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thank for being here. here is stephanie ruhle. >> thanks so much. hello, everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle. my partner is off today. it is monday, may 6th, let's get smarter. president trump escalating trade tensions with china, threatening to raise tariffs after what he calls slow negotiations just days before the two sides were scheduled to meet for what was
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supposed to be the final round of talks. >> the ongoing tensions over u.s./chi u.s./china trade talks pier to be escalating again. as more tariffs are said to take effect. >> president trump has thrown a wrench into these trade talks with china, especially threatening over the weekend to slap a new round of tariffs on china. michael cohen, the fixer who turned on the president, heads to prison today. >> tax evasion, campaign finance crimes and lying to congress all while working for donald trump got cohen on the wrong side of the law. >> i hope that when i rejoin my family and friends, that the country will be in a place without xenophobia, injustice and lies at the helm of our country. there still remains much to be told and i look forward to the day that i can share the truth.
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>> now president trump is reserving course again on the russia investigation, this time coming out against testimony in congress against special counsel robert mueller. >> president trump changes his mind on robert mueller saying he's against the special counsel testifying before congress just days after his own attorney general said he had absolutely to problem with it. >> once bob mueller becomes private citizen mueller instead of being special counsel mueller, there's really very little that the white house can do to prevent his testimony if he chooses to do so. >> in just two days from now the house judiciary committee will vote to hold the attorney general of the united states in contempt. this after bill barr missed the deadline to hand over the full report to congress. in a 27-page response, jerry nadler outlined why the house is demanding to see all of the
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special counsel's evidence and once again brought up the possibility of barr's impeachment. joining me now, nbc intelligence and national security reporter, held in contempt. that sounds massive. what does it actually mean? >> first of all, the full house would have to vote to hold attorney general barr in contempt. if they do that, it would only be the second time in history that a sitting member of the president's cabinet was subject to a contempt proceeding. how does congress enforce it. typically the first thing they would do is refer this citation to the u.s. attorney. but they refused to do that in the obama administration. the other option would be to pursue charges through the courts, but that can take years, stephanie. there is a third option that you've heard some lawmakers
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talking about. congress has a power of contempt where they can send the sergeant in arms and arrest a person. the problem with that is that the attorney general is protected by armed security detail, and the idea of arresting him is not feasible. there's been talks of fines. it's a been question and history could be made here in terms of how congress pursues a potential contempt citation. >> let's talk about barr and the president. the president did an about-face saying he believes mueller should not testify before congress, that's very different from what we heard last week, last week it was the president and bill barr who said, guess what, he's got the green light, he can do it. let's remind our audience, we have that tape. >> what about bob mueller? should he be allowed to testify -- >> i've already said publicly, i
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have no on juks bjection. >> bill barr said go far. we've heard other republicans who are judiciary say the same thing. now the president is changing his tune. how does this get enforced if the president doesn't want mueller to testify? >> it's not clear that he's changing his tune from a policy perspective or whether he's voicing his opinion. the bottom line, is once bob mueller becomes a private citizen -- >> when does that happen? >> the justice department can't tell us. he's still the special counsel. he's still working for the justice department. at some point he will transition to private life and at that point there's very little president trump can do to stop him from testifying, particularly adhering to a lawful subpoena in congress. what will he say, stephanie? >> today president trump's former lawyer, this is amazing if you think about it historically, his fixer, michael cohen is saying good-bye to park
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avenue life and hello to federal prison. cohen is set to serve a three-year sentence for tax evasion, lying to congress and campaign finance violations. he reporting to the institution in new york up . you see famous names, like the jersey shores and the fyre festival's billy mcfarland. forbes once ranked it of one of america's ten cushionest prison. the facility has lockers to store belongs, microwaves and kosher meals.
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they have tennis courts, and cardio equipment. joining me now, kathy park, tom winter and my friend, tim o'brien. cathy to you first, we heard from michael cohen when he left his apartment earlier and let's share that before we get into it. >> i hope that when i rejoin my family and friends, that the country will be in a place without scexenophobia and lies. there remains much to be told and i look forward to the day when i can share the truth. >> walk us through michael cohen's check-in process and life in prison moving forward. >> so, stephanie, when he arrived here not too long ago it was quick, orderly.
