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threat of more to come. georgia boycott. the state where "avengers: end game" and many more blockbusters were shot now facing a major boycott from several film companies. t the uproar of the anti-abortion bill just signed into law. will it have an impact. congressional testimony from former white house counsel don mcgahn. it all came after bombshell reports that officials wanted don mcgahn to testify that donald trump asked him to obstruct justice. now house judiciary committee chair jerry nadler is determined to find out what really happened while firing off a stern warning for mcgahn. >> we've subpoenaed mcgahn and we're expecting him to show up on the 21st.
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and if he doesn't, he'll be subject to contempt. unless he has a court order telling him he can't, which i don't think he would get. and we have -- he has to respect the rule of law like everybody else. >> the bottom lines are drawn. nbc's mike vacaria is following the story from the white house. good morniafternoon, mike. >> congress threatening to hold don mcgahn in contempt. really, this gets to the nut to the question of whether there was obstruction. famously in the mueller report, robert mueller and his investigators came to the conclusion that they could not exonerate president trump on that count. they largely left it to bill barr and the congress to decide what they wanted to do about it, and a lot of that comes from these two phone calls that don mcgahn received from president
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trump early in 2017 just after the special counsel had been appointed. mcgahn called it home, according to the mueller report, where president trump told him to get in touch with deputy attorney rod rosenstein and see what he could do about getting robert mueller sacked, getting rid of the special counsel. a lot of people look at that and say prima facie, that is obstruction of justice in itself. mcgahn told mueller that he did not believe that what president trump did rose to the threshold of obstruction, and with the white house, the white house story was they were simply trying to get mcgahn to put out a statement to that effect. this after the attorney general had sent the mueller report to the white house so they could check it out before it has public relief. they tweeted, we did not see this as a threat of any kind.
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candace? >> it is keeping you busy there in washington. for more on this, let's bring in cynthia epsiny and katie fang, nbc legal contributor and also washington correspondent for the "new york times" and msnb contributor. katie, could mcgahn face any legal implications for not testifying? >> i mean, don mcgahn should testify. he is being sent a message from congress, if not told, you need to show up. don mcgahn doesn't work as an employee of the white house anymore. he really should go and testify. he's represented by counsel who should advise him on what he should or should not do. but weather don mcgahn thinks
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mcgahn's interpretation could be an interpretation. we as lawyers look at facts and look at evidence, and we can basically spin it the way that we want to. but donald trump p to me that's black and white. it clearly shows that don mcgahn was sent as an emissary for donald trump to get rid of robert mueller, and he did not want robert mueller to do his job. >> and there was a point when mcgahn was considering publicly protecting trump from obstruction of justice claims, but then refused after the mueller report was released? what are you hearing? >> i think donald trump is caught in a pincher here. he does not want to damage his own reputation, he does not want to anger president trump, but he
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doesn't want president trump to go after his law license for violating attorney/client privilege or even just telling his company not to give him any business at the law firm. all he can do is hope this becomes a fight between congress and the white house that he can watch from the sidelines rather than being caught in the crossfire. >> it's definitely a fight between the white house and congress. it is yet to be seen whether mcgahn will be able to avoid it. cynthia, here's a president just a few weeks ago. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. >> but we know from the mueller report in january 2018, that donald trump pressured him into firing the special counsel. is there anything the legislative branch could do about it? >> sure.
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if the legislative rmpl obstruction of justice, then he could go forward with impeachment. the president on the one hand is trying to get mcgahn to exonerate heim while the president is saying he lied to robert mueller. it's kind fd arnld. they're also attacking him to try to get him to give a statement. like so many other federal prosecutors, i signed the former federal prosecutor manifesto this week which said we concluded, after looking at the evidence, that the president has obstructed justice. in the core of that is that the president had instructed mcgahn, not once, twice device in on all
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of this together. >> i was called by another form erld, and i said yes and completely agreed with it. >> mueller won't testify. say he contradicts barr's entire statement. can mcconnell and other republicans actually say the case is closed? >> what we're talking about is in barr's testimony last week or a week and a half ago, he said, when it came out finally that mueller himself had protested the way that barr had portrayed the findings of his investigation in that notorious four-page letter on march 24th which selectively and misleadingly omitted certain things to make things look better for trump than the actual report. and mueller wrote letters to him
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and. why don't you just out what you've done here. barr claims to congress that mueller did not say anything was at were. so congress topts it even lindsay gram has remembehis por of that. is his job in jeopardy if mueller says, no, that's not what it says, it's misleading. there are very few republicans in the senate that would vote to remove president trump. i don't think mr. barr is going to be impeached and removed under the present political alignment in congress. >> katie, in the meantime, former director james comey is weighing in on barr, for the first time, actually, since the mueller report was released.
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watch what he had to say. >> i think he acted in a way that was less honorable the way he described it in writing and described it in a press conference and continues talking about it like he's the president's lawyer. it's a political appointment by the president, but you lead an institution that belongs to the american people and not the president. it doesn't make me happy to say this, but i think he has lost most of his marbles. >> barr is playing partisan politics in a job that is never supposed to be one-sided. he is top enforcer to the land. he is not special counsel to donald trump. it completely undermines the integrity of an institution. people like cynthia, people like me, when we worked as prosecutors, we cared about what happened to the rule of law. so to have barr come forward and take one-sided position on
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okay, so think about this for a second. before a single vote is cast in the presidential nominations, a new "star wars" movie will have been released, a new super bowl winner will be crowned and punxsutawney phil will have made his prediction for next spring. there are contenders across five states today, including elizabeth warren in ohio. allie is with her. >> the point of this in the first place was to talk about the opioid epidemic and what she would do to combat it.
