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thank you all for being here. it's a tremendous honor to have you in the white house and we're going to look at the lincoln bedroom. thank you. >> and that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news >> tonight on all in -- >> the senate intelligence committee subpoenaed don, jr. >> the first real crack in trump's red wall. >> i was very surprised to see my son. >> senator richard blumenthal on the uproar. >> if he fails to answer he ought to be put in jail. >> 'the leader of democrats agrees we are in a constitutional crisis. >> the president is almost self-impeaching. >> i was a businessman, very successful. >> the trump ghost writer there for all the massive losses joins me live.
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>> then the growing assault on women's rights in states across america. >> excuse me! you are recognized. >> i don't care what the chair is about. >> the cofounder of facebook is calling for it to be broken up. >> i'm angry at mark and a lot of the leadership. >> chris hughes joins me now. >> i think he has too much power. i don't know if we are going to be friends after this. >> all in starts right now. >> good evening from chicago i'm chris hayes. a day after senate majority leader mitch mcconnell declared the russia investigation was case closed on the floor of the senate, republican senator richard burr, the chair of the senate intelligence committee issued a subpoena for the president's oldest son, don, jr. this comes amid the epic showdown that nancy pelosi described as a constitutional
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crisis. the trump white house is essentially telling congress they are entitled to nothing. keep in mind as it continues to be true, they have given congress no documents. zero. they are invoking executive privilege. the house judiciary recommended to hold the attorney general in contempt and the saving grace of the white house in all of this is that republican members of congress have 100% fallen in line. now there is a break in the ranks and they are furious about it. senators rushed to show their own loyalty tow donald trump and the kentucky senator, donald trump, and rand paul tweeted apparently the chair didn't get the memo from the majority leader that this case was closed. the texas senator ted cruz who called donald trump a sniffling coward, serial phi landerer and pathological liar, the mueller report found no cocollusion.
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it's time to move on and focus on issues americans care about. bold. we don't know what the subpoena is for. we do know, however, that donald trump, jr. has been slippery with the truth. a little example, here he is in 2016 responding to clinton camp claiming that russia was interfering to help donald trump win. keep in mind this is just a month after donald trump, jr. personally got an e-mail in whiching him the russian government was helping his dad and met with russians at trump tower to further their aid. >> it just goes to show you their moral compass. they will say anything to win this. this is time and time again, lie after lie. his house cat at home said this is what's happening. it's disgusting and so phony. >> disgusting, lie after lie, they will say anything to win.
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or that time in march of 2017 when he told the new york times and i quote, did i meet with people who were russian? i'm sure, i'm sure i did. none that were set up. none that i can think of at the moment and none that i was representing the campaign in any way, shape, or form. none of that is true. there is evidence he didn't tell the truth to the intelligence committee either which appears to be what they are after. mark warner impied as much in an interview with kelly o'donnell this afternoon. >> i would point out when we had the witnesses in, we reserve the right to bring back witnesses if there were inconsistencies. many of the witnesses we brought back and members of the trump family have willingly come back. some of the representations made by trump, jr.'s lawyers or allies, i don't think fully fit the facts. >> richard blumenthal who sits on the judiciary committee was more vocal with his frustration.
