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democratic party is not getting through the oval office door. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from texas. i'm in for chris hayes. i'm in houston because it was my honor to comoderate the she the people forum at southern texas university. eight of the soon to be 20 candidates had the chance to speak correctly to and answer questions from the women of color who make up such a critical part of thein the prim. if you missed any of it as it was live streamed, you are in
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luck. tonight during this hour, we will bring you extended highlights that you will not see anywhere else. we must first begin tonight back in washington, d.c. the president of the united states continues to pull out all the stops to impede democratic lawmakers as they try to conduct investigations. last night donald trump told "the washington post" he is opposed to white house aides testifying before congress. today he doubled down. >> we are fighting all the subpoenas. look, these aren't like impartial people. the democrats are trying to win 2020. they are not going to win with the people that i see. they are not going to win against me. the only way they can maybe luck out and i don't think that's going to happen, it might make it even the opposite. that's what a lot of people are saying. the only way they can luck out is by constantly going after me on nonsense.
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>> trump's comments follow several days of escalating confrontation between the president and house democrats. total the doj told the oversight committee that a top official will not appear for a deposition that is schedule forward tomorrow. that came after that same committee moved yesterday to hold the former official in charge of the security clearance process in contempt for following trump's instructions not to testify. "the washington post" reported that the white house is planning to fight a house judiciary subpoena for don mcgahn. the trump treasury support simply ignored democrats's second dead line for trump's tax returns. republicans have been noticeably silent about trump's stonewalling, considering the strong feelings about president obama and fantasies about his conduct in his office. >> the president has taken actions that he himself said are
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those of a king or emperor. >> the president has acknowledged that he is not a king. so common sense tells me he shouldn't act like one. >> this president is a petulant child. whenever he can't get what he wants, the american people have rejected his agenda. now this president wants to act as if he is a king. >> uh-huh. despite best efforts to impede investigations, some argue this course of action lands him in bigger trouble. greg sergeant writes in a "washington post" piece, if the white house continues down this path, it will make it still harder for house democrats to resist an impeachment inquiry. if they launch one, their legal case for doing things like compelling mcgahn's testimony in getting trump's tax returns will get stronger than it already is. joining me now are jennifer ruben, "washington post" columnist and m srsnbc contribu.
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president trump, constitutional menace. joshua mats, publisher of the take care blog and coauthor of to end a presidency, the power of impeachment. let me play you what the chairman of the house oversight had to say. a warping from chairman cummings. i will read it. both president trump and attorney general barr are openly ordering federal employees to ignore congressional subpoenas and simply not show up. without any assertion of legal privilege. these employees and legal attorneys should think carefully about their own legal interests rather than being swept up in obstruction schemes of the trump administration. >> what could be the consequences of ignoring subpoenas and ignoring demands to testify and pretending congress doesn't exist? >> normally when this happens, you have the contempt procedure. if you go down the criminal
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contempt procedure, the problem is that the justice department is now run by obviously trump surrogates. you have a problem there. you might pursue civil contempt and get a court to fine them. we have a declaration of attack against the constitution. what is really going to be interesting is when a court decides to enforce the subpoenas. what will the administration do then? will they defy a court order? republicans have no choice but to acknowledge that he is unfit for office and violated his oath. it's already bad enough because he is raising spurious charges. how can don mcgahn be protected by the executive privilege when he spent 30 hours with the special counsel who wrote it up in a report released to the american people.
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this is how in such bad faith that they are now operating. democrats will have to think long and hard about how and when they pursue impeachment hearings, but the public case for his lawlessness and abuse of process and abuse of power, he is making the case better than some of the democrats could. >> it feels like donald trump is trying to make the case for impeachment based on new activity. richard nixon produced the tapes that were subpoenaed. he never tested the constitutional structures there. donald trump is rolling over them and telling his staff not to testify. yet today you had hillary clinton, former secretary of state and former first lady write in an op-ed, congress should hold substantial hearings that fill in the gaps of the mueller report and not jump straight to an up or down vote on impeachment. it would be a mistake now.