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she is going to put that in state and local communities on the front lines fighting this crisis. but it wasn't just that, the idea of treatment and prevention and how that factors into health care that came up at these town halls and events over the last few days. she was asked about abortion and how she would protect women's rights to choose. >> let me ask you this. this is a difficult decision for any woman who faces it. and she should be able to call on whoever she wants to help her make that decision. her partner, her family, her priest or her pastor or her rabbi, whomever she wants. but the one thing i'm sure of is the government should not be making that decision. >> reporter: and candace, in talking to voters here, yeah, it's early, they're not sure who they want to vote for yet, but many people are wearing some branded clothing with the "she
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persisted" slogan and some things she plans to lean in on in the campaign here. but she talks policy. yeah, it's always a little risky when you go down that hole of specificity, but it's something people want to hear about. the voters say that's what they would like to hear from other candidates they're considering as well. >> the other candidates are realizing that and picking up on the fray. stephanie brown james, welcome to all of you. stephanie, elizabeth is definitely having a moment. we see her right there on the cover of "time" magazine. her town halls are increasingly crowded, and in the latest polls, she was third right behind bernie sanders and joe
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biden. what is behind her surge? >> she's had an incredible surge these past few weeks. a lot of that is because she is speaking directly to issues that matter most to democrats, and not just left-leaning democrats but also democrats who are squarely in the middle. she's talking about economic solutions to lift up the middle f. you're campaigning in the midwest, tleezish that are voting right but also with people of color, the base of the democratic party. for her to kf constantlily that
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directly taking on kamala harris. take a listen. >> this president isn't trying to make america great, he's trying to make america hate. >> an interesting strategy because i do recall from her kickoff campaign speech, she didn't talk about the president at all. is this strategy going to pay dividends for harris and should other candidates follow? tina? >> oh, sorry. absolutely, yes, i think it will. there's two things kind of at play, right? you have the democratic electorate who is very interested in a candidate that will take on trump definitively. she's clearly setting that up on her wonderful take about barr. and then you have her taking him on a quite a few issues. they love to see this person who is trained in law enforcement and really understands the law being able to sdmoond run as the
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only african-american president with a base of candidates who have led on the ground and nationally. it's just smart play, especially when you go into states like south carolina and other areas of the south in order to achieve a better nomination. >> beto o'rourke is hiring the former beto chief, jeff berman. do you think this makes for a contentious convention? >> i think it will be out of three things. for beto.
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ly. it's going to come down to the science of elections, it's going to come down to the delegate process. for him to be declared a clear winner ouchlt. he's not for getting it's also going to come down to the science of elections as well. >> i imagine that means this campaign is going to continue on into next summer. can you believe it. in the meantime, former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams. she delivered the address. li listen to this. >> in between, my responsibility is to do the work to make those things real. >> tina, can we get your reaction to all of that. is she running? your reaction to all of this. >> i think she's made it clear
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that she's keeping her options open for 2020. her experience liens more to deck krakt executives. i love her because i think she will show us how to really run a presidential campaign. she appeals very well to policies important to our party right now, and she's also the first african-american woman to get a democratic response, really showing the way to how we can do that effectively. >> she ruled out a senate run so that just leaves a few things for her. mate matina brown and stephanie james, thanks for being with us. parts of texas are flooded
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flood fears in texas. roads in houston have turned into rivers and the city is bracing for another onslaught of heavy rains. flash flood watches are in effect for 20 million people, from texas to mississippi, until tonight. torrential rain pounded the gulf coast for days this week, causing widespread power outages and prompting dozens of water rescues. nbc's morgan chlesky explains how people are preparing for the next round of storms. >> reporter: houston on high alert. the city facing a de javu of flooding waters. two barges hit head on in the ship channel, causing a fuel spill. every major storm now brings
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flashbacks to when her home looked like this, the aftermath of hurricane harvey. >> i'm nervous but we're prepared. >> reporter: the bayou city prone to flooding almost by design. a flat, densely populated area just above sea level where heavy r rainfall overwhelms drainage systems, spilling into neighborhoods. already a state of emergency, heavy rain prompting water rescues. this woman saved by road crews after driving into deceptively sdeep water. in mississippi, residents are rushing to clean up after high winds toppled trees into one home after another. back in texas, the first wave of storms are expected this afterno afternoon, just days after a whole month's worth of rain fell on thursday. >> rain, sleet or snow. stay safe. >> reporter: staying safe the motto for everyone with another round of unpredictable weather well on its way. >> thanks to morgan chlesky
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right there. meteorologist janessa webb joining me right now. looking at the radar, it doesn't look like an end is coming any time soon. >> this is a prolonged event for the next 36 to 48 hours. we have several states under the radar for torrential downpours. it's starting to push out of southeastern texas but really headed toward louisiana. over 8 inches of rain have already fallen towards baton rouge and new orleans. we have 21 million under flood watches and warnings here throughout your afternoon into sunday as well. now, the threat for the severe weather is enhanced due to these temperatures coming out of the gulf here, so we're going to see this line of storms continue to move to the east, the carolinas. they're up next. candace? >> this is the worst flooding they've seen in more than 90
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. the fight for the president's financial records escalating. house ways and means chairman fired off more subpoenas, demanding that treasury
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secretary hand over six years of donald trump's returns. the democrats want them by 6:00 p.m. friday or else. or else what? and if they reject the subpoenas, a court fight could start yet again with a balance of powers over congress and the white house. kirk bordello, think tank news contributor. the house ways and means chairman, richard neil, put out a statemen a statement. he believes that this action gives us the best opportunity to succeed and obtain the requested material. is the law on his side with this? >> it's very clearcut using the word "shall," meaning they shall produce the tax returns. the nuance is where i think the
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pushback is and whether this is a legitimate overall function in that we're not yet at the impeachment process. i think a lot of people feel that if the democrats were openly saying they were thinking about a possible impeachment that that would be a legitimate reason to obtain the tax returns as they were. you can go either way. >> it's a game of chicken, i guess, in essence, out there in washington. kirk, as you know, they put a deadline for secretary mnuchin out there. do you think he'll challenge this subpoena? >> yeah. i think what we're seeing right now is the administration's de facto stands on anything related to subpoenas is to fight it, to obstruct it. the edict has been put out by the president. he calls it presidential harassment. the secretary himself defying a subpoena to produce the mueller report, whether it's subpoenas
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to produce documents to the mueller report, and we're seeing that this administration is not going to cooperate with any oversight of congress. >> i'm fascinated by the move that new york state pulled off. new york state, the senate, passed a bill that would make it easier for congress to obtain president trump's state tax returns. what would his state tax returns tell us about his federal tax returns? if you could both weigh in on that. >> likely there would have to be a lot of duplicate material in the state tax return, so there would be things that are similar in the federal tax returns. if you care about the rule of law and you care about the constitution and you say that that's something that you care about as a country, expo fa cto laws, this is an idea in the legal world, they're not constitutional. you can't have a law targeted at a specific person and apply it retroactively.
