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to hold attorney general william barr in contempt of congress. nadler says, quote, the attorney general's failure to comply with our subpoena after extensive conversation efforts left us no choice but to attempt proceedings and admission of the unredacted mueller report. the white house has threatened to defy witness testimony. i asked the president if he would allow robert mueller to testify before congress. here's what he told me then. mr. president, would you like to see robert mueller testify? >> i don't know, that's up to our attorney general, who i think has done a fantastic job. >> it looks like mr. trump had a change of heart. in a posted tweet he says bob mueller should not testify before the committee, saying no
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redemption for the dems. at this point that may be a lot of tough talk, because right now there is no sign that the president has taken action despite the testimony from counsel. the big question we're asking, why would president trump want to stand in the way of mueller testifying about a report that he claims exonerates him? joining me now to discuss all of this and kick off the show, nbc correspondent kelly o'donnell on capitol hill, columnist and associated editor and msnbc political contributor david ignatius and analyst clint watts. thank you all for being here. kelly, i want to start with you. talk to us about how significant this move would be for democrats to actually vote to hold the attorney general in contempt? >> it is ratcheting up the pressure in a very big way. with the chairman comes the gavel and apparently a hammer,
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too. they're u using the power of holding someone in contempt of congress is to try to compel the attorney general to hand over the full unredacted report. that's at issue here. while only a small portion of it was unredacted, there is also grand jury information that the committee wants to work with the attorney general to get a judge's approval to make available to the committee, and by extension, that could further become public. barr has made it available for republicans and democrats to view that. the democrats have not because they want access to it publicly. we'll see it play out in a debate at the committee level where members on both sides will be able to talk about these issues, come together with what they would like to see in the formal resolution, and then take a vote. it has to then move through the process, but that process itself carries power here in trying to leverage the department of justice and the attorney general to do something that house
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democrats want and they have the authority here to try to compel this because of their oversight responsibilities. so it is only one act in the play, but it is a powerful move, and contempt of congress can be a serious instance where it would be a federal misdemeanor. we haven't really seen much of that before. it did happen with eric holder and then ultimately a judge decided not to carry it out with him. that's, of course, when republicans were in charge. but what will this do in terms of putting more pressure on the attorney general who has also been separately accused of not being fully forthright or truthful before congress. so this is a lot baked into this, and wednesday will be a way that jerrold nadler, the chairman of this committee, and house democrats can show the muscle that comes with being in charge on the house side. kristen? >> reporter: right, and the question this escalates, kelly, is what would that actually mean? david, i want to read something from politico which says, the
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impact of a contempt citation could be simply symbolic. republicans held barack obama's attorney general eric holder in contempt for failure to turn over some documents. some democrats have floated the possibility of using punitive enforcement mechanisms against barr for defying their subpoena, including levying fines against the attorney general. let's say on wednesday he is held in contempt of congress. what do we anticipate happening? what's the actual penalty there? >> how that contempt citation would be enforced, obviously, would end up being a matter, i think, for the courts. i think, as kelly suggested, we should see this in part as the beginning of a series of skirmishes deepening confrontations fwebetween the democratic house and the administration. i think it's going to end up eventually in one way or another, i'm not saying it will
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be the barr citation, i think somehow this will end up in court. trump has already drawn the battle lines. he's already mentioned the supreme court will, in the end, he thinks, deliver him. he's suggesting that's where this fight is going to end up. i'm not going to yield now. we'll see with mueller's testimony now tentatively discussed being on may 18, maybe the battle line will be drawn with that. but i think we should look skirmishing confrontation for a while. >> and you had my question, which is will mueller testify? he objected to it. take a listen to what the attorney general recently said about this, and then clint, i'm going to get your reaction on the other side. >> what about bob mueller? should he be allowed to testify?
