from new york. day 810 of the trump administration. we heard from attorney general william barr for the first time since the mueller investigation wrapped up. as expected he took a pass on some questions entirely and hijd on others. but he talked about the process of removing sensitive information from the report during releasing it to the public. >> we will color code the excision from the report and we will provide explanatory snoets describing the base it for each redaction. this process is going along very well and my original timetable of being able to release this by
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mid april stands, within a week. i'll be in a position to release the report to the public. >> interesting. barr added he would engage the chairs of both the house and senate judiciary committees about any requests they may have. barr told lawmakers he is redacting grand jury material, information that could compromise intelligence sources, ongoing investigations and material that could violate privacy of people not charged. democrats peppered barr with questions concerning the report. >> the letter of the 24th you mr. mueller's office did not
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review that. if letter of the 29th, i don't believe that was reduced by mr. mueller. >> democrats are insisting they want to see a clean version, an unredacted version of the mueller report. congressman neata low we, chair of the house appropriations committee asked barr if the white house had had a chance to see the report. >> did the white house seen the report before or since you released the report, have they been briefed on what was in the letter? >> i've said what i'm going to say about the report today. i've issued three letters about it. >> will we have the complete report or are you going to be
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selective as to what you give members of congress. >> you mean the unredacted report? >> uh-huh. >> no. the first pass at this is going to produce a report that makes these redactions based on these four categories. >> here's how the new york times reported. specifically "in the past justice department officials have said in a mr. barr had not shown the white house any part of the report or briefed mr. trump's team. his demural on tuesday indicates the white house knows more about what mueller said. if attorney general was asking about mul irnot having reached a conclusion on the question of whether or not the president obstructed justice. >> can you elaborate on does not exonerate the president. >> that's the language from the report. >> i understand that.
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>> that's a statement made by the special counsel. >> right. >> which i reported as one of his bottom line conclusions. >> yes. >> i'm not in position to discuss that further until the report is out. comma he meant by exonerate, i can't answer. >> also, vladimir putin has weighed in. the associated press saying "le putin on tuesday marked the investigation saying a mountain gave birth to a mouse. he disregarded the special counsel's exposure. it was clear for us from the start that it would end like this, the russian leader said. let's bring in our leadoff panel on a tuesday night. democratic senator from minnesota clair mccaskill and jeremy bash, former chiefs of staff at cia and the pawn, and
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acting solicitor general during the obama administration. also happens to be a member of the justice department. kneel. i would like to begin you. you tell us what happened today. >> well, i think what happened -- it's fitting that you played that by putin. it was very kremlin-y. we saw barr testified before congress about how many efforts he's taken to prevent the american people and the congress from getting information, setting out these four categories, which are really expansive. privacy about peripheral third parties. we're not going to see information about. he has that color coding chart. it reminds me of the color coding after the horrible september 11 attacks, which was more security theater than anything else, and i fear this
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is going to be a much more public released theater and it's sounding like he is laying the seeds to not tell the american people everything that's in the mueller report. to tell congress everything that's in it. one telling fact today, he wouldn't even tell the american people if donald trump has been briefed on the report ahead of congress, ahead of the american people. that's the way putin operates. it's not the way american governments act. they went to court and got all the information to be given to containing. barr further said i'm not even going to bother doing that. i'm not going to try to get grand jury information released. needs american, it's not democratic and it's not zwi consistent with the rule of law.
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>> say we don't want to scorch people called before a grand jury. that said, if i were a senator on tomorrow's appropriation subcommittee, how would you go back at barr knowing, having seen that he's going to be a tough witness? >> i think, first of all, he's a really smart lawyer. he didn't want to make news today. he wanted to -- i'd like to ask him who's privilege rel, ivanka trump, jared kushner, his son? he wants to protect people who are not in the center of this. that probably needs to be defined. i would try to get that out of him. the other thing, he said at the first pass -- >> i noticed that. >> we're only going to show this. >> does that mean he's anticipating a fight with steps along the way?