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>> it was a broad line -- >> i'm saying it applies to any elected official, obviously, but we all know the point of this law. michelle obama says, when they go low, you go high. why get down on their level? again, if you want to uphold constitutional values in the republic, don't do things like this. >> but what if it works? >> i understand the impulse and it may very well work. the question is what precedent are you setting? >> i think the issue here is the much broader picture. why do we want these tax returns? because for the first time we have a president who we don't know what his financial interest is. we don't know how he's profiting while being in public office. we don't know what debts he has. these are very serious questions that america has the right to know what the answer is, and we know, having worked that oversight as a republican, the republicans never would have allowed barack obama or hillary clinton to get away with this. >> does the state have to get involved in this in the meantime? >> the state has the right to pass any laws it wants and i
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firmly believe in state sovereignty here. there is nothing illegal about what they're doing. they have a right to do whatever they want. and i think that the president is going to look worse and worse coming up with reasons to hide his tax returns. i think that's what this is about. it's giving donald trump as many reasons as possible to say no, i want to keep these hidden from the american people. >> and the fight will go on. i'm still curious to know whether new york will be successful in this. >> we'll find out. >> our thanks to carolyn pelosi and kirk bor derks llo. moments ago donald trump tweeted, i won the 2016 election partially based on no tax returns while i am under audit, which i still am. and the voters didn't care. now the radical left democrats want to again relitigate this matter. make it a part of the 2020 election! judith chiu, member of the house ways and means committee and
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small business committee is joining he am now. congresswoman, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> what do you make of the president's tweet? >> well, i think the real question is do the american people care whether the president has obeyed the law? i have to obey the law, you have to obey the law, we all have to obey the law. and the president has to obey the law by making sure that we know whether he's paid his taxes. that is the question that is at hand. we want to know whether he's paid his fair share of taxes, whether he has had foreign contributions -- >> the american people, congresswoman, want to know whether or not he's obeying the law. the point the president is putting out there is that it's already been litigated with the 2016 election. he didn't put out his taxes and people voted him in. >> well, he didn't show whether his taxes actually were compliant. he was able to sidestep that, but i do think the american people do care about whether
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this president has actually obeyed the law. that's what we are trying to find out. and that is, in fact, our responsibility as congress to ensure that there is oversight, to ensure that this president is being audited properly and that he actually has filed his taxes, paid his fair share and that he has not had conflicts of interest and that he has not benefited from the tax law that he just passed. >> what do you make of the administration stonewalling? can they do this forever? >> i can't believe we're at this level. for four decades presidents, both democrat and republican, have voluntarily released their tax returns. they've done it because they know that the american people want to know. so for this president to be the only one that has not done that is so -- so much of an offense to the american people that it
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just calls for our oversight. we need to make sure that there is checks and balances to what he's doing. after all, he is the most powerful person in this nation. he is the one person that has the ability to sign federal laws and he has the entire control over a branch of government. so we need to make sure he's held accountable. >> so obviously the administration is going to pass the deadline, i believe it's a third deadline that's been set so far. what's a plan b for you all? >> well, if he doesn't comply with this deadline, then the house counsel asks the speaker for a vote to go to court. and then we go straight to court. we lay the groundwork for future court actions as well. after all, we still have a court action on whether this president is complying with section 6103 of the tax law which says that
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our chair, richard neal, of the ways and means committee shall get the tax returns of the president -- not may, but shall -- from the irs. >> you realize as we're talking about all these investigations and about the president's taxes, it is not among the top five issues for many, many voters. this new congress has been there some five months now. what have you guys done for the american people that's important to them? >> actually, our main concentration is on the issues that the american people care about. in fact, we just passed a bill to preserve the ability for people to get health insurance despite preexisting conditions. and in this upcoming week, we are going to pass bills that will reduce the price of prescription drugs. >> okay. >> we have passed laws to make sure that our gun laws are stronger, that we have universal background checks so that we
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don't have this terrible violence that is going on in this country day after day. and we've passed laws to stop the corruption that is going on in this government. >> congresswoman n t, in the meantime, one last question about the president's taxes. specifically you heard me talk about new york state taxes and them trying to get his new york state taxes. what do you make of this round? will it be successful? are you backing it? >> i'm actually encouraged by this. i do think the new york state returns will reveal quite a bit because there is federal information that is on there. now, it does not have the audit information that we seek. nonetheless, it will provide a very valuable glimpse into this president's tax returns. and i think it will be a very great step forward. >> interesting fight ahead. congresswoman judy chu, thank you very much for being here.
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several countries vowing to boycott georgia after its boycott bill. how the boycott could hurt the state's bottom line. how the boycott could hurt the state's bottom line.
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georgia's governor signed bill effectively banning abortion after fooiive to six ws of pregnancy. that's before most women even know they're pregnant. maybe you're thinking, i don't know a woman who would have an abortion. well, you know me. >> that was actress in tv soaps. that was a monologue in her show. georgia is just a number of growing states pushing abortion restrictions. because of the many films and tv shows that are shot there, including the blockbuster "black panthers." now they're starting a boycott. it does appear as if this could potentially have a huge impact on the $60 billion industry in that state alone. >> so, kendis, it's true, and i
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think we're all waiting to see what happens here, but right now we're seeing a smaller scale boycott with individual actors, individual filmmakers. we're going to find out soon whether this snowballs into something the studios get involved in. but for right now actresses like alyssa milano who is filming a netflix show is saying she will do what she can to make sure production is elsewhere. we have the director of "the wire" saying he's no longer taking his production company to shoot? geor -- shoot in georgia. whether or not they get involved, they're weighing the economic impact for them. another way this boycott is taking shape is with j.j. abrams and jordan peele. they are shooting an hbo show in georgia and they're saying they're still going to go through with that, but what they're going to do is donate their episodic fees to places
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like the aclu who are fighting these in the courts. >> how does this kind of compare to the kind of boycotts north carolina experienced with its bathroom bill over the handling of lgbt rights? >> what we saw with north carolina, you had bruce springsteen saying -- he actually pulled out of a concert he was supposed to do in north carolina. netflix, they moved their production to south carolina. and i think there are a few things that are different here. one thing is that there is so much more at stake economically. studios have invested so much into the infrastructure in georgia. just in the last fiscal year alone, they poured $2.7 billion in direct spending into georgia's economy. they get a 30% tax credit. it's cheaper on a cost of living front to shoot in georgia than it is to shoot in new york or l.a. so i don't think it's a super simple decision for the studios to decide whether they just pull the plug here. i think they're weighing the economic impact. but at the same time, i think a lot of liberal voices in
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hollywood are looking at this bill and saying, this could actually trigger a challenge to roe v. wade, so they're weighing that bigger picture against the economic impact, and we'll have to see whether or not they prioritize, you know, their potential earnings here or their principles. >> could be costly for those film companies and the state of georgia in the same point. our thanks to you. in a video that's gone viral, georgia democratic state senator georgia jurden, highlighted her own personal experience. take a look. >> for the first time, this state will make georgia women criminals -- criminals -- for seeking basic reproductive care. any woman who suffers a miscarriage could be subject to scrutiny regarding whether or not she intentionally acted to cause that miscarriage. i have lost seven pregnancies in varying points of time before 20 weeks and one after five months.