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it's hard to knowledge a more clear cut case for impeachment than defying congressional subpoenas. that is where we are. what is the case for waiting? >> you are absolutely right. the president's defiance of congress is an extraordinary abuse of power and departure from traditions and principals of our constitutional system. prior presidents have in fact faced articles of impeachments for this obstruction of congress. here i have in mind one of the articles of impeachment against nixon. the dilemma is that the president's resistance to overtight sight by congress invited this weird circumstance where the only way for congress to exercise its ordinary run-of-the-mill investigation powers is to consider impeaching him. that would raise the cost of engaging in the core congressional function of figuring out what's happening in the executive branch and legislating accordingly to an
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intolerable degree. impeachment is an explosive undertaking and can ricochet in complicated directions. for the house of representatives and congress as a whole to protect prerogatives and consider impeachment as a last resort, but there may be steps shy of that that can ameliorate the current priscrisis. >> how many denials should they tolerate before they look weak? back in 2014, one ted who used to consider himself mr. constitution wrote the following. obama is not a monarch. when the president embraces the tactics of a monarch, it's incumbent to wield the constitutional power to stop it. congress representing the voice of the people should use every tool. when the period usurps the legislative power and defies the limits of authority it's
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imperative for congress to act and they should use the powers given to them to counter a lawless branch or lose their therapy. how many more subpoenas should democrats allow to be defied before they must act on the ted cruz model? >> i don't think they should allow the subpoenas to be ignored. they need to come up with a legal strategy whether it's contempt or other processes. to insist that their subpoenas be honored. that is a horrible precedent going forward. i agree with hillary clinton. what you need is to bring the american people along before you formally entitle hearings. that was the watergate model. we had the watergate hearings that went on for over a year before the impeachment hearings in the house. by that, you could bring the evidence in front of the american people, the vast majority of who have not read
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the 448 pages. ask you supplement that by all kinds of additional information. you can bring mueller to explain himself before the american people. as this process goes on, we will solidify a view that either the president is a menace and republicans are even nervous about standing by him or he is so toxic, that he is unelectable. they will have to make a decision to go down with the ship or go with mike pence or somebody else. that process can't be skipped over. this is a political process and the primary duty right now of congress is to cut through the gibberish and explain what is so bad about donald trump. the only way that can do that is in public hearings. >> pretty simple. congress called people to come and testify before them and the people said no or didn't even
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answer. then donald trump told them, you don't have to listen to these people. what can congress do? if impeachment is not the way to compel compliance, what can they do to make the officials comply with their subpoenas? >> i agree with everything that jennifer said. that does lead to this question of how does the house make a case to the public that the president is a menace? how does it articulate the problem that's happening in a way that matters to people? there a number of steps they can take. jennifer refers to a criminal contempt. that's tricky because the attorney for d.c. wouldn't act on it. they can nishl civil contempt and they can seek emergency relief with quick access to the documents and the witnesses they need to carry out their constitutional function. going broader, congress has great remedies available. the house could link key funding for agencies on com blipliance
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strip the salary away from those who refuse to comply with demands. congress may not impeach the president, but could consider impeaching members of the cabinet who are the instruments and orchestraters who are the campaign of defines. impeachment has to be on the table, but it should be the last and not the first resort. >> i would just say -- >> we are out of time. >> am an advocate of impeaching barr for sometime and that has been bourne out. >> we will see what they do next. to you both very much. appreciate your time. still ahead, a crowded democratic field. eight presidential candidates took part in a special forum with she the people, answering questions from women of color about everything from immigration to women's health to
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>> i am in houston tonight for a very special reason. this afternoon i joined amy allison to comoderate the she the people presidential forum which was held at historically black southern university for all you beyonce homecoming fans. it was the first ever candidate forum hosted by and focused on women of color and a reminder that black women in particular are a key voting block for any candidate who hopes to claim the nomination. eight presidential candidates took to the stage, cory booker, julian castro. tulsi gabbard, kamala harris, amy klobuchar, beto o'rourke, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. tonight exclusively on all in, we are bringing you the best moments. starting with senator kamala harris's response to an 18-year-old activist named lucy.
