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nominee stephen moore. >> look who's here with us, kristen welker. >> i'm in for katy tur, today the white house is once again flexing its executive muscle to block a congressional subpoena. the trump administration has instructs former white house counsel don mcgahn not to comply with the request for documents related to the mueller investigation. jerry nadler says in part, the acting chief of staff to the president mick mulvaney has directed mr. mcgahn not to produce these white house records in response to the committee's april 22nd subpoena. the department of justice is aware of this legal position. mcgahn emerged as a central witness in the investigation.
interviewing for over 30 hours. democrats requested that he testify before the judiciary panel later this month, no word on whether that will happen. and also unresolved is a question as to whether robert mueller will testify before congress. >> mr. mueller's already spoken at length through his report, and if people want to drag this on, they're showing americans who they are. they're not interested in immigration or the economy. that's their choice, we would prefer a fully functioning government on capitol hill, that focuses on the legislation and not endless investigation. >> mueller should not be -- >> leave that to mueller. >> but that decision might not ultimately be up to the special counsel. according to a report by the associated press, mueller remains on the doj books. as long as he's on the department's payroll, the attorney general could block the special counsel from testifying.
our big question today is, will this epic stand-off prompt more democrats to call for impeachment? joining us now, jake sherman, washington post white house bureau chief and msnbc political analyst phillip rucker. jonathan lemire and georgetown law professor paul butler. thanks to all of you for being here. we have a very big panel. jake, i want to start with you, because democrats are making it clear, look, they're not backing down. the trump administration keeps putting up roadblocks, right? there's no indication that democrats are going to stop asking for these documents, and for these witness interviews. how far do you think they're prepared to go here? >> they're going to go to court, that's almost certain. the white house doesn't seem to be interested in participating
in the handover. that's substantive and political calculus, it seems, that's number one. number two, if this goes to court, which it seems likely, don't expect an answer for a long time, we saw this with eric holder, when the house republicans went to court to get documents from the doj in the obama administration, that lasted a very long time. but for the time being, democrats don't appear interested to -- in holding the president -- in impeaching the president or upholding him from other legislative priorities like infrastructure or drug pricing. administrative officials have spoken on a host of issues, so as long as there's not a political price for the president on capitol hill, i don't see why he'd have any incentive to change, and i've had conversations today around capitol hill, that appears to be the reality with a lot of members of congress as well. >> i think that absolutely is right. paul, let me go to you on the
legality of this. you heard jake say, this is going to go to court, essentially. what happens then, how far does this go? and do democrats win the right to see not only the documents, but to hear from mcgahn, the white house hasn't officially tried to block his testifying, but it steams like that might be the next step. >> the procedure would be for the congress to hold mcgahn in contempt, and then they would go to the courts to ask a judge to order mcgahn to comply with the subpoena. i think they would ultimately prevail, again, mcgann would have to turn over all of those documents and testify. but it could take years. and the strategy of the republicans and trump is to run out the clock until after the 2020 presidential election, when trump will get his way. remember why it's such a big deal. mcgann was the star witness in the mueller report. he spoke to them for 30 hours,
more than anyone else. he's got more information than anybody. >> jonathan weigh-in on that, what we just heard from paul, the strategy seems to be to run out the clock, because these court cases could take years? >> that's exactly right. they're hopeful down the road. even if they don't get one, they want to push this as far as they can into 2020, into the heart of the campaign season. which allows them to make the argument that what the democrats are doing is political. >> jonathan, you have reporting as it relates to whether mueller's going to testify. i asked president trump on friday, should mueller be allowed to testify, that's up to the attorney general, then he changed his mind over the weekend. reporting very specifically, this is up to the doj. and mueller is not the former special counsel.