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>> i already said publicly i have no objection to him. >> you have no objection to bob mueller testifying before congress? >> i have no problem with bob mueller testifying. >> multiple times there, you hear the attorney general saying, look, i have no problem with it. president trump came out over the weekend, and as david is saying, this is the new battle line, right? president trump says, no, mueller should not testify. he hasn't taken any action yet beyond saying that. what do you anticipate happening on that front? what realistically can president trump do to try to block mueller? >> it's just strange. i think this is the first time we see attorney general barr running into what all colleagues are seeing, which is the attorney general says one thing, the president says another thing and changes his tune later. ultimately i don't think that the president can keep former fbi director and special counsel mueller from testifying forever, meaning he may be able to delay it procedurally. i think this really will come down to how barr responds in the
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next 48 hours or so, yes or no, whether this will go. and if the president backtracks, which wouldn't be surprising. then again, if you wait three or four months, he's no longer the head of the department of justice. he could go ahead and testify. i suspect robert mueller wants to get this over with and knows before he testifies, it will never end. i suppose he'll be with congress whether it's next week or two weeks or four weeks from now. it remains to be seen. i just don't know at this point. >> and democrats saying they're zeroing in on a potential date for that to happen. as we come on the air, there is yet another development. the "washington post" reporting that more than 370 former federal prosecutors who served under both republican and democratic administrations just released a statement saying this. quote, each of us believes that the conduct of president trump described in special counsel robert mueller's report would,
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in the case of any other person not covered by the office of legal counsel policy against indicting a sitting president result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice. how does this impact the debate that we're having right now? >> i think it does. he wanted to know the questions he should ask. i think the question to ask would be, if this were not a sitting president, if there were not doj barriers put in place indicting him or bringing charges in general, would you have done that? i think that question would be devastating if mueller were to answer it. i don't know necessarily that he will. he will probably say, my job was not to make a decision in that case, but what i think you see in this article from the "washington post" is it's overwhelming. i think in any other circumstance, you look at any other american citizen, had they done these things, they would have been charged with
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obstruction. i think that question, and this may be why the president is now nervous as he's become circumspect about it, if mueller is asked that question, it could have devastating consequences for the president in terms of public opinion. >> of course, hovering over all of this is the issue of election meddling. on friday i asked the president if, during that hour-long phone call with president putin, he asked him not to meddle again in this next upcoming election. take a look at that exchange. >> he actually sort of smiled when he said something to the effect that it started off as a mountain and it ended up being a mouse. >> did you tell him not to meddle in the next election? >> we didn't discuss that, really didn't discuss it. >> kelly, this is a bipartisan issue. you have republicans and democrats expressing real concerns about russia and what they might be upped.
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>> well, we also have members of the president's own administration, the ongoing threat with russia that threatened to interfere in their elections. one of the difficulties with this president is he's always deflateed from his own interest. he has told us publicly that with vladimir putin, he believes his denials. the president said, yes, they've tried to do this and it didn't affect the outcome. there is still concern as we head into another election season about what capacity and what even sharper and newer abilities russians or others might have in trying to affect or influence the 2020 election. kristen? >> david, final thought to you, just picking up on that point by kelly, that this really hits the
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nail on the head, right? it gets under the president's skin. he thinks it raises questions about the legitimacy of his election, but you do have this divide within the administration. you have a number of administration officials saying, we're working on this. what is the remaining issue if you have this divide? >> putin is working on the report as if it were the vindication for russia. it's the opposite. it's the most detailed description of the conspiracy, the russian intolerance against the united states than you could imagine. trump doesn't realize they're intolerance
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intolerances. ly. a stride to block efforts in the 2020 lerkzs. i think he's got more of a problem than he realizes. >> this hour, thanks to all of you. this afternoon, former trump attorney and fixer michael cohen, he'll serve a three-year sentence on tax evasion, lying to congress and campaign fina e finance. he spoke to a reporter as he left his apartment today. take a listen. >> i hope that when i rejoin my family and friends that the country will be in a place without xenophobia, injustice and lies at the helm of our country. there still remains much to be told. and i look forward to the day that i can share the truth. and thank you all very much.
