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dr. steven gundry, thank you very much. our last story to tell you for the morning, the state of pennsylvania has filed a lawsuit against purdue pharma claiming the oxycontin maker fueled the state's opioid epidemic through an aggressive marketing campaign that targeted the elderly and military veterans while downplaying the drug's addictive qualities. the suit adds to more than 1,600 claims against purdue. the drugmaker has vigorously denied the claims against it. and speaking of that important health news, know your value is taking a hard look at the topic of addiction and how it disproportionately affects women. that conversation is happening right now at knowyourvolume.com. check it out. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. mika, hi, there. i'm stephanie ruhle. we've got a lot to cover this morning. and our team of extraordinary nbc reporters is here with brand-new information on the
most important stories of the day that you need to know about, starting with donald trump jr., striking a deal with the republican-led senate intelligence committee, now agreeing to testify under oath next month about his knowledge of the trump moscow project. and the border battle suiting up again. new reporting that the tsa plans to send hundreds of agents, including air marshals, to the southwest border to help with the immigration crisis. and breaking news overnight, alabama lawmakers have passed the nation's most restrictive abortion law. the draconian bill now just one signature away from essentially outlawing abortion across the state. >> this is a gut-wrenching that i think the state of alabama has done women in this state a bad deal. >> we've got to get straight to kerry sanders in alabama, where the most restrictive abortion ban in the country is zbruft one step closer to becoming law. kerry, give me an update.
this is step one. what's next? >> the bill that passed right in the building behind me overnight now goes to the governor's office here. governor kate ivey, a republican, has not publicly commented on whether she's going to sign this bill but all expectations are that she will. the bill is the most restrictive in the country because there is no exception for rape or incest, and it criminalizes abortion. a doctor who performs an abortion in the state of alabama would face up to 99 years in prison. the bill was written by state rep collins specifically so it could make its way to the state supreme court for a challenge. this is what she said last night when i talked about it. is this bill designed in any way to go to the supreme court? how is it designed to anticipate -- >> it's designed in every way to
digest fat. that's why we were trying to keep it just as it was, to address the issue that roe versus wade was decided on, which is that baby in the womb a person. in alabama law, it's a person. >> all right, kerry, thank you so much. you hear that right there, that is the goal to get to the supreme court. i will be speaking to presidential contender and senator kirsten gillibrand who said it is time to fight like hell against this and other bills like it. she's going to be with me life about how she is fighting this. she will be with me at the bottom of the hour. and nbc news has learned tsa workers are now being asked to help with border security after the number of migrants trying to enter the u.s. rose again in the month of april. more than 109,000 people were picked up or turned away at the border last month. that is the highest number we have seen in over a decade. courtney kube covers national security and joins me next. we know the numbers are up.
they're sending these tsa workers. what exactly are they going to be doing? >> this is really similar to deployment of u.s. military, in this case civilians, to the border several months ago. we saw about 200 people who were lawyers, attorneys, immigration specialists and whatnot. in this case a tsa official tells our colleague julia ainsley that in fact there will be some lawyers, immigration specialists, and also will be people to help with meal preparation, wellness checks. but much like the u.s. military, who continue to deploy to the border, they will not be in direct contact with the migrants along the border, stephanie. >> and nbc news learned donald trump jr. will now be testifying before a senate committee despite complaints from the president and his allies they didn't want this to happen. reporter john allen wrote about this and peter alexander is at the white house. jonathan, here's what surprises me, i thought this was not going to happen. the president didn't want it. sources close to don jr. said no
we. what happened here? >> good morning, stephanie. i think what happened here is basically donald trump jr. decided it was in his interest to come and talk to the senate. i spoke to a source close to him yesterday. their version of the story was he was ready to defy the senate and ultimately got an agreement to come in and limit the scope of the topics he would talk about, five, six topics he would limit the amount of time to two to four hours. but in reality there's nothing that would stop democratic senators from asking him whatever they want to ask him about. and there's nothing that would stop donald trump jr. from basically taking the fifth at any point or getting up and leaving. the real question with all of that being the case and backdrop, why would he make an agreement to come in and talk to the committee, and the answer is he decided it was better for him to do that than not do it. perhaps even if he invokes the fifth at some point, better to appear to be prpiarticipating t
