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out. so nice to have you both onset. that does it for us. right now we have much more news with craig melvin picking it up in new york. >> good to see you. craig melvin here, msnbc headquarters in new york city. more on that big storm that is brewing on capitol hill this morning, in an unprecedented move, a republican-led committee issues a subpoena to the president's son, donald trump jr., it has sparked outrage among other republicans. the question now, will he show up to testify? >> also some breaking new, for example conducting another weapons test overnight, second launch in a week. it gives us a glimpse in tto thr weapons systems. and a major issue that affects millions of americans and how much we pay for medical treatment. president trump expected to talk about an idea both parties seem to agree with to keep people from being shocked by their medical bills. more on that a little later.
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but first the subpoena war hitting home for president trump. a short time ago the democratic head of the senate intelligence committee spoke for the first time since the revelation that his committee issued a subpoena for donald trump jr. republicans unhappy with the subpoena. and with the republican head of that committee senator richard burr, and his counter part marc warren careful with his words about the subpoena. not so much though on his opinion of the guilt of president trump. >> whether it is trying to sometime any tstymy the congressional investigati investigation -- >> let us begin with our nbc reporters. kelly o'donnell on capitol hill, hans nichols at the white house. the with me, harry litman. mr. nichols, we'll start with
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you. this all seemed to catch the white house a bit off guard. >> it did. and this is something that the white house would like to get a head's up on precisely so they can answer questions about what their response will be. now, they would point out that he is a private family member, they wouldn't necessarily go through the white house, but listen to what we heard from mick mulvaney last night, listen to how he said it was kind of bad etiquette. >> the fact that the president's son got a subpoena from a republican-led committee, i have no difficulty with the bipartisan, but to subpoena the president's son and not get a head's up was let's say bad form. >> now, for the white house, this is an indication that congress will continue to investigate him, it won't just be the house committees or house judiciary. there is the senate as well controlled by republicans. and it is also an indication that committees on both sides of capitol hill take their investigative purpose, their investigative mandate, seriously. looking forward to what the president wants for on do the rest of his term, there are so
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many issues that he will need congressional support on. leave aside all the subpoena talk. they are talking about $2 trillion infrastructure spending. later in the day they will talk medical reform. there is going to be a big push to pharmaceutical reform as well. on all that you need the cooperation of capitol hill and the president needs to have better xhcommunication with capitol hill. >> and kelly, do we know when the subpoena was issued, whether it was before or after senator mcconnell declared case closed in that senate speech? >> the committee has not given us those details. perhaps donald trump jr.'s attorney could provide some of that information. there is a disagreement among republicans in authority here in terms of the leadership. some saying that this could be an attempt to try to close the investigation that the intelligence committee has been running in the senate for a couple of years, that this is sort of a final act in their work. others have been very frustrated and up set by this move which require the republican
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chairman's agreement. and of course part of it is about discrepancies that they perceive to be needing to be addressed by donald trump orr w jr. who had provided other testimony and then at the conclusion of the mueller report, additional facts about the trump tower meeting or the moscow project that they want to get clarification on. but the timing is something that the committee has been very quiet about as they do most of all of their work trying to keep details very private. but the case closed mantra from republicans in charge, whether it is mitch mcconnell or others, is echoing through the halls here. and it certainly is in conflict with what this one very powerful and notably bipartisan committee has been doing. >> don jr.'s problem is that his senate testimony in 2017 would appear to conflict with the mueller report in a number of areas. among those areas, that he was only peripherally aware of the e
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did not tell his father in advance about the trump tower meeting, and whether he knew the meeting's purpose beyond asking if they could attend. and let me expand on whether he told his father about the trump tower meeting. he told senate investigators, quote, i did not. however, this is what the mueller report says. michael cohen recalled being in donald j. trump's office on june 6, 7 where trump jr. told his father that the meeting was going forward. if they get him to testify, is donald trump jr. in trouble? >> yeah, i think he is in hot water. first of all by the way i believe that the subpoena did issue before mcconnell put his line in the sand as much as a couple week ago. but, yeah, he is in a fix. recall that trump jr.'s thought before he was going to be indicted and this was the reason.