he's still -- >> the report, this conclusion is a probe wrapped up over a month ago, he's still a department of justice ploy. if he remains that way, that will prevent him from testifying. you're right, the president has changed his mind. he wouldn't have a problem with attorney general barr, he would let robert mueller do it, officer the weekend we saw the tweet from the president, he's been telling people around him, he's fearful, very leery of allowing mueller that stage. he remembers what it was like when michael cohen testified before congress, and what a media circus that was. to the point it overshadowed a summit with kim jong-un in vietnam. america's never heard him talk, and i think that moment when he sits before congress and weighs in on what he reported, what he found on this investigation, america's going to be captiva captivated. and the president is concerned, the special counsel will
dominate the news yet again and deliver more politically damaging and embarrassing information about himself. >> few people understand the power of tv than this president, a former reality tv star himself. phillip rucker, the house speaker has been very measured on this issue of impeachment. she made a comment today that's raising eyebrows. take a listen. >> trump is goading us to impeach him. that's what he's doing every single day. he's just like taunting, taunting, taunting. because he knows that it would be very divisive. he just wants to solidify his base. that may have been too political -- but that's what it is. so we can't impeach him for political reasons and we can't not impeach him for political reasons.
we have to see where the facts take us. >> phillip, when you talk to your sources at the white house on capitol hill, do they think there's validity to what the house speaker is saying. hey, this is a way to spin up his base heading into 2020. >> it's an interesting point she made, the president has been raising the spector of impeachment. he warned that if democrats took control of the house, they would try to impeach him. sure enough, there's a belief in trump's orbit among his political advisers that this could help him, because it is such a divisive issue for the country. if you look at the more recent public opinion surveys, you see that a majority of americans do not support impeachment, they may think the president has done things wrong. there's not this clamoring out in in the country for the
majority of the country to impeach the president, and i think pelosi in those comments is really assessing the politics here. >> i think you're absolutely right. and jake, we heard from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell today. we're going to be chewing on his remarks throughout the hour, he essentially said it's time to move on. we have the mueller report, the attorney general has made his assessment, and now democrats are overplaying their hands. a political tactic in its own right, to what extent are democrats or democratic leadership concerned that they might be overplaying their hand here. >> it's a big dynamic, and phil just eluded to it, and he's absolutely right. pelosi understands the politics of it, which is if the house impeaches the president, the senate is not going to impeach the president, and it will look like democrats run the risk -- we don't know what's going to happen, it runs the risk of looking like democrats have overreached. i will say there are more a more democrats. pelosi says, we didn't get the
majority promising to impeach the president, we got the majority promising to deal with pocketbook issues and help people deal with problems they feel at home. a lot of democrats have told me, actually, when i go home, i'm hearing why aren't we impeaching the president, and i'm not hearing about pocketbook issues. i don't really know when that tips over, when that becomes the overwhelming dynamic, i don't think we're anywhere close, because pelosi as we know, has a very firm grip on her membership and her caucus. they really listen to her and have followed her lead now going on 12, 13 years. i don't know when that second dynamic, the impeachment dynamic overtakes the first. >> one of the figures that has come into focus throughout the entire process has been the attorney general who indicated he wants to look into what the president has called, what he said is spying into the trump campaign.
the fbi director sharply disagreed with that assessment. >> agents conduct investigations against alleged mobsters, suspected terrorists, other criminals, do you believe that they're engaging in spying when they're following fbi investigative policies and procedures? >> well, that's not the term i would use. >> and at this time do you have any evidence that any illegal surveillance into the campaigns or individuals associated with the campaigns by the fbi occurred? >> i don't think i personally have any evidence of that sort. >> so how remarkable is this? you have the attorney general saying one thing, the fbi director saying another thing. what's the public to make of this? >> it's good news that the fbi hasn't joined team trump. it's still fulfilling its responsibility to be the nation's chief law enforcement and investigative organization. these were mueller investigators, they know trump's
dirty work, they have enjoined team barr, he's acting more like a partisan lawyer for the president, rather than the head of the justice department. >> well, this debate continues, gentlemen, thank you. stick around, we have a lot more to discuss many coming up, 2020 contender senator elizabeth warren says it's time to impeach president donald trump. i'll get reaction to that and more from another presidential candidate, colorado senator michael bennet. when he joins me live in just minutes. and later how the election of donald trump has changed how voters pick their president. are political king makers a thing of the past? akers a thing of the past? it's not just easy. it's having-a-walrus-in-goal easy! roooaaaar! it's a walrus! ridiculous! yes! nice save, big guy! good job duncan! way to go!