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>> evidently. or why would he use that terminology? it's like he's acknowledging to can keep as much possible from you but it may be are that there will be another interest race where il reveal even more, which tells you all you need to know. then finally, why would he not want to tell us that -- i bet you a dollar the white house has seen this report. the president went nuts over the weekend on the mueller report again. a few moments ago he was oh, exonerated, this is great, this is wonderful. now he is trashing the mueller report which tells me they've seen it and they are very hopeful that barr will do their bidding. the president thinks he's his lawyer, not america's lawyer. >> what's the chance the white house has seen the report and as the senator is immyselfing, it
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may place some of the emphasis on the border we've seen these past 72 hours. >> i think if a question is opposed to the toermg and he's asked have you shared the report with the white house and he said i can't tell you, i think that means he has. the special counsel chose not to review the four-page summary. i think they're convinced that mueller wants to wash his hands. he was krnd that bill barr was esching somewhat of a misleading, prps, summary of the conclusions. you have to look no further than if fact that with respect to the part of the barr letter in which he said yes, the president was not exonerated, that said within 48 hours, i'm going to clear the president completely, even though the special counsel has taken two years to investigate
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this matter. when the rofrtd finally comes out, i hope there's not a lot of redactions there. >> neal, we got the term "standoff" to describe certain weapons that don't need to be fired while over the target. are you surprised thatle mueller is taking a standoff position? i thought we were being hold a few days back that he was going to be part of the review process. this is his work product, after all, and he's about to have a judgment cast upon it. he was going to be a part of the team deciding on which redactions were fine, which were perhaps too severe. >> yeah. i guess i'm not surprised, because i think this attorney general has acted with, i think, a little bit of not totally on the up and up. i think mueller recognizes that.
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this started last summer when barr wrote a 19 poichblg memo that said the president can't be guilty of obstruction of justice and it continued,s germany just stead, mueller pointedly says i can't resolve the obstruction of justice inquiry, blame because he wants to give it to congress. barr grashs it for himself and clears the president. then the president says, oh, the report clears me. all of these things are happening. i think it's smart of mueller to realize that barr may have said, oh, mueller's behind this. hoe supports what i'm doing. so by washing his hands of it i think he protects his ability to come forward in the future. if there's something that the gives me hope in all of this, it's that barr has to recognize that mueller at the end of the day can go and testify to
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congress. we presupposed that the special counsel would come from outside the justice department so that they couldn't be subject to a presidential order. so that's the ultimate safeguard. at the end to have day mueller can deaf before congress and say here's what i found. >> while i hatch to know you are preparing today for your next supreme court argument, here's what you missed in real time. you were not by name but by work product invoked today. i'll play this. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> it's interesting, because this whole mechanism for the special counsel, as i said, was established during the clinton innings in the wake a of ken starr's report. that's why the current rule says that the report sure kept confidential. there was a lot of reaction against the publication of ken starr's report. i think the situation here
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requires me to exercise my discretion to get as much information out as i can. i think these categories, i think most fare minded people will agree, are sthangs have to be redacted. >> what's the short version about what he might have gotten wright right or long. >> thank you for playing that. it's flatly wrong. they say no such thing, brian. they say the special counsel is to gave confidential report to the attorney general. the attorney general should review it for stuff r, sources and methods and stuff like that. those can be appropriately redablgted from a public version but there's nothing in the versions that allow the reports to be confidential. there's a provision we wrote in the regulation which provide for the push release of the attorney general's report. barr is not a special counsel. he is the attorney general.
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the provision about confidentiality only governs the special counsel, not the attorney general. of course, the attorney general can give such information to the congress and the american people. that's after all the job of the attorney general general to provide public confidence in the mayweather of justice. >> we did pay for 22 months of work. on behalf of the democrats who are demanding the clean version of this report, the folks watching tonight know how leaks work in washington. and they're worried that perhaps information we don't want in the public realm might get out. >> i think that's a fair concern. i do think that one of the things that's going to end up governing this going forward is going to be mueller's loyalty to the hard work of the law enforcement professionals that did this work. we know bob mueller has deep and abiding respect for the rule of law. they didn't leak. they did their work.
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i think he's going to want a that work to be respected. if barr goes too far with are taxes, i think barr probably nodes that mueller -- theis when mueller would be willing, i think, to push back. he doesn't want the work that his people did to be dismissed behind a lot of green 1245iding, retd shading, yellow shading or blue shading or whatever color the torge picks. i think mul every wanting to protect the process that his people went through and to save the -- show the public 2 facts, that the public should know, i think that will keep barr on this side of obnoxious in protecting the president. >> i want to at least get you on the record with a word on what's going on in that cabinet deputy. excuse me. this is not the division hoff weights and measures inside
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commerce, although though do important work. this is a violently important cabinet. we learned outgoing secretaries neilsen's leaving. trump wants to become active secretary. what's going on and what are the ramifications? >> he not only fires her but pushed aside a veteran of the department of homeland security. by law, she is the next in line, the succession. of course, this administration doesn't really expect the rule of law. they fired her and put in their own individual. i think it shows you the lengths to which the administration is goss to go to violate laws and undermine the senate's ability to do that. we have acting officials at defense and homeland security. a tuesday night massacre down at
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a couple of yards from here at the studios. >> you're nodding, senator. you have a few seconds. >> one of the most important thing that happened today is they're firing the laush at homeland security. he's tired of being told that what he wants them to do is illegal. steven miller is going to try to figure out how to put a lawyer in there that's going to tell the president what we wants to hear. >> thanks to our panel tonight. greatly appreciate your time. starting off our broadcast on a tuesday. coming up, more reaction to this barr testimony today as the senate gears up for its term tomorrow. the president says migrants are coming here to go to disneyland. we're breaking it down for you here on this tuesday night. eakiu here on this tuesday night
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. congress has need of the entire report, including the grand jury material, including all the -- any -- including everything. if we don't get everything, we will issue the subpoena and go to court. >> house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler democrat of new york getting the from his committee to speep the full mueller report, the clean version without the black lines of redachs. from what he said there he's prepared to do exactly that.