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her name was juliet. my experience wasn't about abortion. but it is what's at stake here. >> joining me right now is georgia state senator jen jurden. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i do want you to weigh in first about the hollywood ban. it employs tens of thousands of people right there in your state, a $60 billion industry, as we mentioned. will it have an impact on this legislation? >> look, i think that hollywood doesn't need to pull out. what hollywood needs to do is they need to stay here and they need to help us with this fight. they have, they've invested millions and millions of dollars in terms of infrastructure here, in terms of building various studios and kind of growing the industry here. and like the reporter said, it's over $2 billion alone that, you know, has resulted in good revenue and good jobs to the
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state of georgia. and so when we have a law like this that's going to hurt all people, all georgians here, and specifically women, we don't need them to leave, we need them to stay here, partner with us, fight this law and make sure that women can reclaim their rights in this state. >> what made you decide to share your story? >> so i decided to share the story because i think when we were listening in the chamber that day, the fight had kind of really gotten down to the same pro-choice versus pro-life type arguments. and it didn't really feel like people understood what was really at stake. because what we're really talking about are the privacy rights of women, the rights of women to make decisions with respect to their body, the autonomy of women. and, look, i don't know any woman who ever has dealt with a significant reproductive health question or issue who has taken it lightly.
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and the whole idea that women can't be trusted with the most sacred of decisions with respect to their own bodies and their families is just ridiculous. and so that's why it was important to talk about it differently and not just talk about it in terms of abortion. >> in the meantime, as you know, some of the supporters of the law say it's alarmist to raise some of the points that you did in your descent. what do you say to them? >> i say don't pass a law that's alarmist. really, this is an incredibly dangerous law when you're talking about the criminal prosecution of women with respect to reproductive health or the prosecution of physicians with them studying medicine, and everyone in the state of georgia needs to understand what the people in the gold dome did to them, because if they don't agree with it, they need to run, and they need to elect other
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people that respect their values and constitutional rights of women in this state. >> as you know, georgia is not alone in all of this. just this week, chaos erupted in the senate over exemptions for rape and incest in a bill that effectively bans abortions at any stage. do you get a sense that this is setting up for supreme court battle? >> absolutely. look, this is a national effort and a national trendme. all of these bills were actually modelled after the same one and just kind of changed specifically in terms of the various states. this is an effort to get the supreme court of the united states to take this effort up. and as recently as 2016, they refused to do so with respect to indiana's fetal heartbeat bill. so it's one of those things that i think kind of some of the radical interests on the right think this is the time because you've got the two trump picks on the supreme court, you've got justice gorsuch and justice kavanaugh, and i think they see an opening.
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but the problem is, is that what they're doing is so bad and so far beyond kind of any kind of rational way to approach constitutional law or kind of the constitutional rights of people, i think we'll see the supreme court is not going to take them up and we'll see a reaffirmation of roe at the end of the day. >> senator jen jordan, we appreciate you being here. >> thank you very much. a new bombshell report hitting the president against his former white house counsel. why don mcgahn refused to say president trump didn't obstruct justice. dn't obstruct justice. the doctor's office might mejust for a shot.o but why go back there
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and good afternoon, everyone. i'm kendis gibson at msnbc headquarters in new york. did the president obstruct justice? asking a key witness in the mueller report to clear the president's name. why don mcgahn said no and what democrats plan to do about it. plus speculation swirling around a possible presidential run for stacey abrams. but will the former georgia dpuber dpu gubernatorial candidate jump into a group of candidates? what she told about her hopes and dreams for the future. how trump's trade war on china is impacting americans. we begin with the showdown
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of the executive branch. the stage is now set for a knock-down, drag-out fight. the president is putting up roadblocks to stop don mcgahn from testifying on capitol hill. new reports of don mcgahn denying multiple requests from the president to issue public denials on obstruction of justice claims. at the same time, the white house is blocking congress from testifying. >> we have talked for a period of time about a constitutional crisis. we are now in a constitutional crisis. >> i disagree with chairman nadler because the administration has decided they are not going to honor their oath of office. >> well, joining me right now is investigative journalist craig unger. he is the author of the really interesting book?