case closed. that's what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said about the mueller investigation today, as he called on democratic colleagues to "move on." what started as a speech urging bipartisanship turned into a barrage of criticism. >> seriousness is not what we've seen from the democratic party in recent days. what we've seen is a meltdown. an absolute meltdown. two years of exhaustive investigation and nothing to establish the fanciful conspiracy theory that democratic commissions and tv talking heads had treated like a forgone conclusion.
the special counsel's finding is clear, case closed. >> moments after delivering that speech, chuck schumer made it clear the democrats had no intention of letting their questions about the mueller investigati investigation. >> so our leader says let's move on, of course, he wants to move on, he wants to cover up, he wants to silence on one of the most serious issues we face. whether a foreign power can manipulate our elections, the well spring of our democracy. >> fireworks on the hill there. joining me now is kelly o o'donnell and jake sherman. kelly, i have to start with you, i know you've been working your sources throughout the day. what has the reaction been to what we heard. >> one of the things we saw play
out in an unusual way is how elizabeth warren, who is running for president has taken some of the things she said on the campaign trail, talking about impeachment, to take that message to the senate floor, which really ramps it up from the campaign trail to the more authoritative confines of the senate floor. and she read extensive excerpts of the mueller report as a way to rebutt mitch mcconnell in addition to chuck schumer's comments. notably in mitch mcconnell's presentation. also talked about russian interference. it's not only saying there's an ongoing threat from russia or actor in cyberspace and intention to influence the election. taking that seriously, but not really putting any pressure on
the president on that issue. even though the overall message was one of trying to -- as democrats would say, protect the president and protect attorney general william barr. democrats say, not so fast. >> i want to pick up on one of the points you make, which is about impeachment, the fact that you do have for some, growing calls now.
elizabeth warren case in point. are we going to hear more of this? >> case closed. no, i don't think so. i don't think so. but it's that same mentality that is not about doing the right -- getting results for the american people you it's who he is. and this had is a nonpartisan setting, but as a matter of observation, that's just not a fact, the case is not closed. >> nancy pelosi has been very measured in her comments about
impeachme impeachment. today she said i think the in president's goading us to impeach him. do you get the sense that the climate has changed at all? >> it's certainly at times ramped up, what the speaker understands is even if you could go through all the steps to bring about impeachment, it's a matter decided by the senate in terms of whether that action leads to the expulsion from office. boy we heard today from mitch mcconnell, no appetite for that in a republican lead senate. are democrats willing to expend the capital of their own majority and the opportunity to get some things done in terms of their own agenda, with an impeachment procession that is led by only one chamber. there are democrats and we saw
today elizabeth warren and others say, it's worth that cost, because they need to stand up for the constitution. their own oath of office. that debate goes on. when you see nancy pelosi, she's really been reflecting some of the incremental issues democrats face when they go down that path. >> incremental is really the key word there. jake, i want to play something that mcconnell had to say today. >> maybe stronger leadership would have left the kremlin with less involvement. instead, the previous administration sent the kremlin the signal they could get away with almost anything. >> the fact check to that, jake, in 2017 there was a meeting, hey, we have to tell the public
republicans resisted a meeting of that election interference. arguing, to warrant election is under attack would be to aide them. mitch mcconnell went further, voicing skepticism that the underlying intelligence supported the white house' claims. doesn't that undercut what we heard from mcconnell today? >> it does, for some people it might, is better to say. there's always going to be disputes about what was said in a closed meeting. to be clear, lindsey graham today said to chris rey, the fbi director. is russia still trying to interfere with our election? graham basically conceded there is more to be done to deter russia from interfering in the election. mcdonnell was representing the vast majority of senate
republicans. i think there is a sense from some senators to keep beating the drum of interference and do things legislatively, that would stop that in the future. >> very quickly, the fund-raising email, moments after making that? >> i think so. listen, the fund-raising numbers can cost a lot of money. people fund-raise all the time. it's an unseemly at times, both parties do it, it's a fact of washington. i guess that's kind of the way the cookie crumbles on capitol hill. >> both parties do it, that is for sure. >> appreciate the great conversation. >> thanks. >> well, the big question to impeach or not to impeach, that's one of the several questions i'll ask senator and 2020 presidential candidate michael bennet. that's when we come back. >> tech: at safelite autoglass, we know sooner or later... every chip will crack. this daughter was home visiting
