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it's frame largely decimated. the fire mercifully spared the church's famous facade, the rose windows, the bell towers and the gargoyles, already, hundreds of millions of euros have been donated from across the world to rebuild notre dame, rebuild because that is what the french expect. as the washington post james macaulay writes, the challenge now will not be to rebuild the structure, but what it represented, the security, the safety the eternity, it may be only partially possible as victor hugo wrote, a novel inspired by this cathedral, great ed fitnesses are the work of ages. joining me now from paris, chris jansing and james macaulay. you we also have anne thompson,
chris, i want to go to you first, what do we know now about how the efforts are unfolding to rebuild and salvage what's insi inside. >> they're intense already, we expect to learn more about that we're waiting for emmanuel macron to hold a news conference. we also saw and you showed some of the pictures, there was a large crane there and there were inspections that seemed to be going on earlier in the day. we noticed some members of the french government were inside. >> chris, i'm going to -- if you could just pautz for one second. i'm sorry to interrupt you, we're going to go to the french president speaking now. >> translator: many have been destroyed by war, revolution, mistakes made by man. but each time, we have rebuilt
them. the fire at noter dame reminds us that our history never stops, never and that we always have to succumb to these type of obstacles. what we believe in some ways, is indestructible can be destroyed. for this reason it's fragile. and we must not forget that. it's for us, french people today to be able to assure this continuity, which is the french nation, it's for this reason tonight that i wanted in a very direct way to address you, because it's our duty today, and
it's what we must keep in mind, nothing less. i will come back to you like i had had said i would in the next few days, so that we can act collectively following our grand debates. it's not the moment to do that now. tomorrow politics and we'll take over again. but the moment now -- it's not that moment now. let's remember instead these last hours, yesterday evening. this morning. everybody gave what they could. the firemen battled that fire, put their lives on the line. policemen were there like every occasion. french people were emotional, they trembled. people from abroad cried,
journalists wrote and photographers showed those photos of the notre dame cathedral, and people donated what they could. everybody gave what they could. everybody -- and i say to you tonight with strength, we are that people who builds. we have a lot to build. we will build the cathedral of notre dame even more beautiful than it was, but this must be done in five years. we can do that. and we will mobilize to do this. after this testing time, well reflect and we will act. let's not be trapped by wanting to act too fast.
i understand all the pressures, i know this false impatience that we have to act on every instance and announce what we're going to do at which date, as if to be the head of a country was to administer things and not be conscious of the history of the time, and i believe very deeply that we can change this catastrophe in an occasion to come together, to have deeply thought together about what we were and what we are to become. to become better than we are today. it's our duty to find our national project. the one that made us, that unites us. a human project that's passionate
passionately french. >> and french people and people from abroad who love paris, that i share your pain. but i also share your hope. we now have to act. and we will act. and we will succeed. long live france. >> well, you've been hearing the french president -- >> the president of france there, you were hearing a translation simultaneously with his remarks in french. giving a commitment to rebuild notre dame, chris jansing in five years he said, a very ambitious undertaking. tell us a little bit about what you thought from the president of france. and that's a huge project to do so quickly. clearly a lot of commitment from the people of france.
>> the enormity of what happened here is starting to sink in, and i think anybody who understands, not just a building and has seen the pictures and understands what a huge undertaking this is going to be, not just in terms of the physical structure, but politically, all the different groups that will be involved in deciding how this rebuilding gets done. in some years, five years seems ambitious i think for a lot of people both here and in paris and around the world, where 35,000 people go every day, 13 million a year, the most visited site in paris, could be closed for the next five years is again sort of a sucker punch, helping you to understand just the enormity of what was lost. we have some sense of that, we know that these initial looks by investigators today, they said there are some vulnerabilities.