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house of trump houts house of p and laura baron lopez. laura, i want to start with you and mcgahn. what are the chances of him actually testifying? >> it's hard to say right now. the house democrats have been focusing on trying to get mueller to testify first. there was that may 15 deadline. it wasn't a deadline, it was more of a marker, and we expect that to come and go. there is also talk from chairman nadler of holding some of these officials in contempt. not mueller, but whether it's -- they've already voted on barr but potentially mcgahn if they aren't able to get him to testify, so there is a chance they may bundle those contempt votes on the floor in the coming month. >> in the meantime, craig, as you know, mcgahn was heavily cited in the mueller report more than any other person as far as the obstruction of justice investigation does go. what specific questions should
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there be for mcgahn? >> well, i think the crucial question is the democrats are looking for a john dean moment. if you go back to watergate when john dean, who was nixon's lawyer, turned against the president and testified and said there was a cancer upon the presidency, that really was a turning point in watergate. the democrats are going to look for that with mcgahn as well. >> based on your reporting, what would you want to ask him? >> i think we even know the answers. it's in the mueller report and the key question is did the president try to obstruct justice by getting him to fire mueller? and that is in the mueller report. but it's very, very different to have him testify to that on national tv, and that could be a very explosive moment if he does honor the subpoena. >> yeah. danny, in the meantime, the house committee chair adam schiff is floating an extreme method to force the white house to comply with congressional
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subpoenas. what do you have to say? >> it's far more practical to consider levying individual fines on the person, not on the office, until they comply. you could fine someone $25,000 a day until they comply. if there is going to be this across-the-board stonewalling, we'll have to consider effective remedies. >> how effective would that be? >> the concept is civil contempt where you hold somebody either in prison or you can fine them each day until they comply with a court order. really it is limited to jailing them in the capitol and that hasn't been done in 80 years, so i think he's talking going to court. it can be very, very effective in grand jury investigations. i've seen it happen many times where the judge says to the witness, i'm not talking. the judge says, fine, you're going to jail. but the key to the jailhouse door is in your pocket. the minute you want to testify, you testify. >> we had jerry nadler earlier in the week saying we're in a
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constitutional crisis. are we in a constitutional crisis? >> i'm not ready to say that yet. these are very interesting issues. i think congress has brought authority to compel testimony and documents, and courts are very reluctant to interfere with the exercise of that authority. but i think that until we're at a point where there is outright or in a courtroom and there is abject refusal to comply with congress we're in a constitutional crisis. >> laura, weigh in on what dan just said. it may not feel like a constitutional crisis, but out there on capitol hill, i imagine it feels like war. >> the atmosphere on capitol hill is different. there has been a noticeable shift and a number of committee chairmen are really mad. that's how the congressman of maryland described it to me. they're pretty upset with the amount of stonewalling coming out of the administration. the number of vulnerable democrats, the democrats in
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battling districts, they're not ready to say it's a constitutional crisis yet, either, and that may be partially because they're worried about the challenges they are going to face from republicans come 2020. >> craig, in the meantime, we're going to switch gears a little bit here. the president's son, as you know, the senate intel committee shunned the republican party by subpoenaing don jr. how would this play out? >> well, there are two different stories, of course, and donald jr. says he believes his father didn't know anything about the june meeting in trump tower. but michael cohen's testimony directly contradicts that. so it would be nice to get to the bottom of that, and i think this is a very, very serious question in terms of national security. we know that the russians assaulted our sovereignty by interfering with the elections. we know that donald trump welcomed it. exactly how far did he welcome it, and now that we have another election coming up in a little over a year, it will be really
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good to know that to see if trump is allowing that to happen all over again. >> my colleague rachel maddow, dan, brought up a good point. you had so many people who have gone to jail for lying to congress. they didn't get a second shot to go back and to go to congress and tell them their next case. why are they asking don jr. to come back if there was some discrepancies, perhaps. >> the most obvious reason is he didn't speak to mueller, so they want on record in a public way what his version of the facts could be. he could take the fifth, of course, and we may never get it. it is not uncommon to give witnesses a second chance if they're going to come clean. i don't know what happened with those witnesses that pled guilty, but it is common to give him a second chance. >> would you tell him to go to
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congress and serve the subpoena? >> he has a choice of going to congress. anything else would be unadvised. >> i think the best route for them is to stonewall at all costs. we could see elements of all of this going to the court which is where democrats expect it to head. i don't expect don jr. to be coming to the hill any time soon. >> craig, we talked just after the mueller report, the redacted one, was released. are you surprised that don jr. wasn't mentioned more in it? what stood out to you? >> i am a little. it wasn't just him but jared kushner. we do know there are other cases out there and we don't know the disposition of them. so, i mean, that's a real question. when you look at the mueller report, it's helpful to remember mueller had two mandates. one was criminal prosecution, but the other was counterintelligence and national security, and that was all sent over to the fbi.
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and we really don't know how that's been disposed of. >> we'll leave it there, craig unger, daniela lonzo and laura lopez. thanks to all of you. they say their businesses may not survive another round of tariffs from china. we'll go to the heartland to see how they plan to cope. plus fire on the freeway. police pursue a dangerous suspect. we'll tell you how this ended after the break. suspect. we'll tell you how this ended after the break. your tossing and turning isn't restlessness, it's gas! gas-x relieves pressure, bloating and discomfort... fast! so we can all sleep easier tonight. you have 4.3 minutes this time,to yourself.rn. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts. these days we're all stressed. i hear you, sister.
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all right, welcome back. let's get to today's roundup. a major sign of escalating tensions. the u.s. sent an aircraft carrier to the middle east in response to what they say is an iranian threat. u.s. video showed flight operations on the abraham lincoln in the mediterranean sea. the aircraft carrier is a flagship sent to patrol the gulf region. they dismissed the deployment as old news. a high-speed chase in los angeles. >> shots fired, shots fired. he's shooting at officers. >> this is on a freeway in l.a. the gunman there in a prius, mind you, leaning out of the window and shooting at officers. the suspect was wanted in a deadly robbery. the driver and passenger were eventually caught and are being treated at a hospital for their injuries. no officers were injured, but what a scene there even by los
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angeles standards. president trump could be reinventing the national fourth of july celebration. the "washington post" reporting that he's moving it from the usual location on the national mall to be closer to the potomac river. the event could include an address from the president itself. there are many critics that are concerned that traditionally non-partisan celebrations could turn into another version of a trump campaign rally. and benverksnido. the debate will be at the center downtown in miami. candidates will take part on may 26 and 27. they have to collect at least 65,000 on line donations. they have a lot of work to do. you can catch that on nbc and also on nbc and telemundo.