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it looks pretty apparent that he lied his first time out. and when he has been called before to testify, he has tried to wave a political flag and say this is all partisan politics. really can't did that with a republican-led committee. so he will be on the hot seat and it is not clear -- he may try to at that time fifth amendment. that would be one possible way out. but that would have implications for potential criminal prosecution down the line. so he is in a fix. >> and in addition to your duties here on msnbc, you are also a contributing columnist there at the "washington post." and you wrote today about this idea of using this protective at certification of executive privilege in the fight over the former white house counsel don mcgahn. you argue that the act of turning over the mueller report made it a tough hill to climb are for the white house.
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plain s explain. >> first i want to explain the protective privilege. it is not as broad as reported. it is a sort of freeze the linebackers move so that they can determine is there anything there that may be subject to executive privilege. there wouldn't be likely to be very much, but it is not illegitimate to say let us determine it. however, whatever may be subject to executive privilege or anything either could still be subject to a waiver which would then trump the executive privilege. and that would happen if the information has already been revealed. not simply the report itself, but the basic information even of the underlying documents. if they have already given that up and recall when they gave th privilege so the game is up in terms of waiver even if there is executive privilege qualified materials. >> harry, thank you. hans, kelly, thank you as well. more on that story we continue
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to for him here. north korea firing two rounds of missiles overnight according to south korea. the missiles launched towards the east, they fell into the sea of japan as we understand it. richa richard engel is following the story very closely from london for us. and richard, from time to time we see this from the north koreans. acting out, if you will, like perhaps aed to letter who doesn't get his or her way. >> well, this is exactly what north korea does when it doesn't get its way. it gets angry and it shows its displeasure by usually launching rocket, usually in that direction into the sea of gentlemjapan. and when it is really, really angry, it blows up a nuclear weapon under ground or launches a ballistic missile.
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these were short range so i believe a moderate displeasure. so why is north korea expressing its frustration. one, the u.n. special envoy for negotiations with north korea is seoul right now, so it was a message to him, to the united states that north korea wants to get back to the negotiating table, wants to see progress in the negotiations. because north korea is having a terrible are that vest. ment worst harvest in decades. and that means that its people with struggling.that vest. ment worst harvest in decades. and that means that its people with struggling. the country's economy is suffering. and after that last summit with president trump, the talks didn't go anywhere, so now north korea for the second time in less than a week is firing off some of its weapons to show that it needs to talk, it wants to talk, it wants to get back to the table and it ntd with as to s wants to see progress because its economy is hurting and it doesn't like that it has gone into this stalemate after it thought that it was going to see
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progress after the meetings with president trump. >> they are sending a message if not a couple messages. richard, what are you watching for the next few days from north korea? >> i think from north korea we have to see if in fact there are statements from pompeo suggesting that there could be progress.envoy who is there right now is trying to work out an agreement in which some aid potentially food aid would be sent back to north korea. so some trust building exercises. there was that program that was in place to repatriate the remains of american service members who have been in north korea since the korean war. that was suspended. that could be resumed as a fairly easy trust building exercise. some aid could start flowing. there could be dates set for another round of talks. so this is not the end in that is north korea rattling its sabres to say it is not happy
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with the current stalemate and it needs a resolution. >> chief foern correspondereign richard engel in london. thank you. back here, let's return to 2020 contenders. health care the top issue among democratic voefrts accorditers a recent poll. and candidates are shaping their message. p pete buttigieg talks about this way. >> i think that health care is free. i think that if you can't start a small business because you think that leaving your job means you will lose your health care, that means that you are not free. >> nbc news found that buttigieg is the only top candidate not yet offering campaign staffers health care. our road warrior is covering the buttigieg campaign in los angeles where there will be a rally roughly two hours from now. josh, what did you find in your reporting and how is the campaign explaining it?
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>> reporter: women, the campaign is basically describing this as growing pains stemming from the fact that pete buttigieg had to build out a national operation overnight. he didn't have the major separation and ground game in a bernie sanders a elizabeth warren had. so they are trying to negotiate a group health plan if their employees. and in the meantime they also say that they are providing a $400 per month stipend to their salaried workers that they can then take on their own to the obamacare exchanges to buy health insurance. but that doesn't change the fact that as of now, he is the only top tier candidate who does not offer his staffers health care coverage. >> what has mayor pete said about his plans for health care if laekelected? >> reporter: well, he has an interesting approach. he does want to move toward a single payor system like a lot
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of the democratic candidates. but he doesn't want to do it overnight. he said you should introduce a public option like medicare for all and that over time americans will see that that works, they will see that what happens in european countries actually can be cost efficient and that over time even though there will still be the option to buy private insurance, people will gravitate toward that system, they will be more comfortable with it and eventually america will move into a single health payor system. >> josh lederman, thank you, sir. hottest economy on earth according to president trump. how much of a problem could that be for democrats in 2020? unfriended, we have a new nbc exclusive with one of facebook's co-founders. he says it is time to break up that company. and we'll also talk one-on-one with jim clyburn about what some are now calling this constitutional crisis.
