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that. kristen welker, thank you. at this hour, stocks headed for their worst week of the year after president trump sent out a series of tweets suggesting the trade dispute with china may not end any time soon and that's in spite of the fact that stocks bounced back, actually, after treasury secretary steve mnuchin said trade talks between the two countries had been, quote, constructive. the president's tweet storm came after u.s. tariffs on $200 billion worth of chinese goods soared today from 10% to 25%. china says it will respond with necessary countermeasures, but the president may not even be done with escalating this trade war with china. hours after that increase went into effect, the president tweeted that plans are in the works to put a 25% tariff on the other $325 billion in goods the u.s. imports from china, so critics pounced, including senator elizabeth warren. >> i don't believe in tariff
negotiation by tweet. i think that we need a comprehensive, coherent plan before eevwe ever get started a that would start with bringing our allies together so that we have maximum leverage against the chinese. the chinese are bad actors on trade, but that means that our best way to fight back is with strength and with a coherent plan. not with chaos. >> we begin our coverage with nbc's hans nichols at the white house. you heard the call for a comprehensive, coherent plan. what is the white house plan? where are we going with this? >> reporter: the white house plan seems to be to indicate that they won't take a bad deal, chris, so when you take all the president's comments, his tweets, add them all up, you have a president that doesn't want to settle and he thinks he has the upper hand in these negotiations. it's so clear when you listen to the white house officials, when you talk to them, they think china wants access to our
markets more than we need access to chinese goods. and that's the basic bottom line, which is why the president seems willing to escalate. now, there were those two hours of meetings across the street at the usgr offices earlier, the secretary treasury came out, talked about how they were constructive. that word can really mean anything. we'll have to get an official readout from the white house. we're still waiting to just hear what went down on those talks, and chris, crucially, whether or not talks are over or just over for the day. we'll see if there are any other rounds coming up. >> and you can't remove the economy from the politics. officials believe, at least white house officials, that this get tough policy on china plays well in rust belt states, all those places where trump beat hillary clinton in 2016. but i'm wondering if you're hearing any concern there about suggestions that we hear from many economists that these price hikes to everyday consumer goods could make any benefit that he sees short lived. >> reporter: the view inside the white house is the symbolism of getting tough on trade and the
symbolism of challenging china is more important to them than any short-term small democratec losses. they think over the long run it will balance itself out and what the administration clearly wants to do is rebalance trade and grow and have a stronger manufacturing base inside the economy. excuse me for talking over one of the manufacturing bases here. as you know, they sweep the leaves here very frequently at the white house so sorry. that's one job that won't go away because of any sort of china trade, chris. >> thank you so much for that, hans nichols he white house. we appreciate it. they only do, by the way, when you're on the air live. so these trade talks with china ended today without a deal, and as one market strategist put it, we're in wait and see mode right now. not exactly the deal that a lot of folks were hoping to get. cnbc's dominic chu joins us with a look at how the market are doing. so what is the mood there? how are things looking? >> this general sense of positivity is not relative, again, it's relative to what
happened for the rest of the week. remember, this is -- this could be the fifth day in a row that we would be negative for the s&p 500. it looks like perhaps we'll break that but the reason why is because there has been this wait and see approach to what's happening with trade headlines. traders and investors have been hanging on these tweets, these headlines, to see if any kind of incremental development and those incremental developments since sunday night in that tweet from president trump about putting tariffs on has been decidedly negative. but it hasn't been enough to cause panic or induce any kind of large scale selloff. we have seen a market that has revalued what's going on and as hans put it, this is one of those situations where this is going to be about feeling where the narrative is going to shift. is it going to be that president trump is going to be able to tell people that there's going to be a short-term pain for a long-term gain down the line? there is no doubt that if tariffs go into effect, consumers and u.s. small businesses and campaigns willome
footing the bill for that but is it going to be enough if they say, hey, if we do this, there's long-term gain down the line. there's a lot of concepti skepticism about that. but with an economy that's growing modestly well this is still seen as one of the best markets to do business in and that's the reason why president trump may feel as though, whether he really does or not, may feel as though he has some of that runway, if you will, to do this, an economy that's doing pretty well, a job situation that's okay and a market still near record highs. whether or not that's going to give him the ability to do it, that remains to be seen but remember, this is all about the prospects for trade down line and for right now, it still feels a little bit negative but when you have treasury secretary steven mnuchin saying constructive, you have reports of chinese vice premier saying things went fairly well, that's all putting a little bit of a bid but remember, still skepticism in the marketplace about an overarching trade deal. >> the bottom line on all this is actually your bottom line. prices will soon go up on as
many as 6,000 items and the list includes big ticket items like cars, motor boats, refrigerators, freezers, computers, furniture, mattresses. it also includes other items for your home. lamps, tables, silverware. you can add to that bicycles, fabrics, baseball gloves, handbags, sneakers, shampoo, and the tariff hike could also affect the cost of feeding your family with meat, fish, fruits and vegetables, nuts, sauces and pasta prices all expected to go up. one trade group estimates that the move could cost the average family of four an extra $767 per year. companies passing on their higher costs of chinese imports. so, that's not sitting too well with a lot of consumers. >> just frustrating because you just know that most politicians aren't familiar with what it's like to live every day, you know, in the middle class. >> you have to juggle what you can afford and what you can't afford and a lot of people can't even do that.
