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information -- >> just a little secret, we never know. tom sits down and never know why or what has happened and it sort of doesn't matter. >> wow. knock my socks off on that one. there you go. thank you for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." right now we sent you down to washington, d.c. where kristen welker picks up coverage. >> i get smarter every day watching you guys. i mean, i don't know about everyone else. you guys have great information. great to see you guys. good afternoon, everyone. i'm kristen welker in for katy tur. last hour we heard directly from the president on the senate intelligence committee's subpoena of his son donald trump jr. in short he was very surprised. >> he's now testified for 20 hours or something, a massive amount of time. the mueller report came out. that's the bible. the mueller report came out and they said he did nothing wrong. the only thing is it's opo
research. my son was totally exonerated by mueller who, frankly, does not like donald trump, me, this donald trump and, frankly, for my son after being exonerated to now get a subpoena to go again and speak again after close to 20 hours of telling everybody that would listen about a nothing meeting, yeah, i'm pretty surprised. >> should he fight that subpoena? >> we'll see what happens. >> sounds surprised and upset. the intelligence committee has demanded that donald trump jr. answer further questions about his involvement in the moscow trump tower project and other matters. back in september of 2017, trump jr. testified before the senate judiciary committee. he said then that he was only peripherally aware of plans to build in moscow but testimony from the president's former attorney contradicts that.
michael cohen claims the president's son was briefed about trump tower in moscow approximately ten times. now, a person close to donald trump jr. says else's open to written testimony but has signaled he will defy the subpoena. meanwhile, the move to haul his son back to capitol hill has pit people against each other. take a listen. >> at some point this is not about finding facts, this smacks of politics. >> yeah, i'll leave it up to the chairman. don junior's lawyer, i'd be reluctant to jump back into this circus. >> why? >> it's crazy. >> i believe the democrats are trying to keep this alive and it's their latest launch to keep it alive. >> but this is bur keeping it alive. >> you would have to speak to senator burr. i stand by my comment. >> if donald trump jr. defies
his subpoena, what comes next? joining me now to break it all down, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delanian, kellen o'donnell, chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst, peter baker, he's also the author of the newly updated and newly released "obama: the call of history" and former federal prosecutor and legal analyst barrett berger. i want to start with you, peter, and get your reaction to everything we heard from president trump. this was the first time we heard him weigh in on this subpoena against his eldest son, donald trump jr. what did you make of the tone of his remarks? what do you think it implies? >> yeah, look, you can understand any father being upset about being put back into the political arena. his son volunteered it by being his campaign manager. he is a grown man but still there is an emotional reaction
that is natural for any president as well as a legal and political one. the question, though, is donald trump jr. has testified before and one of the questions they want to ask whether the testimony he gave before stands up. they want to compare other testimony that they've gotten to his, for instance, mooib, the president's former attorney headed off to prison for a variety of crime, michael cohen, said he was in -- sorry, in the trump tower office with president trump, then candidate trump when his son don junior came in and the conversation they had might seem to suggest that they had talked about this meeting that both of them have said they did not talk about. i'm sure that's one thing they'd like to ask him about. the president's son doesn't have executive privilege. it would be a pretty novel claim to suggest a relative who is not on staff is protected from a subpoena in any way. the only other way he could avoid it is plead the fifth. >> as you're talking we're getting breaking news from frank thorp who tells us two sources
familiar with the intelligence committee's subpoena of donald trump jr. say it was served in mid-april. ken, the sources would not say when or if there's a deadline for him to respond. your reaction to that and do you expect him to testify? >> i do not expect him to testify and, by the way, this is great reporting by frank. it was served some time ago and negotiations weeks before that. the idea that donald trump is surprised doesn't seem credible. look, nobody i've talked to thinks he is going to testify because he is in some real peril. his testimony dramatically contradicts that of michael cohen as peter described on two key point, on the trou moscow meeting and about what he told people about it. some of the most important episodes in the whole russia investigation and we have a statement from a person close to donald trump jr. who is accusing senator burr of, you know, participating this essentially a witch-hunt.