not participating. >> he decided or doesn't have a choice, we know the white house is stonewalling every subpoena and ever request. is the difference don jr. is the private citizen so there's no executive privilege? >> you make a good point, he pushed back on the subpoena calling it unfair but donald trump as you know is not a government employee. unlike the president exerting executive privilege claims over the unredacted mueller report, effort to stop former white house counsel don mcgahn testifying. here, that would not apply. still, i think like father, like son, we have routinely heard from the president the strategy of complaining saying no, no, no, before ultimately agreeing to a moderate compromise where he can insist he's being cooperative and transparent. still the president said he was fully transparent with regard to the russia investigation. they turned over dozens of witnesses and tons of documents. but at the end of the day on that one he only answered written questions and didn't sit down with robert mueller himself. >> jonathan, give me an update
on sort of the investigation nation. now the intelligence committee is investigating trump's lawyers. why is that? >> sure, stephanie, the house intelligence committee run by congressman adam schiff, i'm sure viewers are familiar with, is now looking at a series of lawyers who basically have a joint defense agreement for some of these defendants including people or who have been investigating including president donald trump and donald trump jr. what adam schiff is looking at is the extent to which they may have helped shape michael cohen's testimony. cohen, of course, guilty of providing false testimony to congress. >> peter, any word from the white house on this latest investigation? i'm guessing they don't like it. >> yeah, you can imagine they don't like it. we've reached out to the white house. have not heard any public comment on that. i think if it gets under the president's skin if he hears this likely on one of his favorite news sources across the street at fox news, we may hear from him. >> peter, we could be one of his favorite news sources. he could be watching. keep an eye on twitter.
thank you both so much. let's go overseas where worries about threats from iran have now prompted new warnings for americans working in iraq. the state department ordering their people to go home. our chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins me now. richard, walk me through this. was there something specific that triggered this? we know things are getting more tense but to say get out of the country, that's big. >> well, it's not just the state department. last night centcom, which controls all american forces in the middle east region and beyond a bit, told forces until iraq and in syria to be on high alert saying that there was a specific, quote, credible threat that iran -- or an iran proxy could try to launch an attack on u.s. troops in iraq and syria. and there are about 2,000 u.s. trips in syria, more than that in iraq. and that is a direct statement and quite a bold one to come out
in a written statement from centcom. and then this morning the state department followed up saying, nonemergency u.s. government personnel at the embassy in baghdad and consulate in erbil have been ordered to leave. they didn't give a reason but it comes in the same context. to answer your initial question, no specific intelligence has been given. just discussions have a credible threat that iran or these proxies that are continually mentioned could try to do something. but there are many, particularly here in europe, many american allies who are skeptical a hard-liners in the administration, hard-liners in the middle east, iran, uae, saudi arabia among them, that are trolling for a war, that are searching for a provocation. in fact, a british major general on camera said that there is no increased threat from iran
proxies to coalition forces and american forces in the middle east at the moment. so that's quite a bold contradiction. >> i know we've gotten a lot of emails from military moms saying, what? yesterday you and i talked about these reports that the white house was thinking of sending 120,000 troops to the middle east, and the president was asked about it yesterday. and here's what he said -- >> i think it's fake news, okay. now, would i do that? absolutely, but we have not planned for that. hopefully we're not going to have to plan for that. if we did that, we would send a hell of a lot more troops than that. >> let's not get cute about fake news when it comes to sending troops. you looked into this. how real is it? >> so according to several people at nbc news who have been looking into this, including at the pentagon, there was a meeting, contingency plans were drawn up. among those contingency plans for dealing with iran, should iran advance its nuclear program
or iran carry out through a proxy or otherwise attacks on american forces, there are contingency plans to respond. if those contingency plans had been updated, the most extreme would envision mobilizing about 120,000 troops to the middle east, using some troops that are already there, sending some additional ones. u.s. officials say that is a plan, that is on the table. no steps have been taken to implement that plan but that it's not fake news but something that they are not actively carrying out at the moment. but the fact they're talking about it frankly, the fact it was initially reported i would say leaked to "the new york times," several officials have confirmed it to us as well, then you have these statements from centcom, then you have the statement this morning about the withdrawal of personnel from the diplomatic facilities, it shows that there is a camp in this administration that is -- that is pushing very hard on an
