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>> i just listened to this conversation about maternal mortality, it's another issue in america where so many of us take something for granted that we have the care we need, access to the care we need and there are a lot of people in this country who don't. >> we have mother's day coming up. thank our mothers. >> thank you, mom. love you. >> and thank you. >> thank you, mom, i love you. i will see her tomorrow. >> definitely will. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. >> thanks, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle. a lot to cover starting with our extraordinary team of nbc reporters here with brand-new information on the most important stories of the day you need to know. we will start with a republican-led committee issuing a subpoena to donald trump jr. this on the same day the house judiciary committee votes to hold attorney general bill barr in contempt of court. how about an unfriend? one of facebook's co-founders calls on the government to hold
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zuckerberg himself accountable for breaking up the tech giant, exclusively to nbc news. >> do you think facebook is dangerous? >> i do. i think facebook has become too big, too powerful. and breaking news, north korea fires two more short-range ballistic missiles, their second high-profile launch in less than a week. let's get right to our kirsten simmons monitoring from london. what are you hearing about this? >> it always gets america's attention when you wake up to a launch like this. it was launched from a location close to the capital pyongyang and launched close to the east according to south korean defense officials, two rounds of suspected short-range missiles. one at around 3:29 a.m. eastern and the second 20 minutes later, each traveling 260 miles and 170
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miles respectively. that gives you a picture that these appear to be short range, not the kind of threatening intercontinental ballistic missile that were done back in 2017. perhaps it's notable the u.s. special envoy of north korea has been in seoul to meet with south korean officials. he's been in the regime in japan, so perhaps the timing is interesting from that perspective because people are viewing this step as really trying to get washington's attention, trying to get president trump's attention, provocation if you like, not the kind of threat, again, we were very concerned with back in 2017. the issue s., i guess, is wheth this escalates from here if negotiations continue to stall. >> thank you, keir simmons. now a new twist on the clash between the trump administration and congress. a source tells nbc donald trump jr. has been subpoenaed by the
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republican-led senate intelligence committee to revisit the testimony he gave on the moscow tower project, and that trump tower meeting that took place back in 2016. ken dilanian covers intelligence and national security for us. ken, this is amazing to me, white house acting chief of staff mick mulvaney last night said he had no heads up on this. what do we know about it? >> i'm not sure what to make on this because donald trump jr. knew this was coming. he was in negotiations with the committee and therefore stands to reason his father knew. will he comply is the big question? and my sources are telling me if he doesn't comply, he may be held in contempt of congress. for that reason many people i talk to believe he will ultimately appear and assert his fifth amendment right and decline to answer questions. and the reason for that, stephanie, is there are dramatic contradictions between his foreign testimony previously before the senate judiciary committee and sworn accounts of others, particularly michael cohen and rick gates, as explained in the mueller report.
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both on the trump tower moscow project and trump tower meeting in new york. the trump tower moscow issue is he told the committee he was peripherally aware -- i will read it exactly. question, did you have any involvement in this potential deal in n moscow? like i said, i was per riffably aware of it but most of my knowledge has been gained since hearding abo hearing about it the last couple of weeks. and he said he briefed his father ten times. this wasn't enough for robert mueller to charge him with perjury but something senators want to ask him about. secondly, there's also a contradiction about who he informed about the trump tower moscow meeting, the offer of dirt from the russians. he said he didn't really tell jared kushner or paul manafort what the meeting was about and didn't tell his father at all. michael cohen swore under oath he represented donald trump jr.
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telling his father about that meeting. big contradiction there. senators want to explore this. if donald trump doesn't respond to the subpoena, he may well be held in contempt of congress. >> as you said, robert mueller didn't charge him. does that mean he can't be charged going forward, or he can, and if so by whom? >> my sources tell me it's very possible there will be a criminal referral from the senate to a prosecutor over this case. that means another prosecutor will take a fresh look at it. it could be u.s. attorney in washington, d.c. so donald trump jr.'s absolutely not out of the woods yet. he's in criminal jeopardy and that's probably why you will not see him answering questions underoath before the senate any time soon. >> ken thank you very much. let's head to capitol hill and the white house where we're following several new developments in the explosive -- i don't know a better way to say it -- explosive battle over the unredacted mueller report. first, hans nichols at the white house.