we know the roof is two thirds gone. what is inside this church is exposed to the elements, but the intricacies of what faces them in the rebuilding are enormous, if there's a really good piece of news, and some people here have expressed their thanks for what they've heard today, it's more than 600 million euros has already been pledged including 300 million by two french billionaires, toward the rebuilding of this, so there are already conversations about it. i will say there was an art historian who spent a long time going in and making 3-d precise images of every aspect of this church, to within five millimeters, every stone, every
timber. they have that kind of information as they look to see how this gets rebuilt, what the time line is, and what it will look like. for right now, what is most striking as night starts to fall here in paris, is what you mentioned at the top, the skyline of france, the skyline of paris has been transformed. you cannot look at this building and not be struck by the missing spe speier. >> it really is something for those of us who know what this holy place was like. you have written some posts about what this cathedral means. you said that the fall of notre dame is a body blow to paris and all this represents, the cathedral, completed in the 14th century, has with stood the test of time and the assault of
history. notre dame shur vived the french revolution when revolutionaries smashed their statues under the mistaken view that they were french kings instead. the paris commune in the spring of 1871 and two world wars, including hitler's foiled plans to raze the city to the ground in 1944 is paris burning. this is what hitler asked just before paris was liberated from nazi occupation earlier that year. the answer then and since has been never. but then comes monday afternoon, and the unshakable bedroom was much more fragile than any could imagine. i think we heard the french president speak to this in his address just then to the country. what did you hear in what he had to say to the people of his country. >> you know, i think it's it's a
good question. but for me, macron is always at his best when he talks about history and culture. that's a real talent of his. while all of that is true and it was unbelievable to sit in front of the crowd and watch last night, the roof collapse in less than an hour, along with the spire. i can't describe to you how shocking that was to see. you can see behind me the structure, and one thing that has to be said as well, is that the -- this medival structure survived. yes, major portions of it disintegrated, but a lot of it survived. i think in a way, macron was speaking to the continuity of this history that remains a fact of life in this city.
and sort of always has been for quite a while now. that's always been kind of the magic of the place. in medival times when the cathedral was built, it was the backdrop no matter where you were, because of its sheer size. what's amazing in paris today, it's the same. you see notre dame when you're not expecting to. it's retained its medieval perspective. that's the way it remains for us. i think notre dame is still with us, and she's still very beautiful as you can see behind me. >> very important point amid all of this. anne thompson this building, obviously, extraordinarily significant in the life of the city, and the life of the church. but there's also quite a few things inside that building that
we are still apparently reckoning with, trying to figure out what's been saved and what's been damaged. what can you tell us about the sacred artifacts that were in notre dame. >> they got many of them out, in fact there are pictures that were posted today about the chandeliers. we understand there was a human chain formed, once the fire started with the first responders getting out things like a relic of the crown of thorns that christ supposedly wore on the day he was crucified. which christians and celebrates will celebrate this friday, it's called good friday, it may be the most valuable thing inside notre dame at that point, but the other thing that's happening is, the catholic world is rallying, not just to noter dame's side, but to the side of the french people, pope francis
this afternoon had a phone conversation with president macron offering his, what he calls his closeness, his concern for the french people as they deal with this tragedy. the vatican is ready to offer its experts in restoration to help the cathedral rebuild and here in the states, the university of notre dame, which is in south bend indiana has announced it's going to donate 100,0 $100,000. it will ring its bells 50 times, you will hear a lot of that from catholic churches across the country. that's significant because 50 is the number of hail mary's in the rosary, and the rosary is what catholics pray to our lady and our lady is notre dame. >> really quite remarkable. you mentioned the restoration experts for the vatican, we heard macron say he's committed to rebuilding this cathedral in
five years. that may seem like a long time to some. i was immediately struck by that feeling, it's a pretty ambitious plan. what's your sense? >> i think absolutely. especially when you consider that notre dame was built over centuries, to the structure that we know -- we knew until yesterday. it does seem very ambitious, but you have to remember this is an entirely different time. and there's a great sense in the last 24 hours of coming together, they've raised over $600 million at last count. many of it from major french corporations, because people understand that this is not just a church. it really is the symbol of france on so many different levels. and paris, and even the country of france would not be the same if notre dame was left in ruins. it can't be left in ruins, it has to be rebuilt. and i think that's particularly significant during this holy week, the holiest week of the year in the christian and catholic faiths, and it is a
time of both death and resurrection, we have seen that here at the cathedral of notre dame. >> absolutely, anne thompson, chris jansen, james macaulay thank you all for your insights today. when taking a risk becomes a win. what got bernie sanders cheers last night on fox news. the president tossed around the idea of moving my grants to sanctuary cities, now, congress wants to know why. right after this break, the president says he's not worried about what's inside the mueller report, inside the west wing a completely different story. discover.