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>> i have family mob members who are undocumented and live in danger every day. as president who will you do to stop deportation agents from tearing more families apart? >> so first of all, we need a president of these united states who understands that we are a nation of immigrants and instead of vilifying folks because he's trying to scapegoat folks to distract from the fact that he ain't done nothing, we need to have a president of the united states who understands that if we are going to be true to the values of who we say we are, if we are going to be true to the actual history of what created us and what we are. we will have a commitment from the president of the united states and the president of the united states that i will be. that will pass comprehensive immigration reform, that will stop allowing the united states government to commit a human
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rights abuse at the border which is what this family separation policy has been. i will be a president of the united states that keeps a word to the dreamers that need daca protection instead of pulling it out. i will be a president who understands that those young people who are daca recipients and dreamers did not just fallout of the sky on to the earth. they have parent who is deserve protection. we just need a president of the united states who uses her bully pulpit in a way that understands that if we are going to be strong as a country, we must be committed to our stated values. that's part of what has given us strength on this globe. right now we are seeding that
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power. when we have a president of the united states that is using that bully pulpit to divide and sow hate, we have got to end that. >> senator, a brief follow-up to the last question. what would be your immediate action in the first 100 days related to tent cities and detained migrants and the whole infrastructure set up at the border? >> first of all, what we have to do is there needs to be real resources that are put into allowing these families to have their process for determining their status of testimony asylum. this is the problem and part of the problem with the issue is that is mischaracterized. by very powerful people. let's understand what's
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happening. we have families that are fleeing murder capitals of the world. most people don't want to leave their home. just think about the nature of it. most people don't want to leave the place where they were born and their parents were born and where their grandparents were born with a place that is familiar to them and the culture that is familiar to them. when people leave, it is usually because they have to. let's first of all understand the nature of what we are talking about. so then we are talking about what have been documented to be murder capitals of the world. then let's talk about the fact that the families have made a decision. parents have made a decision to put their children in what they know could be a perilous journey of traveling through the entire country of mexico to come to the united states because those parents decided the fate that
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they are now facing if they stay at home is worse than what they may endure. what happens when they arrive at our borders? we, who have erected the statue of liberty, they arrive at our borders and we say go back to where you came from. that is inhumane and immoral. i come at the subject from that perspective. >> another member of the audience, destiny lopez asked julian castro, the former hud secretary and texas native son how he would counter steps taken by conservative lawmakers to limit access to abortion. >> the insurance coverage of abortion create an insurmountable barrier to women of color struggling to get health care. how would you ensure women can get coverage for abortion in your first term as president?
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>> thank you. thank you very much for the question. let me begin by saying that what i believe in is everybody in this country should get health care and not just health insurance. right? too often in our nation, health insurance is you getting a denial letter that said two or three reasons why you can't get the procedure or the treatment you need. health care is getting that treatment. i believe in a woman's right to choose. that is an issue of reproductive freedom and justice. i don't think that whether a woman has the resources to cover her reproductive health care needs should determine whether she is able to get that health care. i would absolutely support and work for the opportunity that everybody has to exercise their
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choice. i disagree with measures that have been taken to essentially stymie the ability of some women to not have that choice. here in texas, this is a tremendous example of what happens when people with a right wing ideology take hold and are able to keep some people out. as president, i will ensure and do everything i can to ensure that everybody has that right. >> there are so many candidates still ahead. we will hear from senator elizabeth warren, beto o'rourke, and senator bernie sander who had the love of the crowd. we will show you. next. of the crowd. we will show you xt
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. >> here in houston, we addressed a wide range of issues. with the eight democratic candidates including how they will win over a broad democratic base. i asked senator bernie sanders about a challenge he might face if he were to win the nomination this time around. >> in order to consolidate the nomination, you have to win over hillary clinton voters. what are you doing to try to win over the voters which include a substantial share of the women of color. the black women who voted in 2016. >> good question and let me answer it in a couple of ways.