it's remarkable how senator burr set himself apart from his colleagues. he is not running for re-election and my sources tell me after donald trump fired james comey, that was a turning point for richard burr. he was determined to pursue a bipartisan investigation. he doesn't believe there was collusion but he wants to get to the bottom of what did happen. >> you're right. it is remarkable because this is really the first time that we're seeing republicans pit against republicans in this way going after one of the president's children. kelly o'donnell, also remarkable that this subpoena based on frank's reporting was served before mitch mcconnell declared this is case closed. the aftermath we've seen on capitol hill so far, a lot of friendly fire as we described it at the top of the show, let me just read a couple of exampling. donald trump jr. has already spent dozens of hours testifying. lee selden saying let's move forward and rand paul lashing out saying apparently the
republican chair of the senate intel committee didn't get the memo from the majority leader that this case was closed. a little bit of a civil war brewing there, kelly. >> and it's interesting when you have rand paul siding with mitch mcconnell who he in many other instances is more than willing to part ways with so that's interesting. i also asked leader mccarthy today about the issue that you've been discussing, the discrepancies that appear on their face from the testimony, transcripts that we have of trump jr.'s original meetings before the committee and what is in the mueller report and it would appear mueller did not have any other kind of corroborating information like a phone call record or some other documentation about this discrepancy. it's michael cohen who we know has all kinds of credibility issues, being the one who would say, yes, he informed his father and had been briefed himself
meaning the son briefed on the trou moscow plans. it's an imperfect messenger if michael cohen is the only piece. when i asked he again said the outcome would not change. that it would not find that there had been collusion and he -- as he described it, that there was nothing that would rise to the level of being prosecutable in the obstruction area but this divide among republicans also stands out because there's an urgency on a number of fronts in part to protect the president and in part to move on and in part to refocus on their own agenda and to be able to have a clearer message going at democrats for their efforts to investigate and ultimately keep the pressure on the president and in this case the president's son for coming into the scrutiny they think was not fully exercised through the mueller report so if a republican is among those saying we need to hear from donald trump jr., that sort of weakens
the argument it's all about democrats wanting to do this, so it is a wrinkle we didn't anticipate, but it is certainly one that won't go away easily. kristen. >> certainly right, let me bring you in. michael cohen has a credible issue. he is an imperfect messenger yet it would seem that's where the discrepancy lies. so how do you square that? how do you factor that in with asking him to testify again. >> this may be one of the reasons they want him to come back in is for some kind of clarification. i wouldn't assume that they are believing everything that michael cohen said wholesale because exactly as you said he does come with a lot of, you know, strikes against his credibility. chief among those is he is a convicted felon who is now serving jail time for among other things lying to congress. so it may be an opportunity that they are offering donald trump jr., a chance to clarify
anything that needs clarifying, to fix anything in his testimony that was perhaps mistaken before. but i'm not sure they're actually going to get that opportunity to have that exchange for him if, for example, he decides that he's going to assert the fifth. >> and just berit, what would happen if he decides to plead the fifth. >> he can choose to come and testify. he can choose to show up and plead the fifth or ignore the subpoena outright. if he chooses to show up but to assert his fifth amendment privilege then the people who issued the subpoena have to make a decision and that decision is how much do they actually need his testimony? the way that prosecutors or congress would overcome an assertion of the fifth amendment is by immunizing the witness and that would say, you know, if you come and testify we're not going to use what you say against you. but that's a calculation that prosecutors, for example, have to make every time somebody
asserts that because sometimes you do want the opportunity to be able to use that testimony. so it will pose a challenge, i think, for the senate when they're -- if they're forced with that assertion of a privilege. >> and, ken, yesterday we saw the house judiciary committee move to hold the attorney general who is also in the spotlight in contempt of congress, the full house has not yet voted on this now adam schiff saying he's going to move to subpoena the attorney general. they want to see the full mueller report. where does this go? >> well, what adam schiff is doing, by the way, he has the support of the republican on his committee devin nunez, that's interesting. what he wants is the intelligence and counterintelligence information in the report and asking under a different law, a law that says the executive branch has to brief the intelligence committees on pending intelligence matters and what he is say something this is the really important stuff because while there may not have been a crime on all the russia contacts, the fbi may have determined they harm national security and the public deserves to know that in oval --
evaluating it. >> peter baker, very quickly, does the white house like this fight? >> well, i think in some ways they do. they like, you know, having an enemy, having an opponent. the democrats are easier than mueller. mueller was very quiet. he didn't speak out. he wasn't partisan. he is a public. democrats can be much more easily portrayed as interested in their own partisan gain and that's a fight the president doesn't mind having. >> well, the hits keep on coming as it relates to all of this so thanks to awful you for kicking us off. great conversation. thanks to all of you. still ahead, president trump holds out hope for north korea to negotiate after they launch two more rounds of missiles. plus, senator elizabeth warren says, i have a plan for that. but do democrats really care? we'll drill into that, first, why president trump may be more eager for impeachment proceedings than democrats.
