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"the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight president trump says he's not one bit afraid of impeachment as democrats plot their path forward. we'll speak to a member of congress just off a conference call with speaker pelosi tonight. trump also said today, no one disobeys his orders. all evidence in the mueller report to the contrary. and in fact tonight we'll talk to a senior executive who worked for him for years. plus the new revelations we're still learning tonight from the mueller report. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a monday night. and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 823 of this trump administration, and we're following several important headlines tonight, still emerging from the mueller report. late today house judiciary chairman gerald nadler, democrat of new york issued a subpoena
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for former white house counsel don mcgahn. congress wants to hear from mcgahn because he's so prominently mentioned in the special counsel's findings. in fact just tonight there's this, michael schmidt writing in "the new york times," that mcgahn, quote, served as the unofficial narrator of the special counsel's report on whether the president obstructed justice. he is cited 157 times, more than any other witness. jerry nadler released a statement that read in part, mcgahn is a critical witness to many of the alleged instances of obstruction of justice and other misconduct described in the mueller report. on sunday in an interview with our very own chuck todd chairman nadler was asked about a sensitive topic for democrats. >> do you think this is impeachable? >> yeah, i do. i do think that this if proven,
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which haenlt besn't been proven if proven some of this would be impeachable, yes. obstruction of justice if proven would be impeachable. >> and you're going to go about to see if you can prove it? >> well, i'm going to see where the facts lead us. >> impeachment was also a topic this evening. nbc news is reporting house democratic leaders promised oversight and investigations but would not commit to impeachment proceedings. president trump clearly has impeachment on his mind. this morning he posted this, quote, only high crimes and misdemeanors can lead to impeachment. there were no crimes by me, no collusion, no obstruction so you can't impeach. tist the democrats that committed the crime, not your republican president. tables are finally turning on the witch hunt. not long after that during today's white house easter egg
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roll, that's him on the left, he was asked about the mueller report and impeachment. >> nobody disobeys my orders. >> are you worried about impeachment, mr. president? >> not even a little bit. >> as to that first answer about disobeying orders erin blake of "the washington post" found 15 instances of trump aides and allies declining to carry out trump's requests. nearly a dozen are detailed in the mueller report including a february 17 lunch trump had with long time friend chris christie. the president brought up comey and asked if christy was still familiar with him. the president said he was. tell him he's part of the team. at the end of the lunch the president repeated his request that christie reach out to comey. christie had no intention of comply wg the president's request that he contact comey.
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he thought the president's request was nonsensical. and christie who remember happen tuesday be a former u.s. attorney did not want to put comey in the position of having to receive such a phone call. the president was also attacking mueller's team again today writing, quote, isn't it amazing that the people who were closest to me by far and knew the campaign better than anyone were never even called to testify before mueller. the reason is that the 18 angry democrats knew they would say -- they would all say no collusion and only very good things. but the associated press reports tonight that plenty of people close to the president interviewed with mueller including two white house chiefs of star, reince preibus, sarah huckabee sanders, former strategist steve bannon and political reporter kyle cheney points to this section of the report to that june 2016 trump tower meeting.