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vladimir putin hitting the red carpet. while he's taking a victory lap -- whoa -- at an annual ice hockey game with nhl players, he took a tumble on the ice. this was after he scored eight goals. no idea how he was so successful. ovechkin was a little jealous. he didn't notice a red carpet that was laid out there on the edge of the ice rink and then, boom. face plant right there. see? that's going to leave a mark on someone else. moving on to another high stakes round of international negotiations between the united states and china. talk about a big nothing burger. another round is over, kaput, finished. the u.s. increased tariffs on nearly all chinese imports. msnbc's vaughn hilliard showed us how it will most likely impact americans. >> reporter: playing out between two economies, hitting hard this
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morning. >> okay, are we going to be able to buy the same amount with what we have budgeted for groceries? >> reporter: the president imposes massive tariffs on nearly 6,000 everyday household products. >> reporter: are you concerned? >> hell, yes. who wouldn't be. >> what control do we have? >> reporter: americans are facing higher prices on everything but fruit, vegetables to shampoo. big ticket items like televisions and cell phones. >> i don't like charging my customers more when they come in. >> reporter: a hardware store owner in st. louis. >> they're the biggest importer that we sell here. >> reporter: china is. >> yes. >> reporte >> reporter: donald trump tweeting, tariffs on china will make our country stronger, not
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weaker. but kevin hartman is a fifth generation soybean farmer in waterloo, illinois. >> i think trump was trying to do the right thing, but prices keep dropping. corn dropped 20 cents in the last week, beans dropped 20 cents. >> reporter: last year hartman struggled to break even. now this latest tariff with a negative outlook on what would be the next generation of farmers. >> i would like to keep it going but we need to fix the drop in prices before they get even lower. >> reporter: the u.s.-chaina trade war now 14 months old, taking a toll on americans. now trump is raising tariffs on even more goods. between china and u.s. officials, we should have a clearer picture in the weeks ahead of what those ramifications will be for the american public. kendis? >> the negotiators are on the way back to china. joining us now, molly
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cooper, congressional reporter and author of the book "branding of america." a lot of people who are being impacted the most by these tariffs are trump's base. >> right. >> what's the game plan here? >> farmers rule america. you're right on that. >> will it stick? >> there are two sides to this. it's just not a simple answer. first of all, i agree with trump putting pressure on china and not giving in. for a long time a practice of stealing intellectual properties have been ongoing so we have to deal with it. if we thought dealing with china was going to be easy and it was going to be one or two meetings and that's all she wrote and it's done, not so fast. we knew this was never going to be an easy negotiation. it's still not over, but they have no choice, both the united states and china are going to be negotiating something. it's just going to take a while. as you know, the markets have
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been up and down. there is a lot of volatility in the markets, especially with the futures market with soybeans and corn -- >> it's the worst week for the dow. >> yeah. are people going to be feeling the pain with this? of course they're going to feel the pain. the question is how long and the complete deal of this is really unknown. >> let's talk about the pain, because according to one industry source, the tariffs will cost the average american family of four an extra $767 a year. molly, how does the administration defend that cost being felt by everyday people? >> that's a good question, how does it defend it? and it's actually having a very difficult time defending it to members of the republican party up on capitol hill, the senators who are going to the president and saying, hey, you need to do something about this because this is hitting us at home. our voters are not going to be
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supporting us if farmers keep losing the farm. and that's what's happening. in addition to which i think you saw something kind of interesting this week in the house of representatives when the house passed -- it might seem unrelated but it is related -- they passed a $19.1 billion essentially supplemental appropriations bill, a funding bill, to help individuals and farmers in the midwest, you know, who have been dealing with disasters. well, that's over the objections of president trump who did not want this to happen. 34 republicans wanted that measure. when you have 20 republicans in the senate who are up for reelection, they're defending 20 seats in 2020, nine of those individuals represent states where -- that are getting hard hit by these tariffs, farmers and whatnot, the president has a really tough line to walk when it comes to moving forward with these harsh tariffs.
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>> i want noelle to pick up on that. it just doesn't make sense to me. obviously farm bankruptcies are up. they had a massive flooding problem. why would the president not back that particular measure? >> that's an interesting point, i don't know. i don't know. but there is -- the bigger picture is dealing with china and dealing with the overall bad that they have been doing to the united states. you've got -- there's so many -- kendis, there's so many different sides to this. you've got people, even chuck schumer is like, we need to keep holding china's feet to the fire. this is not without pain, it's not without ramifications, and we've got to get even obama admitted, every politician admitted that we've got a problem with the way china is dealing with the united states. it's not fair, the practices are not fair. >> molly, in the meantime, as you know, the administration says our trade relations with china remained strong. is that all posturing or tough talk? >> i think it's a little bit of both. you know, keep in mind -- and
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this is what my understanding is. so the tariffs went into effect on friday, but really, that's on goods that are shipped out from china. those goods that are shipped out now, new products, shipped out as of friday. so i guess there is about a two-week window that the chinese and the americans have to really work and negotiate whatever they can negotiate in that time. so we may not feel the impact immediately, but it seems like both sides are taking tough stances, and as a student of history, one thing about china, the chinese are very patient people. the government is patient. and they know that president trump is up for reelection come 2020, and they are targeting -- the chinese are targeting industries where trump really did well, the states where he did well, the red states like farmers, agriculture, sort of rust belt workers who work in mills and whatnot.
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and so how -- like i said, how the administration navigates this, especially when they're hearing pushback from capitol hill, members of their own party. let me just add one more bit of information. the president wants to pass this north american trade agreement, you know, this big new nafta. republican senators basically said to him, we're not passing that until this situation with china is worked out, until these tariffs are worked out. you're not going to get the support in the senate that you need to approve this new -- you know, the new nafta. so, really, the administration is working hard to come up with a solution that will be amenable to everyone, but it's true, democrats and republicans have both been critical of china, but the tariffs may just be hitting people too hard at home. $765, i think that's the number you quoted. that's a lot of money for people. >> absolutely. it is bringing a little bit of bipartisanship there on capitol hill.