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democrats have made it clear, something the a.g. addressed today. >> in my judgment, it was important for people to know the bottom line conclusions of the report while we worked on necessary redactions to make the whole thing available. and as you know from your own experience, from a prosecutor's standpoint, the bottom line is binary which is charges or no charges? >> here with us to talk about it, anita kumar and john heilman. welcome to you both. anita, what was the white house reaction to the testimony and let's take on the democrats' worst near is that the top lawyer in the land has the president's back. is there confidence at the white house that that is indeed true?
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>> it's really interesting that he did not -- he declined to say whether the white house has seen the report. the white house has told us repeatedly they haven't seen the report. there's either a disconnect or the attorney general don't want to reveal what those conversations were about. i don't think their worry is nerm anymore worry than any other day when they're getting tletsz and simonesing. they have pushed back hard. they have sort of a strategy on how to deal with the house democrats, which is not to give much of anything, not-to-give anything personal for sure, of the president's and say we're going to ignore it. in many instances they're not even respond big letter, the customary letter you send back. i think they're probably feeling the same about it. >> as a fellow lynn gives, i'd
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like some intelligentsia words. we're waiting on the narrative, by fair, go invest in the word my fair, because everybody's starting to use it. >> the false binary. >> i knew i were going to add stlul that. number two, the actual question for you, can this report contain real good news for the white house. and the question is where are we going from here? >> i think it's pretty evident that things are dwrgs to get worse for the white house as it goes forward, which brings into question the political strategy. that's what it is, right? it's increasingly difficult. you listen to the guests in the first block tonight. you think about -- you listen to the attorney general today in congress. it is ij creasingly hard for people of good will, who wish for the attorney general to be not a political actor at this
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moment in particular manned in general. it's almost impossible now to not see him as a political actor given the flimsiness of the investigations, given the length he's going to protect the president. hi made a p.r. judgment to do this. it strikes me as a foolish one in that the theory of the case seems to be get the best possible case out early, cement perceptions and the the president will be able to kwlam con race. people will not notice. >> part one has happened. >> it's happened but i think it's a whoaful misreading where everything vanishes into the air. winning the day is not winning if day. it's winning the last day of the argument. seems that the trojan trajector
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. president obama separated the children. thoz cages that were shown, i
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think they were very inappropriate. they were built by president obama's administration, not by trump. president obama had child separation. i didn't have -- i'm the one that stopped it. president obama mad child separation. i'll tell you something. once you don't have it, that's why you see many more people coming. they're coming like it's a picnic because it's like let's go to disneyland. >> president trump blaming obama for separating families. trump denied accusations but his critics were quick to point out that obama separated families only when the child's welfare was in question. >> now separating rhetoric from reality when it comes to immigration in america.
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the trump administration did separate families. more than 2300 children have been separated by their families by last spring and the trump administration detained children in cages. >> shepherd smith at fox news. the washington post sums up the current state of play. trump's increasingly erratic behavior over the last 12 days before he attempted to seal the border has alarmed top republicans, business officials and foreign leaders who fear that his emotional response might exacerbate problems at the border, harm the u.s. economy and degrade national security. anita and john have stayed with us. is this his go-to zen place? you hear him now repeating the sound bites of the points he wants brauftsd like this to play and is -- as someone today said,
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is that scene in the oval office a glance we need? >> i'm trying to work out the theory of zen. it is -- there's no doubt. it's his go-to place. i think there's a lot of april calculation involved in what he does in this area. i think he is looking towards 2020. he understands how difficult re-election is going to be. he thinks he can win. as with everything, the only touch stone of his entire administration has been to his deficit because he hasn't grown his face at all, but feeding the base, stoking the ire of those with him has been his sole political lodestar. that's the thing. of course we could point out that he said he was going to
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build a great big wall with 34eks co's -- if he doesn't keep riding this issue, it could kogs him re-election. we could name 30 things that would cost him. this is one where he believes -- people say these a racist, a xenophobic, cruel, doesn't care about putting children in cages, and probably it's true. most importantly, he doesn't know much else about politics exempt how to keep those people with him and he thinks this is the key to that. >> aneat i've, time will forever record that it was when we first saw a video with the president's stamp on it. it's dwark. it ends with the brand name of trump 2020, at re-election theme video. it starts with a listing of grieve arches.