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>> msnbc correspondent kathy park is in otisville, new york. you've been all over this story, kathy, so what can michael cohen expect when he goes behind bars there? >> kristen, he checked in just before noon today. and the process was pretty orderly and quick. he was stalled briefly as he drove up two-mile drive. right now it's most likely that he's going through the processing phase right now in the medium security facility, so that looks like various tasks, screenings. he eventually will get a work detail and he'll be trading in whatever he came in with with a prison uniform, he'll get a bed roll and towels. that's pretty much it and then he'll be transferred to the minimum security camp. we do want to clarify, according to a former employee who used to work at otisville, this isn't a typical jail cell. there are no bars.
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it's basically a tight cube that is made of cinderblocks because this is a minimum security prison. katherine? >> thank you for that great reporting. we know you'll stay on top of it. appreciate it. still ahead, it's another deadline day for president trump's taxes. but will democrats ever get to see them? the 2020 debate stage and the lengths democrats are taking to get there. the president threatened to put more tariffs on china and the markets reacted, when we come right back. e markets reacte come right back. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood,
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global markets took a dive today after president trump threatened additional tariffs on chinese goods for the weekend. in a series of tweets, the president admonished china for taking too long to negotiate a trade deal, and he proposed a 15% tariff hike as well as an additional 25% tariff on previously untaxed goods. joining me now, "washington post" national political reporter and msnbc political analyst robert costa and chief of staff matt mcclarty. matt, you wrote, the hard-line turn was at odds with recent administration optimism and it unsettled plans for this week's
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potential final round of negotiations. chinese vice premier liu he was expected to lead a 100-person delegation to washington on wednesday and meet with trump to finalize deal, but administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity. china wasn't expecting this, were they? >> it caught them off guard. china was looking for more concessions before liu he came to washington to finalize negotiations. as the president ratcheted up his rhetoric over the weekend, chinese officials said maybe the talks should be stalled a little bit more, the president is doing too much. the market is reacting in an interesting way. they're not believing yet the talks are collapsing, wondering if both sides are seeking leverage at this moment. still a little bit of optimism
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in the markets as well as the thought that negotiations have hit the skids. >> is this a smart move by the president? is this brinksmanship that could pay off? >> time will judge. i think robert made an important point. expectations are so important in any negotiation, and particularly trade negotiations. so what's happened is expectations where president trump had said they were about done, secretary mnuchin had. the markets had anticipated it and now you have this bump in the road. it's hard to know, is it a bump or is it really running offer the rails? >> when you look at this president's record so far, he's very good at tearing apart these big deals and saying, i'm going to get a tougher deal, i'm going to get a better deal. we saw that with the paris climate agreement, we saw that with iran. he has gotten some trade deals, but this is a tough one. there are a lot of sticking points as it relates to china. >> this is different, make no
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mistake about it. to use the president's word, it's huge. our relations with u.s.-china, both trade relations, security relations overall, very critical now and into the future. so hopefully -- i do give the president credit for addressing this tough issue, the trade issues with china, but we'll see if they can bring home a deal and how the chinese reacted. president xi has his own internal pressures. >> he sure does. this is what the president tweeted over the weekend. the united states has been losing for many years 600 to 800 billion dollars a year on trade. with china we lose 500 billion dollars. sorry, we're not going to be doing that anymore. this is the person who wrote the art fortunaof the deal. he believes he's the deal maker and these are the tough tactics he has to use. >> the president believes, based on the jobs numbers of last week, that he's in a strong negotiating position. at the same time, it's worth noting that xi jinping, the
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president of china, he believes he, too, has a strong negotiating position. if you look at the recent one belt, one road conference in china, all these leaders coming to xi jinping saying they want to engage with china economically, build their relationship with china. so xi jinping feels he's in a strong position as well. this is a test of wills this week. will the president back down a little bit? will both sides come to the negotiating table with some concessions maybe privately between liu he and eisenhower, the tried representative. >> jobs report on friday, the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s. is he wrong to take that stance? >> we will see, but i would urge the president to think seriously about not overplaying his hand. this is not a new york real estate deal, this is a complex negotiation with china. nicin this case i do think the president has done a pretty good
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job of maintaining a personal relationship with president xi. hopefully that will serve both leaders well and they will get a good deal. that's a strong first step, kristen. they won't get it all done at once, but a strong first step. up next, the dash to make the democratic debate stage and the lengths campaigns are going to to get there. i'll talk more about that with democratic presidential candidate jay inslee when we come back. stay with us. inslee when we come back. stay with us
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. we are just less than two months away from the first 2020 democratic debates, if you can believe it. in a crowded field, many see the debates as their only chance of standing out. candidates need donations from 65,000 individual donors to qualify for the debates and/or 1% in three approved polls. joining me now to break this all down, msnbc news contributor and elena schneider.