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>> he truly misled the judiciary committee. now he needs to be held accountable. those answers about the moscow-trump tower meeting, the meeting with russian agents. >> what happens if he doesn't comply? >> he ought to be held in contempt and no question with donald trump, jr. about any privilege to avoid this kind of requesting. if he fails to answer, he ought to be put in jail. >> democrat from connecticut joins me now. he attended the senate judiciary committee's interview in 2017. if he won't come, he should be put in jail. what did you mean? >> he ought to be treated the same as any other witness who refuses to obey a lawful court order. that's the last stage in a
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process that needs to begin right now. remember, chris. this subpoena has to be enforced. if he refuses to come before the intelligence committee, he will be held in contempt and that contempt citation needs to be voted on not only by the committee, but the full senatement my republican colleagues are now going to be tested. the republican chairman, richard burr is doing his job because there is no case closed on russian attacks on our democracy. we need to know the facts. >> i want to make this argument and hear your response and the argument goes like this. the mueller report is out. redacted, but the bulk of it and the findings are in the first volume about collusion are what they are. why does it matter? why chase down don junior for what it said when the facts are established and out in the mueller report? >> the facts may not be fully
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established by the mueller report. there are a lot of open questions that remain to be answered as mark warner just implied. the mueller report raises many of them, in fact we sent a letter, members of the judiciary committee on the democratic side, to the powers that be, asking for mueller to appear because we have about 60 questions about not only obstruction, but also russian collusion and remember, the attack on our democracy continues. those facts need to be known. >> i'm curious what you make of the internal caucus dynamics with your colleagues and a lot of senators are mad at richard burr and a lot of primary threats on line and such. this is from new york reporter on what happened in the closed door lunch, he walked through
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the back story and defended his work for the people directly familiar. connell offered support for the handling of the committee. what do you think is happening here? >> the intelligence committee is doing its job. the trump, jr. contacts with konstantin kilimnik and polling data by paul manafort and negotiations on trump tower moscow, the meeting at trump tower new york and dealings with his father on the statement that obviously was misleading and deceptive in explaining that meeting. there are a slew of questions that the intelligence committee has to be focussed on. i'm not on the intelligence committee so i can't speak for that committee or richard burr, but he is doing his job. >> one question. he didn't have contact with constantine kilimnik? >> he didn't have the contact, but jump, jr. may have known about it. >> you had him before your committee and now that you had time to look through the whole
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report, do you think he lied to you when you had him before your own committee? >> there are very, very serious questions about his credibility and factualness. he should be called back to explain why he gave seemingly inaccurate answers. for example, whether he knew about the trump tower moscow negotiations. he said he had only peripheral awareness. michael cohen testimony said he was in the thick of it. those kinds of potentially misleading and inaccurate statements, i'm not drawing a conclusion about perjury, but he needs to come back. >> what are the odds is that lindsey graham calls him back? >> there will be growing pressure on the judiciary
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committee as there has been on other members of the senate because america is under attack. we are talking about accountability to stop that attack. >> all right, senator richard blumenthal, thank you. >> thank you. >> more on the potential legal woes of the other donald trump, the former federal prosecutor and legal analyst cynthia. executive editor of above the law and contributor to the nation. cynthia, what do you make of this subpoena which the timing of which and the target of which are fascinating and disruptive, given what we experienced recently. >> the first thing i would say about the subpoena is it seems unlikely to me that don, jr. will ever testify. i say that because almost any lawyer i know would recommend he assert his fifth amendment privilege. that doesn't mean he raises his hand and asserts it.
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that's not the way generally it happens. maybe they will decide to do that. generally, if a lawyer calls you and said my client will assert his fifth amendment right, it's over. the idea behind that is we don't force people to be humiliated by asserting their privileges that we hold so dear. my guess is that's going to happen after all the fighting is over. the only other thing is the timing makes a big difference. as far as deciding whether burr is bucking the system. if it was issued before majority leader made his comment about how the case was over, it doesn't mean he is bucking the system at all. i'm bordering on depressed about any chance we will hear from him. >> i think him taking the fifth seems entirely reasonable, what do you think? >> he should take the fifth, but this white privilege silver spoon treatment has to stop.
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he needs to invoke his right against self incrimination for the whole country to see. that's an important part of the process. it's no longer about humiliation. it's about finally holding the trump family accountable. at least publically put them publicly on the record from what they are doing and trying to do. a congressional subpoena is not spam. don, jr. can't crumple it up and say "i destroyed their only copy." he has to pay attention and he has two options. he can identify truthfully or show up and take the fifth amendment and we can all know he is invoking his constitutional rights and got to be one or the other. this pocket ignorance of law has
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to stop. >> i don't think cynthia's point, i think you are probably right, if he is told he will get the fifth amendment will not make him go through that production. there is unbelievable pressure being brought to bear on burr. i find it fascinating to watch. given the fact that to cynthia's point that he can just take the fifth, you can just have him take the fifth. that's his constitutional right. it's fascinating about the amount of pressure and the anger at burr for doing this. this is what donald trump the president had to say about his son earlier today. >> my son is a good person. my son testified for hours and hours. my son was totally exonerated by mueller, who frankly does not like donald trump. me. this donald trump. and frankly for my son after being exonerated to now get a subpoena to go again and speak again after close 20 hours of
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telling everybody that would listen about a nothing meeting? yeah, i'm pretty surprised. >> what do you think, cynthia? >> well, first of all, the mueller report did not exonerate him. the mueller report said as a matter of law, they didn't think he mentally could form the intent. this is a section of the mueller report i find to be a mystery. quite frankly it lays out to me like a conspiracy. i am looking forward to hearing bob mueller explain it to us. he should be looking in my opinion at charges for lying to the senate, for trying to do this campaign finance violation with the russians and looking at charms for the campaign finance violations for stormy daniels and the financing. cohen is in jail for it and nothing is happening. i am outraged about the way he
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is treated and the problem is that there is not really right now a justice department. barr is at the head of it. my level of depression is extremely high. >> this is not just about the mueller report. i don't know why republicans are freaking out about this if they had faith in their guy, trump, and his family. michael cohen blew don, jr. up in public testimony. he all but called him a liar and pointed out massive inconsistencies. if the trumps were telling the truth, don, jr. should be rushing to correct the record and to put his word against a known liar's word. i think burr was trying to help him and republicans are freaking out. >> here's the problem, elie. i agree, here's the problem in terms of putting witnesses on and going forward with cases.