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first of all, obviously we are working really hard to win the democratic nomination and if i do that, we will work really hard to defeat the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country. to your point, the democratic party has got to be united. all right? i hope to win the nomination and i hope to have my fellow candidates and people seeking the nomination that support me if i win. my pledge to you is if i do not win, i do everything i can to make sure that democratic candidate becomes the next president of the united states. this is no time for petty divisiveness. this is a time to stand together. in the fight not only to defeat trump and his racism and sexism
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and homophobia, this is a time for the american people to come together for economic and social justice and racial and environmental justice. that's what this is about. >> for black women specifically? >> it will be a part of what this administration is about. >> also about the rise of white nationalism in this country. >> as president, what would you do with the rise of white supremacy violence to protect our communities? >> absolutely. you know, as somebody who i know i date myself a little bit here, but i actually was at the march on washington with dr. king in
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1963. as somebody who actively supported jesse jackson's campaign and was elected to do so in '88, i dedicated my life to racism and sexism and discrimination of all forms. as president of the united states at the very top of our agenda will be the understanding that discrimination of all forms has got to end. period. you do that using the bully pulpit and with legislation. if someone wants to perpetrate hate crimes, that person will pay a very, very heavy price indeed. >> what they are getting at is a phenomenon that is global. we are seeing it throughout western europe as well as influxes of immigrants in the
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middle east and the same kinds of rises. >> let me just say that's correct. >> what would you do to return the u.s. to global leadership? >> reverse what trump is doing. trump is a cowardly authoritarian president. he is trying to throw 30 plus million people off health care. cut medicare and cut medicaid. you can't win an election doing that. you do what demagogues in europe has always done. you scapegoat and you go after women and minorities and people of color. it's not wall street, it's not the drug companies, it's not the insurance companies, it's undocumented immigrants. that is demagoguery and it exists in this country and all over the world.
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it's president of the united states, our foreign policy will not be as the current one is to support the authoritarian bigots with a policy of democracy and human rights. >> health care was also a big issue for the she the people crowd at texas southern. it came up multiple times including in a question to minnesota senator amy klobuchar in the form of a question from an elder care giver from miami. >> how would you lead the creation of an inclusive care system that ensures that everyone can have access to quality care and care givers who do this work can live with dignity? >> thank you. that's a great question. >> my dad is in assisted livering andliveing and i see how hard the care givers work. you should have good pay which
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means a $15 minimum wage at a minimum. unions should be able to organize. we have an administration in place right now that seems to try to talk the talk of standing up for workers and every time there is a choice for a judge, they pick one that is anti-union, right? any time there is a choice for legislation they put in the national labor relations board, they go with someone who is anti-union. that's wrong. the third is the health care. everyone should have a right to affordable health care. right now we have something that we worked on very hard to get in place and that is the affordable care act. that was the beginning and not an end. i believe we have to do more. the first thing i would do is immediately put in place and put forward legislation for a public
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20 and counting. there could be 40 by next week. with so much diversity among those who are running, women, people of color, why should women of color choose you? >> so -- >> we'll wait. we'll wait. take your time. >> i will. not something that i'm owed. not something that i expect. something i fully hope to earn by the work i do on the campaign trail. by showing up and listening to the people that i want to serve. i was just talking to sheila jackson lee back stage. extraordinary leader and mentor to me when i was a member of congress. we talked to reparations and her house bill 40 which was so important to the future of
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everyone in this country, to ensure that we know our history and true story so that we stop visit injustices and we begin to repa repair. i met with amanda edwards on access to capital for communities that have been excluded from capital from the very foundation of this country. talking to alyssa same on who is heads up the naacp. this state is at the epicenter of a ma turn mortality crisis three times as leadly. in a city like articling that does not have a mass transit system. if you are covered, try getting to a hospital and someone else interjected even if you get to the clinic or hospital, there is different treatment for women of color that helps to explain a disparity in infant mortality and white america and black america in 2019 than it was in
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1850, 15 years before the abolition of slavery. showing up, listening and incorporating what i hear everyone's experiences into the campaign and how i hope to vote with the people of this country. >> one of two texans in the race. there was one current member of congress, representative tulsi gabbard of hawaii. she is known for the stance on syria. >> do you believe they should stop in syria and what would be your president towards bashar al-ass al-assad. >> we will work with the kurdish forces on the ground to go after and defeat isis. that mission has largely been accomplished. unfortunately as this was happening since 2011, covertly
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initially with the cia there is a regime change war that was lunched during that time. as part of that war and many of you may not even be aware of this, but our taxpayer dollars were being used to provide support to terrorist groups in syria like al qaeda and others in order to go in and topple the assad government. i had a chance to go to syria where i heard from the syrian people and religious leader who is pleaded and begged for the united states to stop this support because they knew whether there were some who supported the assad government and others wanted to see him go and they knew if the united states and others were successful in this regime change war, the most powerful force on the ground would fill that vacuum and the most powerful force were the terrorist groups like al qaeda whose sole mission was to wipe out christians and
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other religious minorities in syria. anyone who did not adhere to the extremist ideology. this is the reality that we face. there are unfortunately there a lot of bad people in the world. some of them with the leaders of the other countries, the united states cannot continue to be to be in a position thinking we can be the policeman of the world. spending trillions coming out of our pockets and communities. to go and launch the wars we have seen, they cause so much suffering and taken countless lives. this cost is something we cannot accept. is cost is something we t accept >> still to come, we will hear from senator cory booker. and the candidate who may have had the best reception of the day. senator elizabeth warren. stay with us. stayit wh us humira patients, you inspire us.