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elena, you say, the televised debates could be make or break shocases for the 2020 presidential candidates, and the requirement has reshaped the strategy of candidates struggling to cross the donor ma mark, changing spending priorities and altering the path of their campaigns. >> we've never seen a field like this before. that might not change, we'll probably still see 20 candidates spread out over two nights, but the way it's changing how they're focusing on it, rather than allocating resources living room by living room in iowa and new hampshire, they're aware they need to drop the national message and get people from texas and california and illinois who will be giving them $1 so they can be on that debate stage. it means spending more on facebook ads, it means pushing a
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digital presence more than they might have in years past. >> so you can get either 1% in polling or you can raise a certain amount. candidates are actually saying, we have to do both, right? why is that? explain that. >> i think there is an awareness amongst the campaign that they will ratchet up the requirements. there will be more pressure to winnow down the field, and limit the number of people on stage. is it going to be 90,000, 100,000 individual donors? we don't know that yet, but if it goes up, they need to get through this first threshold to prove they can do it from there. >> if you're one of these lesser known candidates, is this ant make or break for you? >> they're important, and i would argue barack obama wasn't
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the best debater in 2008, donald trump wasn't the best debater in 2016, but it allows you to say i'm the best candidate in the presidential field. viewers and select voters in iowa and new hampshire, most of the country hasn't tuned in yet, so the debate is the first opportunity for people to say, oh, my goodness. this is a candidate that's running. i've seen that name in newspapers and digital platforms. i don't know what they actually look like. then it allows candidates to be able to steal a moment in the limelight. does it improve fundraising? does it give them a stage they haven't had yet? >> elena raised a good point, though. should they not be hitting these early voting states and focus on that and building up their campaign operation, or is this smart for them? >> they're playing the game that was established. it was the dnc that set this
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donor rule, and you can make an argument they want candidates who can fund-raise very well and do it in a small donor way, but thi they could have picked a different metric of staffers in iowa or new hampshire to build those groundworks. they can raise small dollar donations, they're pulling out big infrastructures in the early winning states, but if you are that person sitting on candidate number 15 to number 19 or number 21, you're having to put all your money to get noticed in the polls and also that 65-plus donor threshold. >> we know they're scrambling to make that threshold. thank you for that. really appreciate it. joining me now, democratic governor of washington state and 2020 presidential candidate jay inslee. thank you, governor, for being herement apprecia here. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> how confident are you that you're going to qualify for
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these first debates? >> i'm very confident. we just rolled out my plan for clean energy. that's given us a boost, so i feel confident that we have a message that resonates. certainly today's news that we're losing maybe a million species to extinction partially driven by climate change is part of this mission-driven candidacy which is mine that is resonating. obviously, anybody out there who wants to see climate change on the debate stage, you can go to to send any amount you like to make sure you have a champion on the debate stage. >> i'm going to drill down with you on climate change in just a moment, but just to be clear at this point, at this point in time it's my understanding you've met the polling standard but you haven't met yet the fundraising standard. how are you going to get there by those first debates? >> we're going to continue to share my mission statement, which is to have a candidate who