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weir told it's just a trump super fan who put this together. this does not have the stamp of approval of the campaign but the president has put it out into the bloodstream. first they ignore you, cnn they laugh at you, then they call you racist. >> yes, i was sure from the trump campaign but i think it's from a fan. i think we'll continue to see things like this. as you know, the president is a fan of videos are. he put something out particular similar. he's very into this stage craft. even if they didn't put it out we're going to see videos and steams like this. we're going to see campaign things like this. it was very interesting. obviously, there was a lot in there about things that they say he has accomplished, right. the stock market, north korea.
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there was an awful lot of hillary clinton in there and bill clinton was in there. it's a look back at 2016 while they're trying to go to 2020, which is sort of what president trump does. >> thanks to you both. thank you very much for being with us as always. coming up, badly in need of historical perspective, we called the history boys, meacham, beschloss right here in the studio after this. e in the studio after this.
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. joirks as we have noted, this administration seems to be in the habit of breaking normgs and protocols. washington post columnist max writes "the real national emergency smtd at the border. it'ses in washington.
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trump is trashing the rule of law to stay in power. the very same republicans who excoriated president barack obama for his supposed misuse of executive power are meekly going along. than note we're joined by two of the most widely red autders of our age. michael beschloss and pulitzer prize winner john meacham is here. it's been a few weeks. co-aut orred with tim mcgraw. i guess we can expect something with janni. welcome, thank you for coming on. before we veer into country music i'll start with you. yesterday alone a personal at the department of security and orders apparently from the
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administration to tell folks to go ahead and break laws if they've come up against resistance. as i always ask you what is happening right now as with watch? >> it's a rolling saturday night massacre at this point. and you have to me one of the things that i haven't heard many people comment on is if you believe in the mission of the department of homeland security whether or not we reaching the point where the department is in gaining because people charged with executing the defense are not in place? >> athlete northern cabinet. >> created in the wake of the deadliest day in american history. created to -- and having, knock on wood, praise the lord, wherever you stand on the spectrum, whatever you want to say, remarkably successful. right now because of this, i would argue largely manufactured crisis at the border, we're now
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in a position to -- where the people charged with our safety are missing. because the president is using this as an it logical paintball field as oh mowsed to taking it seriously. >> michael, we cover this events as the shieby object of the day, because the job going narrative of this administration has been the russia investigation. but the shiny october beingbecome histories. gentleman especially if they result in a catastrophe and one of the shiny objects it's a skint pattern but we've seen it a lot this week is this president's disrespect for the rule of law chchlt again is very much out of the pattern of history. you know, i always used to think that richard nixon was a one-time fluke. he skrd something called the houston plan in 1970 to combat
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misdomestic political enemies, people against the war, with domestic surveillance and burglaries and actually, you know, approved plaers and other things that led to the watergate scandal. the things we've seen from donald trump over the years has an attempt to put watergate in the shade. >> everybody knows the date april 12th and why it's important in the last century. remind our viewers about whoopd on that date upcoming and how far we've traveled that day? >> president franklin roosevelt was in georgia where the salt water ponds ray allowed him to have a sense of movement. the back of the cottage was built as a prou of a ship. he was faint h painted and had a
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cerebral hemorrhage die that afternoon after 12 years in office, the longest american president will never match h that again. >> let's hope. >> unless they start suspending elections. >> yeah. you had that moment where a president had come in at a time of an kpigs ten shall confidence. he said the only things we have to fear is fear itself. fascinating that he used the word payrollize. he knew in his own life that you could overcome and he believes he could make the country walk again. did during the depression, led us to victory in world war ii. michael's written a brilliant book about that. you had a modern era which good
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afternoon with dr. william mckinley, goes throughing fdr. truman drops the bomb. the possibilities of arm gets an are quite real. the entire modern presidency, in a way, has been created by roosevelt in order to govern both the relation of the state and the marketplace and the relative projection of power against our foes and rivals. to me, what's so striking about this moment is if you think about american history in the modern era as being find of a figurativ figurative, that was -- we're not in a coherent squep shall chapter to that story. >> the history boys have agreed to stay with us. when we return, there's more to discuss from just today in this up precedented presidency when we return.