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quote, the office of the special counsel spoke to every participant except veselnitskaya and trump, jr. interesting. meanwhile the president is getting air support from his friend and personal attorney rudy giuliani who made this declaration on cnn yesterday. >> there's nothing wrong with taking information from russians. it depends on where it came from. you're assuming that the giving of information was a campaign contribution. read the report carefully. the report says we can't conclude that because the law is pretty much against that. people get information from this person, that person -- >> so you wouldn't accept information from russians against a client, against a candidate if you were running for president? >> i probably wouldn't. i would advise just out of excess of caution, don't do it. >> redaufl giuliani also a former u.s. attorney. we also learned today the
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lawyers for president trump and the trump organization are suing house oversight chairman elijah cummings. in a statement another trump lawyer, jay sekulow said, quote, we would not allow congressional pressure to go unanswered. it is, by the way, highly unusual if not unprecedented for a public figure to fight to sue for a congressional subpoena. the president is clearly keeping tabs on those. in the meantime speaking out on his behalf. in the past four or five hour, look at this, he's retweeted about two dozen posts he's seen on his phone. some of them critical of the mueller report. others have to do with claims of spying on his campaign. a few others refer to the economy, and not to be outdone, today's easter egg roll. all in all what we call monday
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and time for our lead off discussion on a monday night. john heilemann, veteran journalist, our national affairs analyst, also happens to be coauthor of game change, co-host and cocreator of the circus on showtime. jill colvin, and chris, reporter for the los angeles times who's covering the russia investigation in washington. good evening, welcome to you all. john, i'm going to give you a theory. the democrats are dealing with footnotes and tonnage, tonnage from the mueller effort. the republicans under their leader are hearing no obstruction, no collusion, game over. that's a gulf. that's a disparity. >> it is for sure. although, i mean, look, in politics traditionally speaking the notion of a clear message, simple talking points generally wins the day. we've discussed on this program,
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however, that this -- that as long as this report was characterized by those simple talking points, and that's all there was and the report existed in the abstract, that was a theorem that could win the day. we now have the report. and i think one of things that's happened is each day since the release of the report the politics has gotten worse and worse for the president because there is so much material. >> discovering each day more and more things buried in it. >> yes, it is a treasure-trove. there are easter eggs all throughout to cite the holiday in our national life. and those tell incredible footnotes but they invite, they beg for further investigation. and so although it is true that we've said, again, many times the democrats face a difficult political choice. do they want to focus on the economy and health care, things people care about in their every
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day lives or want to get sucked into impeachment? is it necessarily bad politics for them? there's a middle ground, and it's the middle ground even though there's tension right now, there are people in the activist core of the party saying impeach, impeach, impeach, there are those cautious saying no, no, no. there's a lot to look at here. there are a lot of stories to tell. there are those footnotes to pick apart. there are interesting stories to be brought to bear. there are subpoenas to be issued. this could go on for a long time and you know who knows what a problem it is, donald trump. he's reacting to the fact that no collusion and no obstruction, sounded great to him five days ago. doesn't seem to be enough to him now. >> jill, is this -- looking at his twitter feed tonight i know this is a certain genre.
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is this volume decidedly unusual? a friend of mine said tonight it's as if he knows something. >> i wanted to count it up before i came on, and i lost count there compared to his usual frequency. this is definitely on the higher end of going out there and trying to retweet supportive evidence. it seems sometimes the president is sort of going online and looking for things that would be positive for his ego, things he would like to watch. people like lou daubs, wanting to put those out there to share with the rest of the people. but what you've seen happen over the last number of days since the mueller report came out is this evolution we've seen from the president. from the first moment, kellyanne conway out there saying this is the second best day the trump administration has had. the president calling this a great day and celebrating the top lines. but then as the president has watched the news coverage we've seen him get ang, and ang, not
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just at the coverage but also of former members of his staff. also ex-aides and people close to the president and pointing their own fingers. and you've seen fingers point especially at don mcgahn, the president who as you mentioned at the beginning is more cited in this than any other person, who's sort of the central protagonist. you can really see how mueller shapeed the narrative through mcgahn's hours and hours of testimony. and you feel the president feeling betrayed by these people who spoke to mueller despite the fact they were speaking to mueller because his own white house told them to, and despite the fact even though he hates the idea that the public might think his staff don't listen to him, the very fact they don't listen to him actually wound up saving him from a great deal of trouble. >> perhaps the ultimate service jimmy kimmel has given us in society and the news media is