anti-iran agenda and stirring up a lot of tension. the question is, there are hard-liners in iran as well. they're not an innocent party by any means. will they take this ball and run with it? >> richard, let's leave it there. if that wasn't enough news this morning, i'm going to take you to capitol hill where a ton of congressional hearings they've got to get to today covering at least a dozen topics. i will give you the big one. less than one hour from now the head of the cia gina has kill testifies at a classified hearing on global threats. treasury secretary mnuchin testifying on the budget but will most likely also be asked about the trade war with china. and the heads of the faa and ntsb are testifying on the boeing 737 max and a hearing focusing on white supremacist. ways and means committee busy looking at climate change and judiciary committee focusing on the except of executive privilege. and assessing whether sanctions
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welcome back, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning we are learning more about the deal struck between donald trump jr. and the republican-led senate intelligence committee. the president's son now agreeing to answer questions behind closed doors, but those questions can only be about five or six subjects. and now separately the president's personal lawyers are caught in different crossfire. the house intel committee investigating whether lawyers tied to the president tried to obstruct the mueller investigation by helping his former fixer michael cohen lie
to congress. now, let me remind you, back in february michael cohen told congress that attorneys had helped him edit his 2017 testimony about a trump real estate project in moscow. former federal prosecutor kershner breaks all of this down in a brilliant new piece and he joins us now. you were in the courtroom yesterday. first let's remind the audience, donald trump said he knew a little bit tank intelligencely about maybe a trump tower moscow deal, maybe michael cohen mentioned it. meanwhile michael cohen said he discussed in detail this project with don jr. and ivanka. so not democrats but republicans on the senate intel committee, richard burr, hey don jr., come down, we need to discuss it. the president said no way jose, don jr. said no way jose, and
now that's changed. >> it has changed. one thing that troubles me is it looks like they're going to let don jr. set the terms of the scope of the congressional oversight. which what witness gets served with a congressional subpoena and then gets the set of terms of his own interview? >> i'll tell you what witness, the witness who's the son of the sitting president when the committee is led by republicans and he's a republican in the white house. >> yeah, and that's why this smells even more like a continued cover-up, not like a legitimate effort to really dig in to what this administration has been doing. when i heard this is more of a private interview with the senators and topics will be limited, and the time frame will be limited, i mean that's not the kind of treatment that we accord witnesses who are supposed to give information so congress can fulfill it's oversight responsibilities. we have to stay tuned and see how this plays out. >> then are you saying that don jr. has been given the grace to
control the narrative here, and in doing so, this will help the president's narrative to case closed, nothing to see here. look, my son showed up, there was nothing. >> i think that's how they're trying to play it. but these folks like miscalculations. let me talk about the flip side of playing it this way, he might say i fully cooperated with the house, i testified, i came back for a closed-door session, but you know what -- not with the house but with the senate. if he testifies to the senate, then there's no principled reason he should also not testify to the house and we know the house is engaged in all sorts of oversight efforts right now. let's see what happens after he gives this sort of sham interview to the senate committee. he will have to comply, i would suggest, with the house when he's subpoenaed there. >> i want to talk about the president's lawyers. they're under investigation. the intel committee chair adam
schiff spoke about this last night. i want to share it. >> if there were others that were participating in that act of obstruction of justice, if there were others knowing of that false statement, participated in drafting that false statement, we need to know about it. we need to expose it, and we need to deter other people from coming from our committee and lying. >> the president's lawyers argue this is potential breach of attorney/client privilege, even though they were not michael cohen's attorneys. but i want to play devil's advocate for a moment, isn't this the reason to have advice for a lawyer so they can help you prepare statements like this? >> yes, and it's to keep you from getting in trouble, not urge you to lie. and you put your finger right on it, steph. these weren't don jr.'s lawyers. so they can't -- there's not some roaming privilege -- >> michael cohen's lawyers you mean. >> excuse me, michael cohen's lawyers. there is not some privilege if you're a lawyer and tell