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when you download the xfi app today. president trump touting one of his biggest strengths heading into the 2020 re-election bid, the economy. at a campaign rally in florida last night, he said the american economy is admired by all. >> our economy is now the hottest anywhere on earth and it is the envy of the world. every time a foreign leader, a
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president, a prime minister, a king, a queen, a dictator, we got some of them too, every time they come into the office, they say congratulations on what you've done for this economy. it is the hottest on earth. it is incredible. >> and that could be a problem for the 2020 democratic field. how to defeat donald trump on the nation's economy by most metrics is thriving. let's bring in bret stevens from the "new york times" and also an msnbc contributor. rhetoric aside here, how critical is the economy for this president's re-election? is it the single most important issue? >> not just this president, but for any president when you think of president obama's re-election, bush, clinton and so on. the economic figures were what mattered most. and distressingly for democrats, you have the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years since pretty much since man walked on the
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moon in 1969. you've got solid growth figures, low inflation figures. high productivity figures as well. so democrats have to take this into account. and i think if they are going to be smart about their electoral strategy in 2020, denying it or poo-pooing it or saying it is not real or simply saying this is just a product of a good economy that trump inherited from obama, which is true, just isn't going to cut it. they really need to start talking about how do you enlarge the economy, how do you create prosperity for more people, not simply denying a reality. otherwise trump will use it against them. >> and your column today, this is a poorrtion. trump is delivering on the core promise of the presidency. democrats need a candidate who gets this. they need someone who will work to enlarge our prosperity, not
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redistribute it, they need someone who can communicate and deliver without embarrassing and frightening normal people the way trump does. based on your article, it seems as if you think joe biden is probably the candidate most likely to be able to do that. >> that is -- look, as i also said in the article, joe biden is also the candidate likely to put both feet in his mouth and fall flat on his face. he is saying i'm a regular guy who is going to bring regular order to washington, regular behavior to the white house. and i don't have a grand plan to redesign american capitalism. i'm a safe pair of hands is basically joe biden's view. amy klobuchar is saying something very similar to that. micha michael bennett from colorado as well. and i think that is the right view. the right approach is something similar to what george w. bush did in 2000 when we also had a roaring economy. what was his message? i'm i'll restore honor and dignity to the white house and
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it won. >> senator elizabeth warren, you did not mention her. she is on the cover of "time," with what has arguably become the theme for her campaign. i have a plan for that. she laid out the platform that says the success of the current economy is going to cost america's middle class. her policy calls for, quote, big structure all changes to put economic power back in the hands of the american people. doesn't criticize the performance of the president, but criticizes the structure of you power. is that message that could resonate with democratic primary voters? >> it will resonate with democratic primary voters. but my concern is that the views might be out of step with the views of the voters that you have to win in order to win the election. so what really matters here is how you align those primary voters with the people in ohio, with the people in michigan, florida and so on who are going to be the swing voters who
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determine who ends up in the white house in 2021. >> and one could argue that is a major problem, that oftentimes voters who cast their ballots in primaries could not be more different than voters who show up to actually -- >> and i think that is right. it is even more out of whack today because as the "new york times" report really pointed out very smartly, the democratic party on twitter, the activists, and the democratic party the voters are two very different groups of people with very different ideas. and i'm afraid that people like warren are appealing to the former more than the latter. >> thank you, sir. good break up facebook? co-found her of the company called on the government to take action on the giant calling its power unamerican. he spoke exclusively to nbc news about why he believes facebook has become dangerous. first though, last night president trump talked about how
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much money puerto rico has received from the federal government in disaster relief after hurricane maria. >> puerto rico got $91 billion. and i understand they don't like me. the most money we've ever given to anybody. >> the associated press fact checked the president and found that $91 billion figure is wrong. so is his claim that it is the most money ever given in federal disaster aid. is so far puerto rico has received far less than he claimed, about $11 billion in fact. and the government provided more than $120 billion in hurricane relief after hurricane katrina. most of that of course going to louisiana. this is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the hotel that led to the ride ♪ which took them to the place
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this morning one of the people who helped build facebook says it is time to break up that tech giant. in an exclusive interview you with kate snow and an op-ed, chris hughes says facebook and zuckerberg are ttoo powerful wr