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>> cannexactly. >> noelle is going to be sticking with us. molly, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. trying to break through. kirstjen gillibrand is a long way down in the polls but there's still time. we'll talk about her plan to catch up. plan to catch up woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. vo: humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions,
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less than 1%. that's what new york state's senator kirsten gillibrand is pulling in in new hampshire. but with nine months and eight debates until the first vote is cast, there is still plenty of time for her to claw her way out of that krercellar. shaquille brewster is in new hampshire. what is the chance of her bringing out her campaign? >> reporter: she is pounding the pavement to as many voters as possible. she has some work to do. you showed her getting support of less than 1% of voters here in the crucial state of new hampshire, and right now she's really dismissing those polls. she said it's a function of name recognition, especially when you have candidates like vice president joe biden, bernie sanders who won new hampshire in 2016 or even elizabeth warren
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who represents a bordering state. but she's out here. this is her sixth visit to new hampshire and she gave a commencement address at new england college earlier today. listen to how she conducted the rationale of her campaign to the graduates she was speaking to. >> at too many points in our history, too many people have been unwilling to stand up to the powerful and fight what's right. it's on all of us in every generation to resist that complacency and reach out for something better. >> reporter: and she did get a standing ovation from some in that audience. i just want to emphasize here in new hampshire, these are voters who are used to seeing presidential candidates. they want to be able to go and answer -- or ask questions of the candidates and see how they act under pressure. that's why senator gillibrand is in a town of about 3,000 people right now, and that's why there are other candidates here,
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canned lats li candidates like beto o'rourke. a lot of people hoping to get their questions answered by these candidates. >> do you get a sense that there is somebody gaining momentum that we're not quite aware about? >> reporter: i spoke to a democratic operative yesterday, someone who is familiar with the state and the inner workings of the politics behind the state, and this person mentioned to me that cory booker, his campaign is doing the right things on the ground in terms of organizing, hiring the right people, getting people mobilized and going to the different places and having interaction with voters. when i talk to voters, they say they're shopping around at this point. there is no rush to settle on a candidate. they have plenty of time. there is not even that first debate. that's why senator gillibrand thinks she has a chance. once they get to hear her policies and agenda, she thinks
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she can win them over. kendis? >> shaquille, thanks to you. state senator of texas, wendy davis. there are so many candidates in the field right now, but joe biden doesn't think that will translate to a long primary. listen to what he said. >> what's going to happen is this field is going to be weeded out pretty quickly. in order to get any delegates in the congressional district, we need 15% of a vote, 15% of the caucus. it's going to work its way through relatively quickly for all of us. >> is there any credence to what he's saying? >> i think what he's counting on, obviously, is the strong opening that he had, the fact that voters in that monmouth poll you just were discussing demonstrated that two-thirds of primary voters in that state put more important than a candidate's alignment with them on issues the candidate's ability to beat donald trump. and that's how joe biden came
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out of the gate, promising that he was going to be the person who did that and putting a pretty convincing case forward. and i think that's why we're seeing people like senator kamala harris now also kind of turning her campaign message in that direction. she had a really strong showing when she took on trump by taking on his attorney general in that hearing a week or so ago with a video that went viral of her doing that. and i think these candidates, to distinguish themselves, are really starting to go in that direction, understanding for them that's the strongest case to make with voters. >> you're the republican strategist here. pro-trump superpac announced six battleground states they'll be pumping money into. notably on the list is the state of georgia as a battleground state. missing on the list is wisconsin. >> yeah. >> what's the logic here? what's going on? >> you know, that was interesting that it was missing,
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but that's not to say that there are other superpacs that are operating. there could be a special super pac in the state of wisconsin that's a republican state super pac that's pumping money into that, which means they don't really have to per se put a lot of money into that. look, they have been raising so much money. they have been doing fundraisers at mar-a-lago, they've been doing fundraisers in montana and florida and everywhere, so they are really filling the coffers here. >> do you feel georgia is a problem for republicans next year? >> it depends on who the nominee is going to be. it depends on the issues at hand. we can guesstimate what it's going to be, but all of it depends on the number one issue at the time the voters go to the polls and who the nominee is on the d side to see how that's going to shake out. >> and wendy, as you know, rudy giuliani was just being rudy giuliani this week. he had planned to visit ukraine, seeking to push a campaign that
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involved his son, now he's changing his tune. >> cheryl, i decided not to go to the ukraine. >> you're not going to go. >> i'm not going to go because i think i'm walking into a group of people that are enemies of the president. >> wendy, while the trip may have been canceled, does the fact that it was ever happening prove the trump camp really doesn't want to square off against the former vice president? >> i really think the interesting thing about what giuliani was proposing to do, number one, it did demonstrate that they're concerned about biden and i think legitimately so. but number two, he should say thank you to democrats. he's blaming them today for the fact that he canceled that trip. he should say thank you. because as adam schiff and others have pointed out, this would basically be a second instance of the trump campaign conspiring with a foreign government to in some way play a role in an upcoming presidential
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campaign. and the message for them was terrible. so i think he made a wise decision by cancelling that trip. >> yeah, the messaging did not look good for rudy giuliani or the trump campaign this week. with that, i want to get your reaction, both of the you, to a new opinion piece in the "washington post." a female president is coming soon, just not in 2020. it continues, conventional wisdom in my inner circle of sorc sorcerers and sources has been that the first necessafemale pr will be a republican. >> there are so many enthusiasts who love nikki haley. m remember, nikki haley got out of her position unscathed. there was no scandal. she left with trump basically
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saying in a press conference, she's done fantastic work. she really left on a high note. she's going into the private sector. a lot of people really, really like her. she's got a good back story. i guess what the article says to me is they're prepping her up for the next run when he's out. >> wendy, i imagine you disagree and think the next female president might come next year? >> i definitely think the next female president might come next year. and you know, with we look back at 2016, the record number of votes that a female candidate at the top of the ticket received, i think a female on our ticket going into 2020 will be a very strong runner against trump. >> all right. our thanks to noelle nick fore and wendy davis. i had to google alfred e. newman, the kid from mad.