somebody to do something or give advice, it's privileged. you have to be in an attorney/client relationship. moreover, you cannot urge somebody to testify p untruthfully. so i think they are on two different fronts trying to use the attorney/client relationship as a privilege. >> take me inside the courtroom i'm so very interested in, a federal judge yesterday weighed in on congress's subpoena of the president's financial records and whether his accounting firm that had been with him for years must comply with providing this information. what exactly happened in there? >> this was a real interesting hearing yesterday, steph. the judge, judge matia, really took the president's task on every argument he tried to make. the president's lawyer, william kons voi, tried to argue congress has no right to
investigate a president who may have committed crimes by violating statutes. or may have run afoul of the emolument clause. or may have been engaged in conflicts of interest by supporting legislation or forwarding executive orders that resulted in a financial gain to the president, and that every single turn, the judge took down his arguments. it really had the air, steph, as judge matia as a learned and law professor schooling and tooling the president's lawyer who came across as a c, c-minus law student. i couldn't help but feel much as i felt when i watched judge emmet sullivan take general flynn to task. i felt like the state of the judiciary is strong, and once the congress can get these
matters before judges, judges will not endure nor endorse a runaway administration or a criminal president. they are really going to be governed by the rule of law, regardless of whether they were appointed by republican presidents or democratic presidents. i think the judiciary will do the job that we expect them to do. >> but give me timing, because it may have been a takedown but a takedown without a knockout. is congress going to be getting these financial records or not? >> i believe they are. and judge matia said, look, i am not going to sort of recklessly issue an opinion today, but this is on an expedited track because the courts have instructed that when you have two branches of government that are at odds and one seems to be preventing the other from doing its constitutional duty, these matters must be expedited. >> then i've got to mark my calendar. give me a time line. >> i fully expect an opinion
from judge matia in one week and then the question will be, how quickly can it go from the d.c. circuit appellate court to the supreme court? i'm suspecting it's going to be on an expedited track and hopefully we get all of this resolved inside of a month or six weeks. >> expedited track, if congress has its way, not so much if the president keeps getting to run the clock. glenn kirschner, thank you very much. you can read more on his nbc news piece "think." it is outstanding. coming up -- blasting lawmakers in alabama for passing the nation's most restrictive abortion bill calling it unconstitutional. well, presidential candidate and kirsten gillibrand launching a new campaign to battle restrictive abortion bills in state legislatures across the nation. she will tell us about the first phase of that battle next in a live interview. you want to see this. see this (woman) when you take align,
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it. if she does, it would become the strictest abortion law in the country. there were no surprise with immediate backlash, especially from 2020 democratic contenders. beto o'rouke called it a radical attack. elizabeth warren assured voters we will fight this and we will win. bernie sanders called on the governor to veto the bill. and our next guest says it is time to fight like hell. she will begin that fight at a round table in georgia tomorrow, a state that passed its own abortion law last week, banning abortion at six weeks of pregnancy. new york senator and presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand joins me now. senator, what is your immediate reaction to the bill, and what is your plan to do something about it? >> well, this is an outrage. it's nothing short of an attack on women's basic human rights and civil rights, and it's something women in america will have to fight against with everything they've got. >> you can hold these discussions or these roundtables, but what specific action can you take? and who will be at the
roundtable? because president trump was somewhat wishy-washy about abortion for years. and when he was running for president and he realized being anti-abortion was a winning position for him, he went full blown. so when you sit down with those people at a roundtable, who are they? they're actually a lot of people in this country who support this bill. >> i'm sitting down with women in georgia to talk about their views, they're values, their faith and what they care about. the truth is we need to lift up their voices. we need to lift up the voices of women and family across america who see civil rights and human rights being taken away from him. being decided by legislators and who know nothing about their lives, their health and their ability. i'm telling you, this is something that is so harmful to women's ability to get basic, safe access to legal abortion. and it's something women may need in their life actually protect.