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dj djd dj t. j. but where individuals are concerned can you answer where is dj t.j.? >> so he's in the report but we never hear from him in the report. he never sat down with prosecutors, so we really don't know his side of the story when it comes to the episodes he was involved in. for example, changing messages with wikileaks. also he had the infamous trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer. we don't have his side of the story from that, and we don't really know what prosecutors, what holes they wanted to fill by talking to him. he's a key figure in all of this and one of the closest links to these encounters with russians, and he wouldn't talk to prosecutors about that. >> john heilemann, i'm going to read from the book of parker and dossy, two of our print friends,
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this duo at "the washington post." white house aides say they think the report will cause little long-term political damage because most of the damaging stories were already known, and even some of the president's most ardent supporters do not view him as a paragon of morality. several advisers added they expect mueller's conclusions to cost trump few votes. that's a kind of educated irgns in t in the face of the tonnage we were discussing earlier. but you could call it gaslighting, the strategy of doling out the bad stuff over two years so when the bad stuff is in a big, thick report it doesn't look so bad. >> i don't want to say it's whistle past a graveyard, bullet it's like whistle past a car crash. you've got the spectacle, and this gets back to one of the things i've kind of glossed over the beginning, certainly of a
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further investigation and potentially of impeachment hearings or an investigation that could turn into impeachment. it seems to me a parade of people, we talked about bob mueller testifying, but now we have a spectacle of people like don mcgahn going before the american people in televised hearings that could dray draw as we've seen michael cohen and jim cohen and other high profile figures in this drama. i think there's no one in the white house who's dumb enough to not understand that don mcgahn under oath telling even more vivid versions of these stories in front of a congressional committee in the way michael cohen did isdaging to the president in the long run. does it impact the trump base? it may not. but the trump base is not enough to win re-election. and the hammering over and over again of the notion that to what a common person -- maybe not bob mueller and maybe not in a court of law -- but to a common person
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hearing those ten incidents mueller outlined, hearing those stories to most people would be like that sounds not great, that sounds like he's obstructing justice, even if i don't know what the legal investigation is. again, i may be missing something but i can't see how that's good politics for donald trump. >> i know a couple of people in the law business down in washington who regarded him as more or less a classically trained d.c. lawyer to the point where they were surprised he took this job. we see in his own words he's telling the boss i take notes because i'm a real lawyer. is he now looking at full snidely whiplash villain treatment inside the trump white house? >> yeah, he most certainly is. there are people who definitely have their knives out pointed towards him and also fairly pointed towards other people who spoke with mueller's team
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including for instance the former staff secretary rob porter is also someone who's been mentioned as a target. mcgahn is somebody the president worked with his uncle years and years ago back in atlantic city. working in all these very fancy law firms, just someone whose really not very similar to most of the people who were in the core of trump's campaign operation. he chose to go from the campaign into the white house with the president, so he's actually been around him for a very long time. but nonetheless, the two never really developed a close relationship. the two of them were barely on speaking terms and you can see throughout mueller's report the tensions between the two of them that day, that mueller describes in so much details of the president at camp david calling mcgahn twice, at least twice unone day saying, look, i want you to fire mueller.
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and you have a scene then where mueller decides to call his chief of staff, actually go to the white house, pack up his belongings and informs reince priebus and bannon he's on his way out. they manage to talk him off of the ledge, but you really see how difficult it was for these two to get together. and the fact mcgahn spent so much time talking to mueller's team, the fact he's featured so prominently in the report just gives his enemies so much to work with here. >> hey, chris, if we learn in a few months that someone is either writing the definitive book or making the definitive documentary on the death of the republican party as we knew it and the birth of this new brand of nationalism, trump republicanism, where do rudy giuliani's quotes this weekend go on the list of indicators that it's all new, that it's really okay to take information from the russians? >> well, i would put it in the
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spectrum of, you know, anything you can do to get advantage is fine by him, and that's clearly how donald trump has approached politics and the presidency. if it helps me, it hurts my enemies, it's fine. we have had a legal judgment on that from robert mueller and bill barr that there was no criminal conspiracy, but there's also a political judgment. will voters accept the fact that some campaigns are going to be accepting help from foreign governments either directly or indirectly? and this is a big issue going forward because there's nothing that congress can do or even the intelligence agencies can do to completely stop the problem of hacking and social media influence and things like that. it really is about self-policing. it's about what do voters read, what do they pay attention to, how do they sift through the information that they see, and what are politicians going to do about how they use this