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now the president is asserting executive privilege over the report, a report the president said totally exonerated him. what's their argument? >> it's a protected assertion of executive privilege. what you see from the white house is they're trying to preserve, stephanie, their ability to make this case down the line. it's interesting to me in the last 24 hours there were opportunities for the president to weigh in on this. you remember yesterday ended up closing an event here at the white house. when the president was at is that rally yesterday in florida, did he not mention contempt or executive privilege. he had his usual shots at mueller. it could be an indication they want to keep this legally clean. from the department of justice, their argument is you can't break the law. and william barr were to make this all available, he would be violating certain provisions, certain codes. and then from the white house though, at least from sarah huckabee sanders, there's this idea basically we're fighting about something much bigger. this isn't just about william barr or executive privilege, this is about a constitutional
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confrontation that's going to be coming and the white house clearly wants to make this political, where you see the legal argument coming from the department of justice. stefr? >> let's bring in kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. kelly, the house judiciary voting yesterday to hold attorney general william barr in contempt. now what happens? >> it's important to know this is just step one, and it's a significant one and certainly one that steps a course for us to watch over the days and weeks to come. the committee makes this determination and then it's up to the entire house. today we will have a chance to speak with house speaker nancy pelosi when she does her weekly news conference to get an idea from her about when the full house would vote on contempt. so this is step one, more to come. but we already see the direction this is going with democrats dominant in the house having control, presuming all democrats would vote along with this, presuming republicans won't. there would be enough votes to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress. there are a couple of variations to this.
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there's civil contempt, criminal contempt and something called inherent contempt where they would not work outside of congress. they would use their own constitutional powers use the sergeant in arms to go and detain the attorney general. we believe this would be in the realm of civil attempt, which means lawsuits to come. that's the expectations we have at this point. jerry nadler, house chairman of judiciary and a democrat from new york, gave us a sense of where he's add with all of this. he was not taking a victory lap. he was really trying to set a very grim tone about where we are. >> we've talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis, and we are now in it. we are now in a constitutional crisis. now is the time of testing whether we can keep a republic or whether this republic is destined to change into a different or tyrannical form of government as other republics have. >> so the democrats have made their case. we will see what the courts do.
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we will see the timing of the vote. those will be all of the kinds of developments we will be following today. >> thank you very much, hans and kelly. yesterday former attorney general jeff sessions said this is a squabble. it doesn't feel like a squabble. let's go to courtney kube with new reporting on escalating tensions between the u.s. and iran. give us an update. >> we're getting a better sense what exactly the intelligence was that the u.s. military and u.s. government saw that caused them to decide to surge the military forces towards the central command region last weekend. what that is the u.s. now has indications from inside iran there has been a direction that some of these iranian proxy forces, these groups that are backed by iran, that they have indicated to them that they can activate and that they can actually start now to go after u.s. military forces and u.s. assets in the region. so that explains, this is just one piece of what we're
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continually told is, multiple threat streams that the u.s. started tracking late last week and over the weekend to u.s. forces in that region. of course, it culminated with the announcement late sunday night about ambassador john bolton, national security adviser, that the u.s. was going to surge the u.s. abraham lincoln carrier strike group, accelerate their deployment into the central command region along with move several bombers into the area, really as a show of force to iran to prove to them if in fact they strike against any u.s. forces or assets in the central command area in the u.s. would meet them with force. >> courtney, thank you very much. let's go to ron mott in highland ranch, colorado. we are hearing if the father of the heroic student who was killed in this week's school shooting. ron, the father of kendrick castillo, the 18-year-old young man who is a hero, this young man lunged at one of the shooters, which gave some of his classmates those moments, those