>> well, not only could the move affect your bottom line, it could also affect the job, trade partnership worldwide estimating nearly 935,000 jobs could be lost and job losses will be felt in every single state, they believe. so, beyond the tariffs, hiking the price you pay on thousands of items, this could also have a serious impact on businesses, obviously, that sell those products. nbc's kevin tibls joins us from amped electronics in glenville, illinois, just outside of chicago. so what are you hearing there from people about the potential impact of these tariffs? >> reporter: well, i think, chris, a lot of people are thinking that they are looking for the same optimism that you were just talking about. people here in the white goods section, washers, dryers, we've got fridges, we've got stoves, air-conditioners, many people coming into this shop today are concerned. people have been shopping at app for 83 years. this store is an institution in
the chicago area, and no matter which way you vote or who you support, the bottom line for the middle class family is something that is very important, not only to people coming in to do their shopping but also for the people who have owned and managed this store because they have to stay ahead of the competition and obviously, with these tariffs, tariffs last year on steel, for example, brought the price of one of these things up probably about $100. how much more in the future is it going to go up? many people who are here today said that they were in the store looking to buy in order to beat this new round of tariffs. and we talked to a couple and obviously politics does get involved because that seems to be what everything is about, and we have two opposing views of people that we talked to here about what's going on with these tariffs in america. >> i think that it's another burden along with our taxes that we pay to live in this country. it's going to be an added cost.
>> reporter: uh-huh. do you think you're going to hurry up your buying as a result of this. i know they're going to kick in over a period of time but are you going to buy? >> i'll buy sooner than later, which will be before the end of the month. >> our country's been taken advantage of for far too long as far as trade imbalances and trade treaties and so on and so forth, so i would like to see something happen where america first is what is the incentive. and the priority. >> reporter: do you think that's happened now with our president? >> i think he's trying. i don't know how successful it's going to be. >> reporter: what you're hearing there is a, you know, a converse of opinions with regard to these new tariffs. interestingly enough, it's all coming under the same roof in the same chicago neighborhood, the same place where people have been coming together for nearly a century to purchase goods like washers and dryers. and we've even been hearing from people saying, well, you know, if you're going to be buying these things here, why can't
they be made here? we've also heard that, as a matter of fact, well, many of the parts do come from overseas in china, many of those companies are now starting to open operations in the united states and assemble these products here and create american jobs. so, on the one hand, fear from consumers, middle class consumers in the midwest of this country, talking about how they are concerned that once again they're going to be the ones that get the knock on and are going to have to pay more and that is the case, and on the other hand, some people are saying, you know, maybe i'd be willing to pay a little bit more if this thing was made in the united states of america. back to you. >> yeah. depends how much a little bit more is, i guess, too, and what the bottom line is. kevin, thank you so much. kevin tibbles in illinois. you can see much more of his reporting, by the way, on "nightly news" with lester holt later on tonight. and joining us now to take a look at the bigger picture here is lynette lopez.
let's start with the politics of this because there is no doubt that the president believes, you know, we heard this, that the president believes the strong economy is his biggest asset going into 2020. given that, how big a gamble is this? >> if this tanks the economy, this is a pretty big gamble. economists are saying that if this really goes hay wire, if we put tariffs on those over $500 billion worth of chinese goods and china retaliates in ways that i'll get into later but if this happens, we could take half a percentage point off gdp, we could slow the u.s. economy and we could slow the global economy because the reality is, we don't really know what happens if china goes into a severe slowdown. we do know that it is integrated itself into the global economy more than it ever has in the history -- in chinese history, but we don't know what it's like to have a bad china slowdown. we had it in the '90s during the global financial crisis, china took on a bunch of debt so that it wouldn't have to deal with the factors and now, like, well, now what do we do?