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information going forward. >> can i make a political judgment or a legal judgment or make a normative judgment? >> quickly i'm being told. >> rudy giuliani, it's one of the most grotesque things i've seen in the 30 years i've done mis. the the idea of a person with some plausibility in either party would stand up and say it's tolerable, but in some cases beyond tolerable. that a vowed asversary of the united states could break into and break into the headquarters of the democratic national committee and the rival campaign would say no problem, that's great, to be encouraged. and it sends the clearest signal in the world to russia and other enemies of the united states they should just go ahead and do it again because donald trump would be happy to take that material. i find it appalling. >> john heilemann, thank you. could not ask for a better group
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of journalist, the journalist who make our program go every night to start us off in a new week. coming up one house oversight member said mueller uncovered two things and we, quote, the president's blatant disregard for the law and his administration's sheer contempt for the truth. we'll talk to that member of congress next, fresh from tonight's conference call with the speaker. and later she was once a top executive for the trump organization for that guy. we'll ask her about carrying out orders or not from donald trump as "the 11th hour" continues. t as "the 11th hour" continues
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are you worried about impeachment, mr. president? >> not even a little bit. >> there is division among democrats in congress over what exactly to do next. speaker nancy pelosi made it clear again today she has no plans for impeachment. in a letter to her colleagues pelosi wrote today, it's important to know that the facts regarding holding the president accountable can be gained outside of impeachment hearings. in that conference call with democrats tonight a source told nbc news she said, quote, we don't have to go to articles of impeachment to obtain the facts. republican senator and trump loyalist lindsey graham offered this prediction on fox news tonight. >> there's going to be a stampede to impeach president trump. they're going to use the mueller report, anything they can find to destroy his presidency. nancy pelosi is not in charge of the democratic party.
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>> that's all the setup you need for our next guest with us tonight from los angeles, the california democratic congressman jimmy gomez who's also a member of the house oversight committee. we should add the congressman represents the 34th congressional district which includes the very center and heart of los angeles. congressman, thank you for coming on. first and foremost in your view is impeachment on the table, and if so can you tell me how you get to two thirds in a senate vote? >> it's always an option, and it's always on the table. i was one of the first 58 members to actually vote to begin debate on articles of impeachment during my first year and a half in congress. are the votes there in the senate? i'm a political realest. the votes aren't there. so what we're going to do is follow the information in the mueller report and make sure we follow up on each fact and dig into that report.
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as you mentioned earlier in your segment, that there is a lot of information and we're just discovering all these easter eggs in this report. so we're not going to jump the gun. we're going to be very pragmatic about this, but at the same time people shouldn't mistake the fact that we're determined to uphold the constitution. you know, when i took an oath that said i swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic, and i take that and that oath seriously. >> so i guess what some in the house are talking about is its labeling. it's impeachment hearings by another name. they're relentless, they're fact gathering hearings. you heard the conversation i was having with john. the left is reading footnotes. the right is operating off the same little snappy quotes like no collusion, no obstruction like they've been feeding off for two years. >> you know, we understand this republican party doesn't care
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about the american people. they don't care about protecting the constitution and living up to their oath of office. but we do. and we know that this is a serious matter. you know, you mentioned we had a conversation about a democratic caul. it's a diverse democratic caucus. people from all walks of life, veterans and newly elected members. but pelosi wanted to make sure she called a huddle and make sure everybody could ask questions and make sure everybody is running the same play. do we play different positions, do we represent different districts? yes. but we're all part of the same team. we're going to live up to our duty, and at the same time we're going to live up to pushing for the people agenda. we're going to make sure we protect people with pre-existing conditions. we're going to protect people who are afraid of losing their homes. we're going to make sure that everything we setout to do, we're going to do. you know, defending the constitution and delivering for
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the american people are not muwale exclusive, we can do both. >> this is going to be something to watch. coming up here congressman jimmy gomez joining us from our los angeles studios. thank you very much for coming on tonight, congressman. and coming up for us, the president says no one disobeys him. our next guest wrote the book about having donald trump as a boss. we'll speak with her next. onalda boss we'll speak with her next. you i. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle and removed the citrate buffers. and it has the same effectiveness you know and trust. humira citrate-free is here. a little change can make a big difference. humira can lower your ability to fight infections.