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he was stalled briefly here and then he was on his way to the main facility where he is currently being processed right now. so there will be screenings and testings. and eventually he will be transferred to the minimum security camp where he'll be joining the likes of the situation from the jersey shore and billy mcfarland. and once this gets going, he has to turn in all of his possessions, he'll be trading that in for a prison uniform, he'll just be getting a bed roll, some towels, as well as wash cloths. that's pretty much it. and then we were told from a former employee, he will be moved to a two-man cube, a pretty tight space made of cinder blocks. and from there he will have to follow pretty much all the rules and regulations that are laid out in the inmate handbook. if he didn't get a chance to read this beforehand, he'll have plenty of time to go through
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this while he's in prison. some of the biggest takeaways that i found is that, a, be courteous to the inmates and be prepared to follow the time schedule. steph? >> i want to bring tim and tom in. what's the likelihood michael cohen serves the full three years. >> i think the likelihood is really strong. there's no parole system here. he will get some credit for good behavior while he is serving his time. it won't be three years to the letter. and that will be up to him, although it's very difficult not to get that credit. will he serve the three years, no, but that's part of the normal process anyway. the only other thing that could come up here is that there will be some sort of a downward reduction if he cooperates in some way going forward with federal investigates. he's already talked to them.
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i think if there were serious discussions, that this would have been delayed further or we would have seen that request from prosecutors. so at this point, i don't think there's any indication here that he's going to do anything less than the three years other than the exception for the time of good behavior. >> tim, i did not invite you here because you are a prison expert. i invited you here because you're a trump expert. you wrote a book on this man. you are well versed in understanding exactly who michael cohen is today, who he was and the relationship he had with the trumps. and i want to share a bit of sound from michael cohen, the remarks he has shared over the last two or three years about the president. watch this. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate, principled, empathetic, kind.
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>> i'm ashamed because i know who mr. trump is. he's a racist, he's a con man and a cheat. >> that's the same person within a two-year period. he considers himself very value to prosecutors. he's a known liar. at this point what is there for michael cohen to offer and once he's in prison, do prosecutors want to use him for anything? >> i don't know that there's much left for him to offer. after his congressional testimony, he implied that there were millions of records on i think his former hard drives from his computers that had material that would still be of interest to congressional investigators, but the reality is, federal investigators and the investigators in the southern district had that stuff in their hands already, they returned it to him. they did not have that in their possession and did not come through it.
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because his credibility is so tattered, because -- >> justifiably. >> unless he's got something on paper, people aren't going to take anything that he said and heard at face value. that's why the stormy daniels -- the discussions were so powerful, it was tape recorded. beyond that, he threw a hail mary pass eight weeks ago saying he had more information. >> he said he had more information today. when is it coming besides your book? >> he also wants a book contract. the one thing he does get out of that is getting a book contract. >> i want to stay on trump's taxes. not after two missed deadlines, steven mnuchin is going to decide if he will hand over the president's tax returns to
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congress. he responded to a request for six years of the president's tax returns from the house ways and means committee saying he needed until today to consult the justice department and make a decision. what will the president's team decide and what will house democrats do if the president decides to delay. and i haven't mentioned this, team trump has sued saying, no, we don't have to provide any of this. so, tim, you're actually one of the only people out there who has seen the president's tax returns. i know you can't share with us what's in there. but knowing what's in there and knowing who steve mnuchin is, do you think there's any likelihood he will provide them. >> i highly doubt he's going to play ball here. the kiss of death is to
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cooperate with outside investigators or outside institutions that the president doesn't want you to cooperate with it. jeff sessions learned that, bill barr has gone down a different road. the tax returns are relevant in the same way the president's health records are. we have some leading the country who's background should matter to voters. we should know what the -- what influences come to bear on the president in the oval office if he's financially conflicted and how that might affect policy making. and that's been -- that's why every president since 1973 has turned over their tax returns and the fact that trump doesn't want to begs the question, obviously, what is he trying to hide? and i would suspect the things he's trying to keep out of public view have to do with financial conflict of interest. >> the justice department is involved here. could this be another opportunity for bill barr to act as the protector of president