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law is for congress to initiate impeachment proceedings. that's massachusetts senator and 2020 contender elizabeth warren calling for president trump's impeachment on the senate floor. joining me now, colorado democratic senator, thanks so much for being here. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to talk about your policies, i first want to get your reaction to your colleagues saying, on the senate floor that it is time to start impeachment proceedings. i know you have said it's too soon for that. has your calculation changed at all? >> no, and we should know this isn't just a conversation going on among the presidential candidates. this is a conversation the way it should be going on. the most important thing we can do for the american people is make sure they have an open and
fair process so that mueller can testify, so that we can see the unredacted report, and so that all of us can make a judgment in the senate whether we should convict and in the house, whether they should impeach. i think nancy pelosi is serious about following up on that, i think we should support her effort to do that, and i think the president clearly from the mueller report, it's clear that he's committed impeachable offenses, in his conspiracy to obstruct justice. we have a process that we should follow, and the house should start that process. slou. >> let me ask you about your policies. you said we need to level with the american people when it comes to medicare for all. why is it that you oppose a plan that you have the majority of people who say, they'd like to
see? >> i was asked the question yesterday, someone said that 70% of the american people supported it, if you look at the polling, when people know one of two things, it means 180 million people have to give up private insurance, the support for medicare for all drops to 35%. when they know you have increased taxes by more than any other time in in our country to support it, the number falls again into the low 30s, what i believe we should do is have a robust public option. it would allow every person in america to opt into a plan administered by medicare, if that's what they want. that's a better way to achieve universal coverage. >> your plan felts into the current system, adjusting it to the point you just made. some people say it's not the
seismic shift they want to see in the american health care system? >> i am for a seismic shift in the american health care system, but we need to do it carefully. what we've done in the past is by picking policies that are not popular with the american people, and they very hard for us to make progress. >> just to be clear, how specifically would it be a seismic shift? >> what i would say to the average voter is, we are spending twice as much as every other industrialized country in the world on health care. our families can't afford prescription drugs or health care, they're going bankrupt as eye result of the system that we have. we need to change that system. we need to bro foundly reduce the cost of that health care system. that's not something that on its face, either medicare for all or medicare x, my proposal does. it's something we have to do together so american people are
no longer strangled by the health care system. it's been too long since we made progress. >> i don't have to tell you this, but you are in a very crowded field you what is your path to the nomination? >> i'm glad the field is crowded. this is going to give us an opportunity to have a competition of ideas. a lot of these candidates i respect and i like. >> what differentiates you, senat senator? this is a historically more diverse field, more women than ever. why should voters choose you over all those other options? >> i think we need a candidate who is relentlessly focused on the issue of how we're going to raise incomes in this country. how are we go to change the fact that we've had no economic mobility for the 90% of americans.
i have proposals on four of those things that i think are doable and would make a massive difference in our ability to be able to have a middle class in this country once again and ensure that childhood poverty is reduced by at least 40%. >> senator -- >> i think it's critical for us to restore integrity in our government. i have a dink set of experiences than most of the candidates. i was a school superintendent for a large part of my life. a different perspective, a different approach, it's wonderful to have a diverse field, i'm happy to be part of it. >> senator michael bennet, i know we'll be talking to you a lot more along the way. we have a long process ahead of us. >> thanks for having me. thank you so much. >> a series of new polls bode very well for joe biden, he holds a commanding lead, new surveys by both the hill and
morning console. being the establishment candidate isn't what it used to be. traditional political king makers like the parties national committees and powerful insiders have lost their edge for 2020. as president trump proved in 2016, the old axiom, the party decides may no longer be true. joining me now, steve kornacki and jenna johnson. thanks to you for being here, appreciate it. >> of course. >> let me start with you, jenna. let me read a little more from axios, who writes, more money is coming from the person certificating at home on their laptop -- spending $10.