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nbc news has exclusively learned of breakdown level anxiety among current and former trump staffers, regarding the imminent release of the mueller report, which is expected to arrive in less than 48 hours associates of the president were instructed to cooperate fully with robert mueller's team, now they're terrified that the extent of their cooperation will be made public. they got asked questions and told the truth, now they're worried the wrath will follow. one former white house official said, their fear is understandable considering the president has demonstrated that very wrath against the mueller investigation for the better part of two years now, including twice on twitter, and that was just this morning. of course, how much of the report is made public remains to be seen.
william bar claims to be committed to transparency, he also concedes that significant redactions will be made to the report. perhaps most notable. barr's promise to redact information that could infringe on the personal privacy and reputations of peripheral third parties. our big question today is, how much of mueller's report will we ultimately get to see. joining me now, nbc national reporter carol lee and msnbc political analyst phillip rucker. former deputy assistant attorney general, elliot williams. carol lee, first to you, i do think that big question of the day has been the question hovering over washington for however -- a year, plus now since this entire investigation started. walk us through why these officials are so concerned, and
do they feel as though they might be protected by some of these redactions of grand jury material? >> they don't know, that's where the anxiety comes from, what we've learned is that they're realliried about, they were told they had to cooperate that was what they should do, the only thing to do in that scenario is to be completely forthcoming and tell the truth, and some of the truths that they have told are not going to make the president look good. according to people we talk to, it's things we've already seen from the president in terms of different things that he's done that were part of the obstruction investigation. and their worry is that the president will either see their names explicitly in this report, they have not -- they tried to figure out if that's going to happen and have not been able to get an answer. or if it will be what someone had described to us as a bob
woodward style book, where everyone does the guessing game, and it's obvious who it is. there may be situations where it was just one person who would be privy to the information on the report. and that's something the president would know and so we've seen the president be willing to unleash. so they're worried they could be the target of something like that, if it becomes obvious they were behind the damaging information that came out. >> what's your sense behind the scenes of just how deep this kind of concern runs. you never really know. >> this is a president who's going to karin tensely about every word that's in that report, and he's going to be looking to seek revenge. to the extent the report is damaging to him, he's going to feel like there are leakers or people who are disloyal to him, we saw that with this anonymous
editorial in the new york times last fall, from a senior administration official, the president spent weeks trying to rat out that person, figure out who that official is, there was a hunt for that person, in this case, it's going to be a narrative of decisions trump made, things he said privately with his advisers and he's going to be curious and want to know who it is that said all of that, these officials do everything and cause to be concerned. >> what's the difference between the cause of concern for these white house officials that we're reporting on losing their jobs and the political reality for the white house? what is the level of concern that this version of the report is going to be that much more damaging to the president than the summary was. or did they feel like the summary inoculated them. >> the big issue is, they don't know what the report is going to say, and how much the public is going to learn. i remember an official early on in the administration,
interrupting meetings to say, did you hire your lawyer. are you ready for what's coming when you work with president trump? the people that were working in the white house, while they wanted to be loyal to the president, and some of them were happy to be working with the president, they also had to protect themselves, i think what you're seeing with this anxiety is a president who's going to be looking at this report, really looking at every word, but wondering, who was really protecting themselves and who was protecting me. the people who the president thinks weren't protecting him enough could face his wrath. >> the bars redactions fall into a series of categories. there's classified information, material related to ongoing investigations and information that could infringe on the peripheral third parties, are these staffers likely to be