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precious moments they needed to save themselves. what is his father saying now? >> well, good morning, first of all, steph. john scastillo told nbc news th conversations he had with his son about the possibility of a school shooting taking place at his school, he told his son you don't have to be a hero. that's in fact what he's being called this morning because of what he did on that classroom. i spoke to one of kendrick's 16-year-old former classmates who said yesterday, listen, i thought he was simply the vest best among us. here's more of what john castillo had to say about his now fallen son. >> kendrick was a selfless individual and he cared about people. and that's the time in his life, he paid the price for everyone, and thank god for that. >> we should also note there
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were a couple of vigils yesterday. at one vigil some of the students got up and walked out in protest. they were chanting kendrick's name because they thought some of the politicians who had taken to the microphones had made the event more political than these students ever wanted. they were eventually coaxed back in. they had their chance at the microphones and did honor kendrick's life and their classmates injured in that shooting on tuesday, eight classmates who are recovering from injuries. steph? >> what's the latest on the investigation and the suspects? >> we saw both of them in court yesterday. they will both be back in court tomorrow afternoon. the district attorney here says he plans to file formal charges against both of them tomorrow afternoon. those charges could, of course, include murder and many other counts. the real question now going forward as far as the juvenile is whether the d.a. will charge that suspect in adult court. a public defender yesterday fought unsuccessfully to have that case transferred to the adu adult division. we will see what happens
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tomorrow. >> thank you very much, nbc's ron mott. very, very terrible story. coming up -- a lot of people wondering how evangelical can continue to back the president. we will tell you what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and trump accomplished that seemed to validate the support of all of those conservatives. but next, the president throwing around executive privilege to protect don mcghan but where the president may not be able to use that. and before we go, the world is still talking about "the new york times" report on trumps taxes. and you knew seth meyers would dig in. >> the stock market suffered its worst day in four months yesterday due to increased economic tension with china and threats of a trade war. don't worry, i know what i'm doing, said the guy who lost $1.2 billion. how do you lose a billion dollars? did you go to vegas and put it all on blue?
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we can finally end this groundhog day spectacle, stop endlessly relitigating a 2 1/2-year-old election result and move forward for the american people. and the special counsel's finding is clear, case closed. case closed. >> you heard him there. mitch mcconnell says case
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closed. it's time to move on. but one of his own republican colleagues, the chairman of the senate intel committee, richard burr, says not so fast of the his company subpoena of donald trump jr. stands out because it comes from a republican-led senate panel. but it's just one of a half a dozen subpoenas issued to this administration from four different committees. the white house has agreed to comply with none of them. eli stoeckel, white house reporter for "l.a. times," the president and ceo of the national constitution center and profession at at george washington school of law. eli, here's the issue, the white house has painted all of these subpoenas as part of the democratic witch-hunt and the -- it's all a grand hoax. but in this case, this is a senate committee led by a republican and even the house intell committee subpoena for the mueller report, that was signed off by adam schiff, yes, democrat, and republican evan
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nunez. do these facts change the white house's narrative or defense? >> they don't change the plan, which is continue to stonewall and say no to these requests and say look, mueller couldn't find anything and took two years, this is over with, move on. that will be their plan. the president is really eager to end these investigations, to snuff them out so to speak. i think their actions doing so are really just adding more fuel to the investigations. you heard speaker pelosi talking about he's almost getting us into continuing these investigations and pushing us towards impeachment. i think that's maybe the net effect of some of this when they're refusing subpoenas and so forth. but clearly on the republican side, there's a lot of frustration because you hear mitch mcconnell say case closed. and senator bur is not on the same script. and, yes, the subpoena was issued weeks before mcconnell took to the floor. this was in the works for a while. we're just hearing about it now.