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. that's it. somebody should run against john mckind, who has been, you know, in my opinion has been not so hot. i raised a million dollars for him. that's a lot. he lost. he let us down. so i never liked him as much after that, because i don't like losers. frankly -- he's not a -- >> he's a war hero. >> he's a war hero who was captured. i like people who kwrnt captured, i hate to tell you. >> that was in july 2015. many people thought in the moment that it might end his month-old presidential campaign right then and there. as we later learned, it has not. the president has doubled down for his dislike of the now dead
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american hero john mccain. soipds like p.o.w.s have not been his thing. he did what others have done on this date by declaring it as -- still with us, beschloss and meacham. no mention, no renchs. he was blocks away from the hanoi hilton. no visit. it's not his thing. >> rts gross and disrespectful to the memory of john mccain and self-knowledge is not donald trump. you wonder it occurred to him when he was approving the idea of a national p.o.w. gay that this was not exactly in sync where the terrible kmengts he made about john mccain four years ago when he was begin inning to run for president. i just don't get it. this doesn't help him in any way
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that i can see. >> john meacham, last night we aired part of a speech, fort wayne indiana. it was about his life in large part as a gay man in this country. the last item on a long resume, he's a lot of things. he's a harvard dprad, a rhoads scholar. he's also declared running for. . we made the comparison to the obama race speech in that it might live past its moment. do you see the potential for echoes in what he said? >> absolutely. as we've discussed before, the soeshology on this -- >> south bend, not ford wayne. forgive me. >> they're close together. >> nothing has moved faster than the question of broader acceptance of differing najs
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from sexual identity. june 25th, the mornings of the marriage evaluates decision. president obama goes to charleston to speak at the church where there hsh the terrible shooting. >> seems as lot longer than four years. >> isn't it good? you saw the new america and the tragedy shadows of the old america. i think a figure like the mayor,st time is exactly right for him to become a significant national player. i don't know what his vote getting ability is at all but he's helped shape the conversation rr. >> i think this is the fastest moving publish i've ever seen. based on sheer math, the number of american families with a friend that's part of the lgbt community. >> slightly. go back to 2004, george wvrmt
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george w. bush to some extent got re-elected on opposing gay marriage and generating voter opposition to the idea of marriage equality in a number of states. that w . >> when i wrote the book about president bush senior one of the last questions we had, there were some entries from his diary where he was pretty harsh on the politics of gay americans. i said what are your thoughts at this 30i79? he wrote me a note that said people should love who they love and marry who they love. >> yeah. . >> i guess you could say i've mellowed. >> and it makes you feel better when you see. s who mellow at the end. sometimes it happens in office.
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>> they use respect instead of -- >> great leaders do that. >> special greetings to everybody in the home of notre dame university. thanks to you. coming up for us, that feeling when you realize you're a member of a group you've been explaining about for years. this man had that feeling today when we come back. that feeling when we come back.
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. last thing before we go. you have perhaps heard bernie sanders railing about a specific grew up in american life and society. the people he constantly messages in speeches, especially during his last run for president. >> the priorities up on the hill are not for working people. they are tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. millionaires and billionaires. fwl airs and millionaires. millions args and billionaires. >> we can run a strong and winning campaign withouts having millionaires and billionaires for a nickel. >> we will no longer tolerate the greed of wooetd, the greed of corporate moerk and the
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billionaire class. >> fir chully every campaign, republicans are everywhere. it's dependent on super p.a.c.s funded by millionaires. >> well, guess who's a millionaire? with all the hubbub about donald trump releasing his tax returns, bernie has only ever released one year. that was as a candidate back in 2016. naturally people have been security as to why. he don't know the answer why with you beknow. instantly his recent speeches have reached billion air force more that were millionaires and perhaps this is a related item. he conceded today in an interview request the new york times that while he's not a billionaire, he's a millionaire. i wrote a best-selling book. if you can write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too.
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that does it for us and ends our broadcast for this tuesday night. thanks for being with us. good night from our nbc headquarters here in new york. h. tonight on all in -- >> i don't intend at this stage to send the full un redacted report. >> he plays keep away. >> i was not interested in summarizing. >> democrats promise a subpoena fight. >> if we don't get everything, we will issue the subpoena and go to court. >> why william barr refused the summary and why he refused to say whether the white house has seen the mueller report. how democrats are planning to get the un redacted report from adam schiff. from health care to tax returns to the border. >> we are bucking a court system that never ever rules for us. >> why two top republicans are

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