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>>. >> we are back from houston, texas. cory booker got a nice reception from the crowd of primary voters, particularly when he answered a question from the audience about freshman democratic congresswoman omar and the attacks she faced from donald trump and other republicans. >> my name is charisma darden and i am a student at the texas southern university. my question is about omar. she was recently critical of the outside influence of apac in determining foreign policy, including funding of israel. subsequently she has received condemnation from the president and members of her own party as well as death threats. what will you do as president to protect the right of could you
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rememberious women of color to criticize u.s. policy even when directed at allies? >> charisma, thank you for your question. the criticisms and what donald trump is say being her is reprehensible and trafficking islam phobia and should be condemned by everyone. this selective condemnation should be a chorus. more than this, the kind of language our president uses, especially about black women in power, the kind of language this president uses, it is toxic. it fuels the kind of hate we see in our communities manifesting itself in the kind of terrorism that has been most seen in our nation since 9-11. most of the terrorist attacks since 9/11 have been right wing extremist attacks and the majority of those have been
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white is ysupremacist attacks. when you have a president uttering such bigotry and racist attacks talking about nations where black and brown people have come from the shithole countries, that is giving license to hate and violence that we should not tolerate. it's not just important to be an ally. it's not enough just to say i'm not a racist. we must all be anti-racist. if we are not dealing with this issue in our country, we will continue to see these kinds of attacks and continue to see the kind of vicious violence that has been affecting our nation from black churches to synagogues to muslim mosques as well. >> that moment with cory booker was one of the big moments of today's she the people forum. and then there was the performance by elizabeth warren who really had the room in the palm of her hand during her appearance, including when i
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asked her about the tough calculation a lot of voters are making after hillary clinton's loss in 2016. >> when i talked with women of color in my own life, they will say wow, that elizabeth warren has great plans. she's got specific plans. she's got great ideas, but there is a fear in a lot of people of color and a lot of women of color that say after the experience of 2016, they don't have the confidence in the electorate of this country to elect a woman president. they want to vote one way, but their fear says they may need to flee to the safety of a white male candidate. how do you address -- >> i think that's call -- >> i'm just telling you how do you address people who are not confident? they're not confident the country is willing to elect a woman. how do you address people who may be interested in voting for you but may be afraid?
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>> let me just say this about confidence. you bet. look, this is the heart of it. it's how are we going to fight. not just individually, but how are we going fight together. are we going to fight because we're afraid? are we going to show up for people that we didn't actually believe in, but because we were too afraid to do anything else? that's not who we are. that's not how we're going to do this. here's how i see this. i'll tell you how i see it. we got a room full of people
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here who weren't given anything. we got a room full of people here who had to fight for what they believe in. we have a room full of people here who had to reach down deep, and no matter how hard it was, no matter how scary it looked, they found what they needed to find, and they brought it up, and they took care of the people they love. they fought the fights they believe in. that's how they got into these seats today. you know, this is how i see it from where i sit. i was in middle school when -- it's just my mom and my daddy and my -- me. the boys are gone, my three
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older brothers. they've all gone off to the military. my daddy has a heart attack. everybody thinks he is going to die. he comes back home. he can't work. my mother has never worked outside the home. we lose our family station wagon. my mother is terrified. i hear at night, i hear her cry. i learn words like mortgage and foreclosure from my parents late at night while i'm supposed to be asleep. and i do remember the day i walk into their bedroom. i'm just a kid, and i see the dress laid out on the bed. you all know the dress, the one that only comes out for weddings, funerals, and graduations. and my mother is standing there in her slip and her stocking feet, and she's crying, and she's pacing. and she's saying we will not lose this house. we will not lose this house.