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michael cohen is a convicted perjurier. should he be fined in front of a jury in you have to have a united states attorney willing to go forward. there is nobody to go forward and that's why it's a problem. it's so circular. >> junior should be willing to go up in front of the public and the senate and the congress and say michael cohen was lying. if he can't, that accrues to michael cohen's credibility, not don, jr.'s. >> particularly when michael cohen went under oath before and said what he had to say while he was facing jail time and he was now in prison. thank you both. next, so what was donald trump doing while he was losing a billion dollars over 10 years? would you believe flipping through fabric swatches? the ghost writer paints a
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picture of a bored failing businessman and joins me here in two minutes.
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two minutes. >> in the wake of the "new york times" piece, donald trump's billion with a b losses over a decade. we are still wrestling with is he a tax cheat or a stunningly bad business person? charles leerson, the ghost writer for donald trump's 1990 book, surviving at the top, shared htsz observations from the era. trump's apparent deep preoccupation with fabric swatches. to a surprisingly large extent was him looking at fabric swatches. some days he did it for hours. the main thing was that they were within his comfort zone where as the management of hotels and airlines wasn't. here's the ghost writer for surviving at the top who wrote
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trump the billion dollar loser, i was his ghost writer and i saw it happen. it was a fascinating piece because it comports with the way he is a president. what was your impressions of him at the top of his game at this point when you signed on to do this project. he is the trump of the public imagination. what did you see? >> you are right. i came into it and this was the sequel to the art of the deal. i was an outsider and that's the impression of trump that i had. a lot of people said mark burnett of the apprentice created the trump that so many people voted for. ironically, he came from a book. here's a guy who has written more books than he's read, but his image was shaped by a book, the art of the deal. i came in thinking he was golden boy, young business genius. boy, it was very hard. it took me 15 or 20 sessions to realize i was working at news
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week at the time and i would go back to the office and i can't believe it. he just didn't -- he was the trump we know, the uninformed ignorant trump we know. people were already on board and propping him up and thinking he was a genius. >> what did he actually do? you said he was spending his time on fabric swatches. what do you mean by that? >> this plays into the way he runs the country now. he sits in his office with mick mulvaney and a lot of stuff happening all over. he is o livious to it and he can't even spell kentucky and doesn't know what goes on at the department of agriculture. the plaza hotel and the trump schultz. he would buy them and there would be a lot of hoopla and he had no knowledge of thou run them. he focused on the fabric
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swatches. it played into his germophobia. he was replacing the carpets and the drapes and he was always deep cleaning the airline seats and that's what his life became. he would say what do you think of this piece of velour and i feel it and we would talk about it. at the center of this chaos was this man feeling fabric. >> you said this. one of the aides said every room in the plaza could be at the list price and the revenue would not cover the monthly payment of the loan he took out to buy the place. perhaps trump knew it because someone told him and the one thing he is above average at is compartmentalization. what is your theory about how this man managed to get through 40 years coning people?