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trump rather than the attorney general. >> there would have to be some sort of criminal nexus. would disclosing these tax returns or is there something involved in it that's part of an ongoing investigation that would damage something having to do with the department of justice. >> what if they can't get to that point. if you look in the mueller report, if it wasn't for information that was bleached, that was whited out, if it wasn't for people who wouldn't cooperate or said they can't remember, then maybe mueller could have gone farther. >> when you look at that, you have to wonder what type of other physical records did they get? did they get the president's tax returns? did they have probable cause to obtain it? so i think the question there is going to have to be can the justice department weigh in? i don't see a situation here where they could interseed with
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a request from congress. >> tim, you said from the beginning, follow the money. robert mueller in terms of following the money handed that entire line over to the southern district of new york. many have said, wait, there's so much more to come. with bill barr being the sitting attorney general, could his current position not taint these ongoing investigations. >> it's not only a matter of it could taint it, bill barr has the ability to reach into the southern district and have a voice over that investigation. that's been a very independent attorney's office. >> he's still the boss. >> he's still the boss and i think there would be a firestorm of outrage among prosecutors if barr did that. but i don't put it past him, given what we've seen him do so far. amy klobuchar asked barr during his testimony if bob mueller had
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trump's tax returns. bill barr said he didn't know. amy klobuchar's requested them if they're part of the mueller investigation. that's in process. the other thing that is an avenue for getting those is that deutsch bank has them. president trump has loans for over two decades -- >> and he's suing them not to release them. >> not to release financial records. but within those financial records, he applied for loans and a portion of his income tax returns would have been part of those applications. >> and we know from the southern district of new york that some of those records have been submitted by deutsch bank. thank you both so much. next, a wild start for the markets today after the president said he will slap higher tariffs on chinese goods. how all of this affects the trade talks and your wallet. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." ♪
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." president trump's escalating trade war with china has rattled global markets again. we saw a nose-dive at the open. markets are bouncing back now, but all of this is because of this weekend when president trump said he's going to raise chinese tariffs from 10 to 25% beginning this friday. joining me now john harwood.
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>> people thought there will be a 1% chance there won't be a trade agreement. today that's a 10% chance and the market has reacted. we shouldn't be shocked. >> not at all. i suspect that the pull back of the markets is a reflection to that previous sentiment that we are likely to get a deal. president trump responds moment to moment. when the stock market is doing badly because of his trade war, he will tend to pull back. when he gets close to a deal, if he sees criticism of the deal, then he will pull back and threaten more tariffs which will cause the cycle to continue. >> there's a big risk here, john. kudos to president trump for trying to take this on. we know that china is a bad actor as it relates to technology, it's amazing what they've done.
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it's a closed economy. the president has said no more. but if the markets start to wobble and lose faith in him, we know he wants a booming stock market going into 2020. do we run the risk that he agrees to even worse terms on a trade deal just to get something done and say he has a win? >> absolutely we do. again, to really take on china -- you're right, stephanie, china has been a problematic actor in world trade for quite a long time. if you're going to take them on, you've got to be strategic about it. one of the things that the president jettisoned as soon as he became president was ttp, an attempt to take on china with the help of our allies. the president has alienated many of our allies and gone it alone. a president who's running for re-election next year, if he has to choose between a immediate
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roker deal, i would bet on the former. >> john harwood of cnbc. now we got to turn to iran. the trump administration deploying a carrier strike group and bomber task force to the middle east ahead of what's been scheduled. national security advisor john bolton announced it last night and it was intended to send a clear message to the iranian regime that any attack on the united states interests will be met with unrelenting force. the "new york times" found the decision came after intelligence showed new threats by iranian forces and iraqi militias in the region and they have found even more threats. >> and courtney joins me now. explain all of this to me. >> we're told by u.s. and
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defense officials that this is actually based off of multiple threats to multiple parts of the region. not just from these shia militias in iraq. the u.s. gathered some intelligence that said some of these proxy forces were planning an attack against u.s. forces in the region. we don't know what level that planning was at. it was serious enough that u.s. central command requested an increased presence in the region. this was requested by general mackenzie just in the last few days due to this threat to -- and he was hoping for it to be more of a deterrent than anything else in the region, steph. >> these are complicated, complicated times. thank you so much for this important reporting. next, the fight over the