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>> are you worried that your staff is ignoring your orders as the mueller report states? >> nobody disobeys my orders. >> president trump this morning saying his employees always follow his marching orders. but the detail in the mueller report shows that is patently untrue. in fact, stories have been written just in the past few days about how don mcgahn might have indeed saved the trump presidency by not acting on the boss' orders. our next guest knows exactly what it's like to work for donald trump. barbara res also happens to be the author of "all alone on the 68th floor, how one woman changed the face of construction." more than that, it was the construction trades here in new york which is not for cowards. so nice to have you on, thank you. >> my pleasure.
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>> when you hear him say something like that, we've got the mueller report showing people didn't follow his instructions. what does that make you think of? what happens in your mind? >> i remember i immediately associated with the things that he asked me and other people when i was working for him to do that were ridiculous sometimes, inappropriate sometimes, maybe a little bit illegal. nothing like now. but -- and, you know, aoftentims we didn't do what he said. and there were ways to approach it. we tried to talk him out of it or tried to convince him the right thing was his idea, which worked a lot. and other times you just didn't do it and you waited for repercussions. but if he really wanted to do something he'd lean on you and eventually you'd either do it or stand up to him like mcgahn did and just not do it. >> we all have bosses and a lot of bosses have bad ideas.
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in the moment. >> absolutely. >> also establish for me once and for all how small a family outfit, when we talk about the trump organization, when you think back to your work family, how many people was that? >> when i was working that was quite a while ago. we were doing trump tower. so it was from '80 to '84 we were building trump tower. at that time there were about ten people in the organization. >> it's a licensing building, put my name on your building for "x." >> when i was working for him he owned the building. so no, he didn't do any work. we contracted it out. >> when you hear that he is fighting a congressional subpoena with a counter lawsuit because it's about the release of his financials, does that
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make sense to you? >> sure. every time he had any problem at all he'd sue immediately and if there was a suit he liked to be the plaintiff. here he was going to be the plaintiff, but the idea was to delay. i think that's what's behind this. maybe avoid getting those financial records out before, you know, the next election comes up. >> what's it like for you? it's been two years plus to watch. i have friends from high school, can't believe i get paid for doing anything. i mean, for you to watch this guy who was in your head and in your life and the center of your work universe for so long, what's it been like? >> i have very mixed feelings and we were closer at a point in time and as it evolved i couldn't believe some of things
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he was doing to be honest with you. i didn't think he was quite like this. i'm surprised at him. he's not human. he does terrible things. he's destroying the environment, he's hurting families. he's doing terrible things. >> did he know he had that in him? >> i did not know he had that -- i knew there was trickery, i knew there was -- kind of thing. but not like he is now. >> and you know him when he was culturally at least a full on democrat. >> yes, as a matter of fact he did fund raisers for democrats which i went out and twisted arms to raise money, but he was definitely a democrat. >> well, it must be interesting to be you. i mean starting with tonight's twitter fuselage he was always verbal. he worked here for 14 years and -- >> he communicated better in the older days. he's more childish now. he speaks like a kid almost.