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but there is an exactation at the white house and from other republicans expressing frustration that politics should be thicker than everything else, should be thicker than your oath to uphold the constitution and preserve the separation of powers. that tells you a lot about the moment that we're in, the expressions of frustration from people around don jr. and inside the white house privately, they're frustrated at the fact that this is coming from a committee led by a republican. that tells you a lot. >> you think richard burr got any phone calls or text messages last night? up until now the president continues to use executive privilege to keep the mueller report out of others' hands. but in this case, this is donald trump jr. he can't protect donald trump jr. he's not an elected official. he doesn't work inside the white house. he's not a lawyer and not the sitting president. >> that's absolutely right. executive privilege only covers executive deliberations and only about matters involving foreign
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policy or sensitive executive functions. it does not even cover grand jury secrecy, which is what most redactions in the mueller report involved. it certainly doesn't cover any of the president's business dealings before he became president, and, therefore, executive privilege cannot prevent donald trump from testifying. more broadly, congress is thinking of bundling all of the contempt citations against officials who are refusing to testify, donald trump jr., william barr, don mcgahn, sending all of those to a district court in one package and trying to get a contempt finding that could later become the basis of a possible impeachment finding. so that's absolutely right self-impeachment as the speaker said is referring to articles of impeachment against president nixon for defying congressional subpoenas and whether or not these subpoenas were enforced in court, they may ends up in the impeachment proceeding itself. >> the buzz from daytoonald tru
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jr.'s camp is this is a pr stunt. and richard burr, we should remind our audience he's been a republican a whole heck of a lot longer than the president himself has. what's the rational, pr stunt for whom? >> right. the white house believes on the politics of this, the american public doesn't want impeachment and ready to move on. they're saying this is a pr stunt done by politics even though they believe the politics on this are kinds of a wash and both sides are firmly entrenched. obviously if there's nothing to hide and you just go do the interview, you're not claiming executive privilege, you just put everything out there and that is the opposite of what this white house is doing right now. >> jerry nadler said this is a constitutional crisis. yesterday i saw down with chris christie and former attorney general jeff sessions. they said no, not yet, this is just something that has to work its way through the court system. what's your take? >> i put a pretty high bar for constitutional crisis. founding, civil war,
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constitutional crisis. when there's blood in the streets and violence, that's constitutional crisis. right now we are seeing serious constitutional conflict between branches that could lead as in the watergate era or andrew johnson after the civil war to possible contempt citations or impeachment. but for crisis, i would spay you have to send out the troops. so we're not there yet but more serious conflict between the branches then we have seen since perhaps the nixon era. >> jeff, eli, thunkank you very much. and much more on donald trump jr.'s subpoena with the intel comety senator mark warner. he will be joining andrea mitchell at noon eastern. but up here, what mitch mcconnell did for the third time that had never been do before. why? to give president trump exactly what he wants. i will explain what is that is. about but we go, a new cdc
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is breaking tradition this week by moving forward on the federal court nomination of judge joseph bianco of new york. despite the objection of both of his home state senators. yes, they're both democrats, but this is the only -- the third time it's happened in the 230-year history of the senate, with the other two instances happening under mitch mcconnell and mitch mcconnell. joining me democratic strategist and former white house deputy assistant under president clinton, matt fennig. matt, bianco is trump's 38th confirmed circumstance court judge. that means one in sever six seat on the sishlcircuit court is fi by a trump nominee. if you compare that to the past two administrations, this is a clear success for his
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supporters. how do democrats handle this on the trail? >> it shows how important this election is. in addition to replacing democrats, regardless, the worst president in american history, the future of the courts for decades, for my kids' life times, is being determined now. one of the supreme court vacancies trump was able to fill is filled because mitch mcconnell pulled all of the shenanigans he did after the death of justice scalia. legally but in a unpress departmentsed way like you were just saying about what he's doing now. so what we are seeing is continued erosion of norms in congress that has been driven by the erosion of norms in the white house. and it's really bad and really dangerous. >> matt doesn't realize anyone who said unprecedented on this show has to pay me $200. it was your first offense. we will let it side. here's the thing, according toen
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r an exit poll 27% said it was the most important factor in their vote for president. so everything you are saying is true, we are seeing absolutely unethical behavior. but this, what the president delivered to his voters, could this not be the number one feather in the election in his cap tour? >> it could. >> how can you balance those two things? >> when you're talking to the core, you're talking to your base and the other base. voters don't normally vote on the court but economic issues. i believe trump won in 2016 when you put out a list of people for the u.s. supreme court because it shored up the religious right and people who focus mostly on abortions and supreme court nominees. when our candidates talk about the court, they are talk base as well. we have to do it but mostly what we have to do is talk about