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." i can't remember my name, but i can remember that voting counts. candidates, they are back on the campaign trail addressing a number of issues today including gun control. just this morning, senator cory booker released a new plan tackling gun violence across america. it implements a federal gun licensing program and banning assault rifles. and beto o'rourke is saying there's enough evidence to move forward with impeaching president trump. this study shows that a majority of americans, nearly 59% say socialism is not compatible with american values. 29% say it is compatible. as we look ahead to the 2020 election, a majority of americans say the united states
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should amend the constitution and eliminate a major staple of the election process, the electoral college. in order to win the presidential election, the party candidate must receive 270 electoral college votes. joining me now to break all of this down, nbc news political correspondent, and monmouth university polling professor. welcome to you both. help me understand this evolution around people's views on the electoral college. >> we got a poll, brand-new on this question, the electoral college versus the popular vote. how do you want to pick the president? guess what, the popular vote wins the popular vote, a small majority there say never mind what the electoral college, let's go straight to the popular vote. there's a pretty stark divide here. when you break this down by party, democrats and republicans, that's where you really see it. look, among democrats, basically 80% there saying they want the
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popular vote. remember, their candidate won the popular vote by upwards of 3 million vote and is yet is not president. and that happened in 2000 with al gore winning the popular vote and losing the presidency on the republican side, almost the exact opposite. republicans twice in the last 20 years won presidential elections through the electoral college in spite of losing the vote. when you look back over time, cbs news has polled this a number of time, this is 1987, strong support, 57% republican, 63% democratic support at that time for the popular vote. at that point in history, there was no modern example of a candidate winning the presidency through the electoral college and not the popular vote. it had not happened in modern times. you had strong support in both parties.
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then it happened in 2000, and right there, you see republican support dropped for the popular vote, when george w. bush won, people seemed to move on. the support ticked back up in 2012. and in 2016 it happened again. the support among republicans has dropped like a rock just as democratic support for it has increased in the wake of what's happened to them two times in 20 years. >> is the debate around the electoral college really around, is this a fair system, or is it entirely political. if it's an unfair system but it works for me, i want to keep it. that's kind of the way it sounds. >> i think you can see here, when this was -- when there were no examples for people to work off of, when it was more theoretical, i think the baseline on this is most folks are going to air on the side of i like the popular vote. you can find some polling from the 1970s, this issue came up back then.
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similar results. as you see what happens here, when you have an actual election where this becomes real, and not abstract, you do get to see much more of that polarization. that enter into it and that becomes an undeniable force. >> does polling around this debate around capitalism versus socialism, does it force us into an either/or that the american people aren't looking for. to see capitalism isn't working for me is one thing, but it doesn't mean that socialism will. and it feels like these kinds of questions or framing it this way, won't help the majority of americans? >> no. i think that's what they're telling us. we looked at some issues like universal health care which has support, but the people who support it say it's neither socialist nor capitalist, the people who are against it say it's socialist. we're seeing this become a partisan issue in terms of what terms you use. we're seeing a lot of people
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right now, 30% of the public have neutral views on both capitalism and socialism. they're saying capitalism, i don't think it's really working for me, but these other ideas are really good. don't call them socialism because that's a dirty word. and in fact i think one of the things we're seeing from this poll and from others is there are two words that i think republicans going into 2020 would like to hear a lot on a campaign trail, one of them is socialism and the other one is impeachment. i think they can win folks over. >> steve, do political parties listen to things like that and wise up to it? do they say, the american people might like these ideas, but they don't like this label, and do those parties say we need to rebrand this. >> that's interesting to hear him talk about socialism. you can go back about a generation in american politics, they called it the "l" word back then. liberal. every republican running for office in the '80s was trying to brand their democratic opponent