that really mounts up, so is this the new way to win, to have a buzzi campaign over a big campaign that's getting a lot of high dollar donors? >> we're going to have to wait and see. 2016 totally changed the calculus. super paces played a big huge role, pac money played a big huge role, now we're seeing that change. we're seeing candidates want to have grassroots support around them. even if there's quietly an establishment structure behind that grassroots, they want to be that person who goes viral, who inspires people, who gets people to invest in them, they want those small donors, they want that army of people to show up, we're going to have to wait and see are we going to see that trend continue into 2020? >> my colleague, craig melvin
interviewed pete buttigieg earlier today. >> we are very mindful that vaulting to number three is nice, but it doesn't win you the election. that really carries you through to the nomination. that's going to be our focus. we've established that this is not a flash in the pan. >> here you have someone who encapsulates a little bit of what we're talking about, so far. it's very early. do you see this as a wholesale change or are we getting ahead of ourselves? >> buttigieg is an interesting topic, it's been a bubble that's been inflated by a burst of media attention. >> he doesn't say no to an
interview like trump. >> and very demographically specific bubble. we've seen his appeal excuse heavily, white, college educated, self-described liberal. it hasn't expanded past that there's a new poll, buttigieg had about five straight weeks where he went up. you have you see biden moving past 40%. >> that's my question, former vice president biden here he is coming out strong out of the gate. >> when you look at the -- some of the ways that we think about democratic politics i think there's a tendency to think of the more ago differist, more publicly visible activist components, aoc, that sort of thing. what biden is showing you, when you look at his numbers. it's going to skew older, it's going to skew more moderate, somewhat liberal. folks who identify themselves that way.
get this, among black voters over 65, he's leading by 47 points among the younger -- there's an age divide there as well. there's a very large democratic party that's out there that doesn't make the headlines, doesn't define the party right now they're grav taillighting toward joe biden. >> it's certainly something to watch. thanks for a great conversation. and still ahead, the number of former prosecutors who sirenedsiren signed a letter arguing president trump would be charged with obstruction if he wasn't president? two of those former prosecutors will join me next. at 3:00 p.m., ali velshi is going to talk to stephen moore, moore with drew from consideration for a spot on the federal reserve board. that's at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. r?
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result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice. joining me now to discuss this, a senior counsel in the investigation into bill clinton, and back with me, georgetown law professor, and former federal prosecutor, both men have signed this statement, i'm going to use last names since we have two pauls. i want to start with you, you are a republican. you signed on to this statement why? >> well, i guess because it's the right thing to do. my goal was two fold i think. first as a matter of public policy, i thought it was important to try to cut through all the summaries and all the obscurity that had riz hn that there was no obstruction. i thought that was wrong. if the american people are going to judge the fitness of the president they ought to have an
idea what prosecutors who work on such cases think about. i thought the virtue was intellectual honesty. i said much the same thing about president bill clinton 20 years ago, i stand by those conclusions from then in i want to be honest with myself i have to say the same thing about president trump. >> why did you sign this, and what do you hope to if gain here? a sitting president cannot be indicted. >> we have seen this effort by the president and the attorney general to mislead and stand the mueller report. i'm proud to stand with 600 other members to say the american people should focus on facts. and the facts are, if you look at the mueller report, there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the president is a felon. he committed serious acts of obstruction of justice. if his name was kwame or pedro, he would be on his way to jail.