people are really worried. >> and you've spoken to people in china because we heard from chinese officials who say there will be some retaliation to come. what's that likely to look like? >> well, you know, as donald trump likes to say often, the chinese don't buy as many of the u.s. goods as we buy chinese goods so if they retaliate against us with tariffs it's not going to be as meaningful. what they could do is mess with american companies in china, make it harder for them to get licenses, make it harder for them to purchase raw goods, just make their life a little bit miserable and kind of stir the chinese population into a little bit of a frenzy, get them to boycott american goods. the chinese government has a very tight hold over social media and it can really control messaging and what people think in the country. >> it was interesting to hear the second guy that kevin tibbles talked to and i think there is widespread belief among democrats and republicans across the board on capitol hill and elsewhere that china has gotten the better part of this deal. is this really not about that,
it's not about people believing, oh, we actually have been getting the best of china, it's about what do we do about it and what are the other alternatives? >> sure. and this is something that we should probably say, hey, remember the trans-pacific partnership? i think that if maybe we had joined that, we would have more leverage because we would have a unified body of countries that surrounded china that could exert pressure on china if they were experiencing the same things that the u.s. is, which many of them are. the theft of intellectual property, unfairness and favoritism from the chinese government to chinese corporations. this is the way the chinese economy and the chinese government work. this is how they've grown. it's going to be very hard to shake them from these practices. the fact that the united states is saying, we want you to pass x, y, and z laws to make sure that our companies are safe and to open up your markets is offensive in a lot of ways to the chinese communist party.
so when they change the rules to the agreement at the last moment, they were thinking that donald trump really wanted a deal really badly because that's what he said, right? he said, i want a deal. i'm the deal maker, i can make this happen. i think he overestimated how much he wanted a deal and i think maybe donald oversold it. they also thought he thinks, you know, the american economy is weak because he keeps pressing for low interest rates. he must think it's weak. he doesn't really think the u.s. economy is weak. we know that he thinks it's strong. he's been talking out of two sides of his mouth and that confused the chinese. >> so, just final 30 seconds or so, it's going to be, what, weeks, maybe even months before we really feel this bottom line because it's not until it's the clock struck midnight this morning, last nights, however you want to look at it, that these new tariffs went into effect so we're going to see through the negotiations what actually happens. >> watch out forr escalation.
>> linette, thank you so much. up next, president trump's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, admits he's, quote, meddling in an investigation in ukraine of former vice president joe biden's son, one he hopes will benefit trump himself. we'll have those details after the break. plus we're live at two campaign events on the trail with elizabeth warren and kirsten gillibrand as they reach out to early voters in two primary states. you're watching msnbc. discover.
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it is highly unethical for the president's personal lawyer to go meet with officials from a foreign government to see if they can influence, somehow, the upcoming presidential election. we've had enough of that, and rudy giuliani should just back off. >> well, despite a grueling two-year investigation into foreign interference, trump's personal attorney is calling on a foreign government, ukraine, to investigate joe biden's son. rudy giuliani telling "the new york times," "we're not meddling in an election, we're meddling in an investigation which we have a right to do. i'm asking them to do an investigation that they're already doing and that other people are telling them to stop and i'm going to give them reasons why they shouldn't stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client and may turn out to be helpful to my government." so how does the former vice president feel about being the
blatant target of this kind of oppo research as giuliani gets ready to travel the kiev. joining me now, mike, give us the back story about the investigation, what giuliani's talking about. >> reporter: yeah, chris, well, the part of this that relates to hunter biden is incredibly complicated and we have been doing some reporting on this for some time as have some other outlets but there are two pieces that according to "the new york times" rudy giuliani is cre interested in here. the first part of this is involving the clinton campaign and whether there was any information passed between ukrainian government officials or citizens to the clinton campaign that eventually found its way into what is now novichok known as the mueller investigation. but the second piece, as it relates to hunter biden, the broad contours of this are as follows. in the spring of 2014, hunter biden, the vice president's second son, took a board position of a ukrainian energy company owned by a former