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a liberal. and it was bill clinton when he won in 1992, he shied away from that label, liberal was very much a term that the polling worked against democrats for a long time. now you can see the terrain is shifting in other directions. >> people often say in polls they don't like negative ads but here's the problem, they're impactful. thank you. i appreciate it. you know what else, maybe people don't care about those labels, they want health care, good jobs and they want their kids to get a good education. a new study finds all of america's electronic voting systems can be hacked. we're going to look at how vulnerable our system is. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." excuse me, where is gate 87? you should be mad at non-seasoned travelers. and they took my toothpaste away. and you should be mad at people who take unnecessary risks.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." we know that right now, right now, russia is attacking america's elections, even if the president doesn't want to ask vladimir putin about it. they are using online influence campaigns and widespread hacking. as we look to 2020, we are learning how vulnerable our system is. a new study reveals that all modern voting systems can be hacked. researchers say even paper ballots that are scanned by machines, they're not safe either. tech companies are working to find ways to prevent attacking
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on our polling machines ahead of the election. jacob ward joins me now. if technology companies are working on solutions, does the u.s. government have the political will and are they willing to put funding behind it to look into this and b prevent this kind of hacking. >> the amount of money it would cost is really pretty small when you look at infrastructure bills, with the wall, right, the estimate is about a billion dollars to replace voting machines, make them modern, and, yet, no, there is not the political will to do this. you're seeing mitch mcconnell stand in the way of a new bill that would preserve election safety and that's just because we're divided as a country on the need for this stuff. it's funny because out here on the west coast, when you talk to people about it in the tech community, they think there's a straight forward answer, and microsoft said they're going to be offering free software tools
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for election verification systems -- >> hold on. that's new news. microsoft is going to say they're going to offer free software, they're offering it for free to the government. the government would have to take them up on that. >> the vendors would have to work them into their systems. they're calling election guard. and one of the ways it's supposed to work is offer a way of both verifying individual votes and also then verifying the veracity of the election in total. one of the threat that is i thought was really interesting is the threat to campaigns themselves, that at this stage, when you've got a campaign on the ground in iowa, with 30 kids coming in with their mom's laptop, they're vulnerable to fishing campaigns, where you write in, and say, hey, i'm someone's posing as the campaign manager from kansas and send me your most sensitive stuff. that kind of attack happens all the time at this stage in the
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election. microsoft is offering all kinds of tools for dealing with that. there's a lot of vulnerability that tech people say we can fix this but there isn't the political will around it. >> there isn't the political will. maybe we should think everyone would want a safe election system. thank you so much. this is really, really important reporting. it's things many things don't realize are happening. when we come back, it is a boy. you know what i'm talking about. i'm going to take you live to the uk with new details on the newest member of the royal family. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." and struggle. we actually... seek it out. other species do difficult things because they have to. we do difficult things. because we like to. we think it's... fun. introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger
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talking to your doctor. help heal your skin from within. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." the royal baby watch is officially over. early this morning, meghan markle and prince harry welcomed a baby boy. the new father could not stop beaming as he made the announcement. >> i'm very excite to announce that meghan and myself had a baby boy early this morning, a very healthy boy. mother and baby are doing incredibly well. it's been the most amazing
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experience i could ever possibly imagine. how any woman does what they do is beyond comprehension. but we're both thrilled and so grateful to all the love and support from everybody out there. it's been amazing. just wanted to share this with everybody. >> and what about names? are you still thinking about names? >> still thinking about names. the baby's a little bit overdue so we've had time to think about it. but we're still -- that's the next bit. i haven't been at many births. this is my first birth. it was amazing. incredible. i'm so proud of my wife. as every father and parent would say, your baby is amazing. this little thing is to die for. i'm over the moon. >> fantastic. royal correspondent for sky news
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is live on the ground at windsor. that announcement just gave us the chills. how is everyone doing? >> yeah, i think that announcement from prince harry himself caught all of us by surprise. we know that harry and meghan have wanted to maintain the privacy, but he decided he wanted to step out and answer a few questions about what it is like now finally being a father for the first time. he seemed giddy. so excited. maybe a little bit tired. but obviously elated to be by her side. and i think for lots of women out there, they will be touched to the fact that he was paying tribute to his wife. he's held her in such high regard and i think that's gone up another level now that she has delivered him a son today. >> without a doubt. so perfect just ahead of mother's day. we're talking so much about the baby naming.