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you're looking at video captured just moments ago here in washington where they're holding a farewell ceremony for deputy attorney general rod rosenstein at the department of justice. now, in addition to rosenstein himself in attendance the current attorney general, william barr. former attorney general jeff sessions and fbi director christopher wray, obviously all of these men have been in the spotlight throughout the course of the russia investigation,
throughout the course of the trump administration. his last day is may 11th. we will continue to keep an eye on that event for any headline-making remarks. turning to capitol hill now, prominent congressional democrats may think president trump obstructed justice but that doesn't mean they want to impeach him. >> are you going to impeach this president? >> we're not there yet. what i want to see is bob mueller to testify to tell his story and then let the american people make a decision. >> the president is almost self-impeaching because he is every day demonstrating more obstruction of justice and disrespect for congress' legitimate rule to subpoena. so we'll -- again, this is very methodical. it is very constitution based. it's very law based. it's very factually based. it's not about pressure. it's about patriotism.
>> well, one person who may be unhappy to hear that is spriegzly president trump. according to bloomberg those close to the president are practically begging house democrats to begin divisive impeachment proceedings. quote, president trump's advisers are pushing him to defy congressal investigations in hopes of luring democrats into escalating a fight they say will turn vote evers against the party in the 2020 elections. joining me to discuss it is shannon pettypiece and anete that kumar. i want to start with what you've written and say the advise remembers counting on news coverage of the battle with congress including democrats rising the possibility of impeachment, distracting attention from candidates vying to replace trump and are portraying the president as part of gamesmanship. what do you say? >> they are hoping democrats will overplay their hand and see no downside to democrats continuing this investigation
impeachment push because, one, they can't get president trump removed in the senate so feel like you can impeach him in the house. there is not the support to impeach him in the senate. they feel like voters' minds are mostly made up about the president so nothing that's going to come out of these investigations, they're concerned about hurting the president's standing with the american people and think what his biggest risk is the economy turning before the election so in a way they think that the biggest losers here could be the democrats who could look like they're on this partisan witch-hunt as they try to frame it pushing and overplaying their hand. >> they've been hammering that point home. really in a coordinated chorus of voices if you will from the president on down, anete that, is there concern within the administration this could ultimately backfire and gets slapped with the "i" word and makes it tough for him to win independent vots and suburban women who he needs?