government minister. at the same time vice president, as a member of the obama administration, was taking the lead for the administration in helping to respond to the real government crisis that was going on there at the time and the connection that allies of president trump, including mr. giuliani, are trying to make now is that there was this investigation under way of barisma, the company hunter served on the board with, at the same time that joe biden was encouraging the firing of the state's top prosecutor. now, i've been talking to former obama administration officials and they say not only was the firing of this top prosecutor something that was a priority of the obama administration but it was also of western allies and no one has been able to demonstrate yet that the vice president was acting on his son's interests rather than the interests of the government and its allies. >> mike, more to come on this. thank you so much. meantime, there's a new poll out from monmouth university and it shows that joe biden once
again is ahead of the democratic opposition. in this case, it's new hampshire and he's far ahead. for the story behind the numbers, let me bring in nbc's national political correspondent, steve kornaki. he's had a series of good polls so that's one part of it. the other part of it is people saying, well, it's early. tell us what you see in these numbers. >> yeah, this is significant, too, i think, because we talked about biden getting a bounce nationally since he got into the race but what about these early states where all the candidates have been for a while now, where they're very plugged in and focused, at least a little bit more than maybe some folks are nationally and there has been a biden bounce in new hampshire as well, doubling up, bernie sanders, 36, 18 in new hampshire. bernie sanders is a next door neighbor in new hampshire and he won the new hampshire primary in 2016 with 61% of the vote. now, though, biden starts out 18 points ahead of sanders. also note elizabeth warren, another neighbor in new hampshire, massachusetts, boston media market spills over into southern new hampshire, massachusetts democratic candidates usually have won the new hampshire primary, think of
kerry, dukakis but here's warren in single digits. for biden, that's a good place to be starting here. one thing we're also seeing in this poll is something we've seen nationally, a formidable difference when you start looking at age. age of the respondents. so check this out. 18 to 49-year-olds, joe biden actually isn't even in first place in new hampshire. bernie sanders is. 27% to 20% over biden. now let's go to the next group, 50 to 64 years old and everything starts to change. look at that, biden leaps almost doubles up, sanders off a little bit there and then go to the oldest group here, 65-plus and holy smokes, 53% to 9%, biden leads. this is the thing. more than half of the electorate is on this side of the age divide and biden is cleaning up that much. it allows him to clean up overall. the other interesting thing they asked about here in new hampshire and this could be key to joe biden's chances, remember how much he has leaned on this argument that he's ultimately electable, this idea that he can
beat donald trump, that he would be the safest bet. think what you will of that argument, but when you ask voters in new hampshire, would you rather have a candidate who you agree with on the issues but might struggle against donald trump, 25% say, yeah, i'm willing to take a chance. i'd rather have someone i know where they are on policy and i agree with it. but how about a candidate i disagree with but who would beat trump. look at that. more than two-thirds there saying that's who they'd rather have. biden has been trying to create that perception, that is uniquely electable among the democrats in this race, and what you see here is there is an appetite for electability among democratic voters, a strong appetite for it. >> number one thing. the other thing i find interesting about this is we keep talking about how much young people have been energized in the post-2016 world, 2018, they saw some successes, but still, it's going to be fascinating to see in the primaries. that has traditionally been the old school, older voter, that's where biden's killing it.
those young people would really have to step up significantly to be able to balance that out. >> and it's just a reminder, too, i think, we talk so much, that question's been raised, has the democratic party moved on from joe biden, but again, so much of the media attention, so much of the attention sort of in the political world is about the younger voters, the more liberal voters, the activists, that's the big story but we forget, again, just by the numbers, there is another democratic party out there that doesn't get as much attention, maybe, but yeah, if they turn out in big numbers they turn out for biden, that could be enough for him. >> they tend to vote in those primaries. always great having you. thank you so much. breaking news, the president just tweeted about the status of trade talks with china. i guess, in some ways, saying pretty much what steve mnuchin says. he wrote, over the course of the past two days the united states and china have held candid and constructive conversations on the status of the trade relationship between both countries. the relationship between president xi and myself remains a very strong one and
conversations into the future will continue. in the meantime, the united states has imposed tariffs on china which may or may not be removed depending on what happens with respect to future negotiations. now, the dow has jumped in just the past couple of moments and we're going to continue to keep an eye on the markets as we approach the closing bell. but coming up, despite president trump trying to close the book on the russia investigation, some members of his party are pushing back on the call to move on. you're watching msnbc. c.ster a d is choosing to nurture and emotionally support children in urgent need. it's not just about opening up your home; it is also about opening up your heart. consider fostering.