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will make defeating climate change the number one priority of the united states. and i fundamentally believe this is our last chance to save my grandchildren from this monster and everyone else's grandchildren, for that matter, and i've also been sharing a message that i've been a governor that has been extremely successful at advancing progressive policies, beating the nra, getting a huge wage increase for our educators, having the first long-term care plan and the best family paid leave. just sharing that message is what we're doing. >> and how close are you from a dollar amount? >> we're a few thousand away from the 65,000. we actually have qualified, but we want to be competitive and we're going to continue. and as long as the rules stay where they are. but again, if people want to have climate change on the debate stage, i would suggest they need me on that stage and they can go to and
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help out. that's always helpful. >> here's a portion of it. it says, the natinature is decl globally at rates unprecedented in human history and climate change is amongst the five direct drivers of change in nature with the larnlest relative global impacts so far. if you asked democrats, many would say climate is their top priorities. but if you look at a broader swath of voters, independents, they want to hear you guys talk about issues like the economy, health care. how do you make that case that you're not just a one-issue candidate, governor? >> well, listen, climate change is not a single issue, it is all the issues. it's the economy where paradise, california -- look, when you have your whole turn buown burn that's an economic issue. they are actually going bankrupt because of the fires.
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it is a health issue. look, there are more people that die from air pollution coming out of our tailpipes than die in car crashes every year. it is a national security issue. we are already seeing climate refugees that are driving political instability, and that's why the pentagon has identified climate change as a real national security risk. so this is no longer a line on a graph. it is now people seeing the massive floods today in iowa, we're seeing miami beach having to build up their roads because of saltwater intrusion. we're seeing in my city of seattle -- we couldn't let our kids go outside to play because of the smoke from forest fires. this is an urgent moment. >> let me drill down on some of the aspects of your actual plan which includes closing some of america a's coal-fired plants. what i hear you saying there is we're closing down these coal plants but we're going to make
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sure the folks who work there have jobs. as you know, though, that's partly why president trump got elected because he says he's going to bring back coal country. what do you say to those voters who say, look, this is not the message we want to hear? >> it's one of the reasons he's not going to be reelected. he has not delivered jobs in the midwest where we're going to deliver building electric cars, and my plan calls for 100% clean cars. he has not delivered on the effort to give us a clean electrical grid. we're going to put people to work making batteries and wind turbines in iowa that are sprouting like cornstalks. can you believe this, he said wind turbines cause cancer. we know they cause jobs. he hasn't allowed for labors and machinists that we want to put to work retrofitting our buildings to save energy. that's what we're helping to deliver for working people in
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this country. >> governor, i haven't seen a price tag yet. how much is your plan going to cost and how are you going to pay for it? >> i think that's the wrong question. how much is it going to cost not to do something about climate change? look, today in the midwest, i visited a small town, hamburg, iowa, had never been flooded since 1858. now we have $1.5 billion of damage just from one flooding season in the midwest. it is too costly not to defeat climate change. there are a heck of a lot more jobs to be had defeating climate change than there is in denying climate change. we need a president who believes in science -- >> governor, i take your point, but very quickly before you go, you know if you put a piece of legislation before congress, they want to know how are we going to pay for this and how much is it going to cost? so how are you going to pay for these proposals? >> how did we build an auto industry? we're going to build a new and revamped auto industry. this generates wealth.