>> is there any chance you believe of convincing ott governor of alabama to veto this like bernie sanders has suggested? we know all of this anti-abortion push, the ultimate goal is to get to the supreme court steps to potentially overturn roe versus wade. is there any convincing or are you doing anything to try to convince the alabama governor, who is a woman, to think about this as a women's health issue? >> it is a women's health issue. the alabama law is the most severe law that's been passed to date. in fact, it will put a doctor in jail for 99 years for meeting the needs of aa woman's health. it criminalizes abortion even in instances of incest and rape. and it will basically make it impossible for william to seek the reproductive care that they need when they need it. this is not something the american people support. 70% of americans want safe,
legal abortion to be available to women when they need it. they believe in women's civil rights and human rights and they believe that those health care decisions, those most intimate and difficult health care decisions, should be made by a woman, her family, and her doctor. >> last week you said if you were named president of the united states, any judge you would look to appoint to the supreme court would be one who would want to uphold roe versus wade. you said that last week. given what we've seen this week, specifically in alabama, has that become even more important to you? >> it's more important and more urgent. we used to believe in precedent in this country. but under president trump, he's trying to upend the entire court system, appointing radical judges, like gorsic and kavanaugh, justices who intend to overturn a decided precedent that the united states and people of this country support. they want these intimate health care decisions, life-and-death
decisions, stephanie, to be made by the women who are most impacted. if you look at oirks of maternal mortality in this country, we have the highest maternal mortality rate in any industrialized country. if you're a black woman, you're likely to die during childbirth, because of ichbs constitutional racism, is four times higher. in some cities like new york city, 12 times higher. >> maternal mortality, just talking about it gives me the chills. i want to talk other 2020 news. montana governor steve bullock entered the race with his big platform saying he's a blue guy who's won in a red state. this pushed the idea the center will dominate the election. if that is the case, how do you plan to compete with more moderate candidates? >> i have a very strong record and one that's different than everybody. not only did i win a 2-1 red house district twice, second time by 24 points, but i lever loss those county and in fact
earned higher thresholds since. i have the highest throat threshold in the history of new york state at 72%. that is higher than president obama earned or hillary clinton. and i just won back 18 of the counties that voted for trump in my last election. not only do i win red and purple but i am for bold, progressive ideas and i actually get things done. the last congress alone with the republican senate, i passed 18 bills. common sense things like money for rural broadband. ky pass big bills like don't ask, don't tell appeal at the rights of this country or standing up for our first responders when they needed a voice and someone to fight for them. so my record is really different because i do actually fight for the progressive values that are party shares, women's rights, gay rights, clean air, clean water, but i actually get things done on those areas. and i think that's unique to me. >> you made the argument with me before you plan to fight, if
elected, for the entire country, every american. recently elizabeth warren turned down an invitation to participate in a town hall on fox news. you're going to be holding one on the network 2 1/2 weeks from now. why did you accept, and what do you think of her response? >> my belief is that the president of the united states needs to represent everyone, and i'm going to ask every voter for their vote, regardless of where they live, whether they're in a red state or purple state or blue state. and i believe you need to meet voters where they are, and a lot of america happens to watch that network, so i would like to do a town hall so i can speak to all americans about their values, their views, their priorities and where i stand and what my vision for this country is and my experience to actually realize that vision, whether it's health care, whether it's education or jobs, i have a record of actually bringing people together and getting things done. >> senator gillibrand, thank you so much for joining me. and president trump, i think senator gillibrand just said you
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senator kirsten gillibrand, who according to the latest real clear politics average sits tied for 10th place in the democratic presidential primary. but with still nine months and eight debates until the iowa caucus, the 2020 democratic nomination is still anybody's game. joining me now to discuss former deputy assistant secretary of state phillipe rhinous and associated editor at commentary magazine and msnbc contributor noah rothman. he's also author of "unjust: social justice and the unmaking of america." in short, a democrat and a republican. so i turn to the democrat first, what is your reaction from what we just heard from senator gillibrand? >> on the red/blue stuff? it's interesting, obviously someone like steve bullock -- >> sorry, i want to get your reaction to, she's going strong against this bill in alabama. she said last week she would only appoint a supreme court justice that supports roe v. wade, and that clearly seems like it's making its way to the top of the next election.