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north korea launched two missiles in the last week. those missiles don't necessarily violate promises to the u.s. but they do break some promises made to south korean leader. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, kendis, and you're right that president trump and the south korean leader downplaying them. the first a week ago, and then on thursday, kim jong-un himself directed the second salvo. president trump in an interview with politico was asked if he was angry or frustrated by the launch of the missiles, and he said, no. no. i'm not at all. they're short range and i don't consider that a breach of trust at all. though he did add at some point, i may, so hedging his bets a little bit there. but he said, no, these were
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short-range missiles of very standard stuff, very standard. but he's also said in the past nobody is happy about the missile launches and he's also said that north korea is clearly not ready to negotiate. so, look, this is not progress. these missiles clearly were a sign of real frustration by kim jong-un. and he was sending a message. the timing was deliberate when the u.s. special envoy steven vagan was here in south korea, and the type of weapons used were short-range missiles,en medium, not long-range, so something that would not provoke president trump too much. but this was diplomacy by missile. it is a threat, but the u.s. is making clear the door to talks remains open. >> yeah, but those talks have not happened since the last summit in vietnam. bill neely joining us from seoul, south korea south korea. bill, thank you. joining me is gord an chang, the author of "nuclear showdown:
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north korea takes on the world." what is your response action to response to north korea? >> while they were short-range stuff, we have to remember they were ballistic missiles, and firing them was against official rules. we have to be very concerned. of course, this is starting a new cycle of escalation. the kim family has historically used violence to upset status quos it finds to be unacceptable. i think the response from president trump should have been much more severe, because we should stop this cycle in the early stage. >> i do want to ask you this, gordon, because there are many military experts who are saying the missiles at north korea launch looked eerily similar to missiles that russia has deploid in syria. what do you make of that? >> some people say it's the
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russian escondor, but also it could very well be chinese in origin. we know the first missiles that north korea launched solid field missiles in august of 2016 and twice in 2017, solid fuel missiles. they looked to be launched from jl-1 missile. this latest one could be russian, could be chinese, but we need to have open conversation not only in private but publicly asking the chinese and russians, where did the north koreans get a solid fuel missile? because the least likely explanation is they developed it on their own. >> the least likely explanation. and more troubling explanations is it's another country. earlier today you tweeted, memo to the president: north korea is developing this standard stuff to target american bases in south korea.
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but this is at play here. what did you mean? >> what i meant was testing is helping them develop precision, and we have a lot of indications that recently they've been able to substantially increase their accuracy of their missiles. so, yes, these missiles can't hit seattle, but no, they still are a threat. and we've got to be concerned about this, because this shows if north korea feels there is room and latitude to do more provocative stuff, they will certainly do that. so the best thing to do is to stop this at an early stage. >> you know, just about a year ago, they were planning the summit in singapore. a year has gone by and now he's -- kim jong-un is getting welcomed there in russia. he had a rock star appearance in vietnam. you do get a sense of the president and these negotiations have really elevated this dictator. >> oh, well, certainly. the thing that kim jong-un wanted most from the june summit
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in singapore was the photos. these photos sort of showed people in north korea that kim jong-un was equal to the president of the united states. so it bolstered his position in the regime which might have been a little bit shaky. from democracies, we don't understand how symbolism is so important to the leaders of hard line states like north korea. >> you get a sense that the north korean tactics are becoming more sophisticated. what should the u.s. do? >> the u.s. should do what made us successful through the middle of last year, and that is to cut off the flow of money to north korea. the president let up on sanctions a year ago in order to create this environment that kim would feel secure enough to give up his weapons. it clearly has not worked, so we should go back to cutting off money, and by that i mean going after the banks, the chinese banks, the russian banks that are facilitating all of these
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as usual, not everyone was in attendance. specifically red sox players of color and manager, puerto rican. he opted to skip the event in opposition to the trump administration's response. >> the government -- we still have a long ways to go and i put it in capital letters. this is our reality. the reality is this. i'm the guy that has lived it, the guy down there in the off-season. i understand how it is, you know? i just don't feel right going while people are struggling in my hoenchme. >> the president's complicated history with athletes signalling a clear racial and ethnic divide that's too impossible to ignore. joining me right now, and i should mention martinez was the only person of color there at the white house.
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and a little of what dave ortiz said, he mentioned that when it comes down to the way immigrants have been treated, it's something that goes a long way. you don't want to go and shake hands with a guy who's treating immigrants like -- because i'm an immigrant. so clearly, ortiz, as you know, has a way with words and backs the protests around many of these players of color. >> right. >> what do you make of that? >> i think the thing here is that we live in a time era where the white house is so politicized, it's important we actually take stock of this. the president has been one of the prominent white supremacists in our country the last few years since being elected. when he does this, uses whiteness, he attacks different groups of colors, be it brown or black, players will speak out. we shouldn't be aggrieved when they do. what's happened with the boston red sox, this should not be
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abnormal or seen as that way. >> completely get away with that. are you calling the president a white supremacist? >> uh-huh. >> what's the basis for that? >> the basis, the president endorsed these groups, the president used hate in a way, as far as people not like his person. the president is endorsing a type of racism we haven't seen really since jacksons and other presidents of the same tilt. >> you went back to president jackson. were you living then? >> no. >> leave it there. and the warriors eagles got their invitation rescinded and certain others not invited at all. just get rid of the song and dance at the white house completely? with these championship teams? >> it's been going on since 1866. andrew johnson. so we're talking about quite a history. tell you something. the boston red sox went ahead and still did this with their
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white team is to the shame of the boston red sox. basically he showed up with the jim crow notification for a photo op with someone else ailes also call a white supremacist president trump. and not just division between black and white and immigrant or native born, the startling and disturbing lack of allyship of the white play ownerses they team. not only black and brown teammates, with their manager. wouldn't even show the most basic solidarity with the teammates makes this now the latest chapter in the 20r cherred history of the reference of race in baseball, race in sports in the boston area. this is to the shame of the red sox. especially because they have an ownership that has pledged to try to confront that history yet here they shied away from that history. >> do you think this will cause a rift in the clubhouse there? >> how can it not cause a gist scott kennedy, team president
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said no divisions in the clushouclu clubhouse. a huge circuit of the team says we don't care what happened to the manager's home down in puerto rico or what our own teammates, mookie betts, don't care why they're offended we'll keep going. the boston red sox already having a disappointing start to the season hard to see how it doesn't reverberate. >> leave it there. harsh words for the president. not sure he has much to back it up, but leave it there. appreciate the president's history, andrew jackson and andrew johnson. thank you both. >> don't come for me. >> all right. coming up in the next hour here on msnbc, all the presidents lies. going through the week that was in trump's untruths. discover. hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social
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well that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." back tomorrow at 2:00 up.m. eastern. the news continues right now with my colleague richard lui. >> hey, kendis. have a very, very good afternoon, and all of you, thanks for staying with us this hour on msnbc. i'm richard lui at headquarters in new york city. the battle between the white house and congress intensifying amid new revelations about the tough administration pressuring former white house counsel don mcgahn to say the president did not obstruct justice.
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