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that we are a nation with a tradition of reining in monopolies. mark's power is unprecedented and unamerican. and i'm joined by kate snow and derrick thompson also with me. he hosts the podcast crazy genius which, oh, by the way debuts its third season today. first episode all about privacy. we'll get to that. but i want to start with you. you sat down with chris hughes. what are his chief concerns? >> he has a number. biggest concern is big, facebook is powerful, too big he would say, too powerful. he says it is a monopoly. if you look at the numbers, billions are using not just facebook, but instagram and whatsapp which they also own. he argues -- chris argues who by the way was a founder of the company argues that it needs to be broken up, he argues there needs to be a new government regulatory body over facebook and all social networks. and importantly, he talks about
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zuckerberg quite a bit and says mark zuckerberg as too much power and no one calling him. >> he is extremely powerful. because he has no boss. because there is no regulatory agency from the federal government. >> so he is arguing that it all needs to be reined in. he wants the government to basically file an anti trust move against facebook and separate it out. facebook basically undo the acquisition of instragram and what whatsapp. >> and this is of course ahead of the ftc fine that facebook is prepared to pay. >> which he says it is not enough. >> and chris hughes by the way, college roommates of mark zuckerberg. >> and they are friendly. at least they used to be. and facebook has had no comment so far.
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>> and we should also know that we will have more of that conversation tonight on "nightly news." mr. thompson, i'll turn to you. this is something we've talked about a number of times, the idea that the government can/should/capable of breaking up a tech giant like facebook. >> yeah, facebook the company that tried to build the college year book and actually built a tran transnational government. sometimes mistakes happen. facebook has three problems. problem number one, it is too big and powerful. exactly what chris hughes said. but there are other problems. problem number two 1 that it has transnational government problems without actually being a trance national government. so it lets people say whatever they want or has people say whatever they want and has unwittingly been a steroidal amply fire of white nationalism all over the world.
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and then problem numb threer th privilege concerns. it has unprecedented surveillance power over our lives. we are all participants in a surveillance economy on facebook. we are staying at the hotel and facebook knows what we are up to. not only is it too big, but does it have too much power over our data to be able to do things that should be illegal. >> and it just seems to me, granted i'm skeptical about most things, but it seems like the toothpaste may be out of the tube on this. i just don't know how we rein ii in -- and we are talking about facebook. but amazon, google, they have been am massing our personal information for years. are we going to claw it back? >> the last time i spoke with you, i said it is a little like an arms supplier selling weapons to a bunch of bad actors for many, many years and after five years of telling them we won't
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sell you weapons anymore. facebook has allowed bad actors like alex jones to build an arrests nesenal of hate on its . now they say that they will pull back on white nationalism. but the arrests nesenal has bee. so they have been irresponsibility for years and we can't just fix it with tiny tweaks. >> what can we make of the timing of this conversation, why now? >> i asked that and he says that it was last year that the revelations cambridge an litity cal that started him thinking about all of this. he started working on the op-ed for several months. and it was a big decision for him to sit down with us. this is his friend, people that he knows very well. but he would tell you that feels
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an obligation as a founder to come forward with all this. he also feels a responsibility for much of what you were just describing in terms of privacy, in terms of content that is now out there. he was the guy in the charge of the news feed back in the early days and he says we didn't watch it closely enough, we didn't know what we were creating. >> really quickly here, the first episode of season three all about privacy. >> yeah, privacy used to be about information. now it is about behavior. we say in the episode that modern digital surveillance is essentially the climate change of the internet. because think about what made cambridge analytica scary. it wasn't that any one individual's information was stolen. instead, what cambridge analytica did is it made all of americans question the authenticity and autonomy of our democracy. it is a diffuse threat that can't be traced to any one individual. that is not like the privacy concerns of the 20th century. it is much more like climate change.
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and to fix this problem, we need to think about digital surveillance not as a matter of stealing but rather as a matter of data pollution. >> we'll leave it there. looking forward to the podcast. kate, always good to have you. again, you can watch much more than of kate's conversation, that interview with chris hughes tonight only on "nightly news." 6:30 eastern. a lot happening on capitol hill as the house judiciary committee voting to hold bill barr in contempt of congress. the president's son don jr. temperatured by a republican-led committee. jim clyburn of the great state of south carolina will join me live with his thoughts after the break.