>> sorry, you and i always have a slow start. obviously, that is going to be a huge issue. but the thing that strikes me is what republicans do really well is they take their social issues and they animate them. they did so in 2004 if you remember. george bush actually had a pretty hard re-election against john kerry and democrats felt pretty good about it. but the problem was there were a lot of gay marriage proposals on various state ballots and it was used to animate turnout. here you have the same issue, trump is trying to dumb down the entire party into killing babies and socialists. and this is another step there. as just a narrow actual matter, this is horrific. and i hope senator gillibrand and the others in the race -- i would go knock on governor yooiv's doyooi ivey's door and say what are you doing? from a political perspective, it is showing the old culture wars
are not going anywhere and republicans know how to use them so much better than we do and it's something to factor into next year. >> noah, will dumbing it down work, especially as it relates to abortion rights? we know personally the president was somewhat wishy-washy. yet when he was running and he realized going hard anti-abortion was a win for him in locking in the evangelical base, that's his true base. >> yes, rhetorically that does help but i have to disagree with phillipe i think this cuts in the direction of democrats, frankly. always when you have a new makeup of a court, you will get legislative challenges of the court to see what stands like star stair decisis. and even with liberals and majority in their terms, the court has been so reluctant to create that social discomfort that they basically rewrote obamacare to avoid overturning
the whole law. i highly doubt they would make such a shocking move. and because of that dynamic republicans are going to say this is the courts where democrats will say this is a legislative issue. we will let people commerce rit with our views so it will have an energizing effect on more democrats than republicans. >> phillipe, won't the president be unsuccessful on this strategy to dumb it down and go baby killer and socialist the more centrist candidates we have running? you mentioned it before, montana governor steve bullock jumped into the race, his whole game is saying i'm a blue guy in a red state. you have john hickenlooper, delaney and joe biden. as you have more and more in the center, that argument fades away. >> there's one thing donald trump is great doing and that is dumbing things down. so i wouldn't put anything past him. donald trump knows how to simplify things, whether it's no collusion, whether socialism,
whatever he is ranting about on a given day. in terms of the democratic primary, yes, you have people like we heard the senator touting her credentials in her state, even though people think new york is so blue, her district was in fact red and statewide, a lot of new york is red. like you said, you have john hickenlooper. the problem is these folks have an uphill battle whether it's hickenlooper or hill to have an uphill battle to get to the point to make their street cred that they have won in red or purple districts. donald trump is antsy. he can't just sit on his hands anymore and not attack a democrat. and that's why -- >> when was he sitting on his hands and not attacking a democrat? can you let me know what date that was? >> i assume at night he's medicated and when he's not tweeting he's sitting on his hands or they've got them tied down or something. >> there's absolutely no reporting that says the president is medicated in any way.
noah, let's talk about stacey abrams, john hickenlooper, beto o'rouke. we are hearing more and more people say i get it, the white house is a great-looking place, but how about running for senate? i spoke to someone from austin, texas, recently who said i love beto o'rouke, i wish he would have run in our state so we could have blue representation here. and remember president obama sat in the white house eight years while mitch mcconnell had a big seat and blocked him all day long. should democrats start to focus more on senate runs? >> yes, it's sort of a contradiction with the environment, right. if it feels like it favors democrats, you want to go for the gold. you might want to throw your hat in the ring for the presidency because why not? at this time in 2013 republicans suffered a lot of problems recruiting top talent for statewide races because a lot of people were focused on a bigger shot down the road. it turned out in 2014 it didn't really matter, the environment was so favorable to the gop they ended up taking the senate
anyway. democrats shouldn't maybe be so sad they're losing on top-tier talent in places like georgia and texas and a lot of other states because perhaps the environment favors the less-known name down the road. >> phillipe, what do you think? nobody can resist going for the gold if you have a chance to go to the white house? >> well, there's really very little downside in running for the president. worse thing that happens is you lose and go back to your day job. but there's something that bothers me, frankly, about this notion people shouldn't run for this, they should run for that. look at julian castro for example, a lot of people wanted former secretary castro to run for john cornyn's seat. they wanted beto to challenge cornyn and then they wanted castro and castro said no. there's a woman named m.j. hager, a wounded air force pilot. if you look at who won in 2018, i'm not sure the answer is let's get establishment candidates. but i would say you can do both.