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what's going on in their lives economically. >> i want to say talking about norms, in the wake of north korea's launch this morning and ongoing tensions between iran and venezuela, i spoke to former national security adviser susan rice yesterday. specifically on foreign policy and how the president was handling it across the globe and getting re-elected. take a look. >> what has undergirded american foreign policy for years is a degree of constancy. we played typically within the 40-yard line, regardless democrat or republican, we believed in our alliances. the president of the united states told the truth. we kept our promises for the most part. and we aimed to do things that were designed in a clear-cut way to advance the national interest. and all of those things now are being questioned, coddling our adversaries, undermining our allies, calling into question
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the core relationships that have became the foundation of our leadership and strength. something american voters need to take very seriously into account, the nature of our leadership and what it says to the world and what it will do to our standing internationally and our ability to secure our interests if we have another four years of donald trump. >> do you think voters are taking it seriously? every administration has their agenda but if you're flip-flopping on treaties, on international agreements every four years, what does that do to our long-standing allies? >> i think there's two different questions there. susan rice is clearly right, everything she says is right about how awful this president has been on foreign policy matters and national security. the question though is will that will be a major issue for voters. i think there are ways to make it resonate and one of them is his chaos around trade, which is really hurting farmers, it's hurting people in the industrial
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midwest and there are ways to bring this home to people who don't seem as remote as talking about international alliances, which is not a voting issue. >> how? the president would say i'm talking on china, that's a campaign promise. >> he would. but there will be a whom bunch of farmers you can put in 30-second spots and said look, i voted for this guy but he's destroying our way of life on american farms because soybean prices have collapsed because of this war with china. it's crazy. >> just ask the world bank. their top economist put out a piece that it's blue collar workers and farmers getting hurt the most thus far. matt, thank you very much. next, he founded facebook with mark zuckerberg and now chris hughes said it's time to break it up, zuckerberg has too much power. we will be hearing from him next in an nbc exclusive. but, next, the market, a wild week. right now down almost 200 and
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it's my favorite part of the show, "money, power, politics." this morning a stunning call from one of the co-founders of facebook who said the social media giant is dangerous and needs to be broken up. no, i'm not talking about elizabeth warren. i'm talking chris hughes, an actual co-founder of the company. nbc's kate snow joins me now. kate, this is incredible. this is the guy who co-founded facebook. >> exactly. >> mark zuckerberg has controlling shares in this company. >> yes, they were roommates in harvard. a lot of people criticizing facebook, it's trendy, but this is a founder calling it to be broken part. chris hughes sat down with me on an interview to air tonight. chris hughes was a cofounder and said zuckerberg's influence in the world is staggering and the government must hold facebook and zuckerberg accountable. do you think facebook is thank
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sflus. >> dangerous? >> i do. >> facebook founder chris hughes talking about the company he helped build -- >> i think people are speaking out because the company has become too big, too powerful. >> reporter: as depicted in "the social network" hughes was a student at harvard when met zuckerberg, a freshman, and shared a dorm with him. zuckerberg was user number four, hughes was five. he developed the news feed made on facebook, made half a billion dollars, left facebook in 2007 and sold his shares five years later. this morning in an escaping op-ed in "the new york times," hughes said facebook, worth half a trillion dollars, is a monopoly that should be stopped. facebook should be separated into different companies. he said the government should undo acquisitions of whatsapp and instagram and ban them from buying other industries for
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years. he wants another agency empowered by congress to legislate facebook and protect user privacy. some of the strongest language in the op-ed he saves for zuckerberg. mark's power is unprecedented and un-american, he writes, questioning his unilateral control over speech. there's no precedent for his ability to monitor, organize or even sensor the conversations of 2 billion people. >> he is extremely powerful because he has no loss, becaubo no regulatory agency. >> the federal aviation regulatory is investigating facebook. there's a fine, as you know, $5 billion -- >> hughes said a parking time. >> yes, will not even dent because of their profits and worth. we have reached out to facebook and have not heard back yet. >> for chris hughes to say he doesn't listen to anyone, he
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doesn't have good people around him, that's something i might say but not the co-founder. >> and by the way, there's more you have not heard about zuckerberg we will have on "nightly news" tonight that he says about him. but he says, look, we are friends, we are friends. he considers him a friend. they last saw each other two years ago. we were hanging out with our families and kids. he said look, i'm not sure after coming forward today we will be friends anymore. he realizes he's jeopardizing his friendship but he said he felt he had been thinking about this for months and working on the op-ed in "the new york times" for months and fept after cambridge alit cambridge last year, he to come forward. >> does he feel he has anything to gain coming forward? >> that's a good question. not that i know of. i asked him if he had political ambitions because he sounded a bit like what a candidate like elizabeth warren might say or ted cruz has said some of these things, but he said he has no
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political ambitions. >> kate snow, i'm definitely going to watch this interview tonight on the "nightly news" with lester holt. when there's an issue and elizabeth warren and ted cruz are on the same size, it's worth paying attention to. up next -- eating our education. ly say that one more time. eating or education. it's a choice many students across the country are facing every day. with nearly half stating they routinely skip meals. why? because the cost of college has gotten so high. we will speak to someone who knows what it's like to make hard choices to get to where you want to be. it's probably gonna be dinner and drinks. discover. hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social security number on the dark web. good, cuz i'm a little worried about my information getting out. oh, why's that? [bird speaking] my social security number is...