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talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. humira. one thing the subpoena of donald trump jr. has done, throw a wrench into his father's idea of presidential that harassment. as you see here, it is a pop uhe lawy popular theme, but no longer just crazed democrats as the presidents calls them leading the investigation. joined now by congressman james clyburn, majority whip for house democrats. always good to have you. >> thank you for having me. >> do you know of any plans there in the lower chamber to follow the senate's lead here and issue don jr. a subpoena? >> i don't know of any. i think that we have sent
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letters, i think five committees have september left nt letters people in the white house trying to seek certain information. ways and means trying to get the tax records. we have the judiciary committee being rebuffed by the attorney general. these things are going on. but at the same time, those of us who i calling the rank and file members of the house democratic caucus are pushing forward with our agenda. we will vote later today on legislation to preserve assistance to people with pre-existing conditions in our affordable health care law. tomorrow we'll be working on disaster -- voting on the disaster relief bill. so our farmers who have lost their crops can be credit-worthy. and then we can fix some of
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those infrastructure problems that came about as a result of the recent storms. so we are walking and chewing gum at the same time. >> and speaker pelosi a short time ago echoed some of your house democratic colleagues saying that we are in a constitutional crisis with these subpoena fights. here is part of what she said. >> do you agree with chairman nadler the country is currently in a constitutional crisis? >> yes, i do agree with chairman nadler because the administration has decided that they are not going to honor their oath of office. >> so there is speaker pelosi. meanwhile you have senator mark warner who says it is not a crisis, more of a constitutional confrontation. how would congressman clyburn define it?
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>> i would define it as a confrontational crisis. that is exactly what it is. how is that for their splitting? fact of the matter is we are in a crisis. you have such divisions between the executive and legislative and looking for the judiciary to step in and moderate or navigate -- help us navigate through this. that is a crisis situation. it may not be as big as a lot of the crises that we have had as a nation, but this is bigger than watergate was. all you've got to do is look at this report and you know that but for his status as president of the united states, this president would have been indicted for obstruction of
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justice and there are 10 or 12 different instances in the mueller report that indicate that. and so that to me is a crisis situation. i've studied history. i've taught history. i spent a lot of time researching history every day. never has a country been in the place it has been today. >> and last question. we'll be talking to authors of the politico playbook. today they wrote that trump seems to be daring democrats to take the impeachment road. is that how you see it? and if that is the case, if that is how you see it, then what is the way out? >> well, exactly the way i see it. i think the president is calculating that if he pushes us to pull the trigger on an impeachment resolution assumed by t supported by the party, he will then be able to point to the divisiveness that comes with that.
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we are aware of that and we won't be goaded into such activity. if things were to develop as we have just seen with his son now being subpoenaed, we have some other venues, judiciary venues up in new york seeking other things, it could very well be that the public will certainly -- will suddenly come over to the fact that we need to remove this distraction and then that would be the time for us to pursue an impeachment. but until we get there, we out oig to stay focused on our again today a agenda and we'll have a big health care rollout next week that i think will pay for itself with the savings that we will be
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making in would be arone area ag in t spending in the other. and i know some of our supporters are a bit frustrate baud because they see things in black and white, but there are a lot of gray issues involved and that is where we have to be cogniza cognizant. >> congressman clyburn, thank you, sir. the authors of politico's morning playbook are joining me now. anna, you heard congressman clyburn respond to your reporting on president trump appearing to be trying to goad democrats to at that time impeachment road. it sounds like congressman clyburn at least, they are sort of on to the president's game. >> i don't think that it is necessarily surprising. the president has been tweeting about this, saying go down that route, daring them into it.