covered by this? >> it's a criminal investigation, everyone has something embarrassing about them. they don't seem to be concerned about whether they'll face criminal liability or they don't seem concerned about whether we're honest with law enforcement. they're concerned whether the president will be mad at them. it gets back to this question that loyalty in this white house seems to trump norms of government and law enforcement. so we'll see, you know, it's you -- >> for them, it's the smarter play. you lie to robert mueller, isn't your life potentially kind of in ruins, generally speaking? the smart play was not to take a job in this white house because of the position you're put in as an attorney or law enforcement official. >> it's important to remember, there's no treachery here, these officials were told to cooperate
with the investigation. the white house gave a green light for all these officials to be witnesses to mueller. they were advised to help, to cooperate, to provide their emails, their documentation, their notes to sit for these interviews, they're just doing what they're told to do. >> you're seeing the evolution in the president's legal strategy over the course of the two years of this, where in the beginning, folks were directed to cooperate and so on, and at a certain point when giuliani and the new wave of attorneys came in, the approach was hey these folks are bad, the planning got you, and it's a deep state conspiracy you have to stay away from. now you're seeing -- >> right, the repercussions are going to play out here at the end. one of the big questions that we've had about how this process has unfolded is the white house has learned about the report. i know kristen welker has reported that jay sek u low has told her they haven't seen it. at the same time, william barr
was not clear about it, he did not answer the question directly when he was testifying on capitol hill. did you learn anything about how much the white house does know or not. >> one of the things we learned is that people really just don't know, and not only that, can't get the answers that they feel like they probably should have, based on the fact that they cooperated. from that perspective, and that also includes some of the white house. as you guys were just talking about, that was the initial strategy, cooperation. i think that no one knows, and that is what is really hanging over this. and that's what according to our colleagues at the white house. that's why the president's legal team is coming up with a variety of options to try to figure out how we're going to need to respond. whether they're in a situation
like when the barr summary came out, and they found that they didn't need to be as aggressive, because it actually worked more in their favor. so i think they're gaming out what they can already know based on who talked to who, what information is already known and trying to figure out a strategy from there, our understanding is that no one has a comprehensive understanding of what's in this report. >> what do we know about what the white house is preparing for saturday. >> they have plans for what they would argue and say in the aftermath they did enough to execute those plans a few weeks ago, because of barr's conclusion. based on what the report says, especially on the case of obstruction of justice, they have prepared arguments and defenses for the president. rudy giuliani has this counter
report we've not seen yet. maybe it will come out thursday, who knows. they plan for these contingen contingencies and they've thought it through. >> thank you all for your insights today as always. in the past 24 hours, there's been some pivotal news on the 2020 front first president trump will get a challenger for the gop nomination. william weld announced his candidacy with a tweet that said, i'm in. and last night, pete buttigieg got personal, the first openly gay presidential candidate sat down with an interview with racial maddow. it's bernie sanders fox news town hall that's getting the biggest buzz today he took a political risk, headlining a town hall on the right leaning
network, but it was a risk that ultimately paid off sanders touted his medicare for all plan, and refused to apologize for his newfound wealth. >> how many people get their insurance from work, right now? how many get it from private insurance. of those, how many are willing to transitions to what the senator says, a government run system. >> you raise the issue i'm a millionaire, this year we had $560,000 income. that's a lot of money, and that money in my case, my wife's case, it came from a book that wrote. a pretty good book, you might want to read it, it was a bestseller, sold all over the world, and we made money. if anyone thinks i should apologize for writing a best selling book, i'm sorry, i'm not going to do it. i guess the president watches your network a little bit. hey, president trump, my wife and i just released 10 years,
please do the same, let the american people know. >> one person who wasn't so happy with
bernie's appearance was, you guessed it, the president. who tweeted this, so weird to watch crazy bernie on fox news, not surprisingly the audience were smyly and nice. and now we have donna brazil? joining me now, the executive director of demand justice and former press secretary for the clinton campaign, brian fallin. we also have the editor in chief of the bull work. thank you all for being here with me today. i want to start with you -- bernie got quite the reception at that town hall. he had been criticized for playing with fox news. the democratic party often goes after their existence.