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it doesn't cost money over time. if you put a roof on so your home doesn't collapse, ultimately that did not cost you money, you saved your home. our health is on fire right now because of climate change. it is a prudent, worthwhile investment to save us from that devastation. i feel confident that that company that went to the moon, defeated fascism realized investments that saved this country. that's what this job is about. i'm up to it, and i hope people will join me on this mission statement. >> governor inslee, thank you so much for sharing your insights. really appreciate it. >> thank youme. the treasury department has missed two deadlines to deliver tax returns to democrats. what happens when they don't get it? we'll take a look at that when we come back. a look at that whn we come back one third of our clt is made with cauliflower but that's not stopping anyone
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joining me now to discuss this, the founder of he's also the maker of donald trump. you write that the irs is required to cooperate with these requests saying, quote, if they follow the law, they absolutely have to hand them over after a 1994 anti-corruption law which was passed after a scandal. congress can look at anybody's tax return at any time. it doesn't seem like mnuchin is going to comply, though. what happens now? >> no, it doesn't seem like he's comply, and by the way, the president has the exact same authority to look at anyone's tax return by simply asking for it in writing. the likely outcome is that the house ways and means committee chairman, richard neal, will get a vote to take the president's team to court.
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and both mnuchin and charles reddig, the irs commissioner, who is the person with the technical legal authority who is supposed to turn it over, runs some risk here. if they are ultimately prosecuted which certainly wouldn't happen during this administration, they're at risk of five years in prison and, of course, being labeled felons which would seriously interfere with mnuchin's going back to wall street and reddig's continuing to practice law as a tax avoidance lawyer. >> and yet it doesn't seem like mnuchin is backing down at all. in fact, bloomberg has this astounding headline that his day job is consumed by protecting trump's tax returns. what do you make of that? >> well, you have around donald trump people who, instead of upholding the oath they took in their office to defend the constitution, have been compromised in one way or another by donald and they are doing what james comey would not.
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they are showing their loyalty to the boss, that not all their duty requires. there is an honorable way out of this for both mnuchin and reddig. resign. >> as you know, though, democrats are getting criticized. is there a real legislative purpose when you think about the oversight rule of democrats for them to see the president's tax returns, something he didn't release as a candidate? >> oh, absolutely. and remember, donald trump had two civil fraud trials. he lost both. the "new york times" in an extensive report didn't say looked like it, it said the president committed tax fraud. i'm not a lawyer but i used to teach tax fraud in law school, all agreed that there is a long run of tax fraud. so congress has an interest in this. in the nixon case, they ultimately approved the tax
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returns, but when they went to get these returns, it turned out nixon was a major tax cheat and the only reason he didn't go to prison is he got a presidential pardon. his lawyer did go to prison. >> well, thank you for helping us understand this iteration of it. david k. johnson, appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, should prisoners have the right to vote? we go behind bars to speak with inmates who already can. that's next. you don't want to miss it. y can. that's next. you don't want to miss it. discover.
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nbc news correspondent morgan had fo radford went to one. >> reporter: foster bates has been locked up 17 years. for the entire, a registered voter. >> voted every year there was an election. >> you voted in every election since you have been in here. >> yes. >> reporter: only two states allowed prisoners to vote. vermont and maine, where felons never lose the right to vote, even while incarcerated. here inside maine state prison, he is the president of an naacp chapter he leads with his vice
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president, also convicted of murder. >> doing what i did, i know i deserve to serve time for that. >> reporter: together, they help register other inmates to vote. >> what is this green for? >> that's the voter registration application form. >> reporter: with morer than 2 million behind mobars, the u.s. has the highest prison population in the world. a potential voting block bigger than theng entire state of new mexico. >> there's so much life happening outside these walls. >> yes. >> why do you think it is important to vote from within theseot walls? >> because weth are just as muc part of this country as anyone who is outside these walls, because we're incarcerated doesn't mean we should lose the right to vote. when i leaveri this facility, im as citizen still. >> reporter: an issue getting attention from thete cell blocko the 2020 campaign trail. >> i think the right to vote is in heern inherent to our democracy, yes, even for terrible people. >> let terrorists in prison