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>> the nuts and bolts are, the banks were caught up in the whole trump image thing. they were believing the art of the deal over what they saw on his balance sheets and what came out of his mouth. for a while he was successful in atlantic city. he had a cash cow that the casinos were churning out money and covering his other mistakes. just for a few months, atlantic city went south. it's like a guy who is in over his head with his mortgage and he loses his job and he can't pay the bill. he cycles down. in trump's case, the banks came to his rescue because their reputations and their solvency existence was dependent on them saving him and propping him up. instead of foreclosing, they figured out some way to make it
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work. >> right. i thought abouted reading your account and the president tweeted about bringing firework back to mount rush more. maggie said he has been obsessed in talking about this for six months. this has been a big project. he found his fabric swatches. this is a thing that he is well equipped to handle. >> it's a little bit of a rain man thing. he gets focused and fascinated with something and it's hard to get him away from it. >> what have you been thinking as you watched this all unfold having had this experience before? >> well, i thought about how it was different and how it's the same. it was different in those days that the stakes were a lot lower. he was a real estate guy and yes, he was hurting people, contractors, and not renting to minorities and doing bad things. that was off to the side. i was not a witness to that,
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although i believe it happened. mostly he was inconsequential because he didn't have his finger on the button and was not running the world. but now, the trump i see there, in the white house and the oval office from what i can see is exactly the same guy. he shows up every day and tries to kill the time in a way that is pleasant for him until his next show comes on. now it's watching television and he would rant when he got some comment that told him the plaza hotel lost $250,000 last week and he would get excited about that for a few minutes. for him, the difference was it didn't matter. he was able to compartmentalize until that became public. until his failures were public, he felt bad about it. >> thank you for joining me. next, facebook cofounder chris hughes writes that mark
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joins me to explain why, next. is it an alternative to facebook and the private sector. >> the average american uses eight apps to stay in touch with friends from apps to e-mails. we provide a number of services. >> is twitter the same as what you do. >> it overlaps. >> you don't think you have a monopoly? >> it certainly doesn't feel like that to me. >> facebook is the largest
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social media network unlike anything else with the community of monthly active user, bigger than any human institution perhaps ever. bigger than the catholic church it. finds itself beseeched by politics and citizens and it's amidst a streamless end of stories and at the very best, utter carelessness with a platform that can be used for truly horrific ends. today a new critic emerged calling for the company to be broken up. chris hughes was a harvard roommate of zuckerberg. he wrote in the "new york times" that we are a nation with a tradition of reigning in monopoies no matter how well intentioned the leaders of these companies may be. it is time to break up facebook. joining me now is facebook cofounder, chris hughes.
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chris, why now? what's your trajectory that seven years after you left the company and it has grown enormously and had huge amounts of negative press. why have you come out with this? >> i have been on a journey myself. the scandals happen in the 2016 election and dealing with the russian hacking. due to the cambridge analytica scandal and scandal after scandal every month if not every week since. if time has gone by, i have become convinced that facebook is too big and mark is too powerful. there is a reason we keep having this pattern of mistake and outrage and then eventually disappointment and resignation. there is no real competition in social networking. that's why i think we need to break up the company and separate it and create a
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regulatory agency with user privacy and guarantee interoperability and set guidelines around harassment and bullying and the like. >> i thought analysis was interesting. you like mark zuckerberg and admire him and you call him a good and a kind man. you said you don't know if you will be friends after you publish this. you said the best human being in the world with this much power would still be a problem. this one individual controls 60% of shares for something that 2 billion people use. it's too much concentrated power. >> exactly. mark is a good person. he's a human like you and me. like all of your viewers. he makes mistakes though. we all make mistakes. because he has so much power, he alone controls a platform that 2.4 billion people use and he has no boss. facebook's board is effectively a board of advisers.