house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler now says that special counsel robert mueller will not be testifying next week. but nadler says they are still negotiating with mueller's team and democrats are mapping out their next move. >> we've never had this before in american history, so far as i know. there are obviously going to have to be perhaps from our committee, certainly other committees there are going to be other contempt citations to enforce subpoenas. >> as for the president's next move, hard to say, since he continues to flip-flop over whether he'd oppose mueller's testimony leading to a funny comment from the man he fired
almost exactly two years ago, james comey. >> bob mueller's no friend of mine. i had conflicts with him. we had a business dispute. we had somebody that is in love with james comey. he liked james comey, they were very good friends, supposedly best friends. >> is mueller in love with you? >> i respect him. i don't think we have that kind of relationship. >> you just want to be friends. >> he's certainly not -- yeah. he's certainly not obsessed with me in the way some others seem to be. >> oh, and then you have that nasty rift among republicans after one of their own, the senate intel chairman, richard burr, subpoenaed the president's son, donald trump jr., for a second round of testimony about the trump moscow project and that 2016 trump tower meeting. joining me the from capitol hill to talk about all of this is nbc's kelly o'donnell. so, let's start with the mueller testimony. is there any real sense of where exactly we stand, what the hold-up might be, when it might
happen? >> reporter: not many answers but we know next week will not be it and one potential reason for that is robert mueller remains an employee of the department of justice and we don't know exactly how long it will take for him and his team to sort of close up shop. certainly, the report has been transmitted to the public, but there are some ongoing investigations and there is the recordkeeping of sort of winding down that office. the special counsel office. so, when he is no longer an employee of the department of justice, that might be one opportunity to make it an easier move for congress to get him to appear. right now, as an employee of the department of justice, you could have resistance from the white house because it's part of the executive branch. so, that may give us some insight on the waiting game for mueller. >> and then there's the possibility of don junior coming back for testimony at that news conference yesterday, the president called the mueller report the bible which, i mean, it might indicate he doesn't
have necessarily the clearest view of what's in pretty much all of part two. but anyway, back to the president yesterday. take a listen. >> my son's a very good person, works very hard. the last thing he needs is washington, d.c. i think he'd rather not ever be involved. he's now testified for 20 hours or something, a massive amount of time. the mueller report came out. that's the bible. the mueller report came out and they said he did nothing wrong. >> and yet, trump junior is reportedly exasperated, that's in the "washington post," and his family is out there defending him. >> reporter: well, it's understandable. >> this is over. the mueller report is complete. this is harassment of our family, harassment of the president. >> so, let me ask you about what you know best which is the folks on capitol hill. how divided are republican senators on this, kelly, and how much pressure is there on senate
majority leader mitch mcconnell to just stop this in its tracks? >> reporter: well, there's plenty of pressure and it's certainly reasonable that family members are going to defend one of their own but that's separate from the facts and the issues here. the chairman of the committee, the senate intelligence committee, richard burr, is well regarded. he has the authority to issue this subpoena, which was done in mid-april, and it's not about the mueller report. it is likely about inconsistencies that may exist between what is printed in the mueller report about the donald trump jr. contributions to all of this and his own testimony previously for which transcripts are public, of his account of what went on. i spoke with mark warner, who's the democrat in charge with richard burr of this committee and he talked about things like, any witness would be invited back if there were questions that linger or inconsistencies that surface. that might be one explanation. he also talked about this committee wants to help formulate law going forward to make it, for example, a legal
requirement to notify the fbi if a foreign government tries to reach out to you during a campaign. of course, donald trump jr. is not of the ways of washington as his father described but he was certainly a big part of the campaign and continues to be a part of the president's campaign, often out on the trail not only for his father but on behalf of other republican candidates so one of the prescriptions in all of this might be that the committee will recommend to the larger senate and congress to make it a legal requirement to notify the fbi if foreign entities try to offer help during a campaign. that could be part of it as well, trying to learn more about those interactions now that we're done. so the president likes to say this is a redo. it's actually its own lane, a sliver of the whole mueller report and russia investigation, but it is serious business and mitch mcconnell can say it will end fine, but he doesn't have jurisdiction over this. it really is the committee that
gets to decide. >> kelly o'donnell, as always, thank you so much. let me bring in msnbc contributor joe, former special prosecutor. let's start with what we've heard from many republicans, often republicans up for reelection next year. they've been criticizing burr very publicly for the don junior subpoena, saying, look, he's already testified, move on. does don junior have any wiggle room here? what do you see happening? >> no, don junior is a private citizen, he is subject to the law, as is every other citizen in america, and this is not a redo. this is congress looking at different things than mueller looked at. mueller was looking at whether there were evidence of crimes, whether elements of a statute had been violated. this has a completely different purpose, and it's not even a redo of what he testified to in the past before the same organizations, because they now have additional information and
it is not at all uncommon to bring back a witness to ask follow-up questions to resolve inconsistencies between their own testimony and other facts or other witnesses' testimony. >> they brought back jared kushner for a second time. >> yes. >> but there -- if you talk to the president supporters, they'll say, look, there's what you can do, which is issue these subpoenas and there's what you should do. i think john cornyn speaks for a lot of those republicans, he says he wasn't even aware a subpoena was issued and so it smacks of politics. take a listen. >> my understanding is mr. trump jr. has cooperated extensively with the committee. i can understand his frustration. this smacks of politics and i think we have an important job to do to try to keep the intelligence committee out of politics and just keep ourselves focused on our mission, which is oversight of the intelligence community and finding out what went wrong and how we can stop it in the future.