>> i think it was a smart move for him to go on fox news. i think there are a lot of swing voters that need to be talked to, i think it was a smart move. it was a rocky kind of debate. i thought the fox news folks came on wearing their maga hats, but bernie handled himself very well. he made an effective case especially taking on donald trump for failure to release his taxes. you have the president still fails to release his taxes. we don't know what kind of conflicts of interest he has, whether he's paying taxes. i thought that was an effective thing. and obviously, the medicare for all piece shocked the fox news folks. >> brian, what do you make of this medicare for all piece? this has been something, there's been an intraparty squabbling in the last couple days around this
issue, it's spilled out with center for american progress and others clearly that party was into the medicare for all idea there are establishment democrats who are afraid of bernie sanders because ideas like this are too extreme. where do you think the party is right now? >> after 2016 you saw anyone that was thinking of running for president, decided they wanted to co responsible bernie sanders medicare for all legislation he had avenue senator now running for president standing with him. in the couple years since, you've seen some washington democrats start to get nervous about the implications of that proposal. if you recall kamala harris answers the question about the true implications about the medicare for all bill. and that spooked a lot of mainstream democrats, you see some alternative proposals that won the go as far as bernie's
proposals that a lot of the mainstream democrats are starting to coalesce around. they're sticking with bernie, because at the end of the day, he's the one that is being the loudest and proudest about the undiluted medicare for all. >> do you think democrats should go on fox news the way bernie did? >> i think it was a win for bernie last night. you did hear a lot of activists put pressure on the dnc a couple months ago, and the reason for that was simple, fox is not a legitimate news outlet, and the activist class did not want the dnc to normalize fox by giving it a debate. on the other hand individual candidates have individual interests. the ability to go into the arena and joust with bret baier and
the fox hosts is an opportunity to rouse your people. i don't think he'll be the last person to make this decision. i think it's an opportunity for those candidates who want to be seen as electable show they can win over voters in the middle they can get the better of fox newsperson ailties in these televised town halls. >> i take your point. bret baier different than sean hannity. asking the president to come on his special report. when the president goes on fox, he goes on hannity. >> it's definitely the case that the likes of sean hannity are serving donald trump. they were completely trying to play into the president's narrative. i think tom perez has said, fox
news is operating as a propaganda arm of this white house. >> we're not debating tom perez's strategy here, we're talking about what's in the interest of individual candidates. >> charlie sykes, what's your take on this, are there fox viewers democrats could win over by doing events like this? >> it wasn't really interesting, and i think donald trump's tweet was very revealing, he thinks he owns that fox network and the fox audience. it sounded like a very pro bernie sanders audience there. i'm not sure that was the fox audience. >> i think they intentionally created a mixed audience for this event. it wasn't a smart move, i think the other thing that probably rattled donald trump, is to recall he ran ads pretending to run as a populous, his record is not a populous record.
i think we just saw last night, the way that bernie sanders, and i'm not a huge bernie sanders fan by any means, the way he can really shake that populous base, populous appeal that donald trump was able to pull off in 2016 you talk about rigging the system, look at the policies of the trump administration, this is going to be aer if tile field for the democrats, can you see bernie sanders is not afraid to go into trump world and go after some of those white working class voters that have voted for democrats in the past but voted for donald trump in 2016. >> to that point, i think the question, and we saw clearly from that audience, at least, there was cheering for bernie the question is, can this president -- they're already attacking socialism in general, and johnathon martin wrote in the new york times, how some
democrats are beginning to ask, did they thwart a 70 something candidate, who's immune to determination and incentive without reinforcing the establishment is unite to get me message. stopping mr. sanders or preventing a contentious convention could prove difficult for democrats. your take on that? >> my take on that is go to with a wash go to new hampshire and beat him. the fact of the matter is those states are pivotal in deciding who the nominee is i think it's a mistake for elements of the democratic party to try to attack bernie sanders, i don't think that's the way to go. you mentioned another candidate on the lead in pete buttigieg. we have some other great candidates, kamala harris, beto o'rourke. those who don't want to see bernie sanders, get behind a candidate that could win in iowa and new hampshire. i think that's how you beat him. >> the washington post is
reporting that 2.55 million people watched his town hall last night. brian, what do you think? can bernie sanders win a general election against trump? >> i think there's six or seven democrats running right now that could beat trump, including sabders. >> do you think he's a front-runner? >> in terms of -- i think that bernie sanders is going to be able to raise joe biden. bernie is much further along in terms of having a base of people that will rock their hearts out for them. >> i completely agree with mark, if these elements want to beat him, they should do it the old fashioned way. the idea that some kind of super pac entity to stop bernie is going to be successful is crazy.
donors considering contributing to any effort like that might as well light their money on fire. we saw in 2016, the best fund-raising days bernie had were often after hillary clinton had a good primary performance, so the idea that there is going to be an establishment element out there it won't work on the democratic side either. >> brian fallin, charlie sykes, thank you all. it's great to have all three of these smart political minds together in one conversation. thank you. a quick heads up, bill weld is going to join me live to discuss his decision to take on trump in the 2020 race. that's coming up next hour, right here on msnbc. next, the white house considered using policy as political retaliation, now, congress wants answers. or even trouble with recall.