>> you would think so. i'm also hearing that they feel okay about it. precisely because of what shannon said. they're just not going to have the votes for this in the senate and plays into what president trump has been campaigning on which is i am the victim, i'm a fighter. all these people are against me and i've won. i've been vindicated so goes right along into that same, you know, theory that he's been pushing? >> the president's long described himself as a counterpuncher so likes a good fight. that's how he won election in the first place and know democrats have a former president in mind as they weigh their options around impeachment. that's former president bill clinton who was emboldened in the wake of the proceeds. his approval rating, 69% during the impeachment trial. that's 1999. president trump's right now is at 46%, so, shannon, to what extent are they eyeing these figures? >> well, that 46% is not great for a traditional president but
that is one of the highest approval ratings of trump's presidency and it took a big jump -- >> yet historically low. >> took a big jump after barr's letter came out where he cleared the president of obstruction and cleared him of any sort of coordination with the russians, so now mueller's report has come out which created a more murky nuanced picture but we still at least up until the end of april haven't seen that approval rating go down so to the point of clinton who saw his approval ratings go up, the trump's advisers see that happening and makes them more confident in their strategy to continue fighting, continue playing this forward and let the democrats go on the path they're on. >> part of your reporting is that nancy pelosi wants to take this one step at a time. anita, she's concerned about essentially overplaying democrats' hands heading into 2020 but for the progressive base they're saying this isn't going fast enough. they think she's being too cautious. >> they do and they've been pushing her to be further along
than this. >> how loud are the calls growing? as we watch this day by day do you get the sense there's real momentum building here or is it just the same cast of characters. >> i feel like it's different than last week. i kne i feel like all the things that happened, especially with barr, nancy pelosi still wants to find the mueller report and go through this contempt vote but i feel like in the last week people have -- democrats have really said, oh, we're there. we're just about there. but, you know, there's the other group saying we're getting close to the election. let it play out. we're already in the middle of a race. >> few people understand the politics as much as nancy pelosi. do you get the sense she's being nudge add long or is she holding firm? >> that's part of why she said he's goading us, guy. >> in the back of her mind and maybe the front she knows she has a lot of members just elected in 2018 who came from districts that trump won and more centrist moderate districts
so not only does she want to hang on to the presidency, she's got to be able to send members back to their districts and not have to explain why they impeached the president and didn't do anything about the opioid crisis or drug prices or nafta or trade. when you look at the polling about the issues people care about generally health care, immigration, the economy are up there, so she needs to deliver something too in 2020. >> that's echoed by all of our embed reporters out in the field talking to voters. thank you. shannon and anita. with new tariffs on china set to take's affect at midnight president trump is insisting american consumers won't be paying for it so is he right? we'll take a look at that when we come right back.
what message do you take from that? >> we're looking at it seriously. they were smaller missiles. short-range missiles. nobody is happy about it. but we're taking a good look and we'll see. i know they want to negotiate. they're talking about negotiating but i don't think they're ready to negotiate. >> we're taking a look, he says. that was president trump's somewhat tepid response to north korea's launch of two rounds of missiles earlier today. the second such launch in a week. according to south korea's
defense agency this latest launch occurred around 3:30 a.m. eastern time in the western part of north korea. now, on saturday north korea fired what's been described as short-range projectiles. that launch was believed to have involved new technical guidance weapons for pyongyang. since saturday's launch president trump has maintained his belief at least in the public that north korea will ultimately negotiate despite the abrupt breakdown of the second round of talks between the leaders in vietnam back in february. joining me now from seoul, south korea, janice macke. thanks for joining me. what can you tell me about the launches and implications for the talks? >> reporter: kristen, we still don't have many details. we know at least two short-range ballistic missile had been fired by kusong.
it's where north korea did their first test of a missile back in february of 2017. solid fuel marks a milestone for north korea because those types of missiles are easier to transport, easier to launch undetected. so this latest test does mark an escalation in the testing and in the tension here with the several launches that were held on saturday, with what's believed to be a new type of short-range ballistic missile similar to the russian made madeescander. kim jong-un not only continues to push the limits of his own moratorium on testing as well as the united nations resolutions but he's doing so with what appears to be more advanced capabilities. the question is how does this impact talks? where do things go from here?
talks have been stalled since the collapse of the hanoi summit of few months ago. there is these u.s. special envoy who is in south korea today and tomorrow for talk, but the lines of communication with pyongyang have been silent. to this point it's been interesting to note the reaction of president trump and the white house whereas a couple of years ago he was talking about fire and fury. now he's simply saying we're not happy about it. there seems to be the sense that both president trump and secretary of state mike pompeo might be willing to accept or even look the other way if these tests don't involve the long-range ballistic missiles that threaten the united states. >> janis, thanks for helping us understand what is a tremendous foreign policy challenge for the president. we're also tracking another rough day on wall street today as trade talks between the u.s. and china run down to the wire. the dow is down over 450 points at its low over fears today's
negotiations will ultimately fail. the president's new threatened tariffs will go into effect at midnight. the chinese have sent a delegation to the white house for the talks expected to begin at 5:00 p.m. eastern. earlier the president insisted both countries still want to deal despite the heightened rhetoric. take a listen. >> we were getting very close to a deal then they started to renegotiate the deal. we can't have that. we can't have that. so our country can take in $120 billion a year in tariffs paid for mostly by china by the way, not by us. a lot of people try to steer it in a different direction and ultimately paid for largely by china. >> most economists agree americans will bear the brunt of tariffs on china as companies respond and raise their prices. that could be problematic for a president heading into an election year who wants to run on the economy. as "the washington post" notes u.s. farmers and exporters already bearing the brunt of china's retaliatory tariffs now face the prospect of an escalated trade war in which
states trump needs to win re-election will be right in the crosshairs. joining me now my friend and colleague at the white house, hallie jackson and economic correspondent and host of the politico money podcast ben -- hallie, i want to start with you. what do we" from the talks tonight? >> sure, let's talk about the when and how. we know it's going to start at about 5:00 this evening. that's what president trump has been talking about. that's where much of his focus is today. you can tell based on what he's tweeting and talking about. as for the how these talks will go, likely pretty contentiously. listen, people inside this administration are really frustrated with china. even after a lot of optimistic noises over the last several weeks, because they feel like china, the chinese negotiating team led by the price premier backed out of commitments he made. you have heard from lighthizer on the front and mnuchin as well
involved in this. i don't expect this will be a lot of smiling happy hugging, if you will, this evening. i think this is going to be them getting down to brass tacks. something the president mentioned, this letter he said the chinese president, president xi jinping sent to him trying to -- it seems -- re-establish a good connection ahead of the negotiating team arriving here in washington. >> and that letter coming amid all of that tough talk that you mentioned, hallie. the fact they're saying this tariff threat is very real. ben white, let's fact-check one thing the president said. he said china is going to pay for these tariffs. is is there any truth to that because -- >> no. >> most economists are saying, look, this is something that will be borne by u.s. consumers. >> the facts are in and several studies have looked at the impact of the tariffs imposed so
far and they have almost 100% been paid by u.s. importers, paid by companies that import stuff from china and then ultimately by consumers forced to pay higher prices so no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that china is paying any of these tariffs right now or that the money we're taking in is coming from china. it's coming from u.s. taxpayers. the president has also said his trade policies have helped the u.s. economy. let's take a listen to what he had to say today. i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> when people looked at the economic numbers they were shocked. when they look at the import/export numbers they were shocked. they said, wow, how did they get to this point? this was very good. that was a very good report. they'd never seen that for many years. i said, try looking at all of the tariffs that china has been paying us for the last eight months. billions and billions of dollars and that's only because i gave them a break. >> so, ben, is that how this works? >> no, no, it's not how it works
and, you know, the trade war is actually subtracted from economic growth so far. we did hit a good number, 3.2% in the first quarter but it probably would have been stronger without the trade war. you had a one-time impact of inventory buildups from people, you know, getting stuff ahead of the tariffs so it's not helping and the point is it's really going to hit in trump states where soybean farmers are already hurting across iowa, minnesota, elsewhere and if auto tariffs come on top of that it's bad in michigan and ohio. he has to find a way to deal with china. wall street is not freaking out because they think we could get it friday but ultimately won't go full scale trade war because that would be damaging for both countries. >> hallie, i want to -- go ahead. >> ben is making a really important point here which is, yes, the costs are passed on to consumers but there is serious concern about what regular people across america are going to have to deal with if the tariffs go into effect. we're not just talking about cars and soybean farmers. that's the sort of big ticket stuff but everything from soap
to sneakers to smartphones to the things you buy at the grocery store like fruit and nuts. this will have a wide-ranging impact and that's why you are seeing concern from trade groups and others. there's one trade group that estimates for the average family of four you are going to see a price hike of some 700 plus dollars this year if these tariffs go into effect. >> yeah, i mean just to make the point if we go to all $550 billion that china exported to the u.s. last year, that's every q- product you can think of and that almost immediately gets passed on to consumer so go from 10% to 25% and hits the pocketbook of everybody who shops at walmart especially in trump country where people don't have a lot of excess income to spend. >> trump country watching this very closely. the question is how will they respond? thanks for helping us break this all done? hallie jackson and ben white, great conversation, appreciate it. coming up, what do voters want? well, senator elizabeth warren is hoping it's a wonk who has a
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does have a plan for everything. >> and, susan, when you think about senator warren, a lot of people think about the fact that she wants to take on big banks. she's fighting for the little guy. but as we're talking about she has policy prescriptions for just about everything, recently taking on opioids, does she need to narrow it down a little bit and sort of go back to that, hey, i'm the person who's fighting the -- >> well, actually, putting it up on her website. things she's using to relate to voters on the campaign trail, she knows she has to be slow and steady to win this race and that's what she's doing and she has a really good way of taking her policies and making them become relatable as donna just said. she takes -- people understand the problems with opioids and school debt, et cetera, so i think that makes a difference
and just one example she sent out to potential supporters an email saying this is -- if this is your education debt, this is what it will be under my plan with a calculator. these are very wise techniques and, again, i think she's looking at this for, you know, six, seven months down the road and not just trying to get a big bang right off the bat. >> and it is very early and yet we are still looking at the polling. there is a new poll out today, monmouth university out of neighboring new hampshire and shows her in fourth place trailing behind joe biden, bernie sanders and even mayor pete buttigieg, donna. so how does she break through? this is again her neighboring state? >> well, i mean i think one thing i see is that she's made a slow and very steady increase in her polls. some of the other candidates like bernie, his numbers have flat-lined in places. it's a real opportunity for
absolutely warren and i don't think it hurts her with primary voters to have plans on -- >> you mentioned bernie sanders. bernie sanders has a huge swath of supporters who are very dedicated. he takes up a lot of that progressive oxygen, if you will. how does she -- can she compete to win over some of those sanders supporters? >> well, again, i think when she goes out, for example, i've been surprised at how her numbers have moved with black women voters when she was at that she the people conference in houston, she won people over by connecting her policy to people's life experience and she's in this for the long haul. this is not about whether she's the flavor of the month in may of 2019. >> the other candidates were watching today. mayor pete buttigieg who i just mentioned and also senator kamala harris. politico writes this, buttigieg, the mayor of south bend, indiana isn't viewed as a direct threat to harris, but his rapid rise appeal to millennial voters and newfound popularity around
hollywood and silicon valley donors behinders her back to lock down her backyard. this is her turf, susan, and yet mayor pete is giving senator kamala harris a real run for her money quite literally in california. >> he is raising money and i believe joe biden just announced he raised $700,000 at an event in california so california is like new york. it's viewed as an atm for candidates. >> isn't that territory she should have locked down when you think about fund raiseing? >> it's also a big state and it has a lot of diversity to it and you do see whether it's the more progressive to the more moderate democrat, i mean, let's face it, the seats that swung democrat in california in orange county were to middle of the road democrat, not progressives so i think what we're seeing is there is room for candidates to come in not just to raise upon but to potentially peel off some delegates but that shouldn't be surprising. >> donna. >> well, look, i think that each
one of these candidates is going to have part of a lane but not an entire lane and i think that's what you see in california. >> are you surprised by mayor pete and his strength in a place like california or mo. >> given his profile i think he's appealing to a set of, you know, younger donors, a set of donors in the lgbt community, that's important to carve out a lane in a very crowded field of democrats, but it means that california is also not completely up for grabs but up for grab. >> all right, thanks, ladies, donna edwards and susan del percio. up next why facebook's co-founder is saying the social media titan should be broken up. that's when we come right back. let's see, aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol extra strength.
nc ncht. facebook co-founder is arguing that the government should break up facebook. they have marvelled at the explosive growth and overlooked their responsibility to ensure that americans are protected and markets are competitive. is the social media titan touting too big to fail. it was a fantastic interview. thanks so much for being here. really appreciate it. what did he tell you?
>> a lot of things. let's take a step back. this is the first time a founder is criticizing facebook. chris hughes says he has regrets about building facebook without thinking about the kind of content that could spread. he left the company in 2007 but he says he thinks facebook has become a monopoly and is not accountable to anyone. >> do you think facebook is dangerous? >> i do. the reason i'm speaking out is because i think facebook has become too big, too powerful. >> i also have some new sound that we skrus put ojust put out. he saved his strongest criticism for mark zuckerberg. while he thinks he's a good, kind person, he describes an aggressiveentrepreneur.
>> i'm angry at mark. they have taken so much promise and sacrificing quality, security, stability for clicks. i think that it's time to hold them accountable. >> he wants to break up facebook. he wants to undo or have the government undo the acquistions facebook made and wants to create a new regulatory body to oversee all social networks. >> it's remarkable to hear him so critical of facebook, to critical of mark zuckerberg who is not only his former partner but someone he roomed with at college. does chris take any responsibility for his role? he helped to create facebook. >> he does. you'll hear more of that tonight. he says i am partly responsible. i take responsibility for building something and not really thinking about the consequences of what they were building. he was in charge of the news
feed which now all these years later is so problematic with all that content and sometimes violent content. think about what happened in new zealand when the shooter live streamed himself on facebook. >> we know that facebook has responded. >> they say facebook accepts that with success comes accountability but you don't enforce accountability by calling for the break up of a successful american company. accountability of tech companies can only be achieved through the pain staking introduction of new rules for the internet. that is exactly what mark zuckerberg has called for and he's meeting with government leaders this week to further that work. he has called himself for more regulation of facebook. >> right. chris is saying he thinks there should be an agency to actually
look over and oversee facebook. what would that look like. how would that function? >> it's a good dwe. he said it's up to congress. congress should create a brand new body. not just for facebook but all kinds of social media companies that do social networking. he is critical of mark zuckerberg and the call for regulation. he says he doesn't think they really want regulation. he thinks they are trying to strike and say please regulate us so they won't get broken up into pieces. >> it's a fascinating conversation. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. you can watch more of the base exclusive interview tonight. 91 billion or 11 billion.
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vote of 24 to 16 for refusie ii subpoena. poking fun at that. we continue to monitor that. we have one more thing before we go. >> the government has helped but we still have long ways to go. i put it in capital letters. this is our reality. you know this is i'm the guy that has lived it. i'm the guy down there in the off season. i don't feel right going an celebrating. >> that was boston red sox manager explaining why he won't be meeting the president at white house this afternoon. other players also plan to sit out including some of team's biggest stars. this comes as president trump continues making this claim about aid to puerto rico where fact checkers have deemed misleading. >> i have a great relationship with the people of puerto rico. it hasn't been fair the way they have treated all of us from the
standpoint of their leaders. they complain they want more money. you got 91 billion. largest amount of money ever given for hurricane. >> according to multiple outlets so far the island has received a fraction of that, about 11 billion dollar. that 91 billion is a guesstimate. that does wrap us up for this hour. ali velshi picks things up. good to see you. have yourself have great afternoon. the white house continues to resist congressional investigations into its alleged misconduct. nancy pelosi agrees this country is facing a constitutional crisis. like the chairman, she's pulling back talks of immediate impeachment proceedings. >> this is very methodical. it's very constitution based. it's very law based. it's v