>> so, mueller has said he's not developed any evidence that the participants in the 2016 trump tower meeting were familiar with the foreign contribution ban and did not indict donald trump jr. that's what the president has pointed to. so is this just politics? >> i don't think it's just politics. i think that we have a real problem with what happened in our elections. this is now a question of counterintelligence, and he was right when he said that we need to know what happened so that we don't let it happen again. congress needs to take action. you had suggested that maybe they would pass a rule that says you must notify the fbi if you are contacted by any foreign power or even a foreign citizen. you cannot take things from a foreign country. and don junior's contacts with russia, both in terms of the moscow tower, in terms of the meeting at trump tower in june, are significant indicia of whether russia had some
influence on the trump campaign. i think it is definitely worth bringing him back and asking him questions as a patriotic citizen, he should care about russia interfering in the elections and he should want to cooperate. he should come back voluntarily. >> jill wine-banks, always good to talk to you. thank you so much. coming up, we may still be 543 days until the 2020 presidential election, that's right, 543 more days, but 4 of these nearly 2 dozen democratic candidates are dominating media headlines. we'll tell you who after the break. and we're live with elizabeth warren and kirsten gillibrand who is -- there she is right there, meeting with voters. they are in ohio and new hampshire, two states that come up pretty early in the primary voting calendar. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. you're wa. uh-oh, looks like someone's still nervous about buying a new house. is it that obvious? yes it is. you know, maybe you'd worry less if you got geico to help with
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in the jam packed field of democratic hopefuls, four democrats are grabbing the most media attention, fascinating results from an analysis conducted for politico. they looked at hundreds of thousands of news sources online globally ranging from the associated press and the "wall street journal" to broadcast websites, local outlets and community newspapers. the four candidates with the most mentions are bernie sanders, joe biden, kamala harris, and elizabeth warren. in fact, those four got more than half of the primary candidates' traditional media
mentions. as for the other candidates, kirsten gillibrand, amy klobuchar, cory booker, each accounting for 5% to 10% of those news mentions. surprisingly, neither beto o'rourke nor pete buttigieg hit more than 5%. now, if you focus just on social media, sanders and harris together account for nearly half of the primary field's mentions. it is another busy day for 2020 democrats, two of them at live events going on right now. just moments ago, senator elizabeth warren kicked off a meet and greet in chilicothe, ohio, about an hour south of columbus. ali vitali joins us now. what are we hearing about? >> reporter: yeah, chris, what you're seeing behind me through the crowd is standing room only for elizabeth warren here in ohio and this is her second stop today where she's highlighting her plan on combatting the opioid crisis and i want to show you something that happened here but that also happened at the
first start of the day in kermit, west virginia, when elizabeth warren asks about the real impact of the opioid crisis. listen. >> anybody in here know someone who's been lost to addiction? who's got a problem. oh my god. yeah. if someone you love came to see you, a brother, a niece and said, i get it, i need help. if i don't get some help, this is -- none of this is going to work. do you realize that across this country, they would have a less than 1 in 5 chance of getting the medical treatment that they need. >> reporter: and chris, i know that you and i both know that there is a massive toll taken by this epidemic but when you sit in these rooms and you see these hands just fly up when elizabeth warren asks that question, it really hammers home the point
that this is a crisis happening in america and she is doing this tour to both highlight that and to give herself a chance to talk about the new plan she just introduced in congress with elijah couplings which is $110 billion over 10 years to do treatment and prengs bvention b also to arm these communities. it's not just about treatment and prevention. she has been really, really harsh here, saying she wants to hold the drug companies and ceos accountable as well. >> ali vitali in ohio for us. thank you. meantime, senator kirsten gillibrand is out trying to breakthrough in battleground territory. shaquille brewster joins us live. how are voters responding? >> reporter: hi there, chris, yes, senator gillibrand is in this cafe right inside. we're going to send you inside as i stay out so i don't interrupt the event but just take a look at the interaction that you're having. she's having a meet and greet at