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vote, i don't think so. >> reporter: for diane and jim, the issue hits closer to home. >> it was a ring he had on his finger. >> reporter: their son was murdered. the man convicted of killing him isil serving 30 years, schedule to get out after the next presidential election. >> if you had a message to your lawmakers about this right to vote here, what would you say? >> thet only thing i say to th is my son didn't get a chance to vote. why wouldnc you allow someone tt committed a manslaughter, murder to voteer when my son couldn't vote. >> reporter: it isul an argumen the i inmates understand. >> there's not much you can say to the family as to why this person should vote, but the answer i would give is that you have to at some point in time if that person comes back to society, you want to have a changed person,av not the perso that committed the heinous crime. >> reporter: a person that says he is still a citizen, even if
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it is behind bars. >> what a report. joining me, correspondent morgan radford. thanks fort being here. really fascinating look at this debate that's becoming a big flashpoint. if you look at the polls, 69% oppose inmates voting from behind bars. 31% support it. talk about reaction you're tracking, the extent to which it will be a big issue on the 2020 trail. >> that's what's interesting. what are the political implications for candidates that want to support something that's seemingly so unpopular as that poll showed. for example, senator bernie sanders, he is the only one saying i absolutely support prisoners' rights to vote while behind bars. you have other senators like warren andth harris that said we're not ready to talk about that just yet but we are willing to talkbu about reenfranchising peoplein once they complete
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sentences. you hear others hard nosed on the topic. what's interesting, a lot of inmates said there's a common misperception, they will all vote for one party, presumably the democratic p party. in that prison, foster bates, the president of that naacp chapter said they have 50% if not more that voted for president trump in the last election. >> that's an important point to raise. i thought it was fascinating to hear theou inmate you interview saying i understand how the families feel. complicated issue, really important report. morgan radford, thank you. appreciate it. another royal is among us. one more thing is next. among u. one more thing is next ake banki, like.. pnc easy lock, so you can easily lock your credit card when its maximum limit differs from its vertical limit. and clover flex, for when you need to take credit cards when no one carries cash. or requesting a call to help get a new credit card-
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we have one more big little thing fwf we go. it is a boy. buckingham palace announced that meghan markle gave birth to a son at k 30 a.m. local time.
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a joyful prince harry shared the news. >> mother and baby are doing incredibly well. it is the most amazing experience i can possibly imagine, how any woman does what they do is beyond comprehension. but we're both absolutely thrilled. >> a proud papa. joining us, senior international correspondent keir simmons. this news made my day, my week, my month. i know you were excited for this to happen. do we have odds on favorites for names? >> reporter: yes. see, now you're putting me on the spot. we had so much trouble trying to predict when she would give birth, then we were taken by surprise today. you know, arthur is one name people are talking about, but whatever the name, this will be quite some baby. michelle obama herself tweeting
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just in the last few hours saying congratulations, meghan and harry. barack and i are so thrilled for both of you and can't wait to meet him. so how about that. members of the royal family, including the queen, prince charles, prince william, and members of princess diana's family were told before the announcement was made, and at the same time meghan's mom dorie a was there with them. i don't believe she was there when she gave birth, harry was there, but she was with them and is with them now. they're really in good hands, being well looked after. and harry says a name, they're still thinking about it, even though he admits that meghan was past her due date. there's no one smiling at the -- the way prince harry is. >> i beta l a lot are smiling w
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him. appreciate it. you have a busy day and night ahead. that wraps up things for this hour. i am kristin welker in washington. chris jansing picks things up from new york. exciting day for everyone. >> nice to wrap up the show with good news. maybe the royal baby's name could be keir. >> that's a lovely name. >> thank you. i am chris jansing in for alli velshi. the chairman of the house judiciary committee taking the first steps to hold attorney general william barr in contempt of congress. jerry nadler scheduled a vote for 10:00 a.m. wednesday which goes to the full house for final vote at a date to be determined by house speaker nancy pelosi. this escalating feud is after barr defied a subpoena, failing to provide the full 448 page unredacted version of special counsel robert mueller's report,


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