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he controls 60% of the voting shares. it's not like he can be fired. he's not really accountable to users. there is nowhere else to go. last year when there was outrage, there was the delete facebook movement and one in four of facebook users deleted it from their phone and facebook reported numbers and user numbers were literally the exact same. how did this happen? it's clear. there is nowhere else to go. i had friends of my own saying i'm so tired of facebook. i'm just thank god for instagram. not realizing that instagram is part of facebook. mark is not a bad person, but his power is too big and it's up to government to break up the company and regulate it. >> i talked to people from silicon valley and they are skeptical. they think it's a bunch of idiots. generally that they view them
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with contempt. why are you confident they can pull it off and they can break up the companies and foster the right regulatory environment. >> that are view plays into this cynicism which has been a part of our culture, i think, for decades now. that's the idea that in general markets are dynamic and productive and government is bureaucratic and gets in the way. that's what a lot of people took away from mark's congressional testimony last year. i think in reality the markets are only dynamic and fair when government steps in to structure them and make them that way. just as we regulate airlines and pharmaceutical companies and guarantee a base level of protection, so too should we do the same for private tech companies. a lot of folks in silicon valley
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want to say don't mess with us, but the time is up. there have been too many scandals and problems and now it's up to the ftc and they said they should invoke our power and the government to regulate the folks. >> what is your fear the way things are going. >> facebook will grow bigger and bigger and more and more powerful because it collects more and more data about everything that we are doing. it will grow increaingly difficult to separate the companies out and break them up. until january, instagram, what's app and facebook were administered separately. not only to avoid the antitrust conversation, but to consolidate
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the information they have across the different platforms. as more time goes by, it will be more difficult, not impossible, but it will be more difficult to break the company up and spur the competition that i think most people want to see. >> final question. it's a personal one about how you think mark zuckerberg who you consider a friend is receiving this. if you know. >> i don't know. i haven't talked to him since the piece came out. i think there is some of the parts about regulation that he might agree with. he himself said he has too much power and there should be some kind of regulation. i doubt he agrees with the idea of breaking up facebook, but in a sense the whole point in writing the piece is mark zuckerberg can't fix it. ironically, it's up to government to step in. >> chris hughes, thank you very much. i enjoyed the piece. >> thanks for having me, chris. >> an all male group of republican men tried to sneak a
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bill criminalizing abortion past the state senate and chaos ensued. an assault on women's rights happening in states across america ahead. plus the congresswoman conservatives just can't leave ooh loan. that's thing one, thing two, next.
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thing one tonight, what is at the bottom of your kitchen sink? a regular drain or big hole of
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metal teeth that can eat all your food scraps and stuff. where you live might determine the answer. kitchen sink disposals are common in many parts of the country, but many places don't have them. in new york city, garbage disposals were banned. there were concerns about the water mains and the secures being able to suddenly soggy, chopped up food. most departments have never gotten a sink lift making them. i did not see a garbage disposal until i visited my cousins in chicago. i thought it was terrifying and weird and kind of gross. other people made it into their 20s without seeing one. >> okay, everyone. i need your help because i just moved into this apartment a few months ago and i flipped this switch and it made that noise
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and it scared the daylights out of me. >> alexandria ocasio-cortez discovers the garbage disposal and the right wing goes nuts again.
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>> this week the congresswoman who drives republicans out of their minds posted i fountain endearing and goofy video. after living in a city in her new d.c. apartment. >> i need your help because i just moved into this apartment a few months ago and i flipped this switch and it made that noise and it scared the daylights out of me. i am told this is a garbage disposal. i have never seen a garbage disposal.
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i never had one in any place i ever lived. it is terrifying. i don't know what to use it for. or what its purpose is. >> now, there are all sorts of theories about why conservatives especially men are so obsessed with aoc. >> who doesn't know what a garbage disposal is? >> the only thing i can think of is maybe she lived her life as a moron. >> it's not that she never had one. i don't know what this is? this is a foreign thing. >> exactly. >> hilarious stuff and then the guy who bills himself as the run for office and he made and i'm not kidding a 10-minute long video to complain about her one-minute instagram story. >> is this girl in 6th grade or something.
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a wild scene in the alabama state senate as state republican there is attempted to basically ram through by voice vote legislation that would make it a crime punishable by up to 99 years in prison for a doctor to
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perform an abortion. democrats objected and this ensued. >> all those in favor say aye. any opposed? motion passes. >> whoa! whoa! there was no motion. you didn't even make a motion! >> he made a motion at the table. >> there was no motion from the other side. >> he made a motion. >> heck no. he didn't even make a motion! >> that motion has been tabled, but it will be back and likely to pass and be signed into law by the state's republican governor. this comes the same week that georgia was the fourth state in 2019 alone to passe six-week abortion ban. most women don't know they are pregnant at that point. georgia law could make women criminally liable for going out of state or having a miscarriage.