this cafe. she's taking questions, telling her story, allowing voters to be able to press her and really just talk to her and have that direct interaction with candidates and i want to emphasize, these are new hampshire voters, so throughout the day, i've heard from several who have had several -- multiple interactions with presidential candidates, this is just something that -- and as jeff goes through the door there, that's just an example of how voters are being able to meet candidates, go inside, ask them questions directly and i've met several today who say that this is their fourth or fifth presidential candidate that they have gotten to talk to and ask a question to directly. that's what gillibrand is banking on right now. we mentioned that monmouth poll that came out that showed gillibrand at just under 1% of democratic voters earning less than 1% of support from democratic voters here and this is how she thinks she's going to change it, by having these meet and greets, being able to talk to voters drelirectly and she thinks she can do it one voter at a time. >> thanks so much. appreciate it. we just got some video in.
we want to show it to you, but let's set the stage, okay? russian president vladimir putin is known for his very deliberate public displays of machismo, hunting bare chested, not to mention swimming in icy waters. well, earlier today, the russian president participated in his country's annual exhibition hockey game. everything seemed to be going as planned. putin even scored eight goals. i mean, would you want to be the goalie who blocked the president's shot? anyway, when putin took a skate around the rink to wave to his adoring fans, ow. that's what happened. took a tumble. the russian president didn't seem to see the little bit of carpet there. putin did pop back up, though, doesn't seem to be hurt. maybe just his pride. up next, house speaker nancy pelosi says we are in a constitutional crisis, but she's holding off on pushing for the
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they're not sure what will work so they're trying a bunch of different avenues. but the other strategy i think is to try to put forward a bill and see if it can make it to the house floor that puts republicans in a position they have to vote for or against it and the democrats, of course, will try to make that a vote about whether or not republicans support accountability and transparency and the role of congressional over sight and try to make it a message vote and message bill for them. >> so you have nancy pelosi who's looking at the landscape and she says that we are in a constitutional crisis, yet she's still not ready to go there with impeachment. so i guess the question becomes, if a constitutional crisis isn't enough to say it's time to pursue impeachment, what's the trigger? >> well, i talked to a bunch of republicans this week for a story about this very fact. and the people that i talked to thought that we weren't in a constitutional crisis just yet.
what was happening is we were certainly building the blocks towards it. but it wasn't there yet. so it sort of remains to be seen. what i think we've seen is the white house has completely stone walled all of congress' efforts so far at oversight. the president excerpted executive privilege for the first time over the mueller report on wednesday. the treasury department has not released his tax returns so we've seen quite a bit of stone walling this week and i think these decisions will end up in the courts, but they still have to work their way through the system. the strategy in the white house is to put the democrats in a tough place where they have to either impeach or sort of drop it. trump is going to go to the wall on this and he wants to force democrats to play that game, too. >> from the republicans you're talking to, if they had their druthers, would they like to see impeachment? did they feel it plays to their benefit? >> i think that republicans definitely feel like in 2020,
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it's 4:00 in new york. it's donald trump's ukraine, are you listening moment? the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, who was the very first to defend the president when robert mueller's report revealed more than 140 contacts between the trump campaign and russia is heading to ukraine to dig up dirt on the democratic front runner and his family. it's a story you have to hear a few times to believe. on the very same morning donald trump bestowed the honor of a double insult nickname in a man who beats donald trump in head-to-head poles, sleepy creepy joe biden. we heard that rudy giuliani is heading to ukraine to meddle in two foreign investigations. he'll reportedly meet with the president elect to urge him to pursue inquiries that allies of the white house contend c