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before the latest headlines about china and trade. but now i must talk about this. this story is stunning. the numbers jaw-dropping. nearly half of all college students are going hungry. a must study from temple university finds 45% of students from more than 100 colleges and universities were food insecure in the last month. dr. sarah bolderic-rad is a professor at temple and founded the center that conducted this study. doctor, this is amazing to me. so many students across the country are graduating this week. help me understand why so many are hungry as they receive their diplomas? we knew, we went to college, you went to college, we didn't have a lot of money, we had ramon noodles. but this isn't about ramon noodles. this is about skipping meals. >> right, this is about having
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reliable access to affordable food. that could leave you hungry but also malnourished. this is why for one of the longest times we talked about the freshman 15. the fact is when you don't have healthy food to eat and cannot eat regularly, sometimes you actually gain weight. the problem is this inhints their chance of doing well in school and trafrpgly reduces the odds they will ever graduate. >> we are seeing more students actually drop out of school because they need to work, because they can't afford to live. how do we focus on preventing it? what do we do? >> we need to do a lot more to take seriously those living expenses. many people want to call them noneducational expenses but if you don't have a safe place to sleep, you're not going to be awake in the classroom to learn. for many, many years now we had reduced the number of dollars available to each student in terms of financial aid to offset the crisis at college. and we've done so at a home when college is increasingly not
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optional. some education after high school, whether you want to become a veterinary technician or a dental hygienist, even those vocational occupations require education. the fact is tuition is up but rent is also up and it costs money to pay bills. woe have we have to do more to invest to students get degrees. >> is the answer to find way to lower the cost of college? you have candidates like elizabeth warren who want to forgive student debt but that will not solve anything for kids in college now or going next year. >> i do have to say the forgiving of debt to me, the function of that, is to acknowledge we've done some real work here and don't want to hurt them in the rest of their life's trajectories or reduce their chances of sending their even children to college because three have this debt. but you're right, we have to do something preventive. that's why i do support her efforts to make college what we call free. like everything else that's free
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in life, we certainly don't get it for free. we pay for it with our taxes. but we do so because the return is so high. when a person gets a college degree, they pay themselves. they help make a healthier economy. and frankly, they're healthier, which draws less on supportive services. so i do think that we're going to have to rethink this and consider doing for college what we did for high school in the 20th century, making it possible for everyone, whether they're 29 or whether they're 17, to be able to go to school. >> all right. thank you so much. i want to talk more about how to make it possible for great young people to succeed. i want to bring someone whose story is not so different from so many of those college students. daniela pierre-bravo's story serves as a guide for women. the authors are my colleagues,
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mi mi mika and daniela. tell us your story. >> well, i'm from chile. my story started by getting on an 18-hour bus ride, nine stops through the night, just so i could have a chance at one unpaid internship. at the time, i was undocumented. i'm a daca recipient now. i was sort of in the mode of preparation. i didn't have parents who were going to show me the ropes pip didn't have professional mentors. it was really up to me to make something of myself and kind of try to figure it out as i went. that's really what the book is all about. >> she actually lied on all of her job applications. she lived in lima, ohio. she didn't want that to deter from getting a job in new york city. she said she lived in new york city. she got a call from p. diddy entertainment and they're like, can you be here tomorrow for the interview? she was like, sure, then took
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buses through the night, washed up at port authority, which right there -- stop right there. that's saying a lot in itself. went to the interview and nailed it. and then worked for two years, four jobs trying to make up for the lack of pay in that opportunity. started out at nbc and worked for two years with us. a lot of young people have to start and restart. you've got to do several jobs at once. there's a lot of conflicting messages. and daniela navigated through all of that. >> that's really important. what stood out to me in the book is the importance of being resourceful and a self-starter. because right now we're telling young people, it's all about finding a sponsor and a mentor. it's a risky thing to tell people to do just that because it's though they're just waiting for a lifeline. you didn't wait. you found it yourself. >> right. that's it. >> well, what i think really causes inertia in young people is finding this perfect fit, this perfect job starting out.