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are there any royal regulations around baby boy sussex? >> i think that's one that's going to be interesting for us to mull over now. are they going to go for to go traditional name? we know the duke and duchess of cambridge, because they are higher up in that line of succession, tended to go for more traditional names for their child. will harry and meghan have a bit more flexibility? we'll have to wait and see. also, it is important to note that this boy is now seventh to the throne which is why there are no huge preliminary indications around this baby. there is special dispensing of the throne, it goes down to
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harry's grandmother. i think a couple days from now as we finally see that photo shoot of them of a family of three, we may get an idea of what they've decided to call thi their son. >> will the son have dual citizenship? we know his mother is american. >> while he may be seventh in line to the throne, it does make a difference that now we're looking at a baby that has dual heritage, who is both american and british as well. that's what really struck me, is the fact that you guys are so excited over in america about the fact that you have this new little prince who is just as much american as it is british. i think that is something harry and meghan have already been doing, to make sure they're not just appealing to this british audience over here but certainly through their instagram account, they are definitely reaching across the atlantic, making sure america feels part of this very special day and special
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announcement. >> we have a whole new reason to get excited about the royals. thank you for joining me today. next, a new report found a shocking number of species facing extinction. would you like to know why? humans. we're going to dig into what can be done. extinction never a good thing. you're watching v"velshi and ruhle." v"velshi and ruhle. that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, to provide care that's just as unique as you are. no matter what your name is. ♪
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1 million. that is how many species are under fire under the threat of extinction thanks to humans, a new terrifying united nations report has found. it was found by the intergovernmental platform on biodiversity and eco systems. a scientist on that panel saying this: we are eroding the very foundations of our economies, livelihoods, food security, health and quality of life worldwide. here's what the report found. 25% of mammals, more than 40% of amph amphibians, nearly 33% of sharks and 20% of plant groups could become extinct within decades. the report also found that the rate of extinction is, quote, at at least ten times higher than it is over the past million years. do you know why? human actions. human actions like urbanization,
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poaching and climate change. the report says it is not too late to fix the problem, but it will take great will from individuals all over the world to make a difference, and we must act now. i want to bring back nbc news technology correspondent jake ward. jake, put this report into perspective, because when you read that headline, it sounds devastating. >> yeah. you know, it really is devastating, stephanie. this is how dark the times are in the view of researchers, at least here on the west coast that i talked to. i know a team that's actually working on the idea of a post-nature research project that seeks to basically capture the digital after-image of species, basically accepting that they're going to go extinct so we can have some record to study of them in the past. that's sort of how much people are getting ready of the horrors this report is talking about. it is dark times, i have to say. >> how do we accomplish a tu turnaround? in the report it says with will
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it can be changed. right now there's not even a consensus around climate change. >> i know, you look at it and you think this is the moment when aliens land with space guns and we all band together like you see in the movies. >> but it's not. for your average american at home, there are not space aliens coming out and saying, we're going to take you over. this is an intangible. so how do we help them understand because it's not fair to put it that way. >> i know, i guess i feel it's the kind of thing where we should be able to band together, we should be able to access something really basic in our programming that just says existential threat, humanity, band together, and we're not doing that for some reason. the tactics we've seen, we know that cutting down on big agricultural production especially around meat is one of the big things people talk about, manufacturing, putting a real price on the cost of products and the pollution that they do, prizing indigenous lands. the report says indigenous
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stewardship of lands tends to save them a little better. we need to get on board that this is an existential threat. you and i have kids the same age, stephanie, and i'm worried they'll be talking about this stuff in the past tense, and i just hope that isn't the case. >> get your kids to care. make them conservationists. take them outside. thank you for watching this edition of "velshi and ruhle." connect with us on velshi ruhle where my dear friend kristen welker is picking up coverage. kristen, i know indicakaty tur home watching every minute of it. >> i saw your interview with katy tur. it was fantastic to see her reaction to all of this. i am kristen welker in for katy tur. it is 2:00 p.m. here in washington where house judiciary
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chairman jerry nadler has moved to hold attorney general william barr in contempt of congress. nadler says, quote, the attorney general's failure to comply with our subpoena after extensive conversation efforts left us no choice but to attempt proceedings and admission of the unredacted mueller report. the white house has threatened to defy witness testimony. i asked the president if he would allow robert mueller to testify before congress. here's what he told me then. mr. president, would you like to see robert mueller testify? >> i don't know, that's up to our attorney general, who i think has done a fantastic job. >> it looks like mr. trump had a change of heart. in a posted tweet he says bob mueller should not testify

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