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we will not lose this house. she was 50 years old, and she had never worked outside the home, and she was terrified. i watched her face while she looked at that dress and she looked at me and she looked back at that dress, and finally she reached over and she pulled that dress on. she blew her nose, she put on her high heels. she walked to the sear's, and she got a minimum wage job answering the phones. the minimum wage job saved our home and it saved our family. now let me just say about this. that day my momma taught me three lessons. it took me a while to learn them. but the first one was it doesn't make any difference how scary it looks, how hard it is out there. you reach down, you find what you have to find, you pull it up and you take care of the people
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you love. i learned over time that wasn't just what my momma taught me. it's what millions of people across this country have taught their daughters and their sons through the years. you do what has to be done to take care of the people you love. but the third thing i learned eventually about that story is it's a story about government and how no matter how hard you work, the rules that are made by the people in government will still make the big difference in your life, because when i was a girl, a full-time minimum wage job in america would support a family of three. it would pay a mortgage. it would cover the utilities, and it would cover food. and today a minimum wage job in america will not keep a momma and a baby out of poverty.
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that is wrong. it is worth fighting for, and it's why we're all going to stay in this. >> senator elizabeth warren. >> thank you, thank you. >> and for more on what we heard today, i am joined by democratic strategist tera dowdell and a a aisha moody. this was an aria stark moment, where one of the candidates breaks out and rallies the troops to say democrats, darn it, can win this. elizabeth had that moment in front of the crowd. the crowd loved her from the moment she walked out until she left the stage that story was riveting. i thought she had the strongest day. what did you guys make of it? let me start with you, ayesha? >> so yes, we have long known that elizabeth warren was the smartest person in the room, and that elizabeth warren has a plan. today she showed us that she also has deep empathy and a real deep grasp of the structural
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inequalities that are race-based that affect our communities. i think she hit it out of the park. i feel her. i feel like she can hold news the palm of her hand. she can fight for us because she feels us, and that is why everyone there was so thrilled and excited to hear from her. everyone else at that forum, particularly the men in my opinion missed an opportunity to really connect with people. and she connected with our souls. it was powerful. >> and, you know, tara, it's interesting, because it's a she the people forum. so the obvious kind of natural advantage went to the women. kamala harris also as soon as she walked out, you could hear them skee weeing in the audience. she had a natural base in the audience as well and did really well. over the guy, beto o'rourke got a warm reception. beto did a good job in saying he has to earn that vote. i thought that was a very smart answer. on the other end of the spectrum, tough day today for bernie sanders. a lot of jeering.
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a lot of people in the crowd even sort of cat calling him. he had a little bit of heckling going on in the crowd when he gave answers like he marched to the march on washington. and didn't give specific answers on questions of race. tulsi gabbard had a tough time with that crowd too, but i think she held her own, answered her question. those two had the toughest day. what did you make of the performances? >> well, i agree 100% with aisha. elizabeth warren was electrifying. we know she can be electrifying because in 2016, i think people forget how she rallied crowds, how she was one of the great surrogates out there on behalf of hillary clinton. so i think that people forget that she has the ability to do that. she just hasn't gotten the news coverage i think that she is deserving of, and that's why we haven't been able to see her really shine in the way that i think that she in fact does. i think it is a challenge for bernie sanders because he still
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seems to be reluctant to really tackle race-based issues head-on. so i think that's going to be an ongoing challenge with him, because what you see from the democratic party, particularly from black voters is a want for candidates to come out and speak forcefully, unapologetically on an agenda for black people who are disproportionately affected by any issue, any economic issue is even more acute if you are african american in this country. and we know that race is playing a big role in hindering the progress of the black community. people want to whatever that what the solutions are. >> indeed. tara dowdell, aisha moodie-mills. you can hear a lot more from senator warren this weekend when we'll have my one-on-one interview on "a.m. joy." you can tune in saturday morning. and saturday night, reverend al sharpton sits down with the 2020
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contenders to talk inequality in america. watch not just black and white, race and the 2020 election, saturday at 8:00 p.m. and my final note on this today, i think all these candidates really did a great service to the electorate by showing up today, talking about issues, bringing their a game. i think everyone acquitted themselves in fine fashion just by being there. it's an important electorate, and they had to be there. that's it for "all in" this evening. the "the rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening. you had such an incredible day today. >> it started early at 3:00 a.m. out of my bed. so i was a little tired. but it was really fascinating to hear how they interacted with those crowds. all of them were different. all of them were good in their own way. it was really -- it was a fascinating and great day. >> i mean, it was an amazing event. it was very well moderated. you did a really, really, really good job. and the tape, just seeing as you

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