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he doesn't have a good vocabulary. he doesn't seem to focus, so he's changed in a lot of ways. >> thank you very much for coming in. great to get to know you. our thanks to barbara res for joining us in the studio tonight. and coming up, as democrats engage in friendly fire, blue on blue, on how to handal this mueller report republicans seem pretty united on their view there's nothing to see here. we'll ask a veteran strategist how that approach is working for them when we come back. h is worr them when we come back [knocking]
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♪ as we've been saying tonight, much division among democrats on whether or not to pursue impeachment. in fact, the speaker of the house is urging her party to hold off on that front, wanting instead to turn up the heat on republicans. in her letter to her fellow house democrats nancy pelosi
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says the gop has a, quote, unlimited appetite for trump's behavior. she writes, the gop shad be ashamed of what the mueller report has revealed. instead of giving the president their blessings. speaking ofg the republicans aside from repeating no collusion, most of them have been more or less silent on what the mueller report does say about donald trump, proving that no one from the attorney general on down is above invoking trump's preferred talking points. this is what we got today from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> well, look, i think it's time to move on. this investigation was about collusion. there's no collusion. no charges brought against the president on anything else, and i think the american people have had quite enough of it and it's time to move on. >> with us tonight rick wilson, a veteran republican strategist and the author of "everything
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trump touches dies" recently released with new material in paperback. we're always happy to have you here. that proves that the majority leader in the senate will take your talking points if you supply them. where is the republican outrage, say nothing of donald trump, russiaa russia is actively engaged in our democracy. >> brian, they've decided no matter what russia decides to do to manipulate our elections it's okay. it's fine to take stolen material brought to you by russian spies to use in a campaign. it's fine to use in wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania. it's all good. they've decided they're just completely nihilistic about it, and they're going to have a clear path ahead in their minds.
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as long as donald trump is happy they're going to be happy. >> for viewers just tuning in, we're talking about russia and republican party attitudes towards russia. does that ever blow your mind still? >> i grew up in the cold war. and as the last generation of while there was still a soviet union, it was always clear this was a country that was our global adversary. we tried really hard for a while to pretend it wasn't, but everything they've done in crimea, in georgia, in ukraine, across europe and around the world they've acted as a global foe to our country. donald trump acts when he's with vladimir putin like a star struck schoolgirl. everybody should have a lover in their life that looks at them one time like trump looks at putin. but that's the changed policy of this country. at donald trump's whim, he thinks these guys like me and they helped me so i'm going to be nice to them. >> i'm going to show you some
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polling because after all it is it campaign consultant's mother's milk. donald trump is now down to a 39% approval. he's obviously under water. it's down from 44% last week. if i came to you, rick wilson, and hired you and said i need you to work for my candidate. he's at 39, could you work with that? >> when you're at 39 you're doing something wrong, because that is at the base tolerance level. that's just where your friends and family and your hard core party members are there for you. right now there's a huge swath of americans who don't like or trust donald trump. and i think this last week catalyzed a lot of that because for the first time it wasn't just those of us who follow the news and folks on twitter who pay attention to the russia scandal. americans got a huge blast of this news. and even though the president chanlted no collusion over and over again, his approval ratings dropped 5 points in a week, and
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there's some serious damage that's been done here. and i think that's why if you end up having a longer set of investigations in congress, you're going to see a guy that's in political peril because of that. the base along the republican party gets you only so far. george bush won two elections, base plus. george h. bush won base plus. >> on that thought rick has agreed to stay with us. we'll fit in a break. and when we come back, rick's thoughts on how democrats could easily re-elect donald trump to a second term. easily. more on that when we come back. more on that when we come back when did you see the sign?