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that will come. i think a lot of it has to do with just getting your foot in the door, being patient about the opportunities to sort of blossom from there, but really working hard at one thing and understand that an opportunity will eventually follow. >> you did not -- you were not chosen from obscurity. mika, daniela was a great talent and that's how you found her. >> yeah, i noticed her. she actually brought me coffee and ran scripts. she did it with such ruthless efficiency. she had a nickname, adderall, because she's so intense and fast, and her eye contact was there. it was the hungry eye, that kind of really i'm going to take everything i'm doing seriously. she made her success. it was on her to get it all right every step of the way. by the way, even when she was taking that bus and cleaning up at port authority and walking into p. diddy entertainment from lima, ohio, going, i've got to make it look like i should be here.
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>> but you talk about something in the book i don't know how to solve. advocating for yourself when it comes to pay. companies don't -- i had a young woman who works very close to me recently ask, can you help me understand what my peers get paid? here's the thing. i have access to lots of information. i had absolutely no idea, and i don't even know how i could help her do that. >> and it's hard to get it right on the very first job. some of my first jobs -- >> or the tenth job. >> her job had no pay, but she took it because she wanted to get in the door. so it's then how you navigate that. that's why this book is so important. the data shows that young women start out getting paid less than their male counterparts at the very beginning, and then they never catch up. and that's why we wrote this book, because you want to start that first, second, or third opportunity has to turn the corner for you in terms of pay. but at the same time, you have to be scrappy. you have to be eager. you have to work all hours. you have to do all those things. >> but employers need to share more information, don't they? >> they do, they do, but what i
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do in "know your value," and thank you for contributing all your great advice, but we talk about the part of the equation we can control. on our shows, we can talk about what companies should do and try and look at change makers, but for women, we've got to control our -- we've got to own our space and figure out how to get there. she did, and opportunities came to her because she just kept banging down doors. >> you started by being excellent. >> she was. and is. >> thank you, both, so much. earn it. the book is geared for young women starting their careers, but i think it's great for everyone. don't wait for someone to rescue you. be excellent, be scrappy, be resourceful. doors are going to open because they need to because you're awesome. mika, daniela, congratulations. this book is special. coming up, there's so much going on right now. in the next hour, congressman jimmy gomez, who sits on the
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here in washington today. negotiations are getting under way tomorrow at the end of bids -- business when president trump is set to impose $200 billion worth of new tariffs. the markets are hoping that gets resolve the before then. thank you for watching this hour. check out my good news rules on instagram. see me later at 1:00 p.m. with ali velshi. now i hand you off to the one and only miss halle jackson. >> another big day of big developments in washington. three top democrats now say the country is in a constitutional crisis after pushback from the president on their investigations. >> we are now in it. we are now in a constitutional crisis. >> do you agree with congressman nadler that we're in a constitutional crisis? >> we are, we are. >> okay, but does the house speaker agree? that'll be the question for nancy pelosi when she steps up to that podium on the left side of your screen there, and it happens as the president is not just digging in

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