any money you raise for a presidential campaign that you don't spend, you can turn that into a senate race. so if someone raises money between now and november or now and february and they lose, they can switch to a senate race. >> noah phillipe, thank you so much. you know, phillipe was up until 3:00 a.m. and still with us this morning. >> studying. >> i appreciate it. coming up, president trump's trade war. yes, it's a war with china, prompts this dire warning from one of america's largest banks. more tariffs will lead to a u.s. recession. that's from morgan stanley. next. surf's up. earn a fifty-dollar gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or.. badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake! pure protein. the best combination for every fitness routine.
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that's money, power, politics. speaker of the house nancy pelosi said to me top trade official r official. the escalating trade war with china is likely to be discussed. joining me now to go through this ron ensana and dan everhat. dan, you are a republican donor. you are a u.s. manufacturer and a guy who buys a whole lot of stuff from china. i must ask you, what do you think about what the president is doing? >> trump has diagnosed the
problem correctly. but what we really need is we need a tech transfer agreement and not an all-out trade. the re-election on this trade war. >> but the president wasn't the first to diagnose it. the president chose to tear it up. >> bad idea. and i think, listen, one could argue successfully as dan does. the problem is what the problem is. force transfer and a whole host of issues and had the u.s. joined the tpp, we would have isolated china in it own backyard, updated nafta automatically as part of that process and then if we joined with our allies and gone to the world trade organization where we win 90% to 95% of our complaints, we could have gotten china to change more effectively. >> updating nafta that's what it is. nafta 2.0. tell me what republicans are
saying. the president betting his presidency on this while morgan stanley said if these tariffs hold tight, we could face a premature recession. >> i think republicans are shaking in their boots because no precedent here and no playbook and, you know, maybe there's an exit strategy we don't know about. if you're a republican senator or republican congressman and you're looking at your 2020 run and you're running under trump, you have to be awful curious how this is going to end and play like. in some states that are heavy n inningi inningin agriculture and a lot of people in the rest of the country are going to be upset. we're talking about a $15 billion subsidy and i think a lot of people are worried about that and a lot of republican circles are very, very worried about what this means for the 2020 re-election. >> can you take me into a republican circle? who is telling the president this is a good idea? >> i think the people
immediately around him and some of these people think -- >> steve bannon. >> i hope not. but the isis a proxy war. this is a proxy war. the trade war is a proxy war for an actual war where we're trying to establish or maintain geopolitical dominance over china. and trump has chose to fight it off in the trade war context. >> steve bannon continues to make the case as do some others that china is an economic and military threat to the united states. by weakening them economically over the course of time, that won't happen. so, it's also a foreign policy issue and there was a senior administration official unnamed quoted by axios yesterday that suggested the trump administration is not close to a deal with china. this could go on until at least the end of the year, if not longer. "new york times" suggesting this might be a permanent rather than temporary strategy. it's an open-ended question as to where it goes from here. >> if they were close to a deal, the white house would be sending pregiddy or we're almost there
vibes. that's not what we're getting at all. switched from calling it a trade dispute to trade war. chip china has called this a trade dispute and we denied a bunch of their academics and research fellows visas to come to the u.s. something like a few hundred but their prominent, prominent professors. that is getting a lot of play in china as being the big, bad u.s. is insulting china and that's been getting a huge amount of play in china. >> the president called it a squabble yesterday. dan was just in china, they are calling it a war. thank you. we'll be right back with more. be right back with more
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