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to borrow a phrase from our friends at "meet the press," if it's monday there must be another democrat in the race. indeed today's candidate is congressman seth molten of the
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commonwealth of massachusetts, member of the house. entered the presidential race. he's a lot of things. he's a harvard educated marine corp veteran, served four tours in iraq and indeed was a heavily decorated combat veteran. with his announcement there are now 19 people running on the democratic side. we're still waiting on joe biden who's expected to make an announcement any day now. however, a new poll from the university of new hampshire finds bernie sanders in that state leading the field 30% support. of course he's from a neighboring state, followed by biden, 18%. and mayor pete buttigieg in third at 15%. still with us for our showcase showdown tonight, rick wilson. rick wilson, i'm going to quote joe lockhart. for democrats, leaving donald trump in office is not only good politics, it is the best chance for fundamental realignment of
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american politics in more than a generation. mr. trump is three years into destroying what we know as the republican party, another two years just might finish it off. for for good measure here is ron klain. i feel like dems are making the impeachment question complicated when it is simple. we'll hold hearings on things that trump did wrong. we'll decide which punishment we'll support. rich, detail the way which the democrats, you will forgive the blunt language can screw this. >> donald trump can't win but the donald trump can sure as hell lose it. they are the party that seeks their own political death and they'll find a way, this impeachment question is one where you have two options. you can try to do an impeachment
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thing that'll go nowhere in the senate. there is no scenario than any human being says right now that donald trump will be convicted. >> mitch mcconnell. >> you won't get 50%. >> mitchell dragged mansions and others back. there is no scenario where he's removed by impeachment. what does it do? it rubs up donald trump's space and raises him $200 million, we'll get an e-mail saying send me five bucks for donald trump being thrown out of office. it we don't waon't haves politi. donald trump has no moral center, and no shame. you can't shame the shameless. what does work is to run investigations into all these things that are legitimate investigations of the actions of the campaign of donald trump himself and the things that have gone arnds him and all these
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people, the things that mueller could not touch and things hiding behind redactions. people learn donald trump was both aggressively trying to obstruct the investigation and although they were too dumb to shake hands in the deal at the end, hit deep with russians. this entire thing can be dragged out and can be the definition of the campaign. you make the referendum on donald trump, not on the 9,314 democrat candidates have the best plan on reform. >> the democrats often wrong and never in doubt. >> right. >> how do you concentrate on marketing that 400 plus beaks that we all spent the weekend reading? >> that's exactly is. >> how do you keep telling those stories in a way that's not over the top.
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the materials, the subject material is so dramatic and shocking that the hearings need to be nuts and bolts, they need to be plain and rocking through this thing without the drama and throwing things out of the stage as donald trump's defenders. those things will have a political impact for the democrats if they play it out correctly. a lot of them are screaming and pulling their hair out, we got to immediately impeach him, okay, once you do that, all the air goes out of the investigation below. all that amendmebility, you hav have this conversation the next few months, all that goes away. we were all 28 and we had no discipline. nancy pelosi is a smarter and player in that. that's why they are talking about procedural way on how to step into the investigation. those things give you a slow burn over a long window rather
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than a one off thing racing into the finish line where you are going to get to the finish line, okay, so you impeached donald trump and guess what he does the next day? haha, i am going to have a steak dinner. >> thank you, rick wilson, half a million follows him on twitter. it is an unbelievable thing to watch. always a pleasure. >> coming up, a strange visitor, no fool in here in the skies over our country. this coming week, we'll show you what to look for and what they're looking for when we come back. come back with advil, you'll ask... what sore muscles? what pounding head? advil is... relief that's fast. strength that lasts. you'll ask... what pain? with advil.
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last thing before we go tonight has to do with the skies above. if you are plane tracker or spotter, fair warning that you may see something unusual over the skies of our country this week. that would be a russian surveillance aircraft, its unromantic name is tut-14. it is going to be flying all over our country, it is perfectly legal under something called a treaty opened sky. this is russian markings, this one was not built for passenger comfort or anything else. it is built to spy and fly over
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our bases and take high resolution photographs. we are allowed to do the same thing over russia. more than that, there will be americans embedding among the russian crew monitoring their mission over our country because that too is part of the treaty. we allow the russians to board our air force aircraft when we are over there taking pictures of russia. this jet stands out because of the budging pod of electronics beneath its belly. starting there in missouri, gives them a chance to fly around and see a lot since they are limited to fly 3,000 miles in the air in all. defense writer and god bless them, they'll be tracking this flight in realtime. the russians would probably like to fly over our air force base in nebraska or fort hood in texas and from missouri they can reach all the bases around the
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d.c. area. needless to say, both countries keep their valuable stuff and anything experimental inside hanger and away from prying eyes above. critics of this treaty and congress gives russia an advantage since their satellite imagery is not as good as the u.s. they got more on these flights like the ones coming up in our skies than the americans get when they fly over russia 11 time zones. that's going to do it for us. thank you very much for being here with us, good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. ♪ happy monday, by the summer of 1970, the u.s. military had been in vietnam, one form or another for nearly 15 years. richard nixon had taken office the previous year, sworn in


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