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going to turn back to washington, warehouse democrats have launched an investigation into president trump's potential plan to release migrants into sanctuary cities. they've demanded any documents and communications on the poll icy, from the white house and the department of homeland security. in a letter to chief of staff mick mulvaney, the chairman called the proposal alarming. not only do they lack the legal authority to transfer detainees in this matter, it is shocking they're even considering manipulating release decisions for purely political reasons. joining me now, washington post national security reporter thank you both for being here today. the goal here was to make democrats angry, but the mayors in this case, you've been reporting on this, seem to be stepping up.
>> what we've seen is a lot of mayors from these cities say, well, if the white house is going to do this, we'll accept immigrants, we're a welcoming community. go right ahead, we'll paint a contrast i contrasting picture. and prove that immigrants do not represent a threat to our communities. >> you've been reporting on where migrants typically go when they come into the united states. how is what the president is threatening to do different from the normal process? >> that's one of the reasons why this proposal is unworkable and really doesn't make a lot of sense, because even if you were to do it, and transport migrants in the southern border to sanctuary cities, there would be nothing to prevent them from leaving those cities and going to their u.s. destinations. so one of the things our
reporting has shown. all the folks that are coming across the border, they have a relative somewhere in the interior of the united states or a job waiting for them. typically they are released from u.s. government custody along the border. they catch a bus or a flight to that destination. if you were to transport them to a sanctuary city, you would be moving them closer to their destination, there's very little chance they would stay in a city like san francisco. >> jake sherman, let's talk through what congress is demanding here, what are the kind of main outlines or problems with this plan, that potentially violates the hatch act among other things. >> since the president is indicating for the white house has indicated he's doing it for political purposes to target democrats that would be an overt use of government for political purposes presumably.
this is so far removed from anything we've ever heard before out of a white house and out of an administration. number two, it would probably run crosswise with funding. congress has to have oversight over programs like this, and congress writes the laws the administration executes them. there's some question there. we're going to see over the next weeks and months, we're going to see investigations as you noted at the top into this. the president's not being investigated for his past business use, he's being investigated for what he's doing in the white house. there's going to be investigations in the next couple days based on the mueller report, bob mueller may be called up to the hill to testify, we're only four months into the democratic majority, we're seeing a slew of oversight and investigatory work out of this new majority which is a stark departure from when republicans controlled the
house. >> to that point, the chairman of the homeland security committee was on msnbc earlier with my colleague. take a look at what he had to say about immigration. >> democrats and republicans should sit down, kocolleague's . >> she said she's ready, she has a committee. i'm ready. but there is no communication from the white house to talk about what it is they want in terms of policy. >> jake, that sort of struck me because i wasn't expecting any openness, really, whatsoever from democrats to talk at all about immigration policy, especially when the president has been such an unreliable negotiator on that topic. >> reporter: you and i talked about this on kcdc very briefly on sunday night. but i think democrats are confronting a political reality in which they can't be wholly opposed to everything the president does. and to be honest with you, the president has been, and we described this in our book, a black hole on immigration
policy. he has said basically everything you can say about immigration over the last two years, everything from, i'm willing to do a deal to get so-called amnesty to undocumented immigrants without security, to, i'm shutting down the border with mexico, and everything in between. so i think democrats believe, based on the ones that i talk to, some of the same ones you talk to, i think they believe that in some circumstance if they get the president in a room, they can get him into a situation where he would agree to an immigration overhaul. >> the question is who calls him on the phone after that meeting wraps up and what happens next? >> thank you both very much. i really appreciate it. we've got "one more thing" coming up next. up next at carvana, no matter what car you buy from us,
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we're back with live pictures from the city of lights, where a moving candlelit vigil is making its way to the notre dame cathedral. parisians marking 24 hours since the centuries-old iconic structure was burned. but as you can see, and as paris has proven to the world once again, while notre dame is charred, it is far from fallen.
we do, though, apologize for the abrupt transition, but we have one more thing before we go. some very, very happy news here at home. as many of you have noticed, i have been filling in for my fellow road warrior and my dear friend, indicakatie tur. many of you on line may have guessed why that has been happening. katie and her husband welcomed this little guy to the world saturday morning. teddy dukoupil weighed in and mom and baby are doing great. on behalf of katy's entire 2:00 p.m. team, congratulations. we cannot wait to meet the newest member of our tv family.
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