>> let me push you a little bit on this, because the attorney general says the exact opposite. look, the president has the authority to hire and fire whoever he wants. and guess what, he never fired mueller, he didn't fire sessions until after the 2018 midterm elections. so does he have a point that it doesn't necessarily rise to the criminal level when it comes to obstruction? why do you disagree there? >> two answers to that, first, with respect to the president's authority to hire and fire who he wants, that goes without saying. he doesn't have the right to do that for a corrupt motive. he has the right to pardon someone, but not to take a million dollar bribe to pardon someone. he doesn't have the ability to create false entries and lie about what he's done to the american public or congress. that's the first part. the second part, about the lack of success, the law is abundantly clear that you don't
have to succeed in order to obstruct justice. an endeavor to obstruct justice, an attempt to obstruct justice, when bill clinton tried to convince betty curry about his connections to monica lewinsky, that was obstruction, even though betty curry didn't lie about it. you. >> heard the example paul just gave, what would your counter argument be he's looked at the evidence too, and doesn't see in addition that represents a crime. there doesn't need to be an action that actually has a reaction in order for there to be a criminal intent. >> i would ask the attorney general to look at the thugs he's prosecuted and organized crime families or drug cartels, if you look at some of the evidence in the mueller report, trump isn't a lot different. think about the witness intimidati intimidation, he threatened michael cohen's family, he dangled a pardon in front of
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all time high. what we also know is the president looks at what 401ks are doing. people's retirements and investment plans. this is a president that follows it closely now. we saw him briefly at that be best ceremony with the first lady in the rose garden earlier. we'll see if they open up the meeting today with republican senators. it doesn't look like it. but there is an opportunity for these republican senators to come out and give us an update on immigration and potentially what's happening with the trade talks. because when you look at a lot of the headlines that are driving the markets, they are negative headlines, tapping with a professional trade deal or lack thereof with china. kristen. >> 21 of the aspects of this trade battle that is so fascinating. you have members of the own party like senator chuck grassley who will be at the meeting there concerned with farmers, in iowa, in other parts of the country. so this could potentially be tricky for the president, right? because they're concerned about
this part of his policy, despite the fact the policy is showing strength right now, hans. >> reporter: layered on to that are concerns about the number of bankruptcies you are having, especially with dairy factories and farms in the upper mid-west. one quick note from the economy, there is a county that supported hillary and the counties that supported trump are having quite a bit of resurgence, the economy is strong in those counties, some is manufacturing, some has to do with a broader economic growth. you saw at this time last quarter coming in at 3.2%. again, the president is someone who talks about sentiment. he talks having a feel for the markets, to mix metaphors with tiger woods, the chairman he has no putter, no feel for the market. the president is very attuned to what's happening out there in the markets. it's a blood bath. >> hans, very quickly before ilight you go, the focus on this meeting on immigration, we
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and one more thing before we go, two reuters journalists jailed for their reporting on a ma massive crack down on myanmar's people. at the time they were reporting on the mass murder of rohingya muslims at the hands of myanmar security sources. shortly after leaving jail, it was clear these journalists will not let their detention deter them from doing their jobs. >> i want to say i'm really happy to see my family. i can't wait to go go to my
family. >> they were teen in "time's person of the year dedicated to jailed or slain journalists around the world. according to committee to protect journalists, more than 250 journalists were jailed last year. turkey remains the worst, the committee says it's seen an uptick in egypt and saudi arabia. they are charged with what's called false news. they say the increase comes quote amid heightened red rick of fake news of which u.s. president donald trump is the leading voice. again that is a quote from the committee to protect journalists. we are so glad that they are freed. >> that wraps up things for this hour. we have a big hour. you have a big interview. >> we were together last week at the white house correspondent dinner. it honors freedom of speech, while it is under attack in the united states, it's always important to remember, you pointed, turkey, egypt, saudi arabia and these two burm ease
journalists who spent almost two years in jail for just reporting. >> journalists around the world being jailed, doing their job. >> it's important. they are the line between people and what's actually going on and the truth. i got stephen moore coming up, nominated to the federal reserve board, withdrew his nomination. steve is a guy, financial tournalists have been learning things for years. >> for days, we wondered if he was going to hang out. it turned out to be so. we will watch with great interest. ali, good to see you. thanks. a potential escalation of the ongoing trade war between the united states and china. the world's two largest economies is taking a toll on wall street. take a look at the big board. we are down 2.1%. we're not at session lows. we were there two minutes ago. you can see this market is struggling the last couple of hours. it goes down,