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i think clyburn is reflecting a lot of feeling that speaker nancy pelosi has been trying to tell her troops which is pump the breaks, there is a lot of investigations, a lot of time. unless republicans are going to follow suit and be supportive of impeachment, it is a very dangerous road for them to go down particularly when it comes to 2020 being as close as it is. >> and jake, you talso wrote soe extreme action like launching impeachment proceedings against president trump is getting likelier by the day. in the overwhelming likely, but it is getting worse. how much worse are we talking about. >> you just had jim clyburn who said that he feels like he agreed with our reporting and you're assessment that the president does seem to be daring them to go in that direction. and listen, up until now, the
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political crisis has been pretty low. democrats are holding a.g. bill barr in contempt and that is as far as they are going. and the white house has no incentive to stop bucking the investigation process, the oversight process. so i would say this is only going to be worse. i cannot imagine this gets better before about gets much, much worse. you had speaker of the house saying that it was a constitutional crisis. and jim clyburn standing right here saying this is worse than watergate. i'm not sure if you caught that. >> i caught it. >> that is quite the statement from the number leave sdm, somebody who has been up here for a very long time. >> and jake, let's talk about mick mulvaney's democrats, telling i believe it was cbs radio that it was bad form for senator richard burr to subpoena the president's son without a head's up. did no one there on the hill have an idea that this was coming? >> yeah, they did. a lot of people had an idea this
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was coming. and senators have been at least somewhat aware of the prospect of donald trump jr. getting a subpoena. i will say this, congress is a very prideful institution. and i think some senators think on the trump tower moscow issue and a bunch of other issues don jr.'s comments were not entirely consistent with what is now public. i have no idea. i'm just telling you what my reporting shows. so i think that the senate intelligence committee wants to get answers out of him. so i think that there was some idea that this would come up. i don't think that it was widely known. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. jake, anna, thank you both. we are waiting for president trump to speak live about a bipartisan issue. a way to stop medical bills from surprising millions of americans. and today at 1:00 eastern, two 2020 contenders will talk about
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any minute president trump will be talking about a big issue that affects millions of americans. congressman was just talking about a few moments ago as well. this is an issue that has bipartisan support in congress as hard as that may be to believe these days. surprise medical bills. they can catch people off guard. they often time lead to bankruptcies and evictions. hans is at the white house to talk us through the core of the issue and the plan to fix it as well. what do we know? >> reporter: we know the president will recite his principals and what he thinks the problem is and the open potential bipartisan solutions. the president really came to this through individual stories. hearing stories about someone is unconscious. they go to out of network hospital or emergency room and the bills they are saddled with. here you have the president
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going to be flanked by senators from both parties at the same time early you had kellyanne conway on the hill. all the other conversation is about what the president will do to comply with the subpoenas. how and when is he going to invoke executive privilege and how surprised they were that don junior could be appearing before the senate committee there. what the president be talking about here, bipartisan support. is the president waiting in a bit to the less controversial aspects of health care reform. he generally tries to talk about how he will replace obama care entirely. this is on the margins. these are incremental changes. there could be a great deal of political support on both sides of the aisle and we'll see to what extent the president owns the specifics or whether or not he's willing to take a step back and provide some supporting comments. >> frame work here. to be clear, is there a specific piece of legislation that the
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president is going to be talking about or is he really just going to be talking about some of the broad strokes. some of the ideals that he would like to see. >> reporter: specific legislation. they have a bill that's coursing through the senate. it has bipartisan support. just how specific he will get, i think that's one thing to look for. always with the president, look to see if he goes off topic. look to see if there's any questions of the the day. >> hans a t the white house as we await the president's comments on surprise medical bills. thank you. coming up next hour, senator mark warner, top democratic in the intelligence committee will be talking to andrea about the
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a former student at the stem school who said that kendrick was the very best among them which i thought was a very thoughtful thing coming from a 16-year-old. have mature. he said when he heard about the shoot on tuesday, he was not surprised that kendrick was credited with ending that violence in that classroom that day. john castello, his dad, said he and his son talked about school shootings and kendrick said he would not sit there and become a victim. his dad said to us he told his son, you don't have to be the hero but that's how he's being remembered. it's a bit more from the dad talking about his fallen son. >> my wife and i knew right away it's something he would do. in fact, she was crying and everything, she was saying why would he do that. that's him. i wish he wouldn't do that but that's kendrick. that's a kendrick thing.
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he would not let somebody get hurt if he had anything to do with it. if he had to be there to protect somebody, that's what he was going to do. >> reporter: according to the stem school schedule commencement exercises were scheduled. we don't fknow if they will hol that day. >> thank you. that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. andrea mitchell reports starts now. right now, testing trump. north korea firing off another missile. a direct challenge to the president's declaration that he and kim jong-un fell in love through their letters. >> even if these are short and medium range missile, they are violation of resolutions and put a risk to tens of thousands of americans as well as japan and south korea. family matters. donald trump junior is subpoenaed by the republican led senate intelligence committee to explain his previous state

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