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in ohio, republicans are pushing legislation to ban abortion coverage from private insurance which could restrict access to contraception as well and the sponsor explain that women with ectopic pregnancies, a life-threatening condition a procedure that does not exist. >> part of that treatment would be removing the embryo from the falopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus. that's not an abortion under this bill. >> that is not a real medical procedure. all of this is unconstitutional under supreme court precedent. the point of this is now with brett kavanaugh t of this is now with brett kavanaug can overturn
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nominees on the supreme court and members of his party could do exactly what he said, punish a woman for having an abortion. prodonald trump is most likely the champion of the anti abortion movement you could find in the entire country and here he is having the court nominees achieve a decade's long goal of undoing roe v wade. joining me now to discuss what is happenings, laura bassett covering it all and caroline frederickson, president of the american constitutional society, one of the nation's leading progressive organizations. let me start with you. obviously, there has been so much activism and activity in republican states attempting to dwindle away at access. this seems a newer strategy and a more sort of frontal assault. is that what you're seeing? >> absolutely. the wave of anti abortion restrictions started in 2011 when the tea party swept the house after 2010.
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and so we've been seeing increasing amounts of abortion restrictions every year and this year it appears to be the worst. the abortion laws are getting definitely a lot more extreme. we're seeing all out abortion bans or they might as well be the one in georgia or the one in ohio might as well be the six-week bans before most women even realize they are pregnant and the reason republicans are so emboldened now because look, this heart beat ban, republicans have been trying to pass this for years. kasich a few years ago vetoed it because he said it was too extreme. it not too extreme for republicans because donald trump is president and there is a conservative supreme court and think this could get up there to the supreme court and over attorney roe. >> caroline, my understanding of the legal jurisprudence under roe, they are flatly against the law and violate roe. what is the strategy they are pursuing in terms of the legal fight here?
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>> well, you know, i think clearly they kind of mistook the tale for a how-to manuel. they are trying to land this directly at the supreme court. it sort of -- they did used to go around it and pretend what they were doing was just reasonable limitations when they always have been aiming at the heart of roe. right now, they are coming out of the darkness and doing it in broad daylight and saying that that's what they are all about. they want to overturn roe and want the supreme court with donald trump's nominees to do it for them. >> but i guess the question in a more technical sense and maybe this is a boring but i just -- like there is a district court, go to a district court. someone will sue. a judge will strike it down, and then what happens? >> well, i mean, they go to an appellate court stacked with right-wing judges of donald trump and on the express train
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to the supreme court. they indicated and we know that's what justice kavanaugh and they are waiting and the rest of them are signaling quite obviously that that the the direction that they want to go. >> laura, do you think there is -- i think among women particularly in women who are support abortion rights and active, there is a real tangible fear that we are right, we're standing at the precipice right now. where are we? >> i think women are terrified from what i'm seeing over the past couple weeks with the georgia bill. the georgia bill is unlike anything we've seen. we're talking about a bill that defines abortion as murder. it would threaten women with up to life in prison or capital punishment for an abortion. ten years in prison for going out to a different state to have an abortion and threatening women with jail time for even possibly a miscarriage. now we've got an ohio bill that the possibly banning the
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insurance coverage of birth control. i think women have gotten a bit complacent over the years thinking roe v wade was set in the '70s and saying, this is serious and we don't have a supreme court to protect us. we might actually soon be put in jail for something that used to be a common health care procedure. >> caroline, what do you think about where the supreme court is and whether they would take a case on this, a full frontal just challenge to roe, something like a comprehensive map? >> you think we might have thought differently until this term but we've already seen the supreme court issuing radical decisions and moving in a direction that seems to contemplate going to roe. people say chief justice roberts is worried about the status of the court and proceeding increatemently. we've already seen that they have indicated they are ready to undue a decision they issued a couple years ago, which found
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law and constitutional for putting real constraints on women's access to abortion and i think it could happen any time. >> and you only need four votes to take the case and the wring wrangling begins. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. that is "all in" for this evening. tonight the president's frustration comes into plain view over the subpoena for don junior and now republicans are going after one of their own, senate intel chair richard bur for making it happen. plus james comey on the two-year anniversary of his firing says tonight trump would be charged with obstruction were he not president but also says we're not in a constitutional crisis. and the backdrop to all of this, two more missiles launched by north korea and saber rattling from kim